A new batch of Dapol 33s promised by Q3/Q4 2022
DCC Ready priced at £123.25 (RRP £145) DCC Fitted at £148.75 (RRP £175) from most discounters.
I've listed the Rails site details as they have the best livery renditions (I think they are using Heljan previous releases in OO)
https://railsofsheffield.com/search?tags_availability_ovs8irlcu1it987sg6v9cr6a=Pre-Order&q=Dapol%20class%2033
My wallet is now empty!
I might have been tempted but the one I have is a right screecher ::)
Availability Qtr3 2022 sounds fine for just a relivery but I hope nothing else is being delayed for them. After all, there's still no news on a production slot for the long announced M7
33s... well that's my wallet empty then, given that they seem to be the base traction on both my layouts!
Quote from: Newportnobby on April 08, 2022, 06:54:30 PM
I might have been tempted but the one I have is a right screecher ::)
Same chassis as your new beloved 27. Tried oiling it?
Quote from: Newportnobby on April 08, 2022, 06:54:30 PM
I might have been tempted but the one I have is a right screecher ::)
Availability Qtr3 2022 sounds fine for just a relivery but I hope nothing else is being delayed for them. After all, there's still no news on a production slot for the long announced M7
I bought one at the Ally Pally show that had a real buzz, my heart sank.
Then I removed the bogies and discovered that one of the pickup was out of place. I gently relocated it and all is now fine.
Quote from: Bob G on April 08, 2022, 10:41:55 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on April 08, 2022, 06:54:30 PM
I might have been tempted but the one I have is a right screecher ::)
Same chassis as your new beloved 27. Tried oiling it?
The first 33 was sent back as it sounded like a banshee. This replacement is not a lot better.
The class 27 is silky smooth so they can do it when they want to!
I'm hoping they get the correct roof for the Green / Small Yellow Panel version this time. :hmmm:
@Bob G (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1517)
This was the replacement one..................
(https://live.staticflickr.com/31337/51992787010_38042ffd7a_m.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ndqCbf)2nd Dapol class 33 (https://flic.kr/p/2ndqCbf) by Mick Hollyoake (https://www.flickr.com/photos/182878845@N04/), on Flickr
Quote from: RichardBenn on April 09, 2022, 01:12:14 PM
I'm hoping they get the correct roof for the Green / Small Yellow Panel version this time. :hmmm:
You mean the one where you have to drill out the hole in the exhaust silencer? (because Dapol forgot to model it). :D
Bob
They've already got the correct roof on the plain green ones, but the previous batch of small yellow panel ones had the later roof whereas photographic evidence suggests that it should have had the earlier roof. Dapol are aware of this so hopefully they will get it right this time :)
Quote from: RichardBenn on April 09, 2022, 02:46:40 PM
They've already got the correct roof on the plain green ones, but the previous batch of small yellow panel ones had the later roof whereas photographic evidence suggests that it should have had the earlier roof. Dapol are aware of this so hopefully they will get it right this time :)
I agree that the basic design of the plain green Class 33 roof is correct but they still left off the exhaust port on the top right hand corner of the big square exhaust silencer (as you look towards the front of the loco). Just compare the Dapol roof with the correct Heljan roof.
I've taken my bodies off and drilled a 2mm plain hole where the exhaust should be.
Oh and I don't hold out much hope of them remembering that they got it wrong and correcting it for this run.
Bob
I'll be interested to see the actual livery specifications for the BR blue ones - specifically whether they've got the orange cantrail stripe or not. Vaguely regretting not buying the BR blue one (33 020) from the second run as my first two are superb runners, but then again two are enough. Really, they are.
Quote from: GScaleBruce on April 09, 2022, 06:07:45 PM
I'll be interested to see the actual livery specifications for the BR blue ones - specifically whether they've got the orange cantrail stripe or not. Vaguely regretting not buying the BR blue one (33 020) from the second run as my first two are superb runners, but then again two are enough. Really, they are.
I probably need help as I have five..........
Quote from: GScaleBruce on April 09, 2022, 06:07:45 PM
I'll be interested to see the actual livery specifications for the BR blue ones - specifically whether they've got the orange cantrail stripe or not. Vaguely regretting not buying the BR blue one (33 020) from the second run as my first two are superb runners, but then again two are enough. Really, they are.
Really? Are you a true southern modeller?
I have ten green ones in three livery variations and eight banger blue ones.
I'm wondering if I need to sell anything else, as my stock drawers are quite full.
Bob
I have an old 33/0 which was making an awful noise when I first ran it. In the end I got so fed up with it I was on the point of buying new bogies but decided to strip the bogies completely and investigate. Having very carefully pulled the bogies off and not damaging the power contacts, I then removed the clip and unhooked the bottom plate. Lots of gooey muck in there, and also on the worm gears. After VERY careful cleaning and removal of all this muck, and a very sparing oiling with plastic friendly lube it runs much more quietly, and is also much smoother in operation. I use a Zimo MX617N and have set it up for the speed table to get the best (for me) operation - it is now capable of a proper crawl at around 100mm in 70 ish seconds.
worth a try?
HTH
I've always said "every day's a learning day" where railways are concerned. Is the green D6580 authentic? I have never seen a photo of a green push/pull 33/1. Happy to be educated by any SR experts on here.
Hi Nev
It was the first 33/1 to be converted and wore this livery in 1965 (only).
All other 33/1s went straight to BR Blue with full yellow ends from 1966/67 when converted (retaining their same D65xx numbering until 1974).
HTH
Bob
hmmm
i was hoping for a general grey one...
fragonset is a really nice livery though
i will just wait for a sale or look at tings for a cheap one...
tim
Quote from: Bob G on April 10, 2022, 11:35:17 AM
Hi Nev
It was the first 33/1 to be converted and wore this livery in 1965 (only).
All other 33/1s went straight to BR Blue with full yellow ends from 1966/67 when converted (retaining their same D65xx numbering until 1974).
HTH
Bob
Thanks Bob,
I guess, given it's short duration, photos are as rare as the proverbial hens teeth?
Cheers,
Nev
Quote from: Nev S on April 10, 2022, 01:02:23 PM
Quote from: Bob G on April 10, 2022, 11:35:17 AM
Hi Nev
It was the first 33/1 to be converted and wore this livery in 1965 (only).
All other 33/1s went straight to BR Blue with full yellow ends from 1966/67 when converted (retaining their same D65xx numbering until 1974).
HTH
Bob
See here: http://www.class33crompton.co.uk/CromptonLivery.htm (http://www.class33crompton.co.uk/CromptonLivery.htm)
Bob
Thanks Bob,
I guess, given it's short duration, photos are as rare as the proverbial hens teeth?
Cheers,
Nev
See here: http://www.class33crompton.co.uk/CromptonLivery.htm (http://www.class33crompton.co.uk/CromptonLivery.htm)
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Thanks Bob. I consider myself educated. ;)
Quote from: Bob G on April 09, 2022, 11:09:41 PM
Quote from: GScaleBruce on April 09, 2022, 06:07:45 PM
I'll be interested to see the actual livery specifications for the BR blue ones - specifically whether they've got the orange cantrail stripe or not. Vaguely regretting not buying the BR blue one (33 020) from the second run as my first two are superb runners, but then again two are enough. Really, they are.
Really? Are you a true southern modeller?
Well, Southern
mostly as that's where I started my railway career, plus Eastern Region, as that's where I spent the majority of it! Stoneham Yard serves both Clapham Junction Yard and Peterborough Post Office Terminal (quite how is lost in the shifting sands of time). But given that my layout consists of four dead end sidings two class 33s might be considered enough!
What I'd really like is a class 09... which is a conversion I keep pondering... there are also four class 73s, if that's any consolation... and my (current) stock box is full...
Quote from: GScaleBruce on April 11, 2022, 02:08:42 PM
Quote from: Bob G on April 09, 2022, 11:09:41 PM
Quote from: GScaleBruce on April 09, 2022, 06:07:45 PM
I'll be interested to see the actual livery specifications for the BR blue ones - specifically whether they've got the orange cantrail stripe or not. Vaguely regretting not buying the BR blue one (33 020) from the second run as my first two are superb runners, but then again two are enough. Really, they are.
Really? Are you a true southern modeller?
Well, Southern mostly as that's where I started my railway career, plus Eastern Region, as that's where I spent the majority of it! Stoneham Yard serves both Clapham Junction Yard and Peterborough Post Office Terminal (quite how is lost in the shifting sands of time). But given that my layout consists of four dead end sidings two class 33s might be considered enough!
What I'd really like is a class 09... which is a conversion I keep pondering... there are also four class 73s, if that's any consolation... and my (current) stock box is full...
My comment was a bit tongue in cheek, but good to know the Southern blood continues to flow.
Is there any external difference between an 08 and an 09? I thought it was just gearing.
I know some 03s (at Bournemouth) and 07s had high level MU connectors fitted, but I was not aware of any 09s so fitted.
Bob
Quote from: Bob G on April 11, 2022, 02:49:50 PM
Is there any external difference between an 08 and an 09? I thought it was just gearing.
I know some 03s (at Bournemouth) and 07s had high level MU connectors fitted, but I was not aware of any 09s so fitted.
Bob
It's mainly the need to fabricate high level air brake and main res pipes at both ends. I tend to agree that MU jumpers don't need come into the equation. In model terms it would be a case of replicating the pipework both ends (0.25mm brass rod?), fixing it securely (presumably as per the prototype!), painting it all and re-numbering. Technically not a huge job - additions rather than removals - but I'm nervous about spoiling a perfectly good 08 in the process. I think I just about got away with the weathering on my 03, but it's a slightly close run thing. With a weathered BR blue 08 on Farish's horizon I may be tempted.
But a box fresh class 33 (heading back on topic!) might tempt me instead...
Quote from: GScaleBruce on April 11, 2022, 03:00:03 PM
But a box fresh class 33 (heading back on topic!) might tempt me instead...
If you have a green class 73 I seem to recall Bob wanted one after the latest run had sold out so maybe a swap could be made. After all 18 x class 33s is just pure overkill ;)
Quote from: Newportnobby on April 11, 2022, 03:04:49 PM
Quote from: GScaleBruce on April 11, 2022, 03:00:03 PM
But a box fresh class 33 (heading back on topic!) might tempt me instead...
If you have a green class 73 I seem to recall Bob wanted one after the latest run had sold out so maybe a swap could be made. After all 18 x class 33s is just pure overkill ;)
All 1980s BR blue here...
Quote from: GScaleBruce on April 11, 2022, 03:15:07 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on April 11, 2022, 03:04:49 PM
Quote from: GScaleBruce on April 11, 2022, 03:00:03 PM
But a box fresh class 33 (heading back on topic!) might tempt me instead...
If you have a green class 73 I seem to recall Bob wanted one after the latest run had sold out so maybe a swap could be made. After all 18 x class 33s is just pure overkill ;)
All 1980s BR blue here...
I don't think I said any of mine were spare...
And if they were Westerns or Warships I'm sure you'd be saying I didn't have enough. Well I love Cromptons too.
Bob
I'm waiting for the union of south Africa to arrive on order for over a year :*(
Quote from: Toothman on April 11, 2022, 07:02:24 PM
I'm waiting for the union of south Africa to arrive on order for over a year :*(
I love to drift off topic, but so far we had managed to keep it on southern diesel locomotives. Now you have introduced an LNER kettle to the discussion! :no: :offtopicsign:
Although to be fair it is still a Dapol product. So worth a cheezy grin.
Bob :D
Sorry for off topic been told engine will not come until end of this year
Quote from: Toothman on April 12, 2022, 10:28:06 AM
Sorry for off topic been told engine will not come until end of this year
I'm sure the wait will be worthwhile.
Bob
Hope so I don't have a diesel for southern region but I do have mausel steam with sound but that's farish,
Question how is it that class 33 will be available Q3 2022 if I can't get the streak until the end of 2022 ? Class 33 must be next year.
Quote from: Toothman on April 12, 2022, 03:50:20 PM
Question how is it that class 33 will be available Q3 2022 if I can't get the streak until the end of 2022 ? Class 33 must be next year.
There are lies, damn lies, and delivery dates :)
Your right there Bob lost count of how many times I have been told when delivery will come. :hmmm: roger
We are told that Dapol decide their priorities based on advanced orders so it is quite probable that the order in which re-runs arrive is decided by how the order books are looking. That would certainly make good business sense. Dapol say they get information on advanced orders from shops so if you fancy a particular Dapol product you will probably help yourself by placing an advance order.
Dapol themselves have said that the West Country has not had good pre-orders and that is the reason it is not getting high priority. They say they have found pre-orders to be a good indicator as to how a model will sell. So get your pre-orders in if you want your favourite project to get priority.
Meanwhile, a gratuitous photo of 33 020 from the last batch. I just have this one 33 but I do like it a lot. It seems to capture the feel of the real thing very well indeed and she runs smoothly and quietly. As with all stock she has had the benefit of light weathering.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/121/3123-130422064205.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=121698)
Like the photo :camera:
Quote from: Chris Morris on April 13, 2022, 06:43:22 AM
Dapol themselves have said that the West Country has not had good pre-orders and that is the reason it is not getting high priority. They say they have found pre-orders to be a good indicator as to how a model will sell. So get your pre-orders in if you want your favourite project to get priority.
But that's a 'chicken and egg' situation. Until Dapol say they'll go ahead why would anyone pre order one?
Quote from: Newportnobby on April 13, 2022, 11:06:49 AM
Quote from: Chris Morris on April 13, 2022, 06:43:22 AM
Dapol themselves have said that the West Country has not had good pre-orders and that is the reason it is not getting high priority. They say they have found pre-orders to be a good indicator as to how a model will sell. So get your pre-orders in if you want your favourite project to get priority.
I was referring to the order I which they work on items that have been announced and are available for pre-order.
But that's a 'chicken and egg' situation. Until Dapol say they'll go ahead why would anyone pre order one?
I did post on another thread off topic again I've noticed new Graham farish on hattons website have they made up :beers:
Another two 33s have been announced as part of the Gaugemaster collection:
• GM2210601 - 33021 'Eastleigh' in Post Office red
• GM2210602 - 33025 in West Coast Railway Company maroon
Both should look rather nice.
Gratuitous photo, but to my mind, the best ever livery for a 33 in far to much of a closeup :)
(http://i.imgur.com/BgOQ7hB.jpg) (https://imgur.com/BgOQ7hB)
Graham
Another good photo :camera:
I made the mistake of pre ordering two Gaugesmaster 73's. I'm still waiting for the Electric Blue one.
Remind me again, how many years ago was that? :veryangry:
I'm not making that mistake again.
I feel your pain dapol spam cans how long have they been on pre order :-[
Quote from: GrahamB on April 14, 2022, 12:52:32 PM
I made the mistake of pre ordering two Gaugesmaster 73's. I'm still waiting for the Electric Blue one.
Remind me again, how many years ago was that? :veryangry:
I'm not making that mistake again.
To be fair its not that you've paid out for them. There has been no financial transaction at all.
You just said you wanted the electric blue one (as did I) but it has not arrived yet.
Not really any need for a :veryangry: emoticon. More like an :( face.
I'm still waiting for that 73, some M7s, Maunsell high window coaches in BR crimson/cream and BR(S) green liveries, and Spam Cans (the list goes on).
Bob
Quote from: Bob G on April 14, 2022, 02:45:21 PM
Quote from: GrahamB on April 14, 2022, 12:52:32 PM
I made the mistake of pre ordering two Gaugesmaster 73's. I'm still waiting for the Electric Blue one.
Remind me again, how many years ago was that? :veryangry:
I'm not making that mistake again.
To be fair its not that you've paid out for them. There has been no financial transaction at all.
You just said you wanted the electric blue one (as did I) but it has not arrived yet.
Not really any need for a :veryangry: emoticon. More like an :( face.
I'm still waiting for that 73, some M7s, Maunsell high window coaches in BR crimson/cream and BR(S) green liveries, and Spam Cans (the list goes on).
Bob
Nope. I'm angry about it, not sad. Having just checked, orders were placed almost four years ago! These aren't new models. I'd have understood if they'd learnt and updated the chassis for Next18 or something.
4 years ago :*( grim dapol told me the problems are covid, transport, and power sharing?
Quote from: Toothman on April 16, 2022, 03:32:21 PM
4 years ago :*( grim dapol told me the problems are covid, transport, and power sharing?
Surprised they didn't include Brexit, Global Warming and Donald Trump.
Quote from: Toothman on April 16, 2022, 03:32:21 PM
4 years ago :*( grim dapol told me the problems are covid, transport, and power sharing?
If Dapol knew about COVID 4 years ago, why didn't they tell us then ??? ??? ::)