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OK People,

How about an NGF vote? If you want to join in please PM me your 3 votes (1st/2nd/3rd) for UK outline diesel/electric and steam locos (6 votes in total) by end May. I will collate the votes and then we'll publish our N gauge list from the N Gauge Forum. If the response is big enough I will be happy to forward the results to Dapol and Graham Farish too. At the very least, it will be interesting to see how our list compares with the BRM.
Only votes by PM will be accepted and counted as it keeps the open forum clear of this traffic. If this works well we could attempt the same for rolling stock at a later date
Now is your chance - take it :thumbsup:

Are we voting for what we want in the future, or what is available now ?

Hi Bob, we are voting on what we would like for the future so that we can give the British outline manufacturers an informed view.

as the OP knows, some of my votes have gone to stuff available now- and thats because i want them continued forever!

As has been pointed out elsewhere, it's not a fair vote if I'm voting for a dmu. It will skew the voting in favour of steam locos. Dmus/emus need a separate category. All of course IMHO.

Cheers
Kirky

Quote from: kirky on May 11, 2012, 06:15:05 PM
As has been pointed out elsewhere, it's not a fair vote if I'm voting for a dmu. It will skew the voting in favour of steam locos. Dmus/emus need a separate category.

All very true.

Of course you could make three diesel and elelctric locomotive choices and then three multiple unit choices (to take the place of your three kettle options) to give you a total of the six allowed votes.  ;)

H.

i've gone for 3 dmu/emu and 3 kettles- is that ok?

Haven't we recently done all this for the MRE Poll ?

The MRE poll is OO and N. We wanted to run a poll that was exclusively N. Some of us may not have known about the MRE poll so our poll gives all of us a chance to enter.

You are right Pendy. I for one did not know about the MRE poll until I saw the results on here  :)

Marty

Thanks to Pendy for fielding the questions while I've been absent for a couple of days.

Quote from: kirky on May 11, 2012, 06:15:05 PM
As has been pointed out elsewhere, it's not a fair vote if I'm voting for a dmu. It will skew the voting in favour of steam locos. Dmus/emus need a separate category. All of course IMHO.

Cheers
Kirky

Kirky - I did answer this by saying that EMU/DMU's should be voted for in the diesel/electric section. I hope that's OK??

Quote from: tgv_obsessed on May 11, 2012, 07:01:18 PM
i've gone for 3 dmu/emu and 3 kettles- is that ok?

Yup :thumbsup:

Quote from: Chinahand on May 12, 2012, 08:58:09 AM
Haven't we recently done all this for the MRE Poll ?

Yes ...

AND that one in Oz ...

Do we really need another poll ?  Especially as (no doubt) "other" sites will do the same, & send the results to B, D & H (OK, maybe not H from here  :P) and confuse things more & more ... "My poll says that modellers want A B & C", "No, my poll says the same modellers want J K & L", "No, you're both wrong, my poll says the same modellers want X Y & Z"  :o

By all means, go for it if you like filling in polls ... personally I'm not bothering, as I doubt any real attention is paid to any of them !

Mike

Mike, a-b-c, j-k-l, x-y-z to b-d-h. I'm confused, I'll stick with an Aspinal L&Y fom U/M.
Cheers john. ;D.

Quote from: newportnobby on May 12, 2012, 05:15:13 PM
Thanks to Pendy for fielding the questions while I've been absent for a couple of days.

Quote from: kirky on May 11, 2012, 06:15:05 PM
As has been pointed out elsewhere, it's not a fair vote if I'm voting for a dmu. It will skew the voting in favour of steam locos. Dmus/emus need a separate category. All of course IMHO.

Cheers
Kirky

Kirky - I did answer this by saying that EMU/DMU's should be voted for in the diesel/electric section. I hope that's OK??

It's only ok if I can vote for three emu's/dmu's #and# three diesels. As H said it will skew results if emus/dmus are included in diesels, but if I can vote for them under steamers, then fine.

Cheers
Kirky

Go for it, Kirky.
Some voters have said they have no interest in steamers.
Helpless souls. Someone needs to guide them onto the true path :angel: :smiley-laughing:

Only 33 members have voted so far, but there is a stand out leader in the steam section and a surprisingly popular diesel.
Over to you, people.

So where is everybody? This is a chance to help determine what might get made RTR in a few years time.  Might also help what kits get made available too.  Get voting!  Newportnobby has nothing else to do...

My voting was for diesels and MUs. No steam, sorry.  So i split my three votes between diesels and MUs.  should i add votes to mine and do three MUs and three diesels?

Quote from: Mustermark on May 14, 2012, 02:15:51 PM
Might also help what kits get made available too

Ho ho. Truth is almost every kit loco/coach/wagon is made because the producer of the kit wanted one. This are quite a few reasons for this. The big one being that worked out on a pure commercial basis a kit commission is probably upwards of £3K, primarily in man hours.

if you want a kit of something badly you usually have to do it yourself.

Alan

That is why I made the 166 cab ends!  I made an enquiry at the BHE stand at TINGS in 2009, and that is exactly what he told me... "why dont you make your own", so i did!

Quote from: Mustermark on May 14, 2012, 02:15:51 PM


My voting was for diesels and MUs. No steam, sorry.  So i split my three votes between diesels and MUs.  should i add votes to mine and do three MUs and three diesels?

Go for it, Mark :thumbsup:
As you say, I've nothing else to do ::)

I have voted in both categories. Let's make this poll reflect what front line modellers want to see RtR in the future not what a perhaps slightly biased rail model press comes up with to sell more copies and appease it's big railway model manufacturer sponsors.

Let's see you all vote and hopefully make a difference for our hobby in terms of what we see released in the future.

Quote from: OwL729 on May 14, 2012, 04:23:38 PM
I have voted in both categories. Let's make this poll reflect what front line modellers want to see RtR in the future not what a perhaps slightly biased rail model press comes up with to sell more copies and appease it's big railway model manufacturer sponsors.

Let's see you all vote and hopefully make a difference for our hobby in terms of what we see released in the future.

who are the manufacturers making models for if it isn't modellers? the thing is i agree with you, but i dont really know why!

The train set brigade ... modellers are probably a smaller part than little Jimmy demanding his parents buy him "the shiney blue one there"  ::)

We tend to want a particular engine, in just that livery it had for the short period between it left here & went there  :evil:

Mike

Quote from: MikeDunn on May 14, 2012, 06:21:38 PM
The train set brigade ... modellers are probably a smaller part than little Jimmy demanding his parents buy him "the shiney blue one there"  ::)

Also collectors who are a significant market.

I don't quite get painstakingly building up piles of models in boxes by number. It's about as exciting as bus spotting in rural Scotland - but some people seem too. I guess they never got over the little football stickers.

Now is there anyone else I've forgotten to insult ?

COME ON YOU LOT !!!!

Get voting - PM newportnobby with your favourites - now is that chance you've always wanted tell the manufacturers what YOU want...

It will take more than 33 votes to make them take notice....  >:(

My votes are in....  :NGAUGE:

I've now voted in the  :NGF: most wanted survey.  :thumbsup:
Have you? Come on peeps, get voting!

I put down an varied mixture but all not currently available.
And no, I didn't choose Irish outline.
Tempting as it was...  :evil:

Quote from: newportnobby on May 12, 2012, 07:10:16 PM
Go for it, Kirky.
Some voters have said they have no interest in steamers.
Helpless souls. Someone needs to guide them onto the true path :angel: :smiley-laughing:

Is that the path that leads to Woodhams? :smiley-laughing:

As people arn't voting - can I vote twice? - Maybe I can get my Networker or Electrostar to the top of the list after all... :computersmile:

:Class414:

Quote from: 4x2 on May 14, 2012, 06:44:38 PM

It will take more than 33 votes to make them take notice....  >:(

Multiply the results by 10  :evil:

Quote from: Greybeema on May 16, 2012, 06:36:32 AM
As people arn't voting - can I vote twice? - Maybe I can get my Networker or Electrostar to the top of the list after all... :computersmile:

:Class414:

Nice idea (particularly as I'm a fan of the Electrostar too) but no.

April/May's Modern Locomotives Illustrated is about the Electrostar family with terrific pictures of Southeastern ones.

Quote from: Pendy on May 16, 2012, 06:28:27 AM

Quote from: newportnobby on May 12, 2012, 07:10:16 PM
Go for it, Kirky.
Some voters have said they have no interest in steamers.
Helpless souls. Someone needs to guide them onto the true path :angel: :smiley-laughing:

Is that the path that leads to Woodhams? :smiley-laughing:

Ouch - that one hurt :'(

Quote from: Pendy on May 16, 2012, 06:28:27 AM
Is that the path that leads to Woodhams? :smiley-laughing:

Woodhams has gone, anyway they saved lots of stuff - Cashmores perhaps ?

http://tonystatham.smugmug.com/Trains/Cashmores-scrapyard-Newport/17492495_cBmmnP#!i=1331279219&k=zkJVQ9n&lb=1&s=A (http://tonystatham.smugmug.com/Trains/Cashmores-scrapyard-Newport/17492495_cBmmnP#)

"Which one's Thomas ?"

I'd like a blue class 31 - retooled would be good - surely any manufacturer would get some liage from a new 31 tooling. And who is really going to buy the lima n cct of ebay for £28. Some retailers must think we are fools with no other commitments. This is my hobby, I still have a home and family too!

Quote from: Shaun Harvey on May 16, 2012, 12:19:31 PM
And who is really going to buy the lima n cct of ebay for £28. Some retailers must think we are fools with no other commitments. This is my hobby, I still have a home and family too!

They can be picked up for about £8 in my experience (except the tartan arrow one). I've got a small rake of the Lima Mark 1 CCT and they are nice models. One of the final Lima fling where they actually discovered scale. Chassis is a spot out but not vastly, and with a quick tweak you can fit modern wheels.

I would like to vote for

1. S.R. USA tank

2. S.R. King Arthur Class S15

3. S.R. Schools class

Now it wont take a brain surgeon to know where I live!

Regards

Chris

My 3 top steam locos would be:

1)ex-GCR 04 or ROD
2)ex-GCR C13 4-4-2 tank
3)ex-GCR J11 0-6-0 Pom Pom

top 3 diesels/electrics would be

1)Class 76/EM1
2)Deby lightweight DMU
3)Any classes 81 - 85 - 85 seems like a good bet

Can I please ask everyone to stick to using PM's to me for their votes?
I have logged the votes of Seawise and Alastair B, but all voting should be by PM please.
Thank you :thumbsup:

Just PM'd my vote.
All steam apart from one EMU :evil:

My votes are in :thumbsup:

Cheers, Anthony

What I would like to see is a class 9f which Bachmann has in HO only.

Quote from: 2Bailey22 on May 19, 2012, 04:55:41 PM
What I would like to see is a class 9f which Bachmann has in HO only.

Dapol already make the 9F,
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DAPOL-ND090M-9F-92133-BR-Black-Late-Crest-Weathered-NEW-/260997684981?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item3cc4ac9ef5 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DAPOL-ND090M-9F-92133-BR-Black-Late-Crest-Weathered-NEW-/260997684981?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item3cc4ac9ef5)
Some left from the last batch and it looks like annother batch is coming as it's on pre-order with Rails of Sheffield

Thanks to evreyone who has voted, and sorry I can't reply to all the PM's (time does not allow it).
Any amendments have been made where requested.
Please keep the votes coming as it is only by informing Dapol/Farish not just what we'd like but also the number of votes cast that they might, just might, take heed and do something.

Thanks again :thumbsup:

How do I vote.   Ray

How do I vote.   Ray
With a PM to Newportnobby!  ;)
Gerard

For those new to forums, a PM is a private message and can be sent to an individual rather than posted to the topic or thread for all to see.

You can search for a member using the "members" button in the menu near the top of each page and there should be an option to send them a PM.

Or... If you find a post by that member, e.g. Newportnobby's message about the poll, then the PM icon is on the left under the member's description... There are little icons at the bottom of their details, and the PM icon is the sort of speech bubble one.

Then you write your message.  Check the To has the right member's name in and send message much like when posting on a thread.  Except it only goes to that (or those) member(s) you addressed it to.

I have sent a reply to 'tank'.  He has not replied so far.
Ray

ah, but 1) the pm ought to go to 'newportnobby' and 2) he's posted that he might not reply

So, how's it going so far?

How many voters and what's this weeks top ten?

And bubbling under is......

H.

 a Railway Handcar in Toothpaste livery got a vote- now I wonder who did that!

Quote from: H on May 20, 2012, 07:43:26 PM
So, how's it going so far?

How many voters and what's this weeks top ten?

And bubbling under is......

H.

As of today we have over 100 voters :thumbsup: Keep 'em coming, folks :)
There are clear leaders in the steam and diesel loco sections but the others are very tight. That's all I'll say :-X
I know it is a wish-list but there is voting for some very obscure stuff that will never be considered mainstream by Dapol/Farish. It would help our cause if this was taken into consideration when casting your votes
Thanks again to all who have voted :beers:

Quote from: tgv_obsessed on May 20, 2012, 09:25:28 PM
a Railway Handcar in Toothpaste livery got a vote- now I wonder who did that!

Really?!   ;D  It wasn't me, but I'd shake the person by the hand for the crazy idea. :smiley-laughing:

LMS Big Bertha Licky Banker, Since thats not posible City of Birmingham Duchess class 46235

Quote from: shaky on May 30, 2012, 06:06:28 PM
LMS Big Bertha Licky Banker, Since thats not posible City of Birmingham Duchess class 46235

On Farishs' releases for this year

Quote from: newportnobby on May 20, 2012, 10:00:46 PM
there is voting for some very obscure stuff that will never be considered mainstream by Dapol/Farish.

If we don't ask we don't get.  ;)

Anyway, some of the more obscure stuff may well jolt a thought or two for future productions.

Quote from: tcinbg on June 01, 2012, 11:06:16 PM

Quote from: newportnobby on May 20, 2012, 10:00:46 PM
there is voting for some very obscure stuff that will never be considered mainstream by Dapol/Farish.

If we don't ask we don't get.  ;)

Anyway, some of the more obscure stuff may well jolt a thought or two for future productions.

Nice idea but my thinking is that these manufacturers are firmly in the zone of hard nosed business realities. Unless they can see a market for an obscure product I would not think it would even be considered as there would just be too much risk. Even the Blue Pullman is surely a calculated risk?

There IS possibly a case for having a think from the perspective of whether a model is really a realistic proposal and if not, not diluting the vote by putting it on the list. For example I would love a D34 "Glen" but unless Mr Heard from Union Mills decides to do one I see zero prospect realistically of one being made RTR so no point in voting for it.

Therefore a sensible logic COULD, in the case of Bachmann be to start with looking at the 00 range and ask what realistically might be scaled down from existing CAD: -

Steam: -

- Ivatt "Flying Pig".
- K3 2-6-0 (Pretty pleease!!).
- BR Standard 4 4-6-0.
- Rebuilt Patriot.
- Unrebuilt Patriot.
- V1/V3 2-6-2 Tank.
- Class 56 xx 0-6-2T.
- N Class 2-6-0.
- ROD 2-8-0 (Yeah right!).
- S&D 7F 2-8-0 (As above!).
- Upgraded "Crab" (More realistic).

- Brand new from ground up possibles..

- 8F
- King
- Castle (Probably a hugely popular choice).

Diesel: -

- Class 105 DMU.
- Upgraded Class 25.
- Upgraded Class 40.
- Class 416 EMU.
- Motor Luggage Van.

Diesel types are actually amazingly well covered in N even now but if brand new from the ground up, how about: -

- Clayton Class 17.
- Metrovic Co-Bo.

Anyway these are just my thoughts, everyone is of course entitled to a different view and will vote as thes see fit I am sure.

Roy

Roy - have you been hacking into my spreadsheet :o :smiley-laughing:

Quote from: shaky on May 30, 2012, 06:06:28 PM
LMS Big Bertha Licky Banker, Since thats not posible City of Birmingham Duchess class 46235

I've got a 3D model of bits of Big Bertha I was playing with but it's an awkward one for the chassis and I'm currently still learning how to get some of the shapes to work (in particular the firebox shapes are not fun)

Quote from: newportnobby on May 20, 2012, 10:00:46 PM

Quote from: H on May 20, 2012, 07:43:26 PM
So, how's it going so far?

How many voters and what's this weeks top ten?

And bubbling under is......

H.

As of today we have over 100 voters :thumbsup: Keep 'em coming, folks :)
There are clear leaders in the steam and diesel loco sections but the others are very tight. That's all I'll say :-X
I know it is a wish-list but there is voting for some very obscure stuff that will never be considered mainstream by Dapol/Farish. It would help our cause if this was taken into consideration when casting your votes
Thanks again to all who have voted :beers:

Hi

Sorry but some of the obscure stuff is what I would like and therefore would vote for. If you are not interested in a true picture why bother?

Cheers

Paul

Quote from: PaulCheffus on June 03, 2012, 01:26:12 PM

Quote from: newportnobby on May 20, 2012, 10:00:46 PM

Quote from: H on May 20, 2012, 07:43:26 PM
So, how's it going so far?

How many voters and what's this weeks top ten?

And bubbling under is......

H.

As of today we have over 100 voters :thumbsup: Keep 'em coming, folks :)
There are clear leaders in the steam and diesel loco sections but the others are very tight. That's all I'll say :-X
I know it is a wish-list but there is voting for some very obscure stuff that will never be considered mainstream by Dapol/Farish. It would help our cause if this was taken into consideration when casting your votes
Thanks again to all who have voted :beers:

Hi

Sorry but some of the obscure stuff is what I would like and therefore would vote for. If you are not interested in a true picture why bother?

Cheers

Paul

Hi Paul

There is no reason why you shouldn't vote as you say I guess, and if it is either a vote for an obscure item or no vote at all, it will likely make no difference to the outcome.

However, manufacturers make commercial decisions based on their own Market Research and projected unit sales so tempering the decision by maybe discounting that obscure first choice as unrealistic, and instead voting for a more viable choice that still interests you but is further down your list may result in something getting made rather than nothing.

That's how I see it anyway.

Regards

Roy

Obscure sells sometimes (and dives others)

Look at the success of the research livery stock and Network Rail stuff. Ask Adam how well the EWS train sells.  All those blue pullman pre-orders.

Even in the kit space this is often true. I've sold more four wheel hearses than any individual other four wheel coach I think !

Alan

Quote from: EtchedPixels on June 03, 2012, 03:01:38 PM
Obscure sells sometimes (and dives others)

Look at the success of the research livery stock and Network Rail stuff. Ask Adam how well the EWS train sells.  All those blue pullman pre-orders.

Even in the kit space this is often true. I've sold more four wheel hearses than any individual other four wheel coach I think !

Alan

Hi Alan

I am sure that you are much better informed than me, and in truth I am glad to hear it.

There are obscure models (well actually some not even that obscure) that I would love to own but cannot see the "big boys" ever doing.

The D49 "Shire/Hunt" 4-4-0 for one. Farish even do the "Group Standard" tender-drive for the B1 that would be totally suitable which would mitigate tooling cost but I guess even then  it will never be a model they would risk money on even with all the attractive names they carried.

I know we cannot expect everything on a plate, and in the case of the D49, I did have a go at scratchbuilding one myself with a UM tender-drive to power it, but with my limited skills my efforts will never be near the same league as what we see RTR now, and that's probably why people do not try to so much these days. Not sure if that is good or bad, but I do think it is the reality of it.

Anyway, I will upload a pic of the D49 to my media folder in case any one is interested!

Regards

Roy

I believe Roy said it all in his reply #59.
The mainstream manufacturers might take note of maybe the top 3 from each section in the belief it would sell sufficient numbers to warrant tooling.
To be sure a wish list is exactly what is says, but anything with one vote will not even register on their radar. I have no axe to grind and am just collating the results but in all honesty we will only be forwarding to the manufacturers the most popular requests in each section.

Quote from: newportnobby on June 03, 2012, 04:53:32 PM
I believe Roy said it all in his reply #59.
The mainstream manufacturers might take note of maybe the top 3 from each section in the belief it would sell sufficient numbers to warrant tooling.
To be sure a wish list is exactly what is says, but anything with one vote will not even register on their radar. I have no axe to grind and am just collating the results but in all honesty we will only be forwarding to the manufacturers the most popular requests in each section.

Hi

That's fair enough but you asked for my most wanted which is what I sent.

To answer the person who mentioned building them myself I already have but I can never hope to reach the standards of the mainstream manufacturers.

Cheers

Paul

Quote from: Roy L S on June 02, 2012, 11:32:05 AM

Diesel: -

- Class 105 DMU.
- Upgraded Class 25.
- Upgraded Class 40.
- Class 416 EMU.
- Motor Luggage Van.

Wow, a diesel class 416 (2EPB) and class 419 (MLV). That'd be something unique and diferent.  :smiley-laughing:

And, of course, the new Bachmann OO electric class 85 is missing from the list as a candidate.

H.

Quote from: PaulCheffus on June 03, 2012, 01:26:12 PM

Quote from: newportnobby on May 20, 2012, 10:00:46 PM

I know it is a wish-list but there is voting for some very obscure stuff that will never be considered mainstream by Dapol/Farish. It would help our cause if this was taken into consideration when casting your votes

Sorry but some of the obscure stuff is what I would like and therefore would vote for. If you are not interested in a true picture why bother?

Yep, I agree with Paul.

It's a wish/wants list so why consider and rule some out?

H.

Quote from: H on June 06, 2012, 07:28:42 AM

Quote from: PaulCheffus on June 03, 2012, 01:26:12 PM

Quote from: newportnobby on May 20, 2012, 10:00:46 PM

I know it is a wish-list but there is voting for some very obscure stuff that will never be considered mainstream by Dapol/Farish. It would help our cause if this was taken into consideration when casting your votes

Sorry but some of the obscure stuff is what I would like and therefore would vote for. If you are not interested in a true picture why bother?

Yep, I agree with Paul.

It's a wish/wants list so why consider and rule some out?

H.

I agree....
G.

Just to clear up any confusion - nothing is being ruled out from this survey (apart from locos already in production and even then we will make a note of these). We want a true picture of the locos that you would like the manufacturers to produce.

Just to remind you

You can vote for six "locos". You can have any combination of A) steamers, B) diesel locos and C) electric locos, D) DMUs and E) EMUs as long as you do not exceed three votes in each any one category. For example, you can vote for two EMUs, one DMU, two steamers and one diesel but, for example, you cannot vote for four steamers or six EMUs.

Quote from: Pendy on June 06, 2012, 10:50:42 AM
Just to clear up any confusion - nothing is being ruled out from this survey (apart from locos already in production and even then we will make a note of these). We want a true picture of the locos that you would like the manufacturers to produce.

Quote from: newportnobby on June 03, 2012, 04:53:32 PM
To be sure a wish list is exactly what is says, but anything with one vote will not even register on their radar. I have no axe to grind and am just collating the results but in all honesty we will only be forwarding to the manufacturers the most popular requests in each section.

Having added my two pennies worth I would just like to say that up to now this forum has been a breath of fresh air in the model railway forum world. I sincerely hope it continues in its former state.

I can understand both points of view, those of us modelling earlier eras need locomotives of an earlier period, so early that the two main producers are unlikely to make them.

We are very protective of our layouts and want to use prototypical stock. A few can scratch build them, many cannot, so we look to manufacturers to do that for us.

This poll started out as a means for us, as a group, to make our wish list plain to the major producers. Recently it does appear to have changed direction. My feeling is that it would be nice for all our wishes to be included in the lists, with of course the provision of a statement that we are aware that the producers are not likely to produce some of those asked for. At least they would be aware of a possible market that are not filling.

Quote from: tcinbg on June 06, 2012, 03:33:33 PM
Having added my two pennies worth I would just like to say that up to now this forum has been a breath of fresh air in the model railway forum world. I sincerely hope it continues in its former state.

I can understand both points of view, those of us modelling earlier eras need locomotives of an earlier period, so early that the two main producers are unlikely to make them.

We are very protective of our layouts and want to use prototypical stock. A few can scratch build them, many cannot, so we look to manufacturers to do that for us.

This poll started out as a means for us, as a group, to make our wish list plain to the major producers. Recently it does appear to have changed direction. My feeling is that it would be nice for all our wishes to be included in the lists, with of course the provision of a statement that we are aware that the producers are not likely to produce some of those asked for. At least they would be aware of a possible market that are not filling.

I agree, all votes should be entered - being an odd one out didn't stop Heljan from producing 'Lion' or 'Falcon' in 'OO'....

The other side of the coin though Mike is if we submit all the results and Dapol sees that only 1 person out of x hundreds of votes voted for a particular loco, they will just dismiss it from their though process immediately.

If we give them the top 3 or 5, it leaves that seed of doubt in their minds and with any luck they may even get back to us here and ask us to get feedback from our members on loco xyz

Quote from: Lawrence on June 06, 2012, 04:25:25 PM
The other side of the coin though Mike is if we submit all the results and Dapol sees that only 1 person out of x hundreds of votes voted for a particular loco, they will just dismiss it from their though process immediately.

If we give them the top 3 or 5, it leaves that seed of doubt in their minds and with any luck they may even get back to us here and ask us to get feedback from our members on loco xyz

To be honest it's a tough call either way...

I would like all votes to be shown in the vain hope that some of the less obvious stuff gets a look - sowing the seeds if you like....
However if only the most popular votes are shown it will leave no doubt as to what they should produce next.

Like i said - It's a tough call, i don't envy you Moderators - this is bound to upset somebody  ::)

How about sending the suppliers a percentage list, that way even a class with one vote will register.

Shantyjohn

[[/quote]

Wow, a diesel class 416 (2EPB) and class 419 (MLV). That'd be something unique and diferent.  :smiley-laughing:

And, of course, the new Bachmann OO electric class 85 is missing from the list as a candidate.

H.
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Hi H

I did notice that I should have said Diesel/Electric after I'd posted but chose not to go back and change it as I was sure people would understand the gist of what I was saying, but there's always one ;D

Yep, forgot the 85 - thanks for the reminder!

Regards

Roy

Quote from: H on June 06, 2012, 07:28:42 AM

Quote from: PaulCheffus on June 03, 2012, 01:26:12 PM

Quote from: newportnobby on May 20, 2012, 10:00:46 PM

I know it is a wish-list but there is voting for some very obscure stuff that will never be considered mainstream by Dapol/Farish. It would help our cause if this was taken into consideration when casting your votes

Sorry but some of the obscure stuff is what I would like and therefore would vote for. If you are not interested in a true picture why bother?

Yep, I agree with Paul.

It's a wish/wants list so why consider and rule some out?

H.

I agree. Every vote cast should be disclosed.

I voted era <4 for all 6 votes, because that's what I model. The steam/diesel/electric/DMU/EMU category 3 vote limit meant I had to use 3 votes for obscure classes. It means they'll probably have got just my 1 vote each, whereas a 3 votes limit per era approach would have allowed me a wider choice. Thus, it's not even a wish list for me, it's what I'd like most within the allowed constraints.

Unless there is a completely free choice, the voting system will skew the results, so we should expect to see skewed results.

If someone models only 1970s/80s western region BR then they will probably have voted for 3 diesels and 3 DMUs, because it wasn't electrified at all then, and will probably have been reasonably content with their ability to choose. If someone models pre-grouping era 2, they'd struggle to use their 6 votes and would probably not be particularly content with their ability to choose.

Dapol and Bachmann should receive the full results and the voting rules that generated the results. Then they can apply their commercial knowledge of what actually sells to the results and make a judgment. Anything short of total transparency is likely to be ignored.

The more esoteric items will just have to be left for the likes of the N Gauge society or magazines/shops to commission.
I doubt we'd have inspection saloons and snow ploughs without the society and not to mention all the rail test/technical department liviered  stuff from model zone.
Its probably best to send the manufactures our top 5's and then publish  the complete list on here so we all can see what wad voted for this year.

Actually we've had RTR snowploughs for small manufacturers for some time (not necessarily brilliant ones and certainly not a patch on the NGS one).

Departmental stuff sells, big time. Network Rail stuff sells. Bachmann are doing Network Rail test train stuff and locos now too.