Everyone is banging on about the cost of fuel but it doesn't affect me as I always only put £20 worth in :P
you won't need to take the car soon, just a can :smiley-laughing:
yesterday local Tesco was £1.54.9p for petrol and £1.56.9p for diesel, have today heard, but have not confirmed myself, that it is now up overnight by 10p a litre.
your £20 won't get much soon, not even a jerry can full.
Scary thing @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) , is that I can remember when you would struggle to get £20 of petrol in your car in one go!
I must be getting old. :(
Kind regards
Paddy
Quote from: Newportnobby on March 08, 2022, 09:05:22 AM
Everyone is banging on about the cost of fuel but it doesn't affect me as I always only put £20 worth in :P
the way things are going, you'll use that driving to the pumps, get home again, and need to go and put in another £20 worth....
>:D
I pulled up at pump 3 at my local Asda fuel station yesterday, and happened to notice that the person who used it before me had only put £10 in.
I thought "Blimey - how far are they going - pump 4??" ;D ;D
Round here in Buckingham it is over £1.60 per liter for petrol today, no idea about diesel. This is another effect of the Ukraine conflict apparently, or being cynical (I am) is it the fuel suppliers who are taking advantage even though they source crude from oil producing regions away from Russia. I'm being careful not to specifically name any so as not to be too controversial.
This will, I suspect, have an impact on how much we travel about to visit e.g. exhibitions and holiday destinations in the UK. It will certainly be a factor on my decisions regarding visiting exhibitions more than around 30 miles away.
Having said all that, I am prepared to accept this as I feel we all need to support the Ukrainians and stop buying anything from Russia.
Rant over.
Cheers
Keith
Got to be honest, I'll pay whatever the price is. Fortunately , I do so few miles being retired, I'm only filling up once every three months. Had my MOT today and have done the princely milage of 1624 since the last one. However I couldn't do without the car due to SWMBO not being able to walk far.
I have no choice but to pay the asking price, as Louisa works full time five days a week and does not drive. Her place of employment is ten miles away. I take her to work in a morning and bring her home again at tea-time, so I do a minimum of 220 miles a week, including my trip to Tesco. I filled the car with petrol a week last Friday, at 180.9 cent per litre. Knowing that I should get the new car in a couple of weeks and that the price of petrol was only going in one direction, I put in another half a tank last Friday - at 193.9 cent per litre - a 13 cent rise in a week :o. 193.9 cent per litre is roughly £1.62p, so it is not too bad at the moment, but as I said, the price is only going to go one way for the foreseeable future. The Government here are, apparently, going to reduce the Excise duty as that is a 'home' duty. To reduce VAT, they have to get permission from the EU! I do think that everybody, from the refiners to the garage owners are jumping on the bandwagon though. I am afraid I am rather cynical, like @Firstone18 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6899) and get more cynical the older I get. For people that have no choice but to use their car, they are being held by the 'not long and not straight' bits.
I saw £177.9 per litre of diesel earlier. I have no choice doing around 750 miles per week in the company vehicle but am glad I'm not paying for it. I will probably do around 1000 miles in my car this year so it's not a huge issue on a personal level.
It's interesting to see this starting as a Jokes topic and gradually becoming less funny (otherwise only achieved by dannyboy's groaner thread :P)
I saw 2.18€ (1.81GBP) per litre of Diesel today :goggleeyes:
I'm just glad that I go to work by tram...
Best,
Michael
Quote from: mika on March 08, 2022, 07:29:36 PM
It's interesting to see this starting as a Jokes topic and gradually becoming less funny (otherwise only achieved by dannyboy's groaner thread :P)
Thanks for the reminder - you beat me to it :D
Paddy
My first `GALLON of petrol was 5s 3d so how old do you think I am ?
Bob Tidbury
Quote from: Bob Tidbury on March 09, 2022, 08:34:59 AM
Paddy
My first `GALLON of petrol was 5s 3d so how old do you think I am ?
Bob Tidbury
Thinking back to when I was an apprentice, say 1973-ish, I seem to remember paying 65p for a gallon of Shell at my then local filling station. I would use about a gallon a day to and from work, and maybe a couple of gallons over the weekend i.e. seven gallons for less than the cost of just one gallon now!!
For the (much) younger people reading this, 5s 3d would have been the equivalent of 28p in today's money.
Cheers
Keith
Quote from: Firstone18 on March 09, 2022, 08:52:39 AM
Quote from: Bob Tidbury on March 09, 2022, 08:34:59 AM
Paddy
My first `GALLON of petrol was 5s 3d so how old do you think I am ?
Bob Tidbury
Thinking back to when I was an apprentice, say 1973-ish, I seem to remember paying 65p for a gallon of Shell at my then local filling station. I would use about a gallon a day to and from work, and maybe a couple of gallons over the weekend i.e. seven gallons for less than the cost of just one gallon now!!
For the (much) younger people reading this, 5s 3d would have been the equivalent of 28p in today's money.
26p - 5/6 would be 28 new pence
When I first started driving , 2 Star petrol was 4s 4d a gallon, road tax £10 and an MoT 10/6. According to the RAC out of every £1 spent on fuel 60p goes to the Tax Man, so we are paying nearly a £1 per litre in tax.
Geoff
Quote from: chrism on March 09, 2022, 09:07:29 AM
Quote from: Firstone18 on March 09, 2022, 08:52:39 AM
Quote from: Bob Tidbury on March 09, 2022, 08:34:59 AM
Paddy
My first `GALLON of petrol was 5s 3d so how old do you think I am ?
Bob Tidbury
Thinking back to when I was an apprentice, say 1973-ish, I seem to remember paying 65p for a gallon of Shell at my then local filling station. I would use about a gallon a day to and from work, and maybe a couple of gallons over the weekend i.e. seven gallons for less than the cost of just one gallon now!!
For the (much) younger people reading this, 5s 3d would have been the equivalent of 28p in today's money.
26p - 5/6 would be 28 new pence
Yes, I realized later on I'd made a mistake; feeling a bit woolly this morning as I woke up with a migraine.
Cheers
Keith
Quote from: geoffc on March 09, 2022, 10:05:14 AM
When I first started driving , 2 Star petrol was 4s 4d a gallon, road tax £10 and an MoT 10/6. According to the RAC out of every £1 spent on fuel 60p goes to the Tax Man, so we are paying nearly a £1 per litre in tax.
Fuel Duty is 57.95p per litre, not per £.
Then there's 20% VAT on top of that.
On a litre of fuel at, say £1.70, we pay 57.95p in duty plus 29p in VAT, total tax = 87p/litre.
so over half, and I assume the vat is on the fuel duty as well, so tax on a tax :hmmm:
Quote from: class37025 on March 09, 2022, 10:41:10 AM
and I assume the vat is on the fuel duty as well, so tax on a tax :hmmm:
Yes, that's included in the figures I gave above.
the point I was making, I thought, was that there is a fuel 'tax' which they then add VAT to, so in fact taxing a tax, which I always thought was actually illegal >:(
I will take this no further, I'm getting fed up a diet of Jaffa cakes. :-[
Fuel prices always increase when there are large scale wars occurring as they tend to involve countries who produce the stuff, I doub't anyone outside the UK would bat an eyelid if England and Scotland went to war over Doncaster (did you know an English King actually handed Doncaster to Scotland and technically it's still valid).
When an oil producing country goes to war it upsets the market, Governments rush to stockpile and the price naturally rises as supply is restricted and demand is up.
Of course, our Exchequer is very pleased when the price goes up and demand stays the same, more money to the Government - but I bet we don't see a rebate on our income tax to help us out anytime soon
I love this forum, it always makes me feel so young. I remember probably around the very late 70s when I went to the Lake District with my parents and my dad was moaning because the fuel prices up there were extortionate at 78p a gallon. I don't remember what I first paid.
I remember when putting in a Fiver's worth kept you going all week.
Quote from: Woodenhead on March 09, 2022, 01:03:47 PM
did you know an English King actually handed Doncaster to Scotland and technically it's still valid)
That'll teach 'em ;)
I remember when I got my first motorbike petrol was 4s 6d :-[
Mu
Quote from: Newportnobby on March 09, 2022, 01:27:25 PM
I remember when I got my first motorbike petrol was 4s 6d :-[
Must have been when I got my first bike as well.
What annoys me is that the petrol we are currently using was made months ago and not affected by any shortages. So why have the prices gone up and why don't they come down as quickly?
the fuel companies have got to make a penny or two >:D
lets be honest, there are bonuses at stake here, CEO's pensions, etc
can't consider the plebs who actually NEED their product to get to work / hospital / deliver goods etc :-[
you have to get your priorities right :angel:
Quote from: dannyboy on March 08, 2022, 07:02:30 PM
I have no choice but to pay the asking price, as Louisa works full time five days a week and does not drive. Her place of employment is ten miles away. I take her to work in a morning and bring her home again at tea-time, so I do a minimum of 220 miles a week, including my trip to Tesco. I filled the car with petrol a week last Friday, at 180.9 cent per litre. Knowing that I should get the new car in a couple of weeks and that the price of petrol was only going in one direction, I put in another half a tank last Friday - at 193.9 cent per litre - a 13 cent rise in a week :o. 193.9 cent per litre is roughly £1.62p, so it is not too bad at the moment, but as I said, the price is only going to go one way for the foreseeable future. The Government here are, apparently, going to reduce the Excise duty as that is a 'home' duty. To reduce VAT, they have to get permission from the EU! I do think that everybody, from the refiners to the garage owners are jumping on the bandwagon though. I am afraid I am rather cynical, like @Firstone18 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6899) and get more cynical the older I get. For people that have no choice but to use their car, they are being held by the 'not long and not straight' bits.
Your usage would be optimized for a Chevrolet Volt, Opel Ampera like car. I remember Jay Leno responding to the question how much mileage he gets from his Volt: "I don't know, they gave it to mee topped off, and I do just 20 miles a way commuting, its tank is still 1/4 full (after one year)"
Ever get the feeling you wish you'd never started something?
For crying out loud, this is the Jokes section, folks!
Just stay at home, will soon be cheaper to purchase a DC loco for your railway than fill up the tank.
Currently the exchange rate is two Farish Bulleids to one tank of Diesel, it will probably have risen to 2 Farish Mk2F to one tank of Diesel by tomorrow.
If we get to one Farish DCC Sound Fitted DMU to one tank of petrol, things will be getting serious.
Quote from: Newportnobby on March 09, 2022, 02:52:03 PM
For crying out loud, this is the Jokes section, folks!
If it wasn't as serious as it is, it would be a joke.
Quote from: AlexanderJesse on March 09, 2022, 02:26:03 PM
Your usage would be optimized for a Chevrolet Volt, Opel Ampera like car.
Neither of those cars are available in Ireland, but I have a Toyota Corolla hybrid saloon, which is going to be replaced by an identical model in a couple of weeks. :thumbsup:
Incidentally, our Government have just announced a 20 cent per litre reduction in petrol excise duty from midnight tonight.
Quote from: dannyboy on March 09, 2022, 03:29:45 PM
Incidentally, our Government have just announced a 20 cent per litre reduction in petrol excise duty from midnight tonight.
I do hope you didn't fill up this morning :smiley-laughing:
:laughabovepost:
No but I filled up last Friday. Hopefully I have enough now to last until I get the new car. Not that it makes any difference, whatever car I have, it will need petrol in a couple of weeks.
I'm travelling from Cornwall up to Wiltshire late next week.
I reckon the fuel is going to cost me a darned sight more than it did 2 weeks ago :doh:
Quote from: port perran on March 09, 2022, 03:38:00 PM
I'm travelling from Cornwall up to Wiltshire late next week.
I reckon the fuel is going to cost me a darned sight more than it did 2 weeks ago :doh:
at least you can free wheel on the way back, according to my atlas, it's down hill to Cornwall :-[
Quote from: Bob Tidbury on March 09, 2022, 08:34:59 AM
Paddy
My first `GALLON of petrol was 5s 3d so how old do you think I am ?
Bob Tidbury
i can beat that--i was paying 4 and seven pence hapeny when i started
i think the cheapest petrol price ( in relation to wages ) was 4 gallons for a tenner in the early 90's.
6s and 8d when I started. Plus about 5000 Green Shield Stamps every time I filled up.
Quote from: port perran on March 09, 2022, 03:38:00 PM
I'm travelling from Cornwall up to Wiltshire late next week.
I reckon the fuel is going to cost me a darned sight more than it did 2 weeks ago :doh:
Better take a couple of jerrycans - else you might not be able to afford to get back.
:-XCost me as much as my first car to fill up today :censored
Quote from: john12glen on March 09, 2022, 04:32:17 PM
:-XCost me as much as my first car to fill up today :censored
Crikey, hadn't thought of it that way :o
Quote from: chrism on March 09, 2022, 04:37:06 PM
Quote from: john12glen on March 09, 2022, 04:32:17 PM
:-XCost me as much as my first car to fill up today :censored
Crikey, hadn't thought of it that way :o
It's probably right though. I think I paid £25 for my first car, an ancient Hillman Minx.
Quote from: chrism on March 09, 2022, 04:19:30 PM
Quote from: port perran on March 09, 2022, 03:38:00 PM
I'm travelling from Cornwall up to Wiltshire late next week.
I reckon the fuel is going to cost me a darned sight more than it did 2 weeks ago :doh:
Better take a couple of jerrycans - else you might not be able to afford to get back.
Definitely won't be taking Bertie our VW Camper at around 25 miles to the gallon (if we're lucky and the journey is mostly downhill).
Quote from: port perran on March 09, 2022, 04:44:06 PM
Quote from: chrism on March 09, 2022, 04:37:06 PM
Quote from: john12glen on March 09, 2022, 04:32:17 PM
:-XCost me as much as my first car to fill up today :censored
Crikey, hadn't thought of it that way :o
It's probably right though. I think I paid £25 for my first car, an ancient Hillman Minx.
It was about the same for my first Austin Cambridge Countryman - although that was actually a swap for a couple of railway books.
However, a tankful of diesel is rapidly heading towards the cost of the first car for which I paid cash - another Cambridge Countryman (with a working engine) at, IIRC, £110.
Quote from: port perran on March 09, 2022, 04:45:46 PM
Quote from: chrism on March 09, 2022, 04:19:30 PM
Quote from: port perran on March 09, 2022, 03:38:00 PM
I'm travelling from Cornwall up to Wiltshire late next week.
I reckon the fuel is going to cost me a darned sight more than it did 2 weeks ago :doh:
Better take a couple of jerrycans - else you might not be able to afford to get back.
Definitely won't be taking Bertie our VW Camper at around 25 miles to the gallon (if we're lucky and the journey is mostly downhill).
And with a tail wind?
I imagine that a head wind would clobber the consumption even if all other circumstances were favourable.
Quote from: chrism on March 09, 2022, 04:49:48 PM
Quote from: port perran on March 09, 2022, 04:45:46 PM
Quote from: chrism on March 09, 2022, 04:19:30 PM
Quote from: port perran on March 09, 2022, 03:38:00 PM
I'm travelling from Cornwall up to Wiltshire late next week.
I reckon the fuel is going to cost me a darned sight more than it did 2 weeks ago :doh:
Better take a couple of jerrycans - else you might not be able to afford to get back.
Definitely won't be taking Bertie our VW Camper at around 25 miles to the gallon (if we're lucky and the journey is mostly downhill).
And with a tail wind?
I imagine that a head wind would clobber the consumption even if all other circumstances were favourable.
Someone once said that it's akin to driving a loaf of bread.
Absolutely no aerodynamic styling.
Quote from: port perran on March 09, 2022, 05:00:38 PM
Quote from: chrism on March 09, 2022, 04:49:48 PM
Quote from: port perran on March 09, 2022, 04:45:46 PM
Quote from: chrism on March 09, 2022, 04:19:30 PM
Quote from: port perran on March 09, 2022, 03:38:00 PM
I'm travelling from Cornwall up to Wiltshire late next week.
I reckon the fuel is going to cost me a darned sight more than it did 2 weeks ago :doh:
Better take a couple of jerrycans - else you might not be able to afford to get back.
Definitely won't be taking Bertie our VW Camper at around 25 miles to the gallon (if we're lucky and the journey is mostly downhill).
And with a tail wind?
I imagine that a head wind would clobber the consumption even if all other circumstances were favourable.
Someone once said that it's akin to driving a loaf of bread.
Absolutely no aerodynamic styling.
Still a classic design though.
Surely it's uphill all the way from Cornwall to Wiltshire and downhill on the way back? Is this for the 'Nam beer festival by any chance? :beers:
Quote from: Trainfish on March 09, 2022, 07:12:08 PM
Surely it's uphill all the way from Cornwall to Wiltshire and downhill on the way back? Is this for the 'Nam beer festival by any chance? :beers:
Yes. Your geography is correct. It is indeed downhill coming home.
No....I'll be up for family visits and footie on Sat 19th.
The Chippy Beer Festival is much later at the end of April.
Quote from: port perran on March 09, 2022, 07:20:51 PM
The Chippy Beer Festival is much later at the end of April.
Yes, just realised that when I opened an email from Devizes CAMRA begging me to buy a ticket and to go on their bus. They say there's only 20 festival tickets left on the website, I hope you've got yours if you're going. Personally I think you should go to the Devizes festival in July instead. Or both! :beers:
Quote from: Trainfish on March 09, 2022, 07:23:53 PM
Quote from: port perran on March 09, 2022, 07:20:51 PM
The Chippy Beer Festival is much later at the end of April.
Yes, just realised that when I opened an email from Devizes CAMRA begging me to buy a ticket and to go on their bus. They say there's only 20 festival tickets left on the website, I hope you've got yours if you're going. Personally I think you should go to the Devizes festival in July instead. Or both! :beers:
Yes, I have my Chippenham ticket for the Friday evening.
I'd quite like to go to the Devizes one too. I'll see if I can talk my son in law into it.
Our only problem will be getting back to Bathford afterwards.
I was going to suggest the Travelodge in Devizes but I just looked at their booking page and it seems they already know about the new date. Their prices for 3 consecutive days are as follows:
£66
£102
£48
Guess which one is festival night?
I'll have a look but pretty sure the number 271 or 272 bus from Devizes goes to Bathford
Faresaver buses say last bus on a Saturday to Bath going through Bathford leaves at 22:20. Other buses are available of course.
Quote from: Trainfish on March 09, 2022, 07:48:24 PM
Faresaver buses say last bus on a Saturday to Bath going through Bathford leaves at 22:20. Other buses are available of course.
Thanks for that John.
I'll have a chat with my son in law.
A bus home sounds an excellent solution.
Click here (https://www.faresaver.co.uk/timetables/60940bc7efd5e.pdf) for the timetable. If you do decide to go just let me know and I'll sort out tickets for you. They get snapped up quickly but I know all the top bods in Devizes CAMRA and can always get them :beers:
Quote from: port perran on March 09, 2022, 04:45:46 PM
Definitely won't be taking Bertie our VW Camper at around 25 miles to the gallon (if we're lucky and the journey is mostly downhill).
If it's any consolation my car doesn't do a huge amount more than that, and markedly less if I have a heavy right foot!
I remember fuel being 70-something pence a litre, and £10 being a worthwhile contribution, and I've only been driving since the mid-00s.
Quote from: port perran on March 09, 2022, 07:50:41 PM
Quote from: Trainfish on March 09, 2022, 07:48:24 PM
Faresaver buses say last bus on a Saturday to Bath going through Bathford leaves at 22:20. Other buses are available of course.
Thanks for that John.
I'll have a chat with my son in law.
A bus home sounds an excellent solution.
A bus with toilet :)
:laughabovepost:
I thought this thread was about the price of petrol!
:P :P :P
You're absolutely right, it was :D
When I saw the post in my unread list a day or so ago, I thought "Mick has posted a joke.... I'll look later" :P
Then this morning, I see it's 4 pages long.... must be either a good joke or a crap one, so I took a look.
Now I realise how it's got to 4 pages! Come on, folks, it's a quick one liner in the jokes section. All this stuff doesn't belong here.
Quote from: GlenEglise on March 09, 2022, 10:06:10 PM
:laughabovepost:
I thought this thread was about the price of petrol!
It's about fuel - beer
is fuel :smiley-laughing:
Quote from: GlenEglise on March 09, 2022, 10:06:10 PM
:laughabovepost:
I thought this thread was about the price of petrol!
:P :P :P
As far as I can work out from the last page or two, some members are proposing to go to a beer festival where they will acquire large quantities of alcohol, presumably to use as an alternative fuel for their vehicles? :hmmm: :confused1: :beers:
I use veggie oil in the Land rover, but guess which two countries produce 50% of the worlds sunflower oil?
I think if I launch my sailing boat at the nearest navigable bit of the broads I can sail to the sailing club in time for the end of season Dinner next week... Anyone fancy helping me push half 1/2 a ton 4 miles? Oh it's up hill to the waterway..
At least the thread is getting funnier (sort of) ;)
Well I looked at UK diesel prices this morning. :o
Then I looked at UK heating oil prices (kerosene). :goggleeyes:
My how I laughed. ::)
SWMBO joined in with the merriment, so much so it brought tears to her eyes. :*(
Such fun on this fine sunny morning. :(
It really is a joke.
- but then it's nothing compared to what Ukrainians are going through.
🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
Quote from: Bob Tidbury on March 09, 2022, 08:34:59 AM
Paddy
My first `GALLON of petrol was 5s 3d so how old do you think I am ?
Bob Tidbury
You were robbed, mine was 3s3d and that included a shot of two stroke oil!
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/120/264-100322150911-120389387.jpeg)
well I know it might not seem like not that much, but we are at CDN$2.11 / liter here in BC. It was CDN$1.11 /l this time 2 years ago
Our train services aren't an option (we don't even have any on Vancouver Island) and our distances are FAaaaaaaaar longer than the UK (getting to Alberta (the next closest province.. so like Cornwall to Devon :) ) from where I live would need me to drive 840km (Not that I want to go to Alberta.. its a bit.. well .. its like Canada's Texas, lets leave it at that :)
It's a pity that Valentine's Day has been and gone as in having to take my true love somewhere expensive......... as now the date could have been down the Petrol Station just as costly but home in plenty of time to run trains.......... 😂
I paid, well, the company did, £1.79.9 per litre on Thursday :goggleeyes:
That .9 still annoys me.
Quote from: Trainfish on March 11, 2022, 02:06:47 AM
I paid, well, the company did, £1.79.9 per litre on Thursday :goggleeyes:
That .9 still annoys me.
Remember the Not The Nine O'Clock News sketch at the petrol station:?
Mel Smith putting fuel in and replacing the hose nozzle very carefully to make sure his purchase is precisely £5 - and Griff Rhys-Jones hits a "Nobble" button, adding a penny - classic :smiley-laughing:
More comedy this morning as Boilerjuice (a reliable source of info on heating oil prices) indicates that as at this morning Kerosene 28, which I and almost every household in the villages and towns around me use for heating, is averaging £1.5954 per litre!
That's almost FOUR TIMES HIGHER than the price this time last year when it was about £0.42.
Unlike petrol and diesel the tax levied on heating oil is 10.7 pence per litre and then 5% VAT, so this is a truly shocking price (that probably will continue to rise), especially as the demographic of this part of the country (in Lincolnshire) shows a higher than average proportion of the elderly.
Thankfully at the moment the weather is mild and above average temperatures are predicted for the next couple of weeks so we can keep consumption down, but this has a major impact on our limited finances, far far greater than that from the rise in car fuel. :(
Quote from: daffy on March 11, 2022, 07:29:52 AM
More comedy this morning as Boilerjuice (a reliable source of info on heating oil prices) indicates that as at this morning Kerosene 28, which I and almost every household in the villages and towns around me use for heating, is averaging £159.54 per litre!
That's almost FOUR TIMES HIGHER than the price this time last year when it was about £0.42.
Er, I make that almost 380 times higher :P
Ho ho! So do I! :-[. :doh:
Original post now corrected by careful movement of the errant decimal point.
Thanks Chris. :thumbsup:
We've just had our estimated gas/electric bills for next year, gas +£490,electric +£295. Methinks have to consider what trains I can afford if any, as food bills are also going up.
Martin
One of my sons works all over the country, they fill the works vans on the firm's card. He's just come up from Skeggy to Co' Durham in a convoy of vans. One needed diesel on the motorway, cost £2-02/litre!!!!!!! :whiteflag: :whiteflag: :whiteflag: Locally we are seeing well over £1.60/l but on the motorway they have you over a barrel of oil, so to speak.
When I was a sales manager we were told never to fill up at motorway services.
Anyone found doing so had to pay the extra out of their own pocket. A very quick learning curve!!
Quote from: daffy on March 11, 2022, 07:56:01 AM
Ho ho! So do I! :-[. :doh:
Original post now corrected by careful movement of the errant decimal point.
Thanks Chris. :thumbsup:
Don't worry, either the oil companies or the government will soon move the decimal point back for you :thumbsup:
Quote from: GAD on March 11, 2022, 02:58:34 PM
One of my sons works all over the country, they fill the works vans on the firm's card. He's just come up from Skeggy to Co' Durham in a convoy of vans. One needed diesel on the motorway, cost £2-02/litre!!!!!!! :whiteflag: :whiteflag: :whiteflag: Locally we are seeing well over £1.60/l but on the motorway they have you over a barrel of oil, so to speak.
I've just had to pay 176.7p/litre - luckily I had to take someone out of town which took me past a filling station that's usually cheaper than the only one that's actually in town, that wants 179.9p, so twas worth filling up at the other one.
sorry, but just filled up with diesel at our local Tesco @ £1:66.9p per litre.
and why .9p, can you get.1p change.......
yet another con
Perhaps this thread could be renamed to suit our present and future inflationary lives. :hmmm:
We could just re-title it "Up!" :D
That way we can chat away about the current and future increases in vehicle fuel, heating fuel, electricity, gas, food, Covid, all manner of goods and services - and whatever else we will certainly find to include - under a unifying banner.
We could even include balloons. ;) :D
Quote from: daffy on March 11, 2022, 06:24:58 PM
We could even include balloons. ;) :D
And large chickens! :thumbsup:
Unleaded (E10) at one supermarket in Hull today £1.589/litre, but oddly the E5 'Super Unleaded' has gone up by much less and at £1.63.9 the gap is now down to 5p/litre from the usual 8-9p...
As my car does at least 5% more MPG on Super, that has become significantly cheaper in pence per mile...
[the BP garage 2 miles up the road was however £1.699 & £ £1.819 ! :goggleeyes: ]
Looking at prices in my locality, it's cheaper to fill up at a supermarket than an oil company's petrol station.
I wonder how many of us are cutting back on unnecessary journeys to save fuel?
This guy isn't cutting back, just doing things a little differently:
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Quote from: Trainfish on March 11, 2022, 02:06:47 AM
I paid, well, the company did, £1.79.9 per litre on Thursday :goggleeyes:
They're reintroduced pounds/shillings/pence already? :goggleeyes:
Quote from: gc4946 on March 11, 2022, 08:44:56 PM
Looking at prices in my locality, it's cheaper to fill up at a supermarket than an oil company's petrol station.
Around here, if only. It's a 50+ mile round trip to a supermarket with a filling station.
It's rather ironic when, sometimes, my local Tesco dishes out fuel discount vouchers - when they don't have a filling station there. I'd spend more than the discount just going to use them.
I do save them up, though, just in case I get a voluntary transport booking that takes me close to the supermarket filling station.
Our car particularly doesn't like E10, we find it more economical to use E5 premium fuel.
Luckily our small Tesco does have a PFS. The Tesco in-store name for fillings stations is PFS.
At one time Tesco used to do a free booklet of all their stores, which included which stores had PFSs . That was heavily used until it finally fell apart. Now I have to pre search online for fuel stations to go just off major A roads and motorways.
Once retired I'll be going to more distant model railway shows, we've lost a lot of shows permanently in Norfolk, so travelling in different directions to our previous routes, a new list of cheap refueling sites will need to be developed.
My wife travelled a lot for her job and found that Tesco stores booklet invaluable. Hers too eventually fell apart but the remnants are still in the glove box of our car.
For fuel prices we have used the free app https://www.petrolprices.com/ (https://www.petrolprices.com/) in the past, but living in the country 15 miles from the nearest supermarket and doing a very low annual mileage compared to pre-retirement has meant it has little value to us these days.
Quote from: chrism on March 12, 2022, 06:28:16 AM
Around here, if only. It's a 50+ mile round trip to a supermarket with a filling station.
We (the wife) keep getting them from Morrisons whose nearest filling station is about 16 miles away in Chippenham and yes, we would use up the discount by driving there and back. Me being me complained about it some time back but I just got a bog standard reply of it's a national thing etc etc. Strange though how my sister who lives in Chippenham is happy to take them from me as she never gets given the vouchers when she goes to the Chippenham store :hmmm:
188.9p per litre of diesel seen near Bude this week :goggleeyes:
Quote from: Railbank on March 10, 2022, 06:31:46 PM
It's a pity that Valentine's Day has been and gone as in having to take my true love somewhere expensive......... as now the date could have been down the Petrol Station just as costly but home in plenty of time to run trains.......... 😂
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Quote from: Trainfish on March 19, 2022, 10:40:51 PM
188.9p per litre of diesel seen near Bude this week :goggleeyes:
@Trainfish (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=262)
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some years ago the late Gerarld Nabarro MP said petrol would soon be £5 a gallon , weeks later mystreiously some scaffolding collapsed and killed him
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If looking for the cheapest fuel in your area try https://petrolmap.co.uk/ (https://petrolmap.co.uk/)
Hope no-one in the UK had to fill up this morning - Rishi's knocking 5p/litre off motor fuel duty from 18:00 tonight.
A week or so ago, our 'money man' in the Government knocked 20 cent per litre off the petrol duty - prices at the pump went down about 6 cents! So if the garage owners in the UK are as bad as the ones in Ireland, don't expect the full 5p per litre. Just saying. ;)
Quote from: dannyboy on March 23, 2022, 01:26:23 PM
A week or so ago, our 'money man' in the Government knocked 20 cent per litre off the petrol duty - prices at the pump went down about 6 cents! So if the garage owners in the UK are as bad as the ones in Ireland, don't expect the full 5p per litre. Just saying. ;)
Weren't the wholesale fuel prices still going up at the same time, thus reducing the reduction?
BTW, reducing duty by 5p/litre "should" knock 6p/litre off the price - 5p plus VAT.
Quote from: chrism on March 23, 2022, 01:32:49 PM
Weren't the wholesale fuel prices still going up at the same time, thus reducing the reduction?
That may have been the case, but I do not think they went up by 14/15c per litre in a matter of hours. And if your local garage reduces the pump prices by 6p per litre at 6pm, I will buy you a pint. :)
surely you are not suggesting that, with the news reporting oil prices falling, an that man reducing fuel tax, and so the VAT on the fuel tax, that the present price increases are due simply to prifiteering by fuel companies ?
wash you mouth's out.
it is purely an ecenomic result of the war in Ukraine.
Quote from: dannyboy on March 23, 2022, 01:56:29 PM
Quote from: chrism on March 23, 2022, 01:32:49 PM
Weren't the wholesale fuel prices still going up at the same time, thus reducing the reduction?
That may have been the case, but I do not think they went up by 14/15c per litre in a matter of hours. And if your local garage reduces the pump prices by 6p per litre at 6pm, I will buy you a pint. :)
Of diesel?
:smiley-laughing:
:laughabovepost:
Sorry Chris, can't afford that. :)
A slight wander of subject but as if I heard right, VAT is being removed from energy efficient heating systems AND insulation.. so that's 20% off
Anyone for a foam Baseboard?
Quote from: The Q on March 23, 2022, 03:04:22 PM
A slight wander of subject but as if I heard right, VAT is being removed from energy efficient heating systems AND insulation.. so that's 20% off
Anyone for a foam Baseboard?
Nope, the VAT is being reduced from 5% to zero - so it's actually 4.76% off
Most of what we pay at the pump is duty and tax, thats a fact, if the duty and tax wasn't so high then when there was an increase in the price of petrol/diesel than it wouldn't be as noticable.
I did these calculations when i thought the tax and duty was 53%, i think it's actually 57%
Anyhow, same logic applies.
If petrol was 100p a litre at the pump then the petrol costs 47p then the duty & vat would be 53p.
When the petrol price increases to 160p a litre at the pump then the petrol costs is 75.2p and the duty & vat would be 84.8p
The petrol has increased by 28.2p taking it to 75.2p but the duty & vat has increased by 31.8p taking it to 84.8, more than half the amount the petrol increased by is by vat & duty.
If the vat & duty didn't increase on the 60p of the 160p per litre for petrol but there was still vat and duty on the first 100p that petrol would cost 128p per litre instead of 160p per litre.
Lets scale it ip a bit into reality as nobody buys 1 litre of petrol.
Just say i have a 20 gallon tank, 4.54 litres in a gallon so thats a 90.8 litre tank.
Petrol costs 100p a litre so it costs 9080p, £90.80 to fill up. £42.676 of that is the cost of the petrol, £48.124 of that is vat & duty
Petrol now costs 160p litre so it costs 14528p, £145.28 to fill up. £68.28 of that is the cost of the petrol, £76.99 of that is vat & duty
The actual petrol has gone up by £25 to fill up with 20 gallons but the additional duty & vat has added another £29.48 to the cost.
My point really is if there is an increase in the cost of petrol then you need to double it to cover the vat & duty.
RIP OFF BRITAIN
Don't think that is quite right... Fuel excise duty is a fixed 58p per litre for unleaded E5 & E10 (53p after today) so while VAT goes up proportional to the total cost, as prices rise the duty as a percentage of the total falls...
So your 100p litre would be 17p VAT, 58p duty = 75p/75% taxes.
A 150p litre would be 25p VAT, 58p duty = 83p/55% taxes.
Quote from: PLD on March 23, 2022, 04:44:37 PM
Don't think that is quite right... Fuel excise duty is a fixed 58p per litre for unleaded E5 & E10 (53p after today) so while VAT goes up proportional to the total cost, as prices rise the duty as a percentage of the total falls...
So your 100p litre would be 17p VAT, 58p duty = 75p/75% taxes.
A 150p litre would be 25p VAT, 58p duty = 83p/55% taxes.
Yes, Dalek's 100p/litre calculations are completely wrong - the actual fuel would be only 25.3p/litre.
The 160p/litre calculations are about right, though.
Quote from: Dalek on March 23, 2022, 04:16:15 PM
Most of what we pay at the pump is duty and tax, thats a fact, if the duty and tax wasn't so high then when there was an increase in the price of petrol/diesel than it wouldn't be as noticable.
I did these calculations when i thought the tax and duty was 53%, i think it's actually 57%
Anyhow, same logic applies.
If petrol was 100p a litre at the pump then the petrol costs 47p then the duty & vat would be 53p.
When the petrol price increases to 160p a litre at the pump then the petrol costs is 75.2p and the duty & vat would be 84.8p
The petrol has increased by 28.2p taking it to 75.2p but the duty & vat has increased by 31.8p taking it to 84.8, more than half the amount the petrol increased by is by vat & duty.
If the vat & duty didn't increase on the 60p of the 160p per litre for petrol but there was still vat and duty on the first 100p that petrol would cost 128p per litre instead of 160p per litre.
Lets scale it ip a bit into reality as nobody buys 1 litre of petrol.
Just say i have a 20 gallon tank, 4.54 litres in a gallon so thats a 90.8 litre tank.
Petrol costs 100p a litre so it costs 9080p, £90.80 to fill up. £42.676 of that is the cost of the petrol, £48.124 of that is vat & duty
Petrol now costs 160p litre so it costs 14528p, £145.28 to fill up. £68.28 of that is the cost of the petrol, £76.99 of that is vat & duty
The actual petrol has gone up by £25 to fill up with 20 gallons but the additional duty & vat has added another £29.48 to the cost.
My point really is if there is an increase in the cost of petrol then you need to double it to cover the vat & duty.
RIP OFF BRITAIN
ok, but poor MPs need to top up their pensions, the government [?] needs to cover it's costs on
parties works events, and we are the ones who foot the bill.
#when are we going to get a government who actually cares about their people, regardless of what party.
Quote from: chrism on March 23, 2022, 05:22:06 PM
Quote from: PLD on March 23, 2022, 04:44:37 PM
Don't think that is quite right... Fuel excise duty is a fixed 58p per litre for unleaded E5 & E10 (53p after today) so while VAT goes up proportional to the total cost, as prices rise the duty as a percentage of the total falls...
So your 100p litre would be 17p VAT, 58p duty = 75p/75% taxes.
A 150p litre would be 25p VAT, 58p duty = 83p/55% taxes.
Yes, Dalek's 100p/litre calculations are completely wrong - the actual fuel would be only 25.3p/litre.
The 160p/litre calculations are about right, though.
I stand corrected, i did bash all that together on the hurry up.
So it's even worse then :o
Quote from: class37025 on March 23, 2022, 05:41:51 PM
#when are we going to get a government who actually cares about their people, regardless of what party.
We have this in Scotland, it's called the SNP
Craig
Don't you believe it, all they are interested in is power for themselves...
Quote from: The Q on March 24, 2022, 11:23:25 AM
Don't you believe it, all they are interested in is power for themselves...
Really....?
LOL
Yep I've lived there, one of my sisters works for the Scottish government, she meets those politicians every day when not working from home. They are just the same bunch of back stabbing politicians as in every other country all they want is power....
[gmod]I know it's difficult to extract politics from what's going on at present but let's remember the forum rules please, Chaps/Chappesses. No politics[/gmod]
what I don't get is if I buy a loaf of bread I pay for the bread and the vat
if I buy a bottle of beer I pay for the beer and vat
I buy some diesel I pay for the fuel, then have a tax as well, fuel duty, and then pay vat [a tax] on the fuel and on the tax that has already been added.
or is it that it is only on fuel that the duty is talked about, is there a flour duty on my bread, or a hops duty on my beer ?
it might not be quite so bad if you paid for the fuel, then VAT on that fuel, then had the fuel duty added, but paying tax on a tax is just... well I won't say what I think, some will guess though. :veryangry:
Quote from: The Q on March 24, 2022, 11:33:36 AM
Yep I've lived there, one of my sisters works for the Scottish government, she meets those politicians every day when not working from home. They are just the same bunch of back stabbing politicians as in every other country all they want is power....
Entirly your opinion and you are entirly welcome to it, as am i with mine.
However i do not agree with your opinion, not all politicians and parties are equal.
We better knock this on the head before we get a row, now then back to the choo choo trains :D
A couple of months ago, our Government decided that, because of the rising fuel costs, every household in Ireland would get a €100 credit on their electricity bill. I think somebody then twigged that the credit would actually be more, as there would be no VAT to pay on that €100, but of course, the Government had said we would get €100 of free electricity, so they had to leave it as it was. A few weeks ago, the Government decided that we could actually have €200 knocked off our electricity bills including VAT. Somebody in the Irish Treasury had obviously thought it through this time. :). I am not complaining though. ;)
Oh look, another government that cares for it's people :thumbsup:
I look forward to seeing what will happen to us old farts and our winter fuel allowance next December...................................................................or do I? :hmmm:
Quote from: class37025 on March 24, 2022, 12:33:37 PM
or is it that it is only on fuel that the duty is talked about, is there a flour duty on my bread, or a hops duty on my beer ?
Don't know about flour, but there is certainly an alcohol duty charged on beer - 8.42p per litre per ABV %age for 1.2% to 2.8% beers, 19.08p for 2.8% to 7.5% beers and 24.77p for beers stronger than 7.5% ABV. Then VAT on top of that.
wonder if my diesel Volvo would run on beer :hmmm:
Quote from: Newportnobby on March 24, 2022, 03:34:12 PM
I look forward to seeing what will happen to us old farts and our winter fuel allowance next December...................................................................or do I? :hmmm:
probably, like the free TV licences for over 75s, be discontinued.
can I claim that as I paid my licence last year, and 99% of the programs are repeats, I can 'repeat' my licence fee :hmmm:
I can guess the reply to that one.
pay the BBC to watch, occasionally, ITV.
seems fair, like paying BP to fill your car with Shell diesel. :censored:
Quote from: chrism on March 24, 2022, 03:50:03 PM
Quote from: class37025 on March 24, 2022, 12:33:37 PM
or is it that it is only on fuel that the duty is talked about, is there a flour duty on my bread, or a hops duty on my beer ?
Don't know about flour, but there is certainly an alcohol duty charged on beer - 8.42p per litre per ABV %age for 1.2% to 2.8% beers, 19.08p for 2.8% to 7.5% beers and 24.77p for beers stronger than 7.5% ABV. Then VAT on top of that.
so yet again, a tax on a tax.
Just be grateful you don't live in Wales (and Scotland I think), they add another £4 to the price of a bottle of spirits in hope that it limits the amount some people drink. As usual, punish everyone because of the minority.
Quote from: dannyboy on March 23, 2022, 01:56:29 PM
Quote from: chrism on March 23, 2022, 01:32:49 PM
Weren't the wholesale fuel prices still going up at the same time, thus reducing the reduction?
That may have been the case, but I do not think they went up by 14/15c per litre in a matter of hours. And if your local garage reduces the pump prices by 6p per litre at 6pm, I will buy you a pint. :)
I happened to pass my local filling station this morning and the diesel price displayed was 6p down on what it was a fortnight ago - whether that's due solely to the duty cut, however, I know not.
Quote from: class37025 on March 24, 2022, 04:10:00 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on March 24, 2022, 03:34:12 PM
I look forward to seeing what will happen to us old farts and our winter fuel allowance next December...................................................................or do I? :hmmm:
probably, like the free TV licences for over 75s, be discontinued.
can I claim that as I paid my licence last year, and 99% of the programs are repeats, I can 'repeat' my licence fee :hmmm:
I can guess the reply to that one.
pay the BBC to watch, occasionally, ITV.
seems fair, like paying BP to fill your car with Shell diesel. :censored:
i read somewhere the tv licence is to be scrapped. if not--it will be the next direct debit i will be cancelling. ( Bearing in mind it cost 18 months in the first year of DD payments, 25 years ago. So i will still be overpaid.
Quote from: TrevL on March 25, 2022, 11:08:38 AM
Just be grateful you don't live in Wales (and Scotland I think), they add another £4 to the price of a bottle of spirits in hope that it limits the amount some people drink. As usual, punish everyone because of the minority.
Well thats the case as drinking is a problem, first country to bring in a minimum unit price but there are other benifits here inc Free personal care, Free prescriptions, Scrapping of tuition fees, Banning fracking, Baby boxes, Council Tax bills are lower, pay rise for public servants, highest NHS pay rise in the UK, bus pass for everyone aged over 60 and eligible disabled people and 5-21 year olds, free sanitary products available in schools colleges and universities, free tuition, school meal for all children in primaries 1 to 3, Free, high quality childcare, no Bedroom Tax, no bridge tolls etc etc
Waits for all the lol , thumbs down emojis etc.
Really before you ask why we have those things here ask yourself why you don't have it there ?
Quote from: TrevL on March 25, 2022, 11:08:38 AM
Just be grateful you don't live in Wales (and Scotland I think), they add another £4 to the price of a bottle of spirits in hope that it limits the amount some people drink. As usual, punish everyone because of the minority.
jump in the car and drive over the border and stock up every few weeks ?
Quote from: Bigmac on March 25, 2022, 11:49:03 AM
Quote from: TrevL on March 25, 2022, 11:08:38 AM
Just be grateful you don't live in Wales (and Scotland I think), they add another £4 to the price of a bottle of spirits in hope that it limits the amount some people drink. As usual, punish everyone because of the minority.
jump in the car and drive over the border and stock up every few weeks ?
This thread is about the ridiculous cost of fuel.
Quote from: Dalek on March 25, 2022, 11:53:36 AM
Quote from: Bigmac on March 25, 2022, 11:49:03 AM
Quote from: TrevL on March 25, 2022, 11:08:38 AM
Just be grateful you don't live in Wales (and Scotland I think), they add another £4 to the price of a bottle of spirits in hope that it limits the amount some people drink. As usual, punish everyone because of the minority.
jump in the car and drive over the border and stock up every few weeks ?
This thread is about the ridiculous cost of fuel.
Convert you car to run on Alcohol?? >:D
Quote from: PLD on March 25, 2022, 01:24:29 PM
Quote from: Dalek on March 25, 2022, 11:53:36 AM
Quote from: Bigmac on March 25, 2022, 11:49:03 AM
Quote from: TrevL on March 25, 2022, 11:08:38 AM
Just be grateful you don't live in Wales (and Scotland I think), they add another £4 to the price of a bottle of spirits in hope that it limits the amount some people drink. As usual, punish everyone because of the minority.
jump in the car and drive over the border and stock up every few weeks ?
This thread is about the ridiculous cost of fuel.
Convert you car to run on Alcohol?? >:D
Not sure that would be legal, certainly have to pay duty and vat and tax and some other form of "legal" extortion on it as well i suppose.
I am surprised that there isn't any diesel electric/hydraulic cars yet though, well none i am aware of.
Quote from: PLD on March 25, 2022, 01:24:29 PM
Quote from: Dalek on March 25, 2022, 11:53:36 AM
Quote from: Bigmac on March 25, 2022, 11:49:03 AM
Quote from: TrevL on March 25, 2022, 11:08:38 AM
Just be grateful you don't live in Wales (and Scotland I think), they add another £4 to the price of a bottle of spirits in hope that it limits the amount some people drink. As usual, punish everyone because of the minority.
jump in the car and drive over the border and stock up every few weeks ?
This thread is about the ridiculous cost of fuel.
Convert you car to run on Alcohol?? >:D
what, at £16.00 a litre for supermarket's own brand whisky ?
mind you, the way things are going, it might end up cheaper !
can a car be breathalyzed and charged with being drunk in charge of a driver :hmmm:
Quote from: Dalek on March 25, 2022, 01:29:30 PM
I am surprised that there isn't any diesel electric/hydraulic cars yet though, well none i am aware of.
:hmmm: Every hybrid when running in mixed mode, is effectively operating as a Diesel/Petrol-Electric, though admittedly most are (over) complicated by a parallel mechanical drive.
True D-E with only electric final drive, and the ICE driving only a generator/alternator is a more popular opinion for buses.
I, can't see what D-H would offer for a private car, it's relatively inefficient on fuel consumption, bulky and needs careful regular maintenance. The big advantage in railway use is the high starting torque, which simply isn't needed in the average family hatchback...
Quote from: PLD on March 25, 2022, 02:05:10 PM
Quote from: Dalek on March 25, 2022, 01:29:30 PM
I am surprised that there isn't any diesel electric/hydraulic cars yet though, well none i am aware of.
:hmmm: Every hybrid when running in mixed mode, is effectively operating as a Diesel/Petrol-Electric, though admittedly most are (over) complicated by a parallel mechanical drive.
True D-E with only electric final drive, and the ICE driving only a generator/alternator is a more popular opinion for buses.
I, can't see what D-H would offer for a private car, it's relatively inefficient on fuel consumption, bulky and needs careful regular maintenance. The big advantage in railway use is the high starting torque, which simply isn't needed in the average family hatchback...
Mght be usefull in an HGV though...
Quote from: Dalek on March 25, 2022, 03:09:08 PMMght be usefull in an HGV though...
Diesel-Hydraulic??
It hasn't been developed to a commercially viable product so far; so I can't see why anyone would wish to invest in it now, when it will be banned from sale in less than 8 years time will all other Petrol/diesel technologies... ???
off topic, but in view of the comments made re Scotland, I decided I'd add an anecdote [you can't be charged for that, honest]
when, many years ago, we bought a house up in Scotland, with the intention of moving up there [scuppered by SWMBO changing her 'mind' :censored:] we chose the new carpets, and arranged to have the company measure and fit when we went up there after completion on the house.
'you need to remove the existing carpets, our fitters will fit the new ones'
:hmmm:
with experience of the local council down here, I was ready [ :veryangry:] for the call to the local council up there to arrange the [expensive] removal of the old carpets when I had lifted them.
'are you the home owner ?'
'yes'
'can you have them outside your property on xx/xx/xx for the crew to collect them ?'
'yes'
'that will be fine'
'err, how much will it cost me [at that time down here it cost £10 per 5 minutes] ?'
'you say you own the property ?'
'yes :-\'
'it's free'
not only that, but when they collected the old carpets they even swept up where I had stacked them to remove all the old underlay pieces !
and yes, I DID GO OUT AND GIVE THEM A TIP !
down here you don't get service from the council like that.
and, unless senility has overtaken me, IIRC you paid council tax and water rates as one, and a :censored: lot less than the council tax + water rate ['clean water in'] and sewage [dirty water out] that we were paying down here.
English councils could learn a lot from the Scottish system, and there were loads of distilleries nearby as well :*( :*( :*(
IF ONLY I'D TOLD SWMBO that we were moving, whether she had changed her mind or not :-[
yes, like I would have survived a comment like that :hmmm:
It's easy to do such things when the Barnett formula gives Scotland approximately 20% more per person to spend,
So in 2028-19
England was allocated £9,296 per person,
Scotland was allocated £11,242 per person,
Wales was allocated £10,656 per person,
Northern Ireland was allocated £11,590 per person.
Joel Barnett himself admits the formula was incorrect, it wasn't supposed to last this long nor give Scotland the advantage it does.
As for diesel electrics, my motor boat is D-E it's an indirect system, so it has a generator not a drive diesel.
It saves a lot of fuel, mostly because on short journeys I don't need to run the generator, the solar panels topping up the battery pack.
Quote from: The Q on March 26, 2022, 06:30:35 AM
It's easy to do such things when the Barnett formula gives Scotland approximately 20% more per person to spend,
So in 2028-19
England was allocated £9,296 per person,
Scotland was allocated £11,242 per person,
Wales was allocated £10,656 per person,
Northern Ireland was allocated £11,590 per person.
Joel Barnett himself admits the formula was incorrect, it wasn't supposed to last this long nor give Scotland the advantage it does.
Read this...
https://www.businessforscotland.com/the-barnett-formula-myth-destroyed-it-does-not-subsidise-scotland/ (https://www.businessforscotland.com/the-barnett-formula-myth-destroyed-it-does-not-subsidise-scotland/)
local Tesco today, Petrol £1.62.9p per litre, diesel £1.67.9p.
comoing down, slowly :thumbsup:
Barnett or not, those living in Scotland, N. Ireland, Wales and London get the most spent on them:
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/country-and-regional-analysis-2020/country-and-regional-analysis-november-2020 (https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/country-and-regional-analysis-2020/country-and-regional-analysis-november-2020)
Steven B.
Quote from: Steven B on March 28, 2022, 03:50:40 PM
Barnett or not, those living in Scotland, N. Ireland, Wales and London get the most spent on them:
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/country-and-regional-analysis-2020/country-and-regional-analysis-november-2020 (https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/country-and-regional-analysis-2020/country-and-regional-analysis-november-2020)
Steven B.
Like to see the same "info" per land mass
What's land mass got to do with it?
let's you fudge the numbers >:D
Quote from: class37025 on March 28, 2022, 04:49:11 PM
let's you fudge the numbers >:D
Lets you do it properly more like
Quote from: chrism on March 28, 2022, 04:47:34 PM
What's land mass got to do with it?
Didn't Tina Turner sing that? :dunce:
Quote from: Newportnobby on March 29, 2022, 03:18:38 PM
Quote from: chrism on March 28, 2022, 04:47:34 PM
What's land mass got to do with it?
Didn't Tina Turner sing that? :dunce:
Naw she sang whats stealing all your natural resources got to do with it :smiley-laughing: ;)
If it wasn't for the continuing fluctuating fuel prices I'd say this thread has rather run its course.
Or perhaps that should be "run off course".
:(
back on course I'd say, obviously referring to 'Scottish Oil', or has that all run out now ?
remember the discussion on Porridge ? :smiley-laughing:
Quote from: class37025 on March 29, 2022, 04:36:45 PM
remember the discussion on Porridge ? :smiley-laughing:
Whats Ronnie Barker got to do with it?? ???
Quote from: PLD on March 29, 2022, 07:55:46 PM
Quote from: class37025 on March 29, 2022, 04:36:45 PM
remember the discussion on Porridge ? :smiley-laughing:
Whats Ronnie Barker got to do with it?? ???
Well I don't know about you but I've got a filling station near me that's 'Open All Hours'. Is that it? :hmmm:
Don't know if this is indicative of the future or not but nearly half the diesel pumps were off at our local Sainsbury FS last night.
Quote from: PLD on March 29, 2022, 07:55:46 PM
Quote from: class37025 on March 29, 2022, 04:36:45 PM
remember the discussion on Porridge ? :smiley-laughing:
Whats Ronnie Barker got to do with it?? ???
I nearly asked whether Tina Turner sang that but stopped myself just in time :sweat:
Quote from: class37025 on March 29, 2022, 04:36:45 PM
back on course I'd say, obviously referring to 'Scottish Oil', or has that all run out now ?
Geologists baffled as to why North Sea oil reserves shrink and expand in direct correlation with imminence, or not, of Scottish independence. ::)
But, Renewables met 97% of Scotland's electricity demand in 2020 so that good ehh.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56530424 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56530424)
Sorry i feel dirty linking a post from the BBC :sick:
Quote from: PLD on March 29, 2022, 07:55:46 PM
Quote from: class37025 on March 29, 2022, 04:36:45 PM
remember the discussion on Porridge ? :smiley-laughing:
Whats Ronnie Barker got to do with it?? ???
in the episode where Napper Wainright replaces mr Mackay, IIRC, Fletch gets in a discussion with the others about
North Sea 'scottish oil'with McLaren
Quote from: class37025 on March 30, 2022, 09:57:16 AM
Quote from: PLD on March 29, 2022, 07:55:46 PM
Quote from: class37025 on March 29, 2022, 04:36:45 PM
remember the discussion on Porridge ? :smiley-laughing:
Whats Ronnie Barker got to do with it?? ???
in the episode where Napper Wainright replaces mr Mackay, IIRC, Fletch gets in a discussion with the others about North Sea 'scottish oil'with McLaren
Is this the era of bless this house and alf garnett and all that other racist :poop: ?
Did they do one with Morris Dancing in it or was it just all about haggis, whisky and poor people possibly from another country ? :hmmm: :smiley-laughing:
[gmod]Citing the outdated perceptions of bygone 'sitcoms' is not really helpful and not really relevant. Can we just go back to Fuel Prices please?[/gmod]
Tesco Burgess Hill, £1.62.9p for petrol, £1.73.9p for diesel, but several diesel pumps have signs on saying out of order.
so diesel shortage heading this way ?
and not long ago governments of different parties were promoting diesel against petrol, before they got the 'leccie' bug.
amazing how quickly they can change their minds, but where is the sparkie stuff coming from ?
Quote from: class37025 on March 30, 2022, 03:53:55 PM
Tesco Burgess Hill, £1.62.9p for petrol, £1.73.9p for diesel, but several diesel pumps have signs on saying out of order.
so diesel shortage heading this way ?
and not long ago governments of different parties were promoting diesel against petrol, before they got the 'leccie' bug.
amazing how quickly they can change their minds, but where is the sparkie stuff coming from ?
ISTR it being said, at the start of the Ukraine situation, that a significant proportion of our diesel comes (came, now) from Russia, ready refined. Whereas, I presume, most if not all of our petrol is refined in the UK.
Whether that is because of pricing/availability or due to the type(s) of crude oil (*) I don't know.
(*) Not all crude oils are the same, what can be got out of them varies with source. ISTR that we never have been and never would be fully self-sufficient in oil, despite all the North Sea oil, because that is great for lubricants, plastics, etc. but less good for fuels so we've had to sell a lot of the North Sea stuff to other countries who want lubricants, etc. and buy in other sources for fuels.
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:smackedface:
Good to see you back... I think :beers:
how can diesel go up by 2p a litre when they haven't got any, and haven't had any for days :veryangry:
The activities of the Eco fraternity are causing significant shortages in parts of london
Especially around.Chiswick roundabout!
http://www.ealingtoday.co.uk/default.asp?section=community&link=http://neighbournet.com/server/common/congunnersburyave029.htm (http://www.ealingtoday.co.uk/default.asp?section=community&link=http://neighbournet.com/server/common/congunnersburyave029.htm)
Quote from: Railwaygun on April 15, 2022, 05:53:54 PM
The activities of the Eco fraternity are causing significant shortages in parts of london
Especially around.Chiswick roundabout!
http://www.ealingtoday.co.uk/default.asp?section=community&link=http://neighbournet.com/server/common/congunnersburyave029.htm (http://www.ealingtoday.co.uk/default.asp?section=community&link=http://neighbournet.com/server/common/congunnersburyave029.htm)
Dunno why Old Bill piddled around getting a crane to remove the idiots. They'd apparently glued themselves to the tanker so it could have easily continued its deliveries with no chance of the idiots falling off.
One way to unstick them might be to drive the tanker to its depot and put it through the 'Tanker Wash'. The detergent may dissolve the glue, and if not, the revolving brushes would do the trick. >:D
I think a naked flame would do a far better job. It may melt the glue though and we don't want that do we? Well, do we? :D
Is that the roundabout next to Fuller's brewery ?
Maybe they spent too much time in the testing room ?
You think road diesel is expensive? One boat yard on the broads is now charging £2.25 a litre. They changed to laws on marine fuel so if I go to a boat yard they now pay the same taxes on the roads.. but with their small quantities sold they charge more for the red diesel., I'll be using a jerry can of white from Tesco's in future..
£1.74.9 per litre, but haven't had any for several days, though the price has gone up by 2p in the meantime .
as of my visit earlier today, Tesco at Burgess hill has both diesel and petrol...
but what is E5, E10, B7 ?
"Both E5 and E10 are unleaded petrol but E10 contains a higher proportion of bio-ethanol - up to 10% compared with a maximum of 5% in E5. This higher bio-ethanol content - obtained from renewable sources - helps to reduce the CO2 emissions from vehicles but slightly reduces their fuel efficiency"
There is plenty of debate on various forums as to which is best - but that is a whole new can of worms! :)
And for B7 -
"Diesel B7 is a fuel with added biocomponents of up to 7%, which meets the requirements of the European diesel standard EN590. The fuel has a low sulfur content for the benefit of the environment. B7 Truckdiesel (sic) has good lubrication properties, which provide trouble-free operation."
so basically, the fuels are eco friendly, and come with eco protesters superglued to the roof.
what is it with these :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored:
and why do we need to conform with the EU requirements when we are no longer members ?
Quote from: Redcap244 on April 16, 2022, 04:53:31 PM
and why do we need to conform with the EU requirements when we are no longer members ?
Because 1. we were part of the EU when the current standards were defined & 2. the UK was one of the instigators of standardising fuel standards - prior to that, there was some horrid stuff watered down with ditchwater being sold as petrol in some parts of Europe...
bet it worked on Lada's :D
Quote from: Redcap244 on April 16, 2022, 05:10:32 PM
bet it worked on Lada's :D
if and when the Lada's worked :smiley-laughing:
what was the east german car they made out of papier machie |?
warthog ?
or was that the USAF thing, with the big gun ?
Quote from: Redcap244 on April 16, 2022, 04:53:31 PM
and why do we need to conform with the EU requirements when we are no longer members ?
That's not new. It became mandatory in 2019 to display, when we were still part of the EU. Certainly not aiming for a gentle non-combative introduction to the forum are you?! :worried:
We've had a bit of a shortage around here lately too, is it nationwide? I didn't even realise until I went to fill up the other day and there was a huge queue and only half the pumps working. 162.9p for unleaded. Didn't even bother looking at super at that price; I do get marginally better economy, but not enough to justify it.
Quote from: Redcap244 on April 16, 2022, 06:34:23 PM
what was the east german car they made out of papier machie |?
I think you're thinking about the Trabant.
It was (or the one's that are still about, are), made of "Duraplast" which was a type of fibreglass;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duroplast (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duroplast)
Quote from: njee20 on April 16, 2022, 06:51:14 PM
Certainly not aiming for a gentle non-combative introduction to the forum are you?! :worried:
Hello class37025! Welcome back to the forum with your new account.
Ahhhhhhhhh! All becomes clear, no change then :smiley-laughing:
The excessive use of the :censored: emoji was a give away at least.
How's HB, Alan :D
Quote from: PLD on April 16, 2022, 05:01:04 PM
Quote from: Redcap244 on April 16, 2022, 04:53:31 PM
and why do we need to conform with the EU requirements when we are no longer members ?
Because 1. we were part of the EU when the current standards were defined & 2. the UK was one of the instigators of standardising fuel standards - prior to that, there was some horrid stuff watered down with ditchwater being sold as petrol in some parts of Europe...
Yes,the first time I took a car to the continent the AA warned about fuel standards in rural areas and certain countries. The rule suggested was always buy the best grade they have in stock.
again, this has not appeared in my unread posts ....
just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they are not out to get you >:D
perhaps my trying to set my settings was worse than I thought....
OK, I admit, I am the poster, previously known as Class37025....
before my account worked, now it doesn't, even though @only me has tried to sort it.
a new name, a new attempt to be a more responsible member...
and @newportnobby, HB is shedding his winter coat everywhere, in spite of two grooming sessions a day
:censored: huskies :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:
What I don't get Alan, why Redcap244 and not Snowdrop244? :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:
I just went to my local filling station for a diesel fill-up as I'm off to Derbyshire tomorrow.
There was a slight queue.
As I sat patiently awaiting my turn, the diesel price on the main signage flashed briefly as the price increased from £1.659 to £1.689! :censored:
Petrol price remained the same at £1.539, so 15p less than I had to fork out.
Tillman (might be his name ;) ) just laughed when I mentioned it as I mortgaged my life again.
Still cheaper than anywhere within 25 miles of my house though. Just thought they had a bloomin' cheek!
HONEY I'M HOME,
suitably chastened, and with thanks to @Tank (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2) for sorting out the misunderstanding.
I have turned, hopefully, a new leaf, my account will now allow me to view the threads I want to, and I will try to ignore those that irritate me.
and,
HB is leaving great clumps of hair everywhere, so I will be busy with both grooming him to remove his winter undercoat, and hoovering under supervision by SWMBO :-[
but there will still be time for trains, SWMBO permitting :*(
Quote from: TrevL on April 18, 2022, 10:40:51 PM
What I don't get Alan, why Redcap244 and not Snowdrop244? :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:
to be honest ?
snowdrops sat in the guardroom drinking tea while we fur box mechanics did the real work out in the cold / rain on the airfield >:D
but also,
when I joined up we had pay parades...
JENKINS
SIR T****244
march up to the table, salute, collect pay in left hand, salute, about turn, march away [do not think about checking your pay at the table !!!!!!!!}
with my new, hopefully more mellow :smiley-laughing: incarnation as Redcap244, a reference to my days in the TA after demob, pay went into the bank, no pay parades, and to be honest I cannot, without checking my records, remember my last 3 :-[
so, a combination, TA plus last 3 from my RAF days.
I wonder how long it will be before we go the way of the Canadians, with their defence forces, rather than our present three services, not intended as confrontational.
but maybe I'm ahead of the ball :hmmm:
probably not :-[
Been there, done that, got the tee shirt
if your name Was Bond... James Bond, you always got issued with a number with the last three of 007... Ops Wing at my last station had two James Bond 007s confusion.. Yep..
Unofficially one was known as Jimmy the other Jim..
even the forces have a sense of humour :smiley-laughing:
I bet they both got the 'shaken not stirred' taken out of them. :D
Quote from: TrevL on April 19, 2022, 04:41:47 PM
Been there, done that, got the tee shirt
should that not be shirt, tee, personal issue, x 1 :bounce:
In triplicate?
only if you 'worked' in SHQ or the stores >:D
Quote from: Redcap244 on April 21, 2022, 07:05:21 PM
only if you 'worked' in SHQ or the stores >:D
Yep when I joined up it was 4 X shirts, 1 X pair of working trousers , 1 x number 1 uniform, 4x socks black, 2 X pairs shoes, 1 X pair boots. 1 X tie black, ,1 X Wolly pully, 1x number 2 X jacket. + PT kit + 1 pair overalls.
And that was your lot for most of my career in the RAF. They much later issued a 2nd pair of number 2 trousers, and even later two pairs of light weight trousers.
Meanwhile , diesel is now 172.9 in Tesco's, up to 181.9 in local independentts.
you youngsters ..... :D
when I joined up, I think the pilot on the air experience flight, in a Hastings, was called Pontius, we got shirts collarless, collars detached, and collar studs.
and back on topic, our local Tesco has gone up another 2p to £1.76.9p for diesel, and £1.64.9 for petrol.
however, my RAF pension has gone up by £2.50 :claphappy: now, should I book that world cruise, or treat SWMBO and myself to a bag of chips :hmmm:
Quote from: Redcap244 on April 23, 2022, 09:33:55 AM
we got shirts collarless, collars detached, and collar studs.
Now that brings back memories. When I joined the Police, back in 1971, we got collarless shirts, with three collars to a shirt and the necessary studs - the front was a sod to get fixed. Probably because the collars had to be starched that much they were almost as rigid as MDF! :goggleeyes:
Just on the thread theme, I have filled the car up this morning with petrol at Euro 179.9 - about £1.52p at todays exchange rate.
but the important question is ...
did your head reach to the top of your helmet :smiley-laughing:
remember them, plods with helmets and proper uniforms,
not robo cop outfits and baseball caps >:(
I'm showing my age again, aren't I :-[
Quote from: Redcap244 on April 23, 2022, 06:08:39 PM
remember them, plods with helmets and proper uniforms,
Not only did I have a helmet and a proper uniform, I had a cape. :goggleeyes: It was actually brilliant because I could walk around with my hands in my pockets - well when I was not hiding a cigarette. :)
And back on topic - I have just looked at a website that says that petrol was 73p in 1975 - and that was for a gallon!
I remember capes, with those big, heavy, metal clasps and so on at the neck...
much more effective that a taser, wack a neere do well with a cuthroat razor with that, and he'd go down,
not, of course, that you, or indeed I in my BTP days, would have done anything like that :-[
Quote from: Redcap244 on April 23, 2022, 06:40:44 PM
not, of course, that you, or indeed I in my BTP days, would have done anything like that :-[
of course not ;)
it's here ...
the £2.00 litre of diesel
or at least at Tesco Burgess Hill yesterday, diesel was £1.99.9p per litre, and I've never seen a .1p coin for your change.
why don't they just round it up and stop all this .9p rubbish ?
It shows they're not ripping you off by charging £2.00 per litre :-X
When I first returned to the UK after a billion years at the antipodes, I stopped to put fuel in the hire car. The pump said X.02, so I gave the guy at the desk X.
Here in Australia, if it's 5 cents or less, it's rounded off the dollar below. Over 5 cents, it's rounded to the dollar above. No stuffing around with cents!
I was totally surprised when he said "You owe me 2 pence"
Got used to it though.
Tell me about it £158 to brim a transit van!! And I've got 2!!! Could be worse.........
Good ladies dad brimmed his Volvo FM on Thursday.......
Pump price was a mere £1425.00!!
Quote from: Redcap244 on June 25, 2022, 08:38:52 AM
it's here ...
the £2.00 litre of diesel
or at least at Tesco Burgess Hill yesterday, diesel was £1.99.9p per litre, and I've never seen a .1p coin for your change.
I saw 201.99p in Barrow-in-Furness on Thursday - with quite a differential between the fuels, as the same place wanted less than 190p for unleaded petrol. I didn't fill up there, though, that place is usually a ripoff.
Paid 197.9p for a fillup at Broughton-in-Furness yesterday, instead - the cheapest of the four that I passed on that journey. Their unleaded was the more common 5p or so cheaper than diesel.
Quote from: exmouthcraig on June 25, 2022, 09:18:17 AM
Tell me about it £158 to brim a transit van!! And I've got 2!!! Could be worse.........
Good ladies dad brimmed his Volvo FM on Thursday.......
Pump price was a mere £1425.00!!
and no green shield stamps, like in the old days :D
that would have filled a few books :thumbsup:
Quote from: exmouthcraig on June 25, 2022, 09:18:17 AM
Tell me about it £158 to brim a transit van!! And I've got 2!!! Could be worse.........
You must have a bigger tank on your Transit than I have then. Either that or you're using the expensive stuff. I had about 70 miles left in the tank when I put this in on Wednesday.
I have since then noticed that just about every garage around here has gone to 199.9p for diesel just to stay under the £2, even Tesco at Blandford was 199.9p. The difference between unleaded and diesel seems to be closing up too and I did see 1 garage the other day which had both diesel and unleaded at the same price :*(
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No Green Shield stamps available at any of these either :thumbsdown:
80 litre tank, and was very much into single figures on the "distance to empty"
Had an unfortunate stop at Corley Services a couple of weeks ago, the sign said
DIESEL 204.9/L
Which was about 6p more then supermarket garages, rolled upto the pump and the price on that said 214.9 stuck £50 in and went to pay
"How come your sign says 204.9 yet the pump says 214.9?"
'You used premium diesel, which is 214.9'
"Where's the 204.9 then?"
'All the pumps selling that are coned off at the moment while we mop up a fuel spill'
What's the betting they use that reason on every day with a Y in it
I think my tank is 60 litres. Is yours a long wheelbase or maybe a 6-wheeler?
I had a similar issue where the price on the totem pole was lower than on the pumps and mentioned this but all of a sudden the garage person "didn't understand English" well enough to know what I was talking about, yeah right!
I do feel that once most garages reach £2 a litre then they will start rising at crazy rates again. Should be ok though as we have had a 5p cut on the duty back in Feb/March or whenever it was. That's ok then.
Mk7 with an 80litre and the Custom runs a 72litre
It is ABSOLUTELY FARCICAL, the "official" line is the dependency on Russian oil yet we have a plan to resolve that. Unfortunately it'll take the best part of 6years to see an improvement by which time they'll be desperately trying to force us out of diesel so will keep hiking the prices.
But when our energy bills have doubled and due to increase by maybe another £1000 in October how does an electric version cost me any less ???
That explains it. I think mine is a mk9 (21 plate) and as we know things are only getting smaller as the years pass by :(
I think that basically 'they' are trying to dissuade all of us from using any form of fuel/energy, petrol, diesel, electricity, gas etc to save the planet. In a couple of generations time people will be back to living in caves and eating purple carrots the way things are going.
Filled up with E5 at the Shell station in Willerby, west Hull, this morning, for my return to North Wales. Paid £2.07 a litre, nearly swollowed my tongue :goggleeyes: >:D
I know, I'm a skeptical old :censored: ...
but when the govt drive all petrol and diesel vehicles off the roads, I wonder where they are going to get the money raised as road tax, which we all know does not pay to keep the roads in good condition, but goes into the general pot.
so presumably, those who have actually taken out a second mortgage to be able to buy an electric vehicle, and then a third mortgage to be able to pay the leccie bill to charge the thing, will be looking at having to make up the shortfall by a 'new' electric vehicle road fund.
meanwhile, of course, some countries will still be pouring out pollution into the atmosphere and continuing global warming.
or am I wrong :hmmm: :veryangry:
In EXACTLY the same way after we've stopped everyone drinking and smoking to prevent expensive operations and treatments for associated illnesses.
You have to remember that long term government strategies are based on 3 years hoping that your out of office, voted out by your own party or your voting public will forget what you told them yesterday so you can get away with it.
Mind you leaving the EU magically gifts you £350mil a week so I guess that will cover the shortfall.
Realistically the RFL brackets will have to be shifted to compensate for it, that will certainly wipe their smug grins off their faces while their waiting for the Green Light Grand Prix to take place
and let's be honest, half the fun of grand prix is the SOUND....
one run in virtual silence will lose so much of it's attraction as we watch, or don't, a procession of very expensive mobility scooters parade around a course in silence >:D
Quote from: TrevL on June 25, 2022, 03:41:13 PM
Filled up with E5 at the Shell station in Willerby, west Hull, this morning, for my return to North Wales. Paid £2.07 a litre, nearly swollowed my tongue :goggleeyes: >:D
Hi
E5 at the Shell garage where I live is 196.9 per litre about 50miles south of Hull. It was 199.9 per litre 12 days ago.
Cheers
Paul
Quote from: TrevL on June 25, 2022, 03:41:13 PM
Filled up with E5 at the Shell station in Willerby, west Hull, this morning, for my return to North Wales. Paid £2.07 a litre, nearly swollowed my tongue :goggleeyes: >:D
Know that one well - office is just across the road behind Waitrose... NEVER use that or the BP branded site opposite accessed off the A164. They are always the most expensive in the Hull area... Go to the SEWELL branded side of the BP site accessed via the shopping park, and it is usually around 2p/litre cheaper than the BP branded side for the same stuff out of the same tanks!
Cheapest E5 in Hull is invariably Sainsburys..
not been out today, other than in the fields to exercise HB,
but yesterday in Burgess Hill
Tesco £1.99.9p
Shell £1.99.9p
BP £1.99.9p
all for diesel.
no one seems to want to be the first to break to £2.00.9, but no doubt once one does, the rest will follow.
remember when prices were per GALLON ?
IIRC a gallon is 4.55 litres,
so what's that ?
£9.50p per Gallon
oh for the days of 35p a gallon, though that was for petrol [leaded of course], and before the various governments told us diesel was less polluting, how things change.
Saturday on the A34 near Harwell the filling station was 204.9p per litre.
Geoff
Quote from: Redcap244 on June 27, 2022, 01:30:27 PM
no one seems to want to be the first to break to £2.00.9, but no doubt once one does, the rest will follow.
According to a friend of my wife's, one of the local garages was showing 198.9 for diesel today, but actually charging 202.9 on the pumps - I wonder how many were suckered in and couldn't be bothered going elsewhere or filled up without noticing the per litre price on the pump?
Quote from: exmouthcraig on June 25, 2022, 09:18:17 AM
Tell me about it £158 to brim a transit van!! And I've got 2!!! Could be worse.........
Good ladies dad brimmed his Volvo FM on Thursday.......
Pump price was a mere £1425.00!!
Now costing my brother just under £2000 to fill one of his coaches, he has 17 of them to keep going. A couple of them are used for school runs but he is getting no extra from the local authority, he provides rail replacement coaches too, rail companies cannot afford to give him more funds either because their staff demand wage increases that most of the country could only dream of. The contracts to supply various sports teams with transport were negotiated when prices were 'normal' so in effect he is losing money every trip. His day trips and foreign holidays have only just managed to restart, but of course prices have had to go up a little and his customers are feeling the pinch too and there is reticence about booking trips.
He has spent 18 years building his business, from one car, to where he is today, he nearly lost everything during the pandemic and whilst the government threw money at the airlines, rail companies and bus companies, the coach industry got nothing except normal furlough payments. He treats his team with respect and fairness, they repaid this by working for nothing on several occasions during the pandemic, including himself and his manager. He took on and retrained some of the P&O guys who got sacked and replaced and helped others get new jobs. Having had no help from the government previously, they now seem hell bent on putting small companies like his out of business because they are happy to rake in massive tax profits from fuel duty and the tax paid by the fuel companies on their profits. I get that the chancellor has to balance the books but currently small businesses are being killed by this, literally, which led him to having a TIA 2 years ago.
Makes you wonder if it is even worth trying to build a business these days
That's really bad. :thumbsdown:
Put £50 of unleaded in my car at Tesco yesterday at £190.9 per litre.
Every now and then you hear a tiny voice on the news saying prices are/should be moving downwards. Maybe they should speak louder so the fuel companies might hear ::)
so how far will you £20 at£1.99.9p get you these days ? [based on local fuel prices at our Burgess Hill Tesco]
10 litres at ??? MPL ?
In my case, Alan - unknown, because the tank wasn't empty and the £50 took it to 3/4 full.
Vehicle estimated then 412 miles range.
May I refer you to your original post ?
Everyone is banging on about the cost of fuel but it doesn't affect me as I always only put £20 worth in :P
looks like a 150% inflation, must be the same as an MP's pay and allowances :-[
Quote from: Redcap244 on July 02, 2022, 04:55:25 PM
May I refer you to your original post ?
Everyone is banging on about the cost of fuel but it doesn't affect me as I always only put £20 worth in :P
looks like a 150% inflation, must be the same as an MP's pay and allowances :-[
I've also posted the Siesta is gone and replaced with a Nissan Qashbox :nerner:
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=57077.msg764159#msg764159 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=57077.msg764159#msg764159)
Quote from: Redcap244 on July 02, 2022, 02:51:16 PM
so how far will you £20 at£1.99.9p get you these days ? [based on local fuel prices at our Burgess Hill Tesco]
10 litres at ??? MPL ?
At 189.7/ltr (Shell - Arbroath on Friday) I would get approx 10.5 ltrs, I recently got a 1.5 Kia ProCeed Gt Line which averages 55mpg or 12.1 mpl, so £20 should get me, on average, and approximately, 127 miles which means it is costing me around £30 a week just to get back and forward from work. Just glad I don't drive one of my brothers coaches, or work further away from home.
Sorry to hear prices nudging up to (and over) £2 per litre for petrol in some areas of the UK.
This afternoon I saw Asda on York Road, Killingbeck, Leeds charging 185.7p per litre.
A few hundred yards away on the A64, BP and Shell charged about 10p per litre more.
However Tesco's superstore at Seacroft near the A6120 ring road charged 189.9p/litre.