Hello , I'm looking a class 52 ( Western) without any yellow panels. I've tried the 2 manufacturers and ebay , but no luck.
Does anyone know if there is such a model without any yellow panels? I'm modeling the transition period of steam to diesel on the western region. Would prefer a brand new model.
D1000 Western Enterprise was released in maroon without any warning panels: Dapol 2d-003-008
Thanks , is there an un-weathered model?
Hi @geofff (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=9429)
Westerns were not around until 1962. Only a few were ever built without small yellow panels (SYP) as standard.
D1000 in maroon without SYP was in fact a fictional livery (a mistake by Dapol, actually).
D1000 was originally in Desert Sand with no yellow panel (1962), then had a SYP (1962-64) (Osborns special editions with and without weathering), then went into maroon with a SYP (1964-67).
D1008 Western Harrier was one of the few Westerns to have a lemon yellow front skirt (1962-64) rather than a SYP when it was first built. This is still a current Dapol model (2D-003-013).
All the other Westerns that have been made by Dapol started off in Maroon (or Green) with an SYP from 1962, so it is totally allowable to have SYP with steam.
The green SYP Westerns went to Maroon SYP in 1965-66.
HTH
Bob
Comprehensive reply from Bob.
Data attached as pdf for Western liveries.......
Gentlemen , very many thanks. I lived near Slough at the transittion period and remember the D1000's coming in, after the Warships and Hymeks. I was particually impressed with the sand coloured locos.
There do not appear to be any brand new models for sale at the moment. I guess that I'll keep searching.
Thanks for your time.
Regards
Geoff
I recommend this website for information on released models:
http://www.ngauge.org.uk/index.php (http://www.ngauge.org.uk/index.php)
A mine of information !!!!
Osborns appear to have D1000 available: https://www.osbornsmodels.com/osborn-exclusive-osb012-dapol-d1000-western-enterprise-desert-syp-weathered-49399-p.asp (https://www.osbornsmodels.com/osborn-exclusive-osb012-dapol-d1000-western-enterprise-desert-syp-weathered-49399-p.asp)
Hattons have some pre-owned Westerns but you said you preferred new.
You'll have to search the assorted shops that do N gauge, I've used these in the past:
Rails
Hattons
Colletts
Kernow
Frome Model Centre
Bure Valley
Model Railways Direct
Cheltenham Models
Kent Garden Railways
Keithley & Worth Valley Railway
That's a reasonable list. Sounds like you will have to get one now😁
Hi there,
Following on from tunneroner61 a friend of mine has just bought the Desert Sand western from Osborn's and it looks fabulous :D :thumbsup: :D
He has not had a chance to run it yet so I can't comment on how it runs, but it looks brill
All best wishes
Kevin
:beers:
And of course you could also buy one in the wrong livery for your railway/time frame and either repaint it yourself or have it done professionally by the likes of Mercig and many others.
or just re-paint out the yellow panel on D1000 (available new from Osborns)
Osborns D1000 is still in era for you. No need to paint it out.
Bob
Pretty much any Western with a small yellow panel would be fine with steam locos. Yellow panels began being added in 1962. The West Country was the first area to be dieselised but there was still steam around in 1963. Steam had all but disappeared from the Western Region in the South West by 1964 though. There were however 32 Castles still in service on he Western Region during the summer of 1964. These were based mainly in the Midlands with 10 shedded and Wolverhampton and another 5 at Tyseley. Plenty of other ex GWR steam locos also remained in service until circa 1965, especially in the Midlands area. In the summer of 1964 Tyseley depot also had 11 Halls, 6 Granges, 3 Manors, 6 56xx, 10 other tank locos, 5 8Fs and 6 9Fs. This is at a time when almost all of the London expresses had been dieselised. The Castles were still used on passenger services and did haul a small number of passenger trains to Paddington.
You can therefore quite reasonably mix maroon, green, golden ochre and desert sand Westerns with small yellow panels with steam locos. Green Warships with or without yellow panels would also be fine but not maroon or blue. Surprisingly maroon Warships didn't appear until 1965. Hymeks would also be fine and the odd class 22.
Coaching stock would be mostly maroon during this period with the odd chocolate and cream coach turning up in rakes of mostly maroon coaches. Crimson and cream coaches would have disappeared before yellow warning panels came in. You could also see the green coaches from the Southern Region being hauled by both steam and diesel Western Region locos. I can't be too certain about how often this happened but services such as the Saturday 9:40 Eastbourne to Wolverhampton often had a Castle on the front for the last part of its journey during the summer of 1964. I expect that any service originating in Eastbourne could possibly have been made up of green coaches but I can't be sure.
Freight wagons would all be in BR livery by this time - no private owner coal wagons allowed at all.
I hope this is helpful.
Update
Lots of info and some memories evoked (the steam hauled Saturday only 5.00pm stopping at Burnham Bucks, when all else was diesel).
I found that there are a large number of D1000s available, especially on everyones favourite (!) auction site.
I've decided to buy the green model from Osbournes - good price.
Thanks for the help
Well done that man!
Any reason why you don't need a maroon one as well????
he he he :angel:
Bob
I preferred the sand colour, but couldn't find one. My layoput is on a 6ft door, so I only need 5-6 locos.
When you have your full roster you will find there is a difference between *need* and *want*.
It happens to us all.
Enjoy the Green Western.
Bob
Quote from: geofff on November 02, 2021, 11:30:34 AM
I preferred the sand colour, but couldn't find one. My layoput is on a 6ft door, so I only need 5-6 locos.
Osborn's still have some in stock, albeit weathered with SYP.
Thanks to this thread I find myself in a quandary now, I must admit, as I already have two Westerns, both old Farish Poole models. Dare I buy a Dapol one?
I have three Farish ones blue, green and maroon so bought a Dapol D1000 too!
Might have to have a desert sand version.......
I have a very nice D1000 in desert sand, NO yellow panel at all. As it first appeared. Custom painted by our god of paint from this parish. The mighty Ozymandias!
I had a pristine desert sand one but then the weathered one came out so I sold the first to help pay for the second.
Here's the pristine one hauling some weathered bullets bought from crusty curmudgeon Allan @class37025 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=311)
(I know this would never have occurred but indulge me)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/31337/50025567196_56da8b862f_t.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jdA7gf)Dapol Western with Dapol weathered bullets (https://flic.kr/p/2jdA7gf) by Mick Hollyoake (https://www.flickr.com/photos/182878845@N04/), on Flickr
"crusty curmudgeon"
I'll have to get my dictionary out to see if I should feel insulted :D
nice to see them getting some use Mick :thumbsup:
:laughabovepost: come one we all know Val calls you worse :smiley-laughing:
Or is that just when you're out of earshot >:D
:laugh3:
oi you, I don't need anyone else picking on me.
looking at Mick's @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) photo, I can't help but wonder why he painted the bullets SR green and then disguised them as carriages, at least in the photo that loaded for me :hmmm:
I don't have any photos on Flickr - only fillems :P
my apologies, Mick, didn't see any 'click here you old git to play fillem' icon.
obviously I must try harder in future :-[
Mick @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264), finally managed to watch it, though did have to spend over five minutes of the circle of indecision on flikr before the play icon appeared.
but
WELL WORTH THE WAIT :thumbsup:
Quote from: emjaybee on November 02, 2021, 01:18:28 PM
I have a very nice D1000 in desert sand, NO yellow panel at all. As it first appeared. Custom painted by our god of paint from this parish. The mighty Ozymandias!
Yes indeed the God of paint, when he's finished my fleet of Warships may ask him for a desert sand Western..............
Received the green version from Osbornes. Why is there only one end with a coupling on the Dapol version.?
Great model - now I'm temtped to join the "Western plus 1 club" or wait for the Hymek.
Quote from: geofff on November 08, 2021, 04:08:34 PM
Received the green version from Osbornes. Why is there only one end with a coupling on the Dapol version.?
@geofff (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=9429)
Because the other end has a detachable 'valance' which prevents fitting a coupling. If you want a coupling simply pull off the valance and fit one. I think it's somewhere in the instructions as to how to do it.
Back on 2017 I made a Western Tribute video to mark 40 years since the last Westernw were withdrawn. Sorry if many of you have seen it before, it gets more interesting towards the end.
I now how substantially more Westerns and a different layout so I might be tempted to make another one with the current fleet.
Great video - really liked the sand colour D1000 and choc and cream coaches. Dare not ask how many coaches that you have - I've got 6.
Quote from: geofff on November 08, 2021, 05:30:10 PM
Great video - really liked the sand colour D1000 and choc and cream coaches. Dare not ask how many coaches that you have - I've got 6.
A lot!
Quote from: Newportnobby on November 08, 2021, 04:14:30 PM
Quote from: geofff on November 08, 2021, 04:08:34 PM
Received the green version from Osbornes. Why is there only one end with a coupling on the Dapol version.?
@geofff (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=9429)
Because the other end has a detachable 'valance' which prevents fitting a coupling. If you want a coupling simply pull off the valance and fit one. I think it's somewhere in the instructions as to how to do it.
I'm sure Dapol Westerns come with an alternative bogie with a coupling pocket (or without), so you can have the choice of a fully detailed front at one end (some folk like this), or couplings at both ends.
NTPNTPNTP is correct - there is a spare bogie, but instructions as to how to change it are not included. I'll just leave it as it is.
The bogies just pull out and push back in.