Hi,
Been listing all of Colin's great Union Mills locos. Colin has sent me his list of loco numbers, but doesn't have all the colours recorded.
Do you have Union Mills Dean Goods 2392 or 2414? Please share a photo of it.
Many thanks
Quote from: mark ellis on July 03, 2022, 01:26:55 PM
Hi,
Been listing all of Colin's great Union Mills locos. Colin has sent me his list of loco numbers, but doesn't have all the colours recorded.
Do you have Union Mills B12 number 61520. Please share a photo of it.
Do you have Union Mills Dean Goods 2386, 2392 or 2414? Please share a photo of it.
Many thanks
HI Mark. Here is the Dean Goods in Great Western Livery as out of the box although I don't know the reference number. I don't have a B12 I'm afraid.
(http://i.imgur.com/HtKamga.jpg) (https://imgur.com/HtKamga)
Regards
Graham
Quote from: Moria on July 03, 2022, 08:13:00 PM
HI Mark. Here is the Dean Goods in Great Western Livery as out of the box although I don't know the reference number. I don't have a B12 I'm afraid.
(http://i.imgur.com/HtKamga.jpg) (https://imgur.com/HtKamga)
Regards
Graham
Graham hi,
Thanks for the response, but it is locos 2386, 2392 and 2414 that I'd like to see photos of.
Many thanks
Mark
Did you try google?
It's found this photo of the B12 with some other UM locos in an auction lot
https://www.lot-art.com/auction-lots/Union-Mills-British-Outline-Steam-Locomotives-and-Tenders-two/30-union_mill-13.4.21-special (https://www.lot-art.com/auction-lots/Union-Mills-British-Outline-Steam-Locomotives-and-Tenders-two/30-union_mill-13.4.21-special)
Quote from: ntpntpntp on July 03, 2022, 09:31:30 PM
Did you try google?
It's found this photo of the B12 with some other UM locos in an auction lot
https://www.lot-art.com/auction-lots/Union-Mills-British-Outline-Steam-Locomotives-and-Tenders-two/30-union_mill-13.4.21-special (https://www.lot-art.com/auction-lots/Union-Mills-British-Outline-Steam-Locomotives-and-Tenders-two/30-union_mill-13.4.21-special)
Brilliant. Thanks for that. And yes, I did
List is getting smaller, only two locos to identify now
Do you have Union Mills Dean Goods 2392 or 2414? Please share a photo of it.
Thanks
Quote from: mark ellis on July 03, 2022, 01:26:55 PM
Hi,
Been listing all of Colin's great Union Mills locos. Colin has sent me his list of loco numbers, but doesn't have all the colours recorded.
I think a lot of people on this Forum would be interested in seeing a comprehensive list of Union Mills locos with numbers and liveries. Is it your intention to make the list available to others when complete?
Ian
I don't know if this will be of interest. As my model is based on the Carmarthen to Aberystwyth line in the 30s, I was disappointed that Colin chose to present 2516, which was shedded at Carmarthen, in BR black livery. He very kindly agreed to make a Great Western 2516 variant for me, which is here running through Pencader.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/123/3891-070722234014.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=123990)
Passing 2357
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/123/3891-070722234759.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=123991)
And in close-up
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/123/3891-070722234928.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=123992)
Quote from: icairns on July 05, 2022, 09:25:51 PM
I think a lot of people on this Forum would be interested in seeing a comprehensive list of Union Mills locos with numbers and liveries. Is it your intention to make the list available to others when complete?
Ian
Ian, yes - open to all
I run the unofficial Union Mills appreciation group on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2121268031438640 (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2121268031438640)
And have this signposting website to support the Facebook group. Websites being easier to display text documents than Facebook is these days.
https://sites.google.com/view/union-mills-model-railway/loco-information-sheets? (https://sites.google.com/view/union-mills-model-railway/loco-information-sheets?)
Quote from: LAandNQFan on July 07, 2022, 11:51:02 PM
I don't know if this will be of interest. As my model is based on the Carmarthen to Aberystwyth line in the 30s, I was disappointed that Colin chose to present 2516, which was shedded at Carmarthen, in BR black livery. He very kindly agreed to make a Great Western 2516 variant for me, which is here running through Pencader.
...
Thank for that.
Did he then sell a batch of 2516 in Great Western, or just put number 2516 on one Great Western for you?
Hi, @mark ellis (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1760) :
Thank you for your reply. Great news about developing a list of all of the Union Mills' locos produced to date!
I would love to see your list of Union Mills locos in a format like in Engee Publishing's "Spotter's Guide to British Locomotives" or Ramsay's "British Model Trains Catalogue".
These two publications typically list each loco manufactured in the following format:
- Catalogue number (unfortunately, Union Mills does not use catalogue numbers)
- Loco running number
- Company (LMS, LNER, BR, etc.)
- Livery
- Lined/unlined
- Early emblem or late crest (if BR)
- Years produced (again, not really applicable for Union Mills due to their batch production methods). Perhaps just a date showing when first produced.
Personally, due to the increased proliferation of fictitious liveries, I would also like to see fictitious liveries also clearly indicated. I know Union Mills have produced several non-prototypical liveries over the years. (Yes, I know I am asking for a lot!).
Unfortunately, the 2020 edition of the Spotter's Guide to British Locomotives has some errors and omissions regarding Union Mills (e.g., the Union Mills LNER J38 is not listed, and the LNER Q2 is listed as a Q6) and the last edition of Ramsay's British Model Trains Catalogue (the 9th edition) was published in 2015 and is now out of date. It is unlikely that this publication will ever be updated.
Hopefully, your endeavors will get us all up to date and correct as far as Union Mills locos are concerned!
Ian
P.S. I have applied to join the Union Mills Facebook group and am waiting for approval.
Quote from: icairns on July 10, 2022, 08:32:00 PM
Hi, @mark ellis (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1760) :
Thank you for your reply. Great news about developing a list of all of the Union Mills' locos produced to date!
Ian, if this site allowed us to post images directly then the list would have been on this thread.
It's on the identical thread in New Railway Modellers
https://www.newrailwaymodellers.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=57277 (https://www.newrailwaymodellers.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=57277)
Quote from: icairns on July 10, 2022, 08:32:00 PM
Hi, @mark ellis (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1760) Personally, due to the increased proliferation of fictitious liveries, I would also like to see fictitious liveries also clearly indicated. I know Union Mills have produced several non-prototypical liveries over the years. (Yes, I know I am asking for a lot!).
Ian
how do you mean?
Quote from: mark ellis on July 10, 2022, 10:48:20 PM
Ian, if this site allowed us to post images directly then the list would have been on this thread.
Hi, @mark ellis (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1760). Another Mark here.
You can add images directly to the thread with the function that is above the typing window.
Add image to post and upload to gallery
You can also add a PDF via the function below the typing window
Attachments and other options
Best regards,
Mark
Just curious as to why I get a house for sale here in Wollongong NSW when I click that link? :hmmm:
Quote from: Platy767 on July 11, 2022, 06:48:44 AM
Quote from: mark ellis on July 10, 2022, 10:48:20 PM
Ian, if this site allowed us to post images directly then the list would have been on this thread.
Hi, @mark ellis (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1760). Another Mark here.
You can add images directly to the thread with the function that is above the typing window.
Add image to post and upload to gallery
You can also add a PDF via the function below the typing window
Attachments and other options
Best regards,
Mark
(//)
Nope, just the url
and with regards to attachments - error message
"You cannot upload that type of file. The only allowed extensions are pdf,."
Been like it for all the years that I've been a member
Quote from: Bealman on July 11, 2022, 07:56:27 AM
Just curious as to why I get a house for sale here in Wollongong NSW when I click that link? :hmmm:
The joys of the tinternet
Which link is that?
Post #11
Quote from: Bealman on July 11, 2022, 08:24:54 AM
Post #11
Works fine for me.
Go to New Railway Modellers . co . uk / Forums /
Search for
Wanted - photos of Union Mills Dean Goods 2392, 2414 please
which is
viewtopic . php?f=16&t=57277
@mark ellis (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1760)
I have your 3 .jpg files from the other forum. Would you like me to try and put them in this thread, just to see if the "Add image to post and upload to gallery" functions?
Mark
@mark ellis (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1760) - What a fantastic list! This must be the most comprehensive list of Union Mills locos ever produced. It deserves a wider distribution.
Quote from: mark ellis on July 10, 2022, 10:48:20 PM
Ian, if this site allowed us to post images directly then the list would have been on this thread.
It's on the identical thread in New Railway Modellershttps://www.newrailwaymodellers.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=57277 (https://www.newrailwaymodellers.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=57277)
Rather than posting photos/images, you can
attach a pdf file directly to a NGF post. I think a lot of people would like to have it in this format. Just click on the link below the posting box that says: "Attachments and Other Options". You should be able to attach a pdf file.
Quote from: mark ellis on July 10, 2022, 11:02:42 PM
Quote from: icairns on July 10, 2022, 08:32:00 PM
Hi, @mark ellis (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1760) Personally, due to the increased proliferation of fictitious liveries, I would also like to see fictitious liveries also clearly indicated. I know Union Mills have produced several non-prototypical liveries over the years. (Yes, I know I am asking for a lot!).
Ian
how do you mean?
A fictitious livery is a livery that is produced on a model even though the prototype never carried that livery. For example, looking at the list of Union Mills' models, I am pretty sure that a J39 was never painted in LNER green. Also, I doubt that a J39 ever carried BR green with "British Railways" on the tender, although I stand to be corrected.
Changing manufacturers, Rapido have recently announced that their Class 28 Metrovick Co-Bo will be available in Railway Technical Centre red/blue livery. Again, this is a what-might-have-been livery.
Changing scales, in OO KR models have released, or are planning to release, the GT3 (which only ever ran in chocolate brown) in LMS and BR black, BR green and BR blue with full yellow ends!
These liveries are sometimes described as non-prototypical, what-might-have-been, never ran in, and even neverwazas!
Some preserved locos have been painted in liveries that they never carried in revenue service. For example, LMS 2-6-4T No. 42085 has been painted in Caledonian Railway blue and several manufacturers have issued their models in this livery. Because locos exist in these liveries, I do not consider examples like this to be "fictitious" liveries.
I do not have a problem with manufacturers issuing models in liveries never carried by the prototypes as these liveries are usually colourful and appear to be very popular. They provide additional income for the manufacturer that can be invested in future models. I just think that the liveries of these models should be indicated as fictitious or non-prototypical (just as models are often marked "weathered", for example) so that the consumer knows what he or she is buying.
Thanks again for producing a very informative list of Union Mills' locos.
Ian
Quote from: mark ellis on July 11, 2022, 08:20:53 AM
...and with regards to attachments - error message
"You cannot upload that type of file. The only allowed extensions are pdf,."
Been like it for all the years that I've been a member
That's because you're trying to use the wrong method. "Attachments" is for pdf files. Use "Add image to post and upload to gallery", right above the post text editor. It's always been there :)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/5885-030319161632.jpeg)
There's a whole thread on how to upload photos.
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=33436.msg385800#msg385800 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=33436.msg385800#msg385800)
Quote from: Platy767 on July 11, 2022, 10:10:47 AM
@mark ellis (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1760)
I have your 3 .jpg files from the other forum. Would you like me to try and put them in this thread, just to see if the "Add image to post and upload to gallery" functions?
Mark
Thanks for the offer.
I just want photos of 2392 and 2414 before I do any more publicising of the list
Quote from: icairns on July 11, 2022, 03:08:46 PM
A fictitious livery is a livery that is produced on a model even though the prototype never carried that livery. For example, looking at the list of Union Mills' models, I am pretty sure that a J39 was never painted in LNER green. Also, I doubt that a J39 ever carried BR green with "British Railways" on the tender, although I stand to be corrected.
...
Thanks again for producing a very informative list of Union Mills' locos.
Ian
Ian, I've learnt the hard way never to say never about anything. And we know that books are sometimes composed of what the author thinks rather than fact.
I know that Colin does great research on his models, as shown on his loco sheets. The colours might not be 100%, but I'd rather have a UM than some modern over detailed plastic BacFar or Dapol that can't pull its own weight and would be better on the shelf ;)
Quote from: ntpntpntp on July 11, 2022, 03:45:36 PM
Quote from: mark ellis on July 11, 2022, 08:20:53 AM
...and with regards to attachments - error message
"You cannot upload that type of file. The only allowed extensions are pdf,."
Been like it for all the years that I've been a member
That's because you're trying to use the wrong method. "Attachments" is for pdf files. Use "Add image to post and upload to gallery", right above the post text editor. It's always been there :)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/5885-030319161632.jpeg)
There's a whole thread on how to upload photos.
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=33436.msg385800#msg385800 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=33436.msg385800#msg385800)
Thanks, I see the text now. Learnt something today :D
So used to clicking in the Add photo icon like other groups - compared to looking for text above the text box
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/124/1760-110722165210.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=124098)
@mark ellis (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1760) Yeah I agree it is non-standard compared to other forum sites, but once you know.... :)
Quote from: icairns on July 10, 2022, 08:32:00 PM
@mark ellis (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1760) :
I would love to see your list of Union Mills locos in a format like in Engee Publishing's "Spotter's Guide to British Locomotives" or Ramsay's "British Model Trains Catalogue".
These two publications typically list each loco manufactured in the following format:
...
- Early emblem or late crest (if BR)
...
Ian,
Having spent 20 minutes modifying the spreadsheet - I am reliably informed that UM only use Early totem crest on his locos.
So just need to see photos of Dean 2392 and 2414 to finish the sheet
Quote from: ntpntpntp on July 11, 2022, 05:13:45 PM
@mark ellis (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1760) Yeah I agree it is non-standard compared to other forum sites, but once you know.... :)
---you quickly forget--as i have ( again )
Quote from: LAandNQFan on July 07, 2022, 11:51:02 PM
I don't know if this will be of interest. As my model is based on the Carmarthen to Aberystwyth line in the 30s, I was disappointed that Colin chose to present 2516, which was shedded at Carmarthen, in BR black livery. He very kindly agreed to make a Great Western 2516 variant for me, which is here running through Pencader.
...
I'm hoping that you won't mind my sharing this photo on the Facebook group. What name do I accredit the loco to?
No credit is really due to David Stewart. Colin did the work!