Farish have announced a re-release of the LMS Inspection Saloon, in three liveries (BR Maroon, Intercity, BR Blue/Grey), Amoco 45T TTA, and two repaints of the LMS 20T Brake Van (Dutch and NCB) as this quarters "new" announcements.
There is nothing in N from EFE.
The "Also arriving this quarter" list is awaited.
Best
Scott.
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https://www.bachmann.co.uk/category/bra/autumn-2021 (https://www.bachmann.co.uk/category/bra/autumn-2021)
This certainly doesn't reflect a bumper announcement that was alluded to in the conversation the Bachmann person had with Maurice at Osborns, and I wouldn't mind betting he isn't happy to have been so mislead - I would be fuming.
So, the only "new tool" actually is a tool - a box spanner to remove crankpins - I think that may be stretching things though!
We have three pieces of rolling stock including a brake van in niche liveries. NO new locos not even re-liveries of existing ones. It now seems very clear to me if I previously had any doubt that Bachmann's commitment to their Farish range is no longer any kind of priority - that appears very clearly to now be OO.
I have tried to remain optimistic but now this has put the tin lid on it.
Thank goodness for Sonic and RevolutioN and to be fair even Dapol are stepping up.
To add insult to injury I have recently renewed my "Collectors Club" and for another Quarter not a single item in N for members. They have "generously" added a second year warranty of their products for members, the only problem is that for it to be of any benefit to me there has to be something to buy..... I honestly am now wondering why I bothered.
Roy
I wouldn't mind betting he isn't happy to have been so mislead - I would be fuming. very true Roy. to be fair to Bachmann I think they have been spooked by their new competitors snapping at their market share and to be fair their traditional inventory is under attack from quite a few new brands as well as Dapol Heljan and Hornby. They have raised the bar with the new Class 47 but will have to keep on doing so until the product is so good but so expensive that the volumes dive. The trouble is the same is starting to happen to their N inventory and I predict Sonic #3 will be a wake up call for them.
regards
Maurice
Unimpressed.
But if , as Roy LS says, they have spent £1m on the new 47, there probably won't have been much left in the development budget for N
I wonder how long it will take Bachmann to get that money back?
Just pleased that I'm not looking to buy many more locos or stock, but not good for N in the long run. One may have thought that there might have been some progress in the development of a new Crab, or less likely, the 2P/Compound (neither of which I would get, but they are among the last Poole locos to be redesigned).
There are also number of locos and some stock in 4mm which could have been shot down to N, as has been discussed many times previously in the past, but no.
However, with the pandemic still causing chaos, perhaps we can get better news in the next announcement, and hope the Autumn statement has been delayed one quarter.
There are some J72s, though........in 4mm.........
Martyn
Is the £1m figure tooling or total investment (R&D, production etc). I'd be surprised if there's £1m of tooling in that 47 though I can easily see research to do a complete suite of tooling soon mounting up.
The RRP is £200 excl VAT. I don't know what retail margin Bachmann offer but I'd guess that they need to sell 7,000-10,000 47s to cover that £1m figure which I would have thought was doable for a decent, modern spec 47.
If I was in charge of Farish I would concentrate on locos with outside motion such as un-rebuilt LMS 4-6-0s.
Union Mills and Sonic have shied away from this segement.
Dapol are resting on their laurels.
Quote from: red_death on August 04, 2021, 01:27:21 PM
Is the £1m figure tooling or total investment (R&D, production etc). I'd be surprised if there's £1m of tooling in that 47 though I can easily see research to do a complete suite of tooling soon mounting up.
The RRP is £200 excl VAT. I don't know what retail margin Bachmann offer but I'd guess that they need to sell 7,000-10,000 47s to cover that £1m figure which I would have thought was doable for a decent, modern spec 47.
My impression was a £1million investment across the whole project, not just tooling.
Best
Scott.
I've been following the topic of lackluster Farish announcements for maybe 18 months now. None of this looks like it was intended to be like this. This looks like a company trying to navigate an extremely tight situation and make a lot of tough decisions. As I understand it they are at the mercy of Kader's manufacturing capacity. Surely the problem must be at that end?
Forgetting new tooling, Dapol is putting in the effort with re-runs. Farish... just aren't. How about a 47 and Mk2Fs in Swallow livery? Or even the long-awaited Virgin 47 and matching Mk2Fs? The tooling is there. Is the market so dire that they wouldn't sell well? I can only imagine that the lack of releases is out of their direct control.
Rather disappointed. Still, I have just received my 56xx from Sonic and I am looking forward to my RevolutioN 128 so I guess I will be getting my N gauge fix from a new dealer for the immediate future.
Quote from: BertFredStan on August 04, 2021, 01:52:08 PM
Forgetting new tooling, Dapol is putting in the effort with re-runs. Farish... just aren't. How about a 47 and Mk2Fs in Swallow livery? Or even the long-awaited Virgin 47 and matching Mk2Fs? The tooling is there. Is the market so dire that they wouldn't sell well? I can only imagine that the lack of releases is out of their direct control.
An understandable question, to which the answer will no doubt never be known to customers/dealers. To back up your example, I have a requirement for no less than 32 Mark 1s in Maroon, and probably 7 or 8 Thomsons in Maroon. Money is squireled away and allocated. And yet it is impossible to source them...unless I wanted 32 RUs and FOs. But that's circa £1400 just waiting to be paid to them. I'm surely not the only one in that position...
Without wishing to get into the ridiculous realms of "I bet they'd sell bucket-loads of model x", I'd have thought coaches would be the bread and butter of most (not all) model railways and a nice little earner for cashflow purposes, but they just aren't there.
Frustrating, but not the end of the world.
In fairness, we haven't seen the "arriving this quarter" announcement yet.
Best
Scott.
I've some agreement with reply #8.
With only so many slots available, and with so much competition within the group, someone has to make decisions about what to produce; and in these times of the pandemic, probably what will bring most profit to the company if it is made and offered.
However, I'd have thought that other coaching stock rather than the inspection saloons would be better sellers overall; a layout only really needs one (or two saloons), but larger numbers of SK/SO/CK/BSK/BCK.
I'd also like to see maroon Thompsons, but think I have a long wait.
Next time......
Martyn
Disappointing yes, surprising no.
From my mind from the farish Poole range yet to see a new tool are:
Holden tank
94xx
Modified Hall (Dapol is original hall)
4p compound
Large prairie
Rebuilt merchant navy
Air smoothed west country
Crab
GP Tank (why does nobody clamour for this to be rebuilt :searchingsign: )
V2 (sort of just about old Farish)
I'll let them off A3 and A4 as Dapol got there first
I can't say on other motive power but there is a fair old list of opportunities!
Graham
Quote from: joe cassidy on August 04, 2021, 01:28:27 PM
If I was in charge of Farish I would concentrate on locos with outside motion such as un-rebuilt LMS 4-6-0s.
Union Mills and Sonic have shied away from this segement.
Dapol are resting on their laurels.
Or Southern 4-6-0s...S15s and N15s, or Lord Nelsons, just because they are on my workbench right now!
I'm sure someone somewhere on this forum stated the Farish Autumn announcement was going to be 'The Big One'. If that's the case I'd hate to see a small one! ::)
I wouldn't say Sonic have shied away from outside movement, more that they want to get another good simpler loco under their belt before spreading their wings a bit :hmmm:
Quote from: Karhedron on August 04, 2021, 02:00:54 PM
Rather disappointed. Still, I have just received my 56xx from Sonic and I am looking forward to my RevolutioN 128 so I guess I will be getting my N gauge fix from a new dealer for the immediate future.
Add to that the Rapido class 28 for me, along with Dapols' M7 and class 27
Lord only knows when I'll get my plain green Warship announced yonks ago (371-606) and I reckon the Gaugemaster class 73 is just a work of fiction :unimpressed:
Quote from: Newportnobby on August 04, 2021, 02:54:49 PM
I'm sure someone somewhere on this forum stated the Farish Autumn announcement was going to be 'The Big One'. If that's the case I'd hate to see a small one! ::)
Lord only knows when I'll get my plain green Warship announced yonks ago (371-606) and I reckon the Gaugemaster class 73 is just a work of fiction :unimpressed:
Move on, move on, nothing to see here (except £204 for a new OO duff without sound).
Glad I got my old OO duff in TTG for £75 two years ago, when they couldn't shift them! They were £170RRP then!
Bring on the RevolutioN!
Bob
Surely we are still in Summer so maybe there's more to come in the real Autumn!
Dave
My money will be going on a Dapol Class 27, 9F & Britannia followed by a couple of Rapido Class 28s. I'm glad I bought a S/H Crab, Class 25/3, & V2 while prices were still sensible. I could be tempted by another Union Mills G2.
Roll on the Winter Announcements in November.
David
I'm just looking through the Farish announcements since Bachmann started the quarterly policy of only announcing things coming within the following three months (Ignoring Scenecraft, etc. - Also excluded EFE since they are not Bachmann products in any sense, merely supplied in a Bachman sleeve), and I've highlighted what I think were completely new models, not previously announced (corrections welcome):
Spring (February 4 2020)
Class 70 - previously announced model? - Two liveries (Freightliner and Colas)
BR Standard 3MT - Previous model
LNER Thomson Coaches - Previously announced model - 4 versions
GWR 20T Toad Brake Van - Previous model - Three liveries (GWR, BR Grey, and BR Bauxite
Summer (May 5 2020)
Nothing
Autumn (August 4 2020)
BR MK1 BCK - Existing Model - Inter-City Charter livery
BR MK1 TSO 2-coach Pack - Previously announced - West Highland Green & Cream
[EFE - Class 17 - 11 versions - Previously a DJM project, now Kernow?]
Winter (November 3 2020)
Class 31 Sound fitted - A previously announced model, announcement was to highlight there would now be a plethora of sound fitted models)
[EFE - JIA - 12 versions - A Kernow model? - Delivery still outstanding at time of writing.
Shark Brake Van - 4 versions - Previously a DJM project, now Kernow?
Mermaid Ballast Wagon - 4 versions - previously a DJM release, now Kernow?]
Spring (February 3 2021)
Class 66 - Existing model in a new livery (Biffa) - A duplicate of a Dapol livery.
WD 50T Parrot - Previously announced
BR Mk1 RU - Existing model with a new running number.
16T Slope-sided Steel Mineral Wagon
Summer May 4 2021
Nothing
Autumn August 3 2021
Ex-LMS Inspection Saloon - Existing model - Previously NGS exclusive, previously issued under Farish brand
BR TTA - Existing model in a new livery (Amoco)
Ex-LMS 20T Brake Van - Existing model - two new liveries (Dutch and NCB)
Best
Scott.
Quote from: Southerngooner on August 04, 2021, 03:16:15 PM
Surely we are still in Summer so maybe there's more to come in the real Autumn!
Dave
Pride goes before a Fall :laugh:
@NGS-PO (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6239) Your list makes interesting reading but I would include the EFE Rail announcements too since they were part of the fanfare about the releases for the coming quarter, and are publicised and distributed exclusively by Bachmann. The November/Winter 2020 announcement included 12 JIA China Clay hoppers (E87500 - 87511) and were shown with "also arriving" the Mermaids and Sharks. The JIA is yet to see the light of retailers stock.
Quote from: woodbury22uk on August 04, 2021, 04:07:31 PM
@NGS-PO (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6239) Your list makes interesting reading but I would include the EFE Rail announcements too since they were part of the fanfare about the releases for the coming quarter, and are publicised and distributed exclusively by Bachmann. The November/Winter 2020 announcement included 12 JIA China Clay hoppers (E87500 - 87511) and were shown with "also arriving" the Mermaids and Sharks. The JIA is yet to see the light of retailers stock.
Hi Mike,
I do see your point, but we shall have to agree to disagree (in the nicest possible way). Bachmann had no real investment in the EFE range in N as it was released in that period. They didn't manufacture them, they don't (as far as I'm aware) hold any intelectual property in them; they were merely distributed by Bachmann to help get them into their dealer network. I certainly appreciate Bachmann using their finace and muscle in helping distribute the models, but they can't claim any credit for producing nor designing them. For that reason, I've kept them of the list.
Best
Scott.
Of course you are right Scott, but EFE Rail is a wholly owned Bachmann brand. If they choose to announce 20 new EFE Rail models in N gauge (to bulk out the coincident Farish announcements in November 2020), it might be respectful of them to explain the non-delivery of 12 of them 9 months later. I have just checked their announcement and it says "most of the items are in stock now or will be available this Winter". So the JIAs just get added to the long list of announced, but undelivered, models albeit now spread across two Bachmann owned brands.
I would imagine the EFE products Mermaids, Sharks and Claytons have more connection to DJ Models than Bachmann, even though Dave Jones is in 'The Great Void' somewhere.
Now if only someone would pick up on the CAD he did for the class 23 (sigh)
Quote from: woodbury22uk on August 04, 2021, 04:28:30 PM
Of course you are right Scott, but EFE Rail is a wholly owned Bachmann brand. If they choose to announce 20 new EFE Rail models in N gauge (to bulk out the coincident Farish announcements in November 2020), it might be respectful of them to explain the non-delivery of 12 of them 9 months later. I have just checked their announcement and it says "most of the items are in stock now or will be available this Winter". So the JIAs just get added to the long list of announced, but undelivered, models albeit now spread across two Bachmann owned brands.
Mike,
I see where you are coming from now, my apologies I got the wrong end of the stick. Not being a more modern image modeller, I wasn't aware that they hadn't arrived. That certainly adds a blip to the "all of this is arriving within 3 months" approach. As distributors, I guess you are right, they are responsible for supply of the models.
Best
Scott
I hope the box spanner sells well and they do more liveries in the future.
Quote from: SD35 on August 04, 2021, 06:15:31 PM
I hope the box spanner sells well and they do more liveries in the future.
:laughabovepost:
Quote from: NGS-PO on August 04, 2021, 04:52:41 PM
Quote from: woodbury22uk on August 04, 2021, 04:28:30 PM
Of course you are right Scott, but EFE Rail is a wholly owned Bachmann brand. If they choose to announce 20 new EFE Rail models in N gauge (to bulk out the coincident Farish announcements in November 2020), it might be respectful of them to explain the non-delivery of 12 of them 9 months later. I have just checked their announcement and it says "most of the items are in stock now or will be available this Winter". So the JIAs just get added to the long list of announced, but undelivered, models albeit now spread across two Bachmann owned brands.
Mike,
I see where you are coming from now, my apologies I got the wrong end of the stick. Not being a more modern image modeller, I wasn't aware that they hadn't arrived. That certainly adds a blip to the "all of this is arriving within 3 months" approach. As distributors, I guess you are right, they are responsible for supply of the models.
Best
Scott
Pleased to see on the Bachmann site that the missing 12 JIA China Clay wagons are now rumoured for delivery this month or in September.
on the MV Everglen I guess
I'm interested to see if they've carried the errors over from the OO gauge JIA, and if the weathered models are any better!
Very uninspiring and not good news for retailers sadly.
Quote from: leachsprite4 on August 04, 2021, 02:17:26 PMGP Tank (why does nobody clamour for this to be rebuilt :searchingsign: )
Because it was a horrible mongrel with only a vague resemblance to an LMS Jinty with bits of SR E2 stretched to fit a GWR 9400 chassis...
Even the old Farish company gave up on that one and dropped it from the range when they introduced the first 'proper' Jinty in the early 90s...
(so I suppose you could say it has in fact already been updated twice!)
Is the lack more releases any real loss considering the excessive price of Farish models these days.
Why release another batch of inspection saloons when last batch did not sell well and had to be heavily discounted to clear the stock and some retailers still have them, makes no sense.
Hi all,
So yeah as the announcement was made where I live the heavens opened maybe it was a foreboding sign of what I should have been expecting... (More tears than light at the end of the tunnel)
It was a rather lacklustre announcement...again on the whole, honestly I think its fair to say that OO seems to be the main effort at the moment which isn't unexpected it is the larger market which in turn means more cash at the end of it all and after the events of the past 18 months everyone has taken a hit both as individuals and companies and could do with some more cash!
That been said, there is still no sign of multiple items that I am really interested in, the 319 at TINGS 2019 was shown and yes there was errors I picked out a few glaring ones but it wasn't far off in one or 2 cases I could easily ignore the errors, but the Northern livery I am after is now defunct and no units carry it!
350 in TPE all it requires is a different seating tooling and fresh livery and good to go (I have forgotten how long ago it was announced) and then there is the colas 47 both of these no longer exist in the real world!
The 69s has been a bit of a surprise to me though this year I would have thought with it been such a restrictive model Farish would have wanted to put any available cash and resources into something that offers more of a wider interest, than a fleet of 10 locos with zero operational life span (currently).
So with all things considered I am hoping this is the calm before the fanfare and maybe just maybe with TINGS provisionally been given the green light, they are waiting for that to give us all a very nice surprise and we see a few long awaited new models!
Bachmann said they had invested GBP1m in the new OO Class 47, which suggests they may be putting larger but fewer eggs into the launch basket going forward.
Entirely possible, but I'll bet that basket (or those eggs) is only OO gauge!
I'm not sure the N gauge market would weather some of the prices. several forum members would explode at £200 locos! I also suspect there are few prototypes that would sell enough (7-10,000 potentially) to justify that outlay. You need a long history to appeal to a broad audience. In N, just not sure the market's there.
It would be nice to have a bit of a carrot from Bachmann. Even a "we know there's not much here in N - we are absolutely working on some newly tooled items, just waiting for a slot" or something, to avoid the feeling of being let down.
I have to agree that the inspection saloons seem a bizarre choice; more mk2s, a vanilla GBRf 66, a Swallow 47, so many other things which seemingly would have been more obvious! Then again, who knows when they had to commit to the production run in order for delivery to be achieved in this period (not that they're always meeting that!).
Would I be too optimistic to think that Bachmann are easing their way out of the 3 month horizon straightjacket? TINGS will see the great reveal of something super-dooper. Still sure that there will be nothing there for me, of course. :-)
Well they threw the 69 in there randomly, and announced the 47 a day early. It seems to be the case that they're breaking their own rhythm for items they're not going to achieve within the 3 month cycle, leaving the 3-month announcements for the "BAU" items, which isn't entirely unreasonable. To that end, it doesn't seem unreasonable to announce something at TINGS which won't be delivered within the following 3 months.
Quote from: woodbury22uk on August 05, 2021, 09:30:13 AM
Would I be too optimistic to think that Bachmann are easing their way out of the 3 month horizon straightjacket? TINGS will see the great reveal of something super-dooper. Still sure that there will be nothing there for me, of course. :-)
I wrote to Bachmann very recently and received a very good reply from the Communications Manager. Although not the subject of the discussion, he was emphatic that they were committed to the current three month information releases and nothing would move them from that position, not even to appease disgruntled/disappointed/disillusioned N gauge modellers such as ourselves.
Best
Scott.
Quote from: njee20 on August 05, 2021, 09:37:01 AM
Well they threw the 69 in there randomly, and announced the 47 a day early. It seems to be the case that they're breaking their own rhythm for items they're not going to achieve within the 3 month cycle, leaving the 3-month announcements for the "BAU" items, which isn't entirely unreasonable. To that end, it doesn't seem unreasonable to announce something at TINGS which won't be delivered within the following 3 months.
Bachmann have stated that production of the first batch of 47s is complete and will be arriving in shops this quarter. Point taken re the 69 though.
Best
Scott
Quote from: NGS-PO on August 05, 2021, 10:45:34 AM
I wrote to Bachmann very recently and received a very good reply from the Communications Manager. Although not the subject of the discussion, he was emphatic that they were committed to the current three month information releases and nothing would move them from that position, not even to appease disgruntled/disappointed/disillusioned N gauge modellers such as ourselves.
Thanks for asking Scott.
I wonder if one of the things that might convince Bachmann to ultimately change tack is feedback from retailers that can't take pre-orders on items that they don't know are coming plus we're already starting to see customers comment that they don't have time to save.
From a wider perspective, by not announcing more than 3 months of releases you make it impossible to tailor production runs against orders/pre-orders (even from retailers) so you're left with only being able to produce fixed batch quantities and not capitalising on unexpected demand for particular models (not that Bachmann have ever done anything different to that as far as I'm aware).
From a personal perspective I'm not a fan of the 3 month cycles - it creates a false sense of expectation that is too often dashed when very little or nothing appears.
I can see and appreciate both points of view, for and against the 3-month cycle. Personally, I probably lean towards preferring it.
Best
Scott.
I also spoke with someone within Bachmann who was emphatic that there's good stuff coming in N. But what exactly that means I don't know.
I'd missed that the 47s were due shortly though, still leaves the 69 as an outlier (and the JIAs - unless they were on the Ever Given like the Dapol JHAs, they'd still have been late, but by 6 months not 12).
I can't decide on the 3 month cycle. Conceptually I like it, but the reality is that each quarter is a letdown! That said, was it actually any better when it was an annual letdown, rather than quarterly ones!?
Quote from: PLD on August 04, 2021, 11:45:11 PM
Quote from: leachsprite4 on August 04, 2021, 02:17:26 PMGP Tank (why does nobody clamour for this to be rebuilt :searchingsign: )
Because it was a horrible mongrel with only a vague resemblance to an LMS Jinty with bits of SR E2 stretched to fit a GWR 9400 chassis...
Even the old Farish company gave up on that one and dropped it from the range when they introduced the first 'proper' Jinty in the early 90s...
(so I suppose you could say it has in fact already been updated twice!)
I was being cheeky but added the wrong emoji. :doh:
Should have been :hmmm:
Quote from: njee20 on August 05, 2021, 11:22:18 AM
I can't decide on the 3 month cycle. Conceptually I like it, but the reality is that each quarter is a letdown! That said, was it actually any better when it was an annual letdown, rather than quarterly ones!?
I think I prefer it, but I'm more interested in the "also arriving this quarter" items rather than new tools. Aside from an NBL Type 2 and maybe some new catering vehicles, there's nothing else I'd need to make my projects complete, that aren't already out there. But then I've been amassing items for a while.
Don't get me wrong there are some nice to have items I'd buy and get a little excited over (Clan Pacific, re-tooled Peak) but I wouldn't spit the dummy out if they never appeared.
I have a lot of money sitting in an account that wants to be handed over to Bachmann for a shed load of Mk1s to cmplete my rakes, but there aren't any to buy.
Best
Scott.
Yes I'm not 'waiting' on anything from Farish, which perhaps drives my apathy! These days I'm more waiting with bated breath to find if they've duplicated a model I've spent months finessing a 3D print of!
A 90 is the only thing I'd like to see from them which I think is a genuine chance.
NGS-PO said a shed load of Mk1s to complete my rakes, but there aren't any to buy.
Which ones are you wanting, is it Maroon or is it Choc/cream? If so we could compile a list and I will submit it to Bachmann and see if we can influence some future production. The trouble is nobody else is going to make the Mk1's so there is no urgency to protect their potential market share but if we don't ask we will just have to wait in line.
Quote from: osborns on August 05, 2021, 01:12:35 PM
NGS-PO said a shed load of Mk1s to complete my rakes, but there aren't any to buy.
Which ones are you wanting, is it Maroon or is it Choc/cream? If so we could compile a list and I will submit it to Bachmann and see if we can influence some future production.
All Maroon. BCK, BSK, CK, SK, SLS, RMB.
Quote from: osborns on August 05, 2021, 01:12:35 PM
The trouble is nobody else is going to make the Mk1's so there is no urgency to protect their potential market share but if we don't ask we will just have to wait in line.
I have approached them directly, but perhaps you will have more influence.
Best
Scott.
To me there are plusses and minuses for both annual and quarterly announcements but at the end of the day neither changes Bachmann's plans, only when they choose to tell their potential customers.
That said, Mike's points on production numbers and ability to save are entirely valid. Revolution's approach works very well for me with full, which I now go for, or 50% payment but of course that doesn't fit the Bachmann business model of supply through retailers only, and for me, only works because of the trust I have in Revolution and their track record.
So, excitement of an annual announcement followed by a long wait, or excitement quarterly followed by potential disappointment as in the last couple of times, you pay your money you take your choice
Personally I'm not sure circumstances have allowed the new approach to work in quite the way Bachmann intended yet and the current "run" may not be the way things are when it settles down. It may be more like this time last year when the 17 and Mermaid appeared from nowhere followed by Shark and clay wagon(admittedly there was clearly some sort of hitch with this one) in the next qtr, or more likely somewhere in between. I know they were EFE but to me, it's still Bachmann facilitating n gauge purchases
I do however find the re-run policy unfathomable. If they feel they only have finance and/or production capacity to rerun 1 coach model for delivery in the quarter, that's fair enough, a business decision, but why the Inspection Saloon? Surely something like a Mk 1 second in blue/grey, maroon and one other livery would be out of their warehouse and onto retailers' shelves quicker? I'm assuming the production costs are quite similar being models of very similar detail levels?
Rob
one only BCK in stock Scott
+one RU which you don't want
and that is the sum total of BR MK1's in maroon
sorry
Maurice
Quote from: osborns on August 05, 2021, 02:59:56 PM
one only BCK in stock Scott
+one RU which you don't want
and that is the sum total of BR MK1's in maroon
sorry
Maurice
That's okay, Maurice.
I appreciate you looking.
Best
Scott.
PS in the interests of balance, I note that Blue/Grey modellers are in a similar predicament. It's not a situation that would entice someone into the hobby, I feel.
It's not a situation that would entice someone into the hobby, I feel.
exactly
There's been no new Mk1 or Mk2a second class coaches for around 6 years now, turn the clock back and Mk1 SK were being re-run every 18 months or so.
Steven B
Yes that's about right. 2016 was the last run.
Best
Scott.
Quick scan of the website for dates shows the following:
5 plank wagon Aug/Sep
7 Plank Wagon Aug/Sep
8 Plank Wagon Aug/Sep
LMS 20T Brake Aug/Sep (LMS/BR Grey)
BR 45T TTA Tank Wagon Sep/Oct (Charrington/Fina)
BR 45T TTA Tank Wagon Oct/Nov (Amoco)
LMS 20T Brake Oct/Nov (Civil/NCB)
LMS 50ft Inspection Oct/Nov
Class 150 Nov/Dec
BR 12T Ventilated Van Dec/Jan
BR 10T Insulated Van Dec/Jan
BR MK1 BG Dec/Jan
LNER 13T Ventilated Van Dec/Jan
BR MK2A TSO Dec/Jan (Regional + Scotrail & Highlander sets)
MR 20T Brake Van Jan/Feb
Class 101 Jan/Feb
Class 319 Jan/Feb
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So more Mk2A's are coming but what is currently proposed isn't the most useful.
There is a Blue BSO shown as Awaiting a date so with some wishful thinking we may see a blue TSO or a Regional Railways BSO to match what is due out.
The ScotRail and Highlander set come with a BG and DMU Observation coach respectively which don't really lend themselves to easily make up full trains.
I will be after 4 ScotRail TSO's but I am not sure what I am going to do with 3 Spare BG's after keeping one.
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I think others have summarized my feelings with better worded replies. 3 month cycle not bad but there needs to be something to draw you in and keep expectations up which is currently lacking.
Quote from: NGS-PO on August 05, 2021, 01:22:23 PM
Quote from: osborns on August 05, 2021, 01:12:35 PM
NGS-PO said a shed load of Mk1s to complete my rakes, but there aren't any to buy.
Which ones are you wanting, is it Maroon or is it Choc/cream? If so we could compile a list and I will submit it to Bachmann and see if we can influence some future production.
All Maroon. BCK, BSK, CK, SK, SLS, RMB.
A whole swag came up on Hattons pre-owned yesterday. More than half gone already.
RMB x 3, BCK, CK still left as at 0500hrs your time.
https://www.hattons.co.uk/718504/graham_farish_374_107_po11_mk1_rmb_mini_buffet_car_in_maroon_blue_riband__pre_owned_very_good_box/stockdetail.aspx (https://www.hattons.co.uk/718504/graham_farish_374_107_po11_mk1_rmb_mini_buffet_car_in_maroon_blue_riband__pre_owned_very_good_box/stockdetail.aspx)
https://www.hattons.co.uk/718642/graham_farish_374_257_po07_mk1_br_maroon_ck_coach__pre_owned_very_good_box/stockdetail.aspx (https://www.hattons.co.uk/718642/graham_farish_374_257_po07_mk1_br_maroon_ck_coach__pre_owned_very_good_box/stockdetail.aspx)
https://www.hattons.co.uk/718552/graham_farish_374_084a_po05_mk1_bck_brake_corridor_composite_maroon_weathered_pre_owned_corridor_end_door/stockdetail.aspx (https://www.hattons.co.uk/718552/graham_farish_374_084a_po05_mk1_bck_brake_corridor_composite_maroon_weathered_pre_owned_corridor_end_door/stockdetail.aspx)
Quote from: Bingley Hall on August 06, 2021, 04:45:58 AM
Quote from: NGS-PO on August 05, 2021, 01:22:23 PM
Quote from: osborns on August 05, 2021, 01:12:35 PM
NGS-PO said a shed load of Mk1s to complete my rakes, but there aren't any to buy.
Which ones are you wanting, is it Maroon or is it Choc/cream? If so we could compile a list and I will submit it to Bachmann and see if we can influence some future production.
All Maroon. BCK, BSK, CK, SK, SLS, RMB.
A whole swag came up on Hattons pre-owned yesterday. More than half gone already.
RMB x 3, BCK, CK still left as at 0500hrs your time.
https://www.hattons.co.uk/718504/graham_farish_374_107_po11_mk1_rmb_mini_buffet_car_in_maroon_blue_riband__pre_owned_very_good_box/stockdetail.aspx (https://www.hattons.co.uk/718504/graham_farish_374_107_po11_mk1_rmb_mini_buffet_car_in_maroon_blue_riband__pre_owned_very_good_box/stockdetail.aspx)
https://www.hattons.co.uk/718642/graham_farish_374_257_po07_mk1_br_maroon_ck_coach__pre_owned_very_good_box/stockdetail.aspx (https://www.hattons.co.uk/718642/graham_farish_374_257_po07_mk1_br_maroon_ck_coach__pre_owned_very_good_box/stockdetail.aspx)
https://www.hattons.co.uk/718552/graham_farish_374_084a_po05_mk1_bck_brake_corridor_composite_maroon_weathered_pre_owned_corridor_end_door/stockdetail.aspx (https://www.hattons.co.uk/718552/graham_farish_374_084a_po05_mk1_bck_brake_corridor_composite_maroon_weathered_pre_owned_corridor_end_door/stockdetail.aspx)
Many thanks for the heads-up.
3 down 30 to go.
Best
Scott.
It really has been a pretty bleak 9 months or so from Farish. I think the class 40 and 8F were released summer / autumn time of last year, but there's been nothing of note since, with the exception of the much anticipated toilet a few months back. The next loco / unit appears to be the 319, currently due early 2022. A quick look at Rails website shows there's very little currently in stock - N class, 108s, 31 & 47 in Railfreight grey and the occasional straggler. The lack of core models - Mk1 stock for instance, 08s etc is very strange. Obviously they have their reasons, but prioritising Inspection Saloons over Mk1s seems bizarre.
As for quarterly announcements - it just depends whether you prefer being mildly disappointed 4 times a year or seriously disappointed once a year. The downside for Farish of quarterly announcements at the moment is that it shines a regular spotlight on the paucity of their offering and keeps debates such as this one going.
Mark
Quote from: Mark on August 06, 2021, 10:35:07 AM
It really has been a pretty bleak 9 months or so from Farish. I think the class 40 and 8F were released summer / autumn time of last year, but there's been nothing of note since, with the exception of the much anticipated toilet a few months back.
Yes - I was much relieved to see that as well :-X
Bachman told us at TINGS 2018 that they were not investing in N gauge (a wonderful marketing tactic at an N gauge show). They seem to be true to their word.
Personally I think Kader are pulling the strings, given financial problems and not listening to the U.K. end of its operation.
Quote from: CaleyDave on August 05, 2021, 09:52:33 PM
I will be after 4 ScotRail TSO's but I am not sure what I am going to do with 3 Spare BG's after keeping one.
Parcels train :)
Quote from: honk843 on August 06, 2021, 11:13:54 AM
Bachman told us at TINGS 2018 that they were not investing in N gauge (a wonderful marketing tactic at an N gauge show). They seem to be true to their word.
Personally I think Kader are pulling the strings, given financial problems and not listening to the U.K. end of its operation.
I hadn't heard that said at TINGS 2018 - was that said to you from the horse's mouth or did it come via the rumour mill? If from a reputable source it is odd because in July of that year both the 8F and Thompsons were announced and shown in CAD form! Also, it certainly isn't 100% factual given that the (albeit a bit obscure) Class 69 has since been announced too.
Add to this I have also just received an e-mail from Richard Proudman of Bachmann reasserting their commitment to the Farish brand which seems to contradict it too.
Where I do concur is that like you I do wonder if (or rather suspect) it is Kader who are controlling priorities not Bachmann Europe. It would also explain the unfathomably terrible choices in terms of what is actually coming through.
Roy
Yes, that would be a very odd statement to make as well.
Maybe Kader have big stocks of the parts for the inspection saloon that they want to get rid off ?
I guess it's possible. Hard to imagine though, among all their products for all their brands. I'd love to know the rationale for their releases.
Quote from: Roy L S on August 06, 2021, 12:35:50 PM
Quote from: honk843 on August 06, 2021, 11:13:54 AM
Bachman told us at TINGS 2018 that they were not investing in N gauge (a wonderful marketing tactic at an N gauge show). They seem to be true to their word.
Personally I think Kader are pulling the strings, given financial problems and not listening to the U.K. end of its operation.
I hadn't heard that said at TINGS 2018 - was that said to you from the horse's mouth or did it come via the rumour mill?
Roy
There were five of us together at that show. One of us said to the guy at Bachmans who has sweptback grey hair and has since retired. "What Bachman should do..." not the way to get anyone on side. But before he had a chance to continue the Bachman guy says something like what you have to remember is that given the current economic climate Bachman are no interested in investing anything in N gauge as it only generates 20% of their sales.
He then went on to tell us how the Chinese had laughed at the stuff they had bought from GF and I thought why buy it?
I was quite disillusioned by all this but fortunately ran straight into Bob Symmons (I think) on the Revolution stand whose enthusiasm soon dispelled the Bachman gloom.
For the record I personally think that up to that time we had been spoilt by the number of new models arriving. More than the market could absorb perhaps. Nature dislikes a vacuum and we just have to wait to see who fills it. It is not good for new-comers however.
The 69 is probably the big autumn news that Bachman have in store for us. But it does nothing for those of us who choose to model earlier eras.
Quote from: honk843 on August 06, 2021, 01:19:01 PM
The 69 is probably the big autumn news that Bachman have in store for us. But it does nothing for those of us who choose to model earlier eras.
I think that's a bit unfair, unless you announce an entire portfolio of models in one go (Dapol Magnificent 7 anyone!?) there will always be some who are not interested. Yes, ok, the 69 is only relevant for those modelling the contemporary scene, but even so.
I'm going to continue with my dogged faith that they will announce some more interesting models at some point, but if they don't then hey ho! More than enough coming from Revolution and some re-runs from Dapol to fulfill my whims!
I can't think who that might have been in 2018 from the description. Graham Hubbard had long left by then Colin Allbright too I think, It doesn't describe Dennis Lovett and swept back hair and David Haarhaus certainly don't match!
Could be the 69 was the "big news" in which case the words "flat" and "fall" might find themselves in the same sentence. A very new, very small and very niche class of locomotives.
Hmm..
Ah well.
Roy
Roy,
It was none of those you mention. I put it down at the time to him having had his ear bent by N-gaugers all day telling him what Bachman should do when they have little control over things in the big scheme of things but the longer it goes on the more it seems right.
Although I do principally eras 4 and 5 I do have some more modern things ,like 6 class 66s- for reasons that would not be relevant to this thread but I will not be saving up for a 69.
I'm hoping something will be announced to mark Farish's 50th anniversary but what or when it's going to happen I don't know!
In terms of inventory there is absolutely no question that Bachmann's Farish range is number one. In terms of rolling stock there is even now a fair range avaliable, albeit coach wise there are many "holes" in stock (e.g. maroon Mk1s) that could be improved by further runs. Nobody comes close in terms of range already tooled. Loco wise the same, but availablilty is slipping and production isn't even close to making it good.
I expressed my views directly to Bachmann via Collectors Club of which I am a member, having renewed just before the Q3 update, subsequently wondering why I did. To be fair, Richard Proudman didn't hide, on behalf of Bachmann he responded. He asserts that they are proud of the Farish brand and there was no suggestion they are giving up on it at all. The issue about "odd" choices was I think taken on board but whether it will change who can say. It wasn't said but their collective frustration suggested to me that it may not be Bachmann Europe but Kader deciding on priorities as far as production goes. They are working on changing things but it will take time. I guess this is the price they pay for not being able to choose factories themselves. I have said my piece to Bachmann and can do no more. Perhaps understandably Richard would not comment as far as new tool is concerned, I am now reconciled to not expecting much for at least the next few quarters, and if anything more significant does transpire it will be a bonus.
I feel the next "big" thing if it goes to plan will probably be the Rapido Class 28 and then the Sonic J50. I will stop looking to Bachmann for a time.
Roy
Quote from: honk843 on August 06, 2021, 09:11:58 PM
....having had his ear bent by N-gaugers all day telling him what Bachman should do...
I would find that super annoying. :veryangry:
My Previous list is out of date already!
Looks like someone has been busy updating the Due dates on the website.
A number of items due soon have been Delayed by a month and new liveries are now being delivered together with the previously announced.
A lot of previously announced items now have dates listed against them which were not there before
Due Dates - Copied 08/08/215 plank wagon Sep/Oct
7 Plank Wagon Sep/Oct
8 Plank Wagon Sep/Oct
LMS 20T Brake Sep/Oct
BR 45T TTA Tank Wagon Oct/Nov
LMS 20T Brake Oct/Nov (Civil/NCB)
LMS 50ft Inspection Oct/Nov
Class 150 Dec/Jan
BR 12T Ventilated Van Dec/Jan
BR 10T Insulated Van Dec/Jan
BR MK1 BG Dec/Jan
LNER 13T Ventilated Van Dec/Jan
BR MK2A TSO Dec/Jan (Regional + Scotrail & Highlander sets)
BR MK2A BSO Dec/Jan [NEW DATE]
MR 20T Brake Van Jan/Feb
Class 101 Jan/Feb
Class 319 Feb/Mar
JPA Bogie Cement Tank Feb/Mar
BR 20T Brake Van Mar/Apr
Class 08 Mar/Apr
Class 37 Apr/May
BR Mk1 Suburban S May/Jun
BR Mk1 Suburban C May/Jun
BR Mk1 Suburban SO May/Jun
BR Mk1 Suburban BS May/Jun
LMS Stanier Full Brake May/Jun
24T Iron Ore Hopper May/Jun
Conflat Wagon May/Jun
Outstanding without datesBR HEA Hopper
BR HFA Hopper
BR HAA Hopper
30T Bogie Bolster
Class 220
Class 350
Class 450
Class 158
BR Mk1 CCT
SR PLV
GWR Hawksworth Full Brake
GWR Hawksworth AutoTrailer
BR MK2f DBSO [Thats what it said when I checked!]
MR 3835 4F
LNER J39
BR Standard 5MT
LMS Fairburn
Class 60
Class 42
Class 47/7
Class 14
Class 24/1
Quote from: CaleyDave on August 05, 2021, 09:52:33 PM
Quick scan of the website for dates shows the following:
5 plank wagon Aug/Sep
7 Plank Wagon Aug/Sep
8 Plank Wagon Aug/Sep
LMS 20T Brake Aug/Sep (LMS/BR Grey)
BR 45T TTA Tank Wagon Sep/Oct (Charrington/Fina)
BR 45T TTA Tank Wagon Oct/Nov (Amoco)
LMS 20T Brake Oct/Nov (Civil/NCB)
LMS 50ft Inspection Oct/Nov
Class 150 Nov/Dec
BR 12T Ventilated Van Dec/Jan
BR 10T Insulated Van Dec/Jan
BR MK1 BG Dec/Jan
LNER 13T Ventilated Van Dec/Jan
BR MK2A TSO Dec/Jan (Regional + Scotrail & Highlander sets)
MR 20T Brake Van Jan/Feb
Class 101 Jan/Feb
Class 319 Jan/Feb
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So more Mk2A's are coming but what is currently proposed isn't the most useful.
There is a Blue BSO shown as Awaiting a date so with some wishful thinking we may see a blue TSO or a Regional Railways BSO to match what is due out.
The ScotRail and Highlander set come with a BG and DMU Observation coach respectively which don't really lend themselves to easily make up full trains.
I will be after 4 ScotRail TSO's but I am not sure what I am going to do with 3 Spare BG's after keeping one.
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I think others have summarized my feelings with better worded replies. 3 month cycle not bad but there needs to be something to draw you in and keep expectations up which is currently lacking.
@CaleyDave (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4869)
I notice the last item item on your new list is a class 23. Is this a typo of yours, or does it truly exist, in which case be still my beating heart!!
Quote from: Newportnobby on August 08, 2021, 03:05:12 PM
@CaleyDave (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4869)
I notice the last item item on your new list is a class 23. Is this a typo of yours, or does it truly exist, in which case be still my beating heart!!
Sorry to say it was a Typo
Not sure how I turned 24/1 into 23 :doh:
Quote from: CaleyDave on August 08, 2021, 03:08:13 PM
Sorry to say it was a Typo
Not sure how I turned 24/1 into 23 :doh:
24 - 1 = 23.
Simples :D
Quote from: CaleyDave on August 08, 2021, 03:08:13 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on August 08, 2021, 03:05:12 PM
@CaleyDave (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4869)
I notice the last item item on your new list is a class 23. Is this a typo of yours, or does it truly exist, in which case be still my beating heart!!
Sorry to say it was a Typo
Not sure how I turned 24/1 into 23 :doh:
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
For those unaware, the Farish "Also Arriving Autumn 2021" as follows:
Class 150/1 2-car DMU BR Provincial
BR 45T TTA Charringtons Black
BR 45T TTA Fina Silver
5 Plank Wagon Wooden Floor J H Rainbow Red
5 Plank Wagon Wooden Floor Devlin's Trawlers Green
5 Plank Wagon Fixed End Wooden Floor A Butler & Co. Black
5 Plank 3-Wagon Tripled Pack BR Grey
7 Plank Wagon End Door BR Grey
7 Plank Wagon End Door Tredegar Grey
7 Plank Wagon End Door Whitwick Grey
7 Plank Wagon End Door Highley Mining Company Red
8 Plank Wagon End Door Ketton Cement Red
8 Plank Wagon Coke Rails Stanton Red
8 Plank Wagon Fixed End William Harrison Grey
LMS 20T Brake Van BR Grey
LMS 20T Brake Van LMS Grey
Platforms (x4)
3-Hole Disc Wagon Wheels (x10 axles)
Spoked Wheels (x10 Axles)
Coach Wheels (x10 axles)
Best
Scott
For those unaware, the "Farish N Scale Works Report" as follows:
In the Tool Room:
Class 158 DMU (New Tooling)
Class 14 (Sound Upgrade)
Engineering Prototypes received or awaited (!):
BR Standard 5MT (Sound Upgrade)
Livery Samples received or awaited (!):
Class 60 (Sound Upgrade)
Class 450 EMU
Class 47 (Crewe Cut)
Approved for Production:
Class 319 EMU
Best
Scott.
Wheels coming back into stock, that's good!
njee said coming back into stock
3-Hole Disc Wagon Wheels (x10 axles)
Spoked Wheels (x10 Axles)
Coach Wheels (x10 axles)
plenty of alternatives available @ Osborns
Really? The only thing search returns is 33" Intermountain ones, which are out of stock.
njee20 the links are here
coach https://www.osbornsmodels.com/ocww-n-gauge-7mm-coach-wheels--on-15mm-pinpoint-axles4-52655-p.asp (https://www.osbornsmodels.com/ocww-n-gauge-7mm-coach-wheels--on-15mm-pinpoint-axles4-52655-p.asp)
wagon spoked https:/www.osbornsmodels.com/ocww-sp/oked-wagon-wheels-8-52675-p.asp (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/www.osbornsmodels.com/ocww-sp/oked-wagon-wheels-8-52675-p.asp)
Wagon Disc (3-hole) https://www.osbornsmodels.com/metal-3-hole-disc-wheels-x-4-52741-p.asp (https://www.osbornsmodels.com/metal-3-hole-disc-wheels-x-4-52741-p.asp)
regards
Maurice
spoked link did not work
try this instead
https://www.osbornsmodels.com/ocww-spoked-wagon-wheels-8-52675-p.asp (https://www.osbornsmodels.com/ocww-spoked-wagon-wheels-8-52675-p.asp)
I did not see the point in packing in 10's especially coach wheels
Quote from: NGS-PO on August 09, 2021, 08:07:49 PM
For those unaware, the "Farish N Scale Works Report" as follows:
In the Tool Room:
Class 158 DMU (New Tooling)
Class 14 (Sound Upgrade)
Engineering Prototypes received or awaited (!):
BR Standard 5MT (Sound Upgrade)
Livery Samples received or awaited (!):
Class 60 (Sound Upgrade)
Class 450 EMU
Class 47 (Crewe Cut)
Approved for Production:
Class 319 EMU
Best
Scott.
Many thanks for that Scott,
Personally this I think could be the missing piece in the Farish while giving us the what you can buy this month lines telling us where projects are up to is always nice!
Although "Approved for production" in the case of the 319 could mean a long wait still :P