Hi all!
I know that the 4-6-0 might not be right for my branch line Yorkshire WW2 layout, but...
It's a British loco! For next to nothing! In Sweden!
https://www.tradera.com/item/180707/471735395/ixion-torquay-manor (https://www.tradera.com/item/180707/471735395/ixion-torquay-manor)
Can I remodel this to look like it would fit? I know it's a BR model, but if I use it as a donor chassi?
Looks very like the original over-scale Manor that should have been recalled....
Cheers,
Alan
OK so it's a GWR loco in later BR livery. What loco would you want to use the chassis for, remembering it's loco drive but shaft driven from the motor in the tender so the two halves really need to stay together. Otherwise you'll have to create a whole new tender and motor mount etc.
As Al says the first batch of the Ixion Manor were found to be over-scale and were recalled. The model was re-tooled. The revised version was later taken over by Dapol.
Apply rule #1!!!
Mask treachourous parts using thin plates simulating partial armour. Apply a random camouflage schema using black and dark greys. And if somebody dares to ask... then it is a US test loco...
American locos are bigger, so the oversize is easily explained.
Quote from: ntpntpntp on June 04, 2021, 07:32:33 PM
OK so it's a GWR loco in later BR livery. What loco would you want to use the chassis for, remembering it's loco drive but shaft driven from the motor in the tender so the two halves really need to stay together. Otherwise you'll have to create a whole new tender and motor mount etc.
As Al says the first batch of the Ixion Manor were found to be over-scale and were recalled. The model was re-tooled. The revised version was later taken over by Dapol.
The B8 seems to be a possibility, a "what if" for the war effort.
https://www.lner.info/locos/B/b8.php (https://www.lner.info/locos/B/b8.php)
Tat one has a tender as well, so hopefully it might work?
What about an LNER A5 4-6-2?
https://www.lner.info/locos/A/a5.php (https://www.lner.info/locos/A/a5.php)
Body availble on Shapeways by Recreation21.
Needs a bit more work, you have to make the rear pony truck and find a way to mount the motor in the loco.
And needs some Investigation re wheel spacing etc. to check if the mechanism will fit in the body and will look ok.
Jan
Quote from: JanW on June 04, 2021, 09:37:29 PM
What about an LNER A5 4-6-2?
https://www.lner.info/locos/A/a5.php (https://www.lner.info/locos/A/a5.php)
Body availble on Shapeways by Recreation21.
Needs a bit more work, you have to make the rear pony truck and find a way to mount the motor in the loco.
And needs some Investigation re wheel spacing etc. to check if the mechanism will fit in the body and will look ok.
Jan
If I can make it work, the A6 seems more appropriate. I'll have to figure out how to move the motor, and it probably won't look perfect, but it would be something to run.
I placed the minimum bid, and got it. It will be here some day next week. This will give me a chance to "look under the bonnet" of a loco, take it apart and so on.
400 kr is about £34, not a bad price if it's in good condition!
It arrived today. Wow! It's so pretty, like new, in the original box, with the instructions and two small zip-lock bags with men and detailing bits (I guess).
Quote from: Reptilian Feline on June 08, 2021, 09:56:15 PM
It arrived today. Wow! It's so pretty, like new, in the original box, with the instructions and two small zip-lock bags with men and detailing bits (I guess).
Thanks Sara. That was service! What is your new loco please?
Quote from: crewearpley40 on June 08, 2021, 09:59:58 PM
Quote from: Reptilian Feline on June 08, 2021, 09:56:15 PM
It arrived today. Wow! It's so pretty, like new, in the original box, with the instructions and two small zip-lock bags with men and detailing bits (I guess).
Thanks Sara. That was service! What is your new loco please?
It's the Ixion Torquay Manor, as I put in the first post. Used, but looks new. I haven't tested how it runs yet, but I figure it will work like a charm after I've oiled it as the instructions say. Now I just have to decide what to convert it to.
Why convert it? ... say it's an american prototype/test mule
Quote from: AlexanderJesse on June 08, 2021, 10:43:49 PM
Why convert it? ... say it's an american prototype/test mule
An American prototype on a branch line in north Yorkshire during WW2? :confused2: Can't see how that would fit... not really.
Quote from: Reptilian Feline on June 08, 2021, 11:30:14 PM
Quote from: AlexanderJesse on June 08, 2021, 10:43:49 PM
Why convert it? ... say it's an american prototype/test mule
An American prototype on a branch line in north Yorkshire during WW2? :confused2: Can't see how that would fit... not really.
Not so ridiculous. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USATC_S160_Class
the Keighley and Worth Valley Railway still has one I think.
There was also an 0-6-0 tank engine sent over from the US for wartime work, so not entirely unbelievable another loco type might've made it across for testing.
Quote from: Reptilian Feline on June 08, 2021, 11:30:14 PM
Quote from: AlexanderJesse on June 08, 2021, 10:43:49 PM
Why convert it? ... say it's an american prototype/test mule
An American prototype on a branch line in north Yorkshire during WW2? :confused2: Can't see how that would fit... not really.
Just because there is no textbook saying it happened, it could still be that some tests were made. Or because during training the usafdestroyed a loco, the branch line got a replacement from the usra contingent...
Or because you bend the history a bit to make it Happen... rule 1...
Quote from: AlexanderJesse on June 08, 2021, 10:43:49 PM
Why convert it? ... say it's an american prototype/test mule
Is/was there anything American that looked like a GWR Manor? An S160 definitely doesn't.
It'd be better to pretend that the 1948 exchange trials were repeated a few years later for smaller locos/lines - ignoring the fact that by the time the later BR livery the BR Standard classes were well in production.
Or simply model it as a heritage railway where pretty well anything goes, and sometimes does ;)
Quote from: AlexanderJesse on June 09, 2021, 12:25:36 AM
Quote from: Reptilian Feline on June 08, 2021, 11:30:14 PM
Quote from: AlexanderJesse on June 08, 2021, 10:43:49 PM
Why convert it? ... say it's an american prototype/test mule
An American prototype on a branch line in north Yorkshire during WW2? :confused2: Can't see how that would fit... not really.
Just because there is no textbook saying it happened, it could still be that some tests were made. Or because during training the usafdestroyed a loco, the branch line got a replacement from the usra contingent...
Or because you bend the history a bit to make it Happen... rule 1...
I always find this the most annoying use of 'rule 1'. The OP has stated in several threads her intention to use locally sourced models and convert them to more geographically and temporally appropriate models for her chosen prototype. "Just say it's rule 1" is really unhelpful. Why not buy OO gauge and say they've invented a enlarging ray?! Of course there's nothing wrong with running whatever you want, but there's also nothing wrong with wanting to do things right.
Quote from: njee20 on June 09, 2021, 07:34:43 AM
Quote from: AlexanderJesse on June 09, 2021, 12:25:36 AM
Quote from: Reptilian Feline on June 08, 2021, 11:30:14 PM
Quote from: AlexanderJesse on June 08, 2021, 10:43:49 PM
Why convert it? ... say it's an american prototype/test mule
An American prototype on a branch line in north Yorkshire during WW2? :confused2: Can't see how that would fit... not really.
Just because there is no textbook saying it happened, it could still be that some tests were made. Or because during training the usafdestroyed a loco, the branch line got a replacement from the usra contingent...
Or because you bend the history a bit to make it Happen... rule 1...
I always find this the most annoying use of 'rule 1'. The OP has stated in several threads her intention to use locally sourced models and convert them to more geographically and temporally appropriate models for her chosen prototype. "Just say it's rule 1" is really unhelpful. Why not buy OO gauge and say they've invented a enlarging ray?! Of course there's nothing wrong with running whatever you want, but there's also nothing wrong with wanting to do things right.
Thank you!
As a side note on the S160 US loco, it looks like my Minitrix express loco would fit the bill, from a quick look... the tender and wheels match.
That said...
I don't mind bending reality a little... my first idea of a layout was a museum railway on a far away planet where the trees where purple and the architecture hexagonal. I soon lost interest in that idea though.
I will run my pretty little Fleishmann steam shunter on the layout, just for the pleasure of running it, but it won't have a permanent spot there, unless I can give it a more fitting body. It's an 0-8-0 with tiny wheels, as if it was an 8-0-0.
I like things to be as close as possible to a reality that could have been... kind of like the fictional place in a movie or a TV show... looks real, never happened, kind of thing. I just spent a lot of time finding out the proper codes for the LNER 1937 station livery, so the downloaded goods shed will have the proper colours, the right brick texture, and not look so clipart-ish. If I wanted it easy, I'd buy a Swedish starter set, and play trains on the living room floor. ;)