I note that the Code of Conduct does not include any reference to staying on topic in a thread (other forums I use do have this rule).
Would it be possible to add this rule, and ensure it is adhered to (the other forums admittedly are not always very diligent in this respect).
If you need to comment on an entry which goes off topic (a not uncommon occurrence) then the best way to tackle it IMHO is to start a new topic appropriately headed and include in your first post a link to the topic which inspired it - a technique I've used many times on other forums, and demonstrate in the following paragraph – where I've started a new topic here instead of posting on the York Railway Station & the National Rail Museum topic.
This post has a risen as a result of my frustration with the York Railway Station & the National Rail Museum (see https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=55247.msg734855#msg734855 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=55247.msg734855#msg734855) ) topic which was originally fairly short and very rich in interesting material about the subject. It has now wandered off into a topic about Listed Buildings in the Railway Network, with the potential to dilute the original interesting (to me) topic with loads of debris about a topic which is of little interest (to me).
Another farcical example of this trait is the Code of Conduct topic itself which a quick check just revealed currently a discussion on board materials (this occurring round about entry number 500 – I ask you, over 500 responses on Rules of Conduct, it beggars belief) – and who would ever be drawn to it when encountering board material issues, "oh I've got a problem with board materials, I'll look in the Site Rules topic". (yes, I do know about the Search facility).
I admit I'm biased because I hate long meandering threads, with several obvious exceptions of course - horses for courses.
To a lesser extent I would also make a plea to avoid entries like "great thread" etc., there is a rating system available where you can express your appreciation – use it, don't clutter the Topic. If these two modifications were implemented it would reduce the York Station Topic by about 30%, leaving only those totally relevant to the topic.
I hope I'm not sounding too like Victor Meldrew :)
[End of Rant.]
What do other members think ?
This is an interesting topic.
I can totally see where you are coming from but I guess it's going to be pretty difficult to manage.
I'm probably guilty of taking some threads off topic and wandering off in all sorts of directions. However, I like the spontaneity of the forum as it is.
So....whilst I agree with what you are saying, my vote is to let sleeping dogs lie.
Just my thoughts.
Cheers
Martin
I think the moderation on here is well managed and I prefer the light touch approach to going off topic. One of the prototype forums I frequent is heavily moderated and topics are frequently split up to the extent that it is often difficult to follow a given thread as anything even slightly outwith the original post are deemed 'off topic' and split into a new thread. As an example to topic of the recent crash as Salisbury is now in nearly a dozen different topics across 3 or 4 different parts of the forum.
As to your last point, I'd no idea there was a rating system on the thread but it would help with my own personal bugbear of someone quoting a whole post (usually including multiple picture) to make a 1 line comment at the bottom.
Quote from: Jeff McGhie on November 05, 2021, 07:46:30 PM
.....my own personal bugbear of someone quoting a whole post (usually including multiple picture) to make a 1 line comment at the bottom.
@Jeff McGhie (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1361)
One of my pet bugbears too.
The rating system is under each and every post - just click on the one best suiting you
Quoting entire posts, just to say "looks great" should be a banning offence. As should posts like "I don't know, but someone will".
The trouble with stifling anything deemed off topic is that you very quickly curtail any sort of natural discussion. It's entirely natural for people to meander a little bit. Historically threads on here have been locked very keenly; at a point the discussion gets interesting, even if mildly off topic. This in turn means fewer posts and a less interesting forum.
If you want very specific discussion then a blog type site is portably more appropriate.
Hi - I too get exasperated with meandering threads, so I just abandon them to those that enjoy them. The Forum's a very 'broad church' and its easy-going vibe is much less intimidating than some other sites which are purer, but poorer for it.
You will find that certain posters and their friends are extremely focussed and business-like with little interruption, deviation or repetition, but again the tone is set by the original poster. If initiators don't mind, well ...
Formal site threads not doing what it says on the tin are unhelpful, I agree.
Mike
I must confess, ages ago I wrote a reply to the Code of Conduct thread suggesting it be locked, as that really is a thread that doesn't need lots of replies, most of them either people feeling they have to actually accept it, or posting their introductions there. I decided I didn't care that much and deleted it though.
I don't think this forum helps itself with its insane number of sub-forums, but I know others really like that. Each to their own.
Quote from: Newportnobby on November 05, 2021, 08:17:07 PM
Quote from: Jeff McGhie on November 05, 2021, 07:46:30 PM
.....my own personal bugbear of someone quoting a whole post (usually including multiple picture) to make a 1 line comment at the bottom.
And that one line hidden somewhere in the quoted text. :)
@Jeff McGhie (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1361)
One of my pet bugbears too.
The rating system is under each and every post - just click on the one best suiting you
I think the proposed changes would do permanent harm to the dynamic of the Forum.
Yes, threads sometimes go off topic and meander, I've found that a polite post requesting that we get back on topic usually sorts this. In my opinion, that's up to the OP as to whether they're happy with the direction of travel.
Yes, the Code of Conduct thread could do without replies.
Too many sub-forums? You don't have to read them, just look at the ones you wish to.
It doesn't help that the OP appears to says that he doesn't like long meandering threads, except for the ones he does like.
A few threads wander sometimes but I don't really see the harm in it. If it goes too far off topic I just stop reading.
This forum probably does have too many sub-categories, but to be honest I don't notice as I only ever call up the list of "unread posts since last visit" and delve into whatever catches my interest regardless of what sub-forum it may reside.
I'd like to think that the fact that we have been going 10 years and have almost 9000 listed members suggests we're doing something right.
Just saying, like. ;)
Quote from: OffshoreAlan on November 05, 2021, 06:01:41 PMI admit I'm biased because I hate long meandering threads, with several obvious exceptions of course - horses for courses.
What a long and meandering post... ;)
There is a distinction to be made between legitimate 'related tangents to the main discussion' which I think is a fair description of the Listed buildings deviation in the York Thread (
York Station is after all a listed building!) and the (very few) cases where someone does post something completely unrelated in a thread. 95% are probably accidental, and a simple click on the "report to Moderator" button with a clear explanation usually yields the appropriate action.
It's maybe more of an 'education' issue and a bit of flexibility/tolerance needed, rather than any additional Rules with strict enforcement.
Overall, the relatively light touch moderation compared to some more draconian fora is refreshing and welcome.
I've always considered (perhaps I am too used to unmoderated Usenet) wandering off topic to be normal - just as conversations move from topic to topic chatting to friends in the pub.
I take the view that it's up to the OP. I know my layout thread has wandered all over the place, but it doesn't bother me.... at least I know people are looking at it! ;D
Quote from: ntpntpntp on November 05, 2021, 11:19:36 PM
This forum probably does have too many sub-categories, but to be honest I don't notice as I only ever call up the list of "unread posts since last visit" and delve into whatever catches my interest regardless of what sub-forum it may reside.
Yes, I do too, but I do wonder if it can be overwhelming for new members, hence a tendency to post a welcome post in the code of conduct thread, because it's sticky and visible. Keeps a lovely trade in moving threads though!
Yes, I think that a lot of new members put their first posts there simply because they think it's the right thing to do.
Can't say I'm in favour if the change. I was involved in the listed building slight diversion. To me it seemed like a pertinent and interesting diversion. these, lets face it, slight and related sidebars, often yield interesting content. I get that some people don't like them, but I've yet to see a thread where the OP has asked for things to return to topic where it hasn't immediately happened. If people have to start being careful about what they say in a reply as whether it is on topic or not then a lot of people just aren't going to reply at all for fear of breaking the rules.
I really like the light touch moderation here, and the OP has the right to ask for their thread to be kept tight if that's what they want. An overarching rule would just restrict the forum for the benefit of a personal preference.
Thanks folks for some interesting replies (and apologies if any ruffled feathers).
I'm all in favour of light touch moderation, which I think would counter some of the objections to my suggestion since I would expect a similar approach to be taken with my new rule.
I take the point also about the OP being able to lay down ground rules (preferences really) for a topic.
I admit the example I chose to illustrate my rant was not the most pertinent offender given some other examples around :)
And yes, obviously "on or off topic" will always be a subjective judgement.
So thanks again for this lively little discussion, I guess status quo wins in the end :-\
:thankyousign:
P.S. One thing I love about this Forum is the complete absence of insults and rudeness such as occurs on some other forums - this generates a friendly tone much welcomed. :NGaugersRule:
Quote from: OffshoreAlan on November 06, 2021, 05:43:50 PM
I'm all in favour of light touch moderation, which I think would counter some of the objections to my suggestion since I would expect a similar approach to be taken with my new rule.
So you want a new rule that isn't enforced...? I think you're right, let's leave it as is ;)
Quote from: njee20 on November 06, 2021, 07:04:57 PM
Quote from: OffshoreAlan on November 06, 2021, 05:43:50 PM
I'm all in favour of light touch moderation, which I think would counter some of the objections to my suggestion since I would expect a similar approach to be taken with my new rule.
So you want a new rule that isn't enforced...? I think you're right, let's leave it as is ;)
Don't think he quite said that, all he said was for it to be policed with a light touch. :laughabovepost:
What's the difference? He's saying he wants the forum rules changed to keep threads on topic, but then says he hopes it'd be loosely enforced? Isn't that what we have? I've seen moderator comments regarding keeping things on topic. wheb it irritates me is when it gets into some in joke or something by a handful of posters. When the topic naturally meanders it tends to come back to the original topic at some point.
Still, I'm still amused by your outburst on the F1 thread, because people were deigning to talk about non N gauge matters, in the area of the forum specifically dedicated to off topic chat... :doh: at least we know your stance on the matter!
Quote from: OffshoreAlan on November 05, 2021, 06:01:41 PM
I note that the Code of Conduct does not include any reference to staying on topic in a thread (other forums I use do have this rule).
Would it be possible to add this rule, and ensure it is adhered to (the other forums admittedly are not always very diligent in this respect).
If you need to comment on an entry which goes off topic (a not uncommon occurrence) then the best way to tackle it IMHO is to start a new topic appropriately headed and include in your first post a link to the topic which inspired it - a technique I've used many times on other forums, and demonstrate in the following paragraph – where I've started a new topic here instead of posting on the York Railway Station & the National Rail Museum topic.
This post has a risen as a result of my frustration with the York Railway Station & the National Rail Museum (see https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=55247.msg734855#msg734855 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=55247.msg734855#msg734855) ) topic which was originally fairly short and very rich in interesting material about the subject. It has now wandered off into a topic about Listed Buildings in the Railway Network, with the potential to dilute the original interesting (to me) topic with loads of debris about a topic which is of little interest (to me).
Another farcical example of this trait is the Code of Conduct topic itself which a quick check just revealed currently a discussion on board materials (this occurring round about entry number 500 – I ask you, over 500 responses on Rules of Conduct, it beggars belief) – and who would ever be drawn to it when encountering board material issues, "oh I've got a problem with board materials, I'll look in the Site Rules topic". (yes, I do know about the Search facility).
I admit I'm biased because I hate long meandering threads, with several obvious exceptions of course - horses for courses.
To a lesser extent I would also make a plea to avoid entries like "great thread" etc., there is a rating system available where you can express your appreciation – use it, don't clutter the Topic. If these two modifications were implemented it would reduce the York Station Topic by about 30%, leaving only those totally relevant to the topic.
I hope I'm not sounding too like Victor Meldrew :)
[End of Rant.]
What do other members think ?
Since you ask what I think... I think you picked a terrible example in the
York Railway Station & the National Rail Museum thread - a thread about a listed building that goes off-topic by discussing other listed buildings?! Really?! Makes you sound like Victor Meldrew.
Treads go off topic? Never!!!!!
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