Dapol have a new batch of Britannias due Q4 2021/Q1 2022:
2S-017-006 Britannia 70000 BR unlined Black early crest
2S-017-007 Firth of Clyde 70050 BR Lines Green Early crest
2S-017-008 Firth of Forth 70051 BR Lined Green Late Crest
2S-017-009 Owen Glendower 70010 BR Unlined Green late crest
2S-017-010 East Anglian Set: Sir Christopher Wren 70039 BR Green early crest and 4 Gresley Crimson & Cream Coaches
RRP of the single models is £144.95 with the train pack having RRP of £260.
Discounts of 15% should be easy to find.
Steven B.
I wonder what'll be pushed further back in the pecking order to make room :hmmm:
Will they still have grey wheels? Old pics on Rails website.
Do Dapol have a surfeit of Gresleys as this is the second announcement of a train pack (the other being the 'Pines Express' with 9F and 4 Gresleys)
Nearest for me would be either of the late crest ones which were based at Banbury in Oct '65 :-\
Loco price at Rails is £123.21 which isn't shocking :)
Interesting choice of names and numbers.
70000 was in unlined black during January 1951 only before being repainted into lined green.
70050/51 were BR1D high sided tenders-a version not modelled before? (All my Britannias are Stratford/Norwich engines so only had BR1s).
Martyn
I like that Dapol keep doing runs of locos and do different numbers each time.
That's typical....just when I'd nearly finished a high sided BR1D tender conversion... lol.....
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51222426731_5337a82891_k.jpg)
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: martyn on June 03, 2021, 03:15:57 PM
Interesting choice of names and numbers.
70050/51 were BR1D high sided tenders-a version not modelled before? (All my Britannias are Stratford/Norwich engines so only had BR1s).
Martyn
I doubt very much whether Dapol will be re-tooling for a new tender: they will just slap the names and numbers on the existing model and you will have to live with it.
I base this (cynical) opinion on the fact that Dapol are also advertising an LNER
A1 "Flying Scotsman" as a forthcoming model. Having got all excited by the prospect of an original condition A1 with GNR tender I discovered that what they mean by an "A1" is their existing A3 model in LNER livery named and numbered as "Flying Scotsman"!
Richard T
Quote from: Richard Taylor on June 03, 2021, 07:57:51 PM
I doubt very much whether Dapol will be re-tooling for a new tender: they will just slap the names and numbers on the existing model and you will have to live with it.
Maybe, but I wouldn't assume this.
Dapol did the CAD for all variations of the Britannia - it was displayed at the time, including high sided tenders. It was always a mystery to me why they never used it.
I also doubt they could get away with just changing name/number without a load of flak - this is too big a difference for folks to overlook.
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Richard Taylor on June 03, 2021, 07:57:51 PM
Quote from: martyn on June 03, 2021, 03:15:57 PM
Interesting choice of names and numbers.
70050/51 were BR1D high sided tenders-a version not modelled before? (All my Britannias are Stratford/Norwich engines so only had BR1s).
Martyn
I doubt very much whether Dapol will be re-tooling for a new tender: they will just slap the names and numbers on the existing model and you will have to live with it.
I base this (cynical) opinion on the fact that Dapol are also advertising an LNER A1 "Flying Scotsman" as a forthcoming model. Having got all excited by the prospect of an original condition A1 with GNR tender I discovered that what they mean by an "A1" is their existing A3 model in LNER livery named and numbered as "Flying Scotsman"!
Richard T
There is a comment from them on the Facebook page stating that the tender will be "...tooling has also been done to give an impression of a coal pusher to give the correct tender type to the relevant models."
Best
Scott.
Well, I very much hope I'm wrong then! So, why not do the A1 properly as well?
Richard
Quote from: Dr Al on June 03, 2021, 08:10:18 PM
Quote from: Richard Taylor on June 03, 2021, 07:57:51 PM
I doubt very much whether Dapol will be re-tooling for a new tender: they will just slap the names and numbers on the existing model and you will have to live with it.
I also doubt they could get away with just changing name/number without a load of flak - this is too big a difference for folks to overlook.
Cheers,
Alan
Of course they could. Only a small proportion of buyers will even know that x loco should have y tender, and Dapol (and Farish) have a history of releasing stock without accurate portrayal of all of the intricacies of intra-class variation.
Quote from: njee20 on June 03, 2021, 10:14:58 PM
Of course they could. Only a small proportion of buyers will even know that x loco should have y tender, and Dapol (and Farish) have a history of releasing stock without accurate portrayal of all of the intricacies of intra-class variation.
I disagree - the clear difference in these tender types was not subtle nor an 'intricacy' - it was very prominent.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49584044332_a1151709e0_5k.jpg)
as compared:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50258516853_60c00f45b3_k.jpg)
Sure, they 'could'.....but they would get a lot of criticism. They have got plenty for far far less - and given they did the CAD back in the day, it would be a no brainer. Does sounds like they are going to, so will be interesting to see how they look.
Gives me more kick to finish mine before they do.....Dapol have got into the habit in recent times - I've a Strathclyde liveried 156 nearly done too...
Cheers,
Alan
@Dr Al (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=263) well do us all a BIG favour Alan and start a rebuilt Bullied Pacific :D
Quote from: exmouthcraig on June 03, 2021, 10:48:49 PM
@Dr Al (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=263) well do us all a BIG favour Alan and start a rebuilt Bullied Pacific :D
I've dabbled there before....but southern region's your thing, Craig. Mind you, I fixed a Terrier tonight...
Cheers,
Alan
According to Hattons, "A new tooling variation will also cover the BR1D tender and impression of a coal pusher on relevant models".
Quote from: Dr Al on June 03, 2021, 10:44:27 PM
I disagree - the clear difference in these tender types was not subtle nor an 'intricacy' - it was very prominent.
Sure, they 'could'.....but they would get a lot of criticism. They have got plenty for far far less - and given they did the CAD back in the day, it would be a no brainer. Does sounds like they are going to, so will be interesting to see how they look.
Yep, not denying it's very obvious, but you said you doubt they could get away without retooling the tender. I disagree, of course they could. Yes they'd get flak, like they do on every stupid 'male chicken' (changed by forum) up they make, and there are a lot, many of which are entirely unavoidable, but it'd still sell, and most would likely be none the wiser.
Quote from: njee20 on June 04, 2021, 12:00:51 AM
I disagree, of course they could.
Their history of similar models made that unlikely. The 9F, another very similar sized BR standard, has several tenders tooled, including the two virtually cosmetically identical to those used on the Brit - BR1G (Brit has identical apart from cab handrails BR1A) and BR1C (Brit has virtually identical BR1D....).
Indeed, if Dapol wanted to cheap out, they need only retool the drawbar to couple up a 9F BR1C tender.....
....like I did.
But this is all a mute point - they are tooling it. I personally give modellers much more credit - if Dapol slapped a BR1A on them I think many *would* be wise to it being wrong.
Cheers,
Alan
A mute point eh? Sure people would be rather loud if they got it wrong. ;)
Agreed though, it's good they are tooling for the differences. Someone can add a another day to the "days since last pointless mistake" counter at Dapol HQ!
i did read they have a metal chassis. Same as the 9F metal chassis ?
No, it is metal, and enables a realistic load to be hauled. Mine are happy with 10-12 on when hauling passenger trains, or about 35 wagons-I don't run longer trains than that.
Biggest failure is the loco-tender power wires, they are fragile and need adjusting in position to get better longevity.
Martyn
Provided that they do tool a new tender top (and indications are they will), then I'm surprised there is not more comment on 70000 in all black.
It only wore this livery from about 5th January to the end of January when it was released to trials and traffic in passenger lined green.
One for the collectors?
If they don't retool the tender top, there could be some cheap models going in the future :D
Martyn
Quote from: Bigmac on June 04, 2021, 08:53:28 AM
i did read they have a metal chassis. Same as the 9F metal chassis ?
The 9F has not and will not have a metal chassis (see https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=53992.msg712320#msg712320 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=53992.msg712320#msg712320))
i thought Bigmac might have been sarcastic! :)
martyn
Quote from: Bigmac on June 04, 2021, 08:53:28 AM
i did read they have a metal chassis. Same as the 9F metal chassis ?
The Brits have always had metal chassis frames, and a large tungsten boiler weight, and coupled with traction tyres this gives ample traction.
The tyres can be a pain, not intrinsically in terms of design; rather misuse - I've lost count the number of oily tyres I've seen that have expanded and gone oval. Keep oil away from them at all costs folks!
Cheers,
Alan
I must have missed that if so, as the Brit does have a die cast chassis as pointed out by Alan
To be a total pedant nobby, technically the chassis is not a die cast block like Farish use. These, as all the Dapol models of the time, have metal flat plate frames (just like a real loco!) separated by plastic frame spacers.
Here's what they look like - genesis of a Brit if you like:
(https://www.dccsupplies.com/csp/dcc/dcc/products/400/109270_chassis_plate_(rh__dapol_britannia.jpg)
Truthfully, the metal in terms of weight here is relatively small; the larger boiler weight as compared the 9F (whose boiler is smaller diameter) combined with the tyres (which 9Fs don't have) are the main contributors to differences in haulage.
Metal frames certainly don't warp or suffer twists and suchlike in the mouldings that some of the 9Fs do.
Cheers,
Alan
Thanks for the correction, Alan. I was just going by the description on Rails website.
I would certainly be more interested in a high capacity tender variant as I think all the Annesley Brits were.
I must respectfully disagree as regards punting more Brits out with just a name and number change - enough people definitely would notice the wrong tender, some ,locos only ever ran with the high capacity variant, and "near enough is good enough" to that degree just doesn't work these says.
Roy
Hi,
Some interesting comments but I am surprised no one has mentioned the fact that all the "new" models are being produced in Analogue (DCC ready) form only -- If I have got it right from Dapol, Hattons and Rails website. Bearing in mind the new M7 and the fact that Dapol had hitherto produced both digital and analogue models have they looked at their figures?
Britannia was of course also black at one time in preservation and probably plenty of colour photographic evidence of the fact.
I don't follow locos in preservation, so I stand corrected if it did run in black then.
However, Dapol paint the ends of the pony truck and tender wheel axle boxes yellow; this was not done until the end of their lives (RCTS History) and photos seem to bear this out. Yellow axle boxes would seem to be only correct with the late BR crest, not the early-unless, again, possibly in preservation.
Martyn
Quote from: martyn on June 04, 2021, 09:32:56 AM
i thought Bigmac might have been sarcastic! :)
martyn
i was--being as the 9f re-run was advertised as having a metal chassis, which was subsequently shown to be incorrect.