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Just spent the morning watching the Beeb screening the 'Trooping of the Colour' along with the flypast. Just glorious :claphappy:
Pomp, precision and pride in spades.
I dare say I won't be saying the same thing about the upcoming concert with so called 'stars' and 'celebs' :no:

Why did they fire a 86 gun salute? What is significant about 86?

Quote from: Malc on June 02, 2022, 03:37:20 PM
Why did they fire a 86 gun salute? What is significant about 86?

I can only find references to an 82 gun salute in Hyde Park and a 124 gun salute at the Tower of London.

https://www.nationalworld.com/news/uk/what-time-82-gun-salute-today-royal-event-explained-gun-salutes-uk-3718406 (https://www.nationalworld.com/news/uk/what-time-82-gun-salute-today-royal-event-explained-gun-salutes-uk-3718406)

QuoteA basic gun salute is 21 rounds, which are fired at 10-second intervals.

In Hyde Park an extra 20 are fired because it is a Royal Park.

At the Tower of London, they fire a 62-gun salute because it is classified as a Royal Fortress.

The extra 21 rounds are added for the City of London as a mark of British citizens' loyalty to the crown.

Given it is theQueen's official birthday and the Platinum Jubilee of the Queen's coronation, the number of shots will be doubled on 2 June.

So, there will be an 82 gun salute in Hyde Park and 124 volleys coming from the Tower of London.

Correct it was an 82 gun salute. 86 refers to Her Majesty receiving an 86 guns salute to celebrate her birthday in 2012.

I also watched this morning, but I'm afraid I was not as impressed as @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264).

mind you, my advancing years may be affecting my recollections, but I seem to remember trooping the colour as having battalions, not companies, which really looked more like a couple of platoons.

it may also have been the camera angles, but if not, then I would suggest that RSM Britten would have had a few [choice] words to deliver [at full volume] re the standard of drill and dressing.

mind you, lets be honest smart arms drill was lost when the army got the 'johnnie seven' gun  :-[

ok, this will be construed as political, but over the decades politicians have cut our armed forces savagely, while expecting them to do more [I will not mention illegal wars] so I think the actual boots on the ground did, as always, us and HM proud.

how they managed to achieve such a high standard in such a short time, with all their other commitments demonstrates why our forces are the envy of most countries.

I would also suggest, that it might be nice if the BBC commentator actually looked at what the cameraman was filming during the flypast, as far as I know the P-8 Poseidon Maritime Patrol aircraft is not actually a four turbo propped tactical transport, and the Rivet is not a wide body four jet transport either.

but of course the BBC is having to make cuts, as we know.

so, as always, our forces have done us, and Her Majesty, proud, but I'm afraid a shadow of what this country was once able to produce.

coffee maker - yes
coffee pods - yes
jaffa cakes - yes
cushion - yes [well, those steps are hard on an old  :hmmm: like me.

@Redcap244 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=10040)
I have to admit there were several wavy 'straight' lines, Alan, and the commentary did state there were many first timers, both human and equine.
I was going to watch the prog about the beacons tonight but it starts at 8pm and, AFAIK, no beacons will be lit until 9.45pm so it's probably just a rehash of today for about an hour and a half.

My today's royal entertainment was seeing the naming online on Facebook's Severn Valley Railway page of 34027 Taw Valley as purple no 70 Elizabeth II at Kidderminster https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-61673192 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-61673192)

Anyone on here get a knighthood ? :)

I put it on a different thread, but the Lancaster flew low down over my house on its way to the fly-past.

Awesome-sight and sound.

Martyn

Quote from: joe cassidy on June 03, 2022, 11:35:36 AM
Anyone on here get a knighthood ? :)

No, but I've got a hoody I can wear in bed if I choose, does that count?

I am one of many MBE's on the forum.

(Member of the British Ex-patriots).  :)

Quote from: dannyboy on June 03, 2022, 03:17:03 PM
I am one of many MBE's on the forum.

(Member of the British Ex-patriots).  :)

Let me guess, you used to carry a briefcase with a gold leaf OHMS on it...Only Holds My Sandwiches.

Jon

Quote from: joe cassidy on June 03, 2022, 11:35:36 AM
Anyone on here get a knighthood ? :)

'Oop north we just call 'em nightcaps :cold:

Just an aside on the Trooping. My late father-in-law attended the rehearsals for the Trooping in an official capacity. He noted at the time that her Majesty always had a well-read copy of the Sporting Life with her at 4.30am when the rehearsal took place.

Watched the replay of the concert outside the palace last night. Ok, except I was peeved that the final act was American.  :thumbsdown:

The real stars of the show were the people who designed, installed and operated the lighting displays.

Quote from: Bealman on June 06, 2022, 01:23:21 AM
Watched the replay of the concert outside the palace last night. Ok, except I was peeved that the final act was American.  :thumbsdown:

I didn't watch that bit as it was full of has-beens and wannabees. I didn't watch the service either.
But I hugely enjoyed the pageant yesterday afternoon despite the 'celebs'

The best celeb had tea with the Queen!  ;D

I enjoyed all that I saw. A wonderful Jubilee.  I spent last week at Cub Camp, and we had games and a party for the Jubilee celebration.  The Cubs certainly enjoyed waving their Union flags and wearing their bowler hats!  :D

Quote from: Newportnobby on June 06, 2022, 09:47:41 AM

Quote from: Bealman on June 06, 2022, 01:23:21 AM
Watched the replay of the concert outside the palace last night. Ok, except I was peeved that the final act was American.  :thumbsdown:

I didn't watch that bit as it was full of has-beens and wannabees. I didn't watch the service either.
But I hugely enjoyed the pageant yesterday afternoon despite the 'celebs'

some wonderful, BRITISH MADE buses, cars and bikes.

not likely to be repeated, as now we don't actually make anything.

remember when we had a british car industry
a british aircraft industry
a british ship building industry
and
a british military vehicle industry.

Nimrod, MR4, best world beating MP aircraft, nor only cancelled, but also scrapped to make sure it couldn't be revived. now we're buying yankee stuff, nowhere as good but no doubt some nice backhanders.

Quote from: Redcap244 on June 06, 2022, 01:18:21 PM
wonderful, BRITISH MADE buses, cars and bikes.

not likely to be repeated, as now we don't actually make anything.

Oh dear. Ye olde fart's mantra whilst wearing rose tinted spectacles. This is, admittedly, some 9-10 years old but watch and learn please

Are rose tinted glasses British made?

This has little to do with the Jubilee but please let's put a stop to these "we don't make anything" comments.

Quote from: Redcap244 on June 06, 2022, 01:18:21 PM
some wonderful, BRITISH MADE buses, cars and bikes.

not likely to be repeated, as now we don't actually make anything.

remember when we had a british car industry
a british aircraft industry
a british ship building industry
and
a british military vehicle industry.

Nimrod, MR4, best world beating MP aircraft, nor only cancelled, but also scrapped to make sure it couldn't be revived. now we're buying yankee stuff, nowhere as good but no doubt some nice backhanders.

We have lost the mass markets to other countries who did a better job for the same of less money. Given the choice of a Japanese car that started every time in the cold and wet against a British Leyland car that needed a hammer and can of WD40 is it any wonder?

However, lets not do British engineering a disservice - look in the high-end or high-tech sectors ad we still lead the way.

Whilst we don't have a mass market car manufacturer we do still lead the way in niche and top end motoring - even the likes of Ferrari rely on British engineers and engineering. Staying with four wheels you'll find the likes of JCB exporting millions of pounds worth of hardware each year.

British ship builders recently finished a couple of air-craft carriers and are busy working their way through the last two of a fleet of 7 Astute class submarines. When left to manage a simple car ferry we end up with the farce of the new Cal-Mac ferries.

Whilst we don't build whole aircraft in large numbers, there are plenty of Airbus' that would be missing wings whilst Rolls-Royce is the second largest jet engine manufacturer in the world. RR also dabble in nuclear reactors.

BAE Systems swallowed up most of the military vehicle manufactures. They're the largest defence contractor in Europe and doing quite well for themselves. Ukraine should soon be benefiting from BAE Systems hardware.

Nimrod MR4 was always a bodged job. Taking a 1960s airframe (itself based on a 1940s design) and attempting to fit it with new wings and interior is akin to expecting to be able to take a Morris Minor and expect it to meet today's standards for safety, emissions, reliability etc.

The biggest problem British industry has had is often being inward looking and rejecting developments from overseas. Those companies that kept up with innovation and changing markets. Sadly the majority failed and the British Isles isn't a big enough market to keep large industries going without exports.

Those that did are thriving. There's also more to manufacturing than just the tradition heavy industries. Just about every smart-phone on the market is dependent on a British designed micro-processor for example. Sometimes the ideas make more profit than selling the end product.

Steven B.

ok,
I give in....

bags I a Jackal, might get wet when it rains, but I could go where I want, and park where I want.....

sorry,
sound like most of britains motorists anyway.

I'm glad no-one mentioned British-made railway locomotives  :)

Going back to  the Jubilee celebrations, I'm a bit disappointed by the contributions from the "new kids on the block" in the Commonwealth, such as Cameroon and Rwanda ?

Quote from: Steven B on June 06, 2022, 03:16:37 PM
Are rose tinted glasses British made?

This has little to do with the Jubilee but please let's put a stop to these "we don't make anything" comments.

Whilst we don't build whole aircraft in large numbers, there are plenty of Airbus' that would be missing wings whilst Rolls-Royce is the second largest jet engine manufacturer in the world. RR also dabble in nuclear reactors.

BAE Systems swallowed up most of the military vehicle manufactures. They're the largest defence contractor in Europe and doing quite well for themselves. Ukraine should soon be benefiting from BAE Systems hardware.

Nimrod MR4 was always a bodged job. Taking a 1960s airframe (itself based on a 1940s design) and attempting to fit it with new wings and interior is akin to expecting to be able to take a Morris Minor and expect it to meet today's standards for safety, emissions, reliability etc.

For the vehicles:  Yes it is true Vickers/ROF Barnbow is history (the big tank factory near where I grew up), but over the weekend I passed (mutliple times, but that's another story) a BAe Systems military vehicle factory up the road in Elgin Oklahoma, of all places! A growing site: it was expanded a couple of years ago.  But why Elgin?  Because it is only a few miles from Fort Sill - a big US army base (big enough for artillery practice).

The Saturday trip up that way, my son and I went to a tiny air show at Chickasha (we had to get out of the house!). As an idea of size, virtually everything flying was a Pitts, but there was a Goshawk on static display (US made iirc, but British design - US Naval trainer based on the Hawk).  The only other jets were a T6 Texan II (turboprop) and a flying BD-5J (tail number 007, albeit a later production model not the one from the Bond movie).

An off topic oddity but the airshow included classic cars - and there was a Morgan 3-wheeler flying an RAF flag! Not exactly 'classic' as it was made in 2021  :)  Unless the rules have changed, no idea how they registered a vehicle like that in the US either.

Quote from: martyn on June 03, 2022, 11:42:38 AM
I put it on a different thread, but the Lancaster flew low down over my house on its way to the fly-past.

Awesome-sight and sound.

Martyn

John Teagle was on that. He said he threw his guts up!

Somebody really needs to take GBRf's crayons off 'em!

[spoiler]

But who is going to want one when either Dapol of GF get round to doing it in 3yrs time.

Quote from: RailGooner on June 08, 2022, 05:16:13 PM
Somebody really needs to take GBRf's crayons off 'em!

I prefer that to what's been done to the poor steam loco :(