Hi all
Just incase anyone does not get emails from Rails of Sheffield and others.
Dapol have just announced a new production run of their 9F locomotive.
Shame the Evening Star will only be available in a 4 coach pack as that was the one I was hopping for.
Expected availability Q4 2021 to Q1 2022
https://railsofsheffield.com/groups/3504/dapol-n-gauge-class-9f
Nice to see some new stock coming soon (ish) for N-Gauge.
NGM
At least a lined green one will be available on its own as 92214 (2s-013-009). Let's hope it comes with the two nameplate sets: 'Central Star' and 'Leicester City'.
Aw - I was hoping for a Farish 9F :(
Interesting that the coaching pack for the Pines Express set is made up of Gresley stock - I know Dapol have to work with what they make, but as far as I know Gresleys were only used as occasional strengtheners on the Pines. Nothing wrong with them, but four is probably more than you'd ever see on one train, and it does mean you'll want to pad them out with some Staniers or MK1s from Farish for a more authentic experience.
That's not a complaint (I've pre-ordered mine already), more an observation. Any excuse to add more variety to my rolling stock, and it offers a pretty realistic Newcastle-Bournemouth cross-country train from the same period!
Quote from: msr on May 18, 2021, 01:44:53 PM
At least a lined green one will be available on its own as 92214 (2s-013-009). Let's hope it comes with the two nameplate sets: 'Central Star' and 'Leicester City'.
Mmm, I assume this is a preserved loco livery as there was only one BR Green 9F back in the day (92220)?
Kind regards
Paddy
Yay, no more searching on eBay for an Evening Star!
The models announced are as follows:
2S-013-006 92079 BR unlined black early crest
2S-013-007 92051 BR unlined black early crest
2S-013-008 92189 BR unlined black late crest
2S-013-009 92214 BR Lined Green Late Crest (preserved livery!)
2S-013-010 The Pines Express 92220 Evening Star with four Gresley Maroon Coaches
All single models are RRP £135, Evening Star train pack RRP £250.
Evening Star's been done twice before - once as a Collectors Club exclusive and again as a general release model in weathered condition.
The train pack is a little odd - The Pines Express (Manchester to Bournemouth) was a BR(M) service and would have run with either Mk1s or LMS vehicles rather than LNER Gresley coaches. I wonder which types they'll include?
Steven B.
i wonder if dapol have done anything about the running / pulling ability ? Very keen price.
Quote from: Steven B on May 18, 2021, 02:41:12 PM
Yay, no more searching on eBay for an Evening Star!
The models announced are as follows:
2S-013-006 92079 BR unlined black early crest
2S-013-007 92051 BR unlined black early crest
2S-013-008 92189 BR unlined black late crest
2S-013-009 92214 BR Lined Green Late Crest (preserved livery!)
2S-013-010 The Pines Express 92220 Evening Star with four Gresley Maroon Coaches
All single models are RRP £135, Evening Star train pack RRP £250.
Evening Star's been done twice before - once as a Collectors Club exclusive and again as a general release model in weathered condition.
The train pack is a little odd - The Pines Express (Manchester to Bournemouth) was a BR(M) service and would have run with either Mk1s or LMS vehicles rather than LNER Gresley coaches. I wonder which types they'll include?
Steven B.
check Rail's prices !
Sadly the 2 I have are so fragile I hardly dare run them so won't be risking another :(
Hattons have them at the same price as Rails - £114.75
I was hoping that they would upgrade to loco-drive and/or a Crosti version but any 9F is welcome. I only have 1 and it runs OK but I still dislike the Dapol drive-shaft system. I will be ordering at least one of these.
QuoteLet's hope it comes with the two nameplate sets: 'Central Star' and 'Leicester City'.
Leicester City - to coincide with winning the FA Cup? Always wondered why Dapol didn't produce the Terriers 'Millwall' or Fulham - obvious marketing opportunities...
Quote from: Bigmac on May 18, 2021, 02:42:48 PM
i wonder if dapol have done anything about the running / pulling ability ? Very keen price.
Yes I'm wondering if there are any changes or improvements to the models? Not that I'm in the market for one, just curious.
I have one of the original release Evening Stars, it comes out of the box maybe once or twice a year when I feel like stirring the mechanisms of my British N collection. Looks nice but doesn't pull like the old Minitrix 2-10-0 could.
Pricing looks very keen bearing in mind that when these were launched I think RRP was £105 for the first (and very flaky compared to later ones) batch in about 2007.
Roy
Quote from: Thorpe Parva on May 18, 2021, 03:03:08 PM
I was hoping that they would upgrade to loco-drive and/or a Crosti version but any 9F is welcome. I only have 1 and it runs OK but I still dislike the Dapol drive-shaft system.
It does divide opinion... Personally, I'd take the Dapol cardan shaft driving the loco wheels over the Farish tender drive for aesthetics when in motion. There's nothing worse than the loco skidding along with the wheels not turning propelled by a buzzing box... Admittedly both are beaten hands down by a loco mounted motor driving the loco wheels directly like the new 8Fs...
Link below for the Dapol online catalogue page 37 has the details, not sure if they are changed from previous versions.
http://www.dapol.co.uk/Catalogue/36/index.html (http://www.dapol.co.uk/Catalogue/36/index.html)
Guessing as it is a 6 pin decoder then it hasn't had any significant changes as they may have switched it to Next18 if they had?
Does anyone know if there's room in the tender for a speaker along with the decoder? I've not had a gander inside a Dapol tender before.
Quote from: LASteve on May 18, 2021, 05:54:02 PM
Does anyone know if there's room in the tender for a speaker along with the decoder? I've not had a gander inside a Dapol tender before.
It's been done! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AJ1XK8S7u8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AJ1XK8S7u8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5iP2to2DJQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5iP2to2DJQ)
Thanks! I wonder if it was relatively easy or if Paul had to do some grinding and cutting? I have a sound-fitted CL33 which I bought from him, he does a great job.
The spec says "heavy diecast chassis" - is this what the old model had?
Dave
It does need more weight over the driving wheels if possible.
92079 is an interesting choice as this loco became the Lickey Banker when it was a few months old. She spent a large part of her life carrying Big Bertha's lamp on her smoke box. She also had a section of the near side tender side top cut out to help coaling at Bromsgrove. I wonder if someone will be offering a 3D printed lamp for this loco. It would make for an interesting version.
I would have the Maunsell coaches in BR green would have been more suitable for the Somerset & Dorset as the Southern Region provided a lot of the coaches used on the S&D. From the photos I have the Pines Express seemed to be mostly Stanier coaches which of course is no good for Dapol. Greeley coaches were seen on some workings.
Nevertheless it's good to see Dapol proposing a train pack as these are good for new starters. Farish seem to have stopped doing sets completely at the moment.
i think--in the youtube review of several versions--the reviewer said the earlier versions were heavier than the later ones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNxfOYIB51M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNxfOYIB51M)
Quote from: LASteve on May 18, 2021, 05:54:02 PM
Does anyone know if there's room in the tender for a speaker along with the decoder? I've not had a gander inside a Dapol tender before.
It quite an easy conversion, have a gander at the guide over on YouChoos website, basically the speaker sits were the decoder now sits, removing the plastic slope and the new decoder sits on top of the motor. A nice quick conversion as conversions go.
NGM
Quote from: Steven B on May 18, 2021, 02:41:12 PM
Evening Star's been done twice before - once as a Collectors Club exclusive and again as a general release model in weathered condition.
There was a general release in the second batch of 9Fs (with finer wheels than the first batch, sprung front bogie, though with the same original style motor) as catalogue number ND-090, which wasn't a club edition (I have one bought new, never been a club member).
The weathered release was much later, with super creep style motor, and seems surprisingly uncommon - either it was very popular, or they didn't make too many.
Cheers,
Alan
I thought ND-090 was the Club model. The 2008 catalogue lists 9Fs starting with catalogue number ND-090a. There's no mention of Evening Star.
2S-013-003 was the weathered Evening Star which appeared in the 2014/15 catalogue.
Steven B.
Definitely available as a general release - I recall it, and I bought one, as I also bought 92233 at the same time (as the 2nd releases were so much better than the first batch with their steamroller wheels and missing pickups)!
Hattons has some good pics from their original listing at the time, including of box with catalogue number:
https://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklistdatabase/23446/dapol_nd090_class_9f_evening_star_2_10_0_92220_br_green_with_late_crest_br1g_tender_double_/stockdetail.aspx (https://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklistdatabase/23446/dapol_nd090_class_9f_evening_star_2_10_0_92220_br_green_with_late_crest_br1g_tender_double_/stockdetail.aspx)
The black painted valve gear is also unique to the first/second batch models - anything later had gunmetal painted gear - this will be a good way to telling them apart from the forthcoming release on the secondhand market going forward.
Cheers,
Alan
Yep, got my ND-090 sitting in its box right in front of me, bought brand new from a trader at TINGS for £89
Quote from: Southerngooner on May 18, 2021, 06:28:20 PM
The spec says "heavy diecast chassis" - is this what the old model had?
Dave
I am pretty sure the chassis was plastic and often went banana shaped, but I also recall that in a Dapol catalogue it erroneously referred to them having metal chassis sometime later and I wonder if it is just a lift and drop of the spec that was there.
I guess the best person to ask is @Dr Al (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=263) of this parish who has doubtless has his hands on examples from each production run.
Roy
Quote from: N_GaugeModeller on May 18, 2021, 09:15:50 PM
It quite an easy conversion, have a gander at the guide over on YouChoos website ...
Thanks, I should have looked there first! John Gymer's the font of all knowledge for sound fitting as far as I'm concerned!
Quote from: Roy L S on May 19, 2021, 05:58:28 PM
I am pretty sure the chassis was plastic and often went banana shaped, but I also recall that in a Dapol catalogue it erroneously referred to them having metal chassis sometime later and I wonder if it is just a lift and drop of the spec that was there.
Yes, correct.
The batches were as follows:
Batch 1 - wide deep flanged wheels, no spring bogie, missing front pickups (also promised in the pre-release adverts), Tomix style motor, black rods.
Batch 2 - finer profile wheels, sprung front bogie, front driver pickups, Tomix style motor, black rods
Batch 3 onwards - finer profile wheels, sprung front bogie, front driver pickups, super creep motor, gunmetal rods.
All had plastic chassis, and the later batch 3+ models are more variable, I've seen a number with badly bowed chassis so that they see-saw on central drivers. Can be corrected, but shows that either the tooling had wear or those batches weren't well moulded. One to watch out for on new runs.
I've seen no evidence of any weight difference between batches, though haven't honestly been looking for it.
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Dr Al on May 19, 2021, 10:35:43 PM
Quote from: Roy L S on May 19, 2021, 05:58:28 PM
I am pretty sure the chassis was plastic and often went banana shaped, but I also recall that in a Dapol catalogue it erroneously referred to them having metal chassis sometime later and I wonder if it is just a lift and drop of the spec that was there.
Yes, correct.
The batches were as follows:
Batch 1 - wide deep flanged wheels, no spring bogie, missing front pickups (also promised in the pre-release adverts), Tomix style motor, black rods.
Batch 2 - finer profile wheels, sprung front bogie, front driver pickups, Tomix style motor, black rods
Batch 3 onwards - finer profile wheels, sprung front bogie, front driver pickups, super creep motor, gunmetal rods.
All had plastic chassis, and the later batch 3+ models are more variable, I've seen a number with badly bowed chassis so that they see-saw on central drivers. Can be corrected, but shows that either the tooling had wear or those batches weren't well moulded. One to watch out for on new runs.
I've seen no evidence of any weight difference between batches, though haven't honestly been looking for it.
Cheers,
Alan
the one ive got is the first gen--i fitted the front pony spring--very fiddly job that was. I hadnt noticed the deep flanges. It does run smoothly and much quieter than 28xx, manor and grange.
the main thing to me is the price! if it does now have a metal chassis it could be a winner.
I suspect at that price, (Farish take note) they will sell Very well indeed.
NGM
Quote from: Thorpe Parva on May 18, 2021, 03:03:08 PM
I was hoping that they would upgrade to loco-drive and/or a Crosti version
Methinks a Crosti would involve new tooling and Dapol seem to be avoiding that in N, relying instead on re-releases or new liveries
If they were going to do it accurately, it would most definitely require major retooling, both above and below the running board.
The prototype was not long lived, or particularly successful, anyway.
Quote from: Thorpe Parva on May 18, 2021, 03:03:08 PM
I was hoping that they would upgrade to loco-drive... it runs OK but I still dislike the Dapol drive-shaft system.
It already is loco-drive, not tender-drive. It's a shame Dapol's implementation of shaft-drive is a bit clunky and obvious, every time I look at mine I wonder why the rear shaft pocket has to be so large and visible?
Other brands I own have managed shaft drive much more neatly - and they'll go round 9" radius curves :) Done properly it allows maximum weight over the drive wheels (more weight than having a motor in the loco), a decent powerful motor in the tender and room for DCC gubbins.
This is a Roco model from the 1980s, much neater shaft drive just by having the pocket further back in the tender
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/109/5885-200521102858.jpeg)
This is a Hobbytrain (Kato) model also from the 1980s, you can see the pocket but it's smaller than the Dapol version
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/109/5885-200521103205.jpeg)
i had to smile-just now-i was slowly reversing my 9f into the left curve track of a peco 55 medium radius point; halfway through the loco got very tired and fell completely off the track--onto its side and lay there dead. None of my 50+ other locos do this.
Quote from: Bealman on May 20, 2021, 09:44:48 AM
If they were going to do it accurately, it would most definitely require major retooling, both above and below the running board.
The prototype was not long lived, or particularly successful, anyway.
I would absolutely challenge the last point. That the locos were not long lived was not for reason of any problem with them it was due to the intervention and acceleration of the Modernisation Plan. The locos had plenty of life left in them and had there been a different policy would have lasted in traffic for many more years.
It was also arguably amongst the most successful heavy freight designs, being well regarded by drivers, easier to maintain, prepare and dispose of than older designs and capable of hauling very heavy trains. It also had a remarkable turn of speed, reputedly when "borrowed" for passenger trains on the Great Central being flailed along at near 90mph - until the authorities got wind.
The loco is deserving of a complete retool, the Dapol one originates from 2006/7 and in spite of some improvements and tweaks over the years is not close to current "state of the art". This, along with the tooling already having been amortised explains a lot of the price differential between it and say the new Farish 8F - about £35 on RRP - the Farish loco is most certainly worth the extra, it is in a totally different league in terms of specification and quality.
Roy
Quote from: Roy L S on May 20, 2021, 06:49:40 PM
Quote from: Bealman on May 20, 2021, 09:44:48 AM
If they were going to do it accurately, it would most definitely require major retooling, both above and below the running board.
The prototype was not long lived, or particularly successful, anyway.
I would absolutely challenge the last point. That the locos were not long lived was not for reason of any problem with them it was due to the intervention and acceleration of the Modernisation Plan. The locos had plenty of life left in them and had there been a different policy would have lasted in traffic for many more years.
It was also arguably amongst the most successful heavy freight designs, being well regarded by drivers, easier to maintain, prepare and dispose of than older designs and capable of hauling very heavy trains. It also had a remarkable turn of speed, reputedly when "borrowed" for passenger trains on the Great Central being flailed along at near 90mph - until the authorities got wind.
The loco is deserving of a complete retool, the Dapol one originates from 2006/7 and in spite of some improvements and tweaks over the years is not close to current "state of the art". This, along with the tooling already having been amortised explains a lot of the price differential between it and say the new Farish 8F - about £35 on RRP - the Farish loco is most certainly worth the extra, it is in a totally different league in terms of specification and quality.
Roy
I think George is referring to the unsuccessful nature of the Crosti modified 9Fs and not the 9F class as a whole.
Best
Scott
Agreed. Sorry, Roy, but I think you have the wrong interpretation of what George was saying.
All you say about the 9F I agree with, too.
I used to love them clanking through Wolverton with what seemed like endless freight wagons.
when i can buy one of this new batch--if it could only run and pull as well as it looks--it will be up there as one of my best locos.
Quote from: NGS-PO on May 20, 2021, 08:29:32 PM
Quote from: Roy L S on May 20, 2021, 06:49:40 PM
Quote from: Bealman on May 20, 2021, 09:44:48 AM
If they were going to do it accurately, it would most definitely require major retooling, both above and below the running board.
The prototype was not long lived, or particularly successful, anyway.
I would absolutely challenge the last point. That the locos were not long lived was not for reason of any problem with them it was due to the intervention and acceleration of the Modernisation Plan. The locos had plenty of life left in them and had there been a different policy would have lasted in traffic for many more years.
It was also arguably amongst the most successful heavy freight designs, being well regarded by drivers, easier to maintain, prepare and dispose of than older designs and capable of hauling very heavy trains. It also had a remarkable turn of speed, reputedly when "borrowed" for passenger trains on the Great Central being flailed along at near 90mph - until the authorities got wind.
The loco is deserving of a complete retool, the Dapol one originates from 2006/7 and in spite of some improvements and tweaks over the years is not close to current "state of the art". This, along with the tooling already having been amortised explains a lot of the price differential between it and say the new Farish 8F - about £35 on RRP - the Farish loco is most certainly worth the extra, it is in a totally different league in terms of specification and quality.
Roy
I think George is referring to the unsuccessful nature of the Crosti modified 9Fs and not the 9F class as a whole.
Best
Scott
Thanks Gents.
George my apologies, my misunderstanding. yes, the Crosti 9F I think can best be described as an experiment demonstrating the difference between a theory and what a result is in practice - not especially successful.
Kind Regards
Roy
Yes, I was referring only to the Crosti one.
However, I do agree that the 9Fs were awesome locomotives that were victims of the dieselisation plan.
9Fs--happy days..bunking Saltley shed in birmingham.
Hi Folks,
So to date the Dapol 9Fs have all had plastic chassis? Dapol seem to be saying that this batch has been upgraded to have a new metal chassis - correct? Has anyone been able to confirm this with Dapol?
Kind regards
Paddy
Quote from: Paddy on May 21, 2021, 09:42:47 AM
So to date the Dapol 9Fs have all had plastic chassis? Dapol seem to be saying that this batch has been upgraded to have a new metal chassis - correct? Has anyone been able to confirm this with Dapol?
Have posed the question to Joel on the Dapol Digest, Paddy
Quote from: Newportnobby on May 21, 2021, 10:35:51 AM
Quote from: Paddy on May 21, 2021, 09:42:47 AM
So to date the Dapol 9Fs have all had plastic chassis? Dapol seem to be saying that this batch has been upgraded to have a new metal chassis - correct? Has anyone been able to confirm this with Dapol?
Have posed the question to Joel on the Dapol Digest, Paddy
Thanks @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) - I did not want to duplicate effort.
Kind regards
Paddy
Quote from: Newportnobby on May 21, 2021, 10:35:51 AM
Quote from: Paddy on May 21, 2021, 09:42:47 AM
So to date the Dapol 9Fs have all had plastic chassis? Dapol seem to be saying that this batch has been upgraded to have a new metal chassis - correct? Has anyone been able to confirm this with Dapol?
Have posed the question to Joel on the Dapol Digest, Paddy
And he has replied not with metal news though
Quote from: Fardap on May 21, 2021, 11:14:49 AM
Quote from: Newportnobby on May 21, 2021, 10:35:51 AM
Quote from: Paddy on May 21, 2021, 09:42:47 AM
So to date the Dapol 9Fs have all had plastic chassis? Dapol seem to be saying that this batch has been upgraded to have a new metal chassis - correct? Has anyone been able to confirm this with Dapol?
Have posed the question to Joel on the Dapol Digest, Paddy
And he has replied not with metal news though
Hi @Fardap (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5581)
I do not understand your comment? Are you saying that Joel has stated this batch still has the plastic chassis?
Kind regards
Paddy
No change to previous versions he has said.
Quote from: Fardap on May 21, 2021, 11:43:22 AM
No change to previous versions he has said.
Thank you - that is a shame. :(
Kind regards
Paddy
If this is just a re release of the existing tooling, I am afraid that I won't be buying one as I already have 5, one of which needs a new final drive gear.(hopefully more spares will now be available) I would have hoped that it would at least have been fitted with traction tyres on at least one axle, which would have gone a long way to improve its poor haulage compared with newer models like the New 8F from Graham Farish which is streets ahead of it. I think that Dapol should have retooled this one as well as the M7, an opportunity missed as far as I am concerned.
Regards,
Alex
Quote from: Hailstone on May 22, 2021, 06:25:41 AMI think that Dapol should have retooled this one as well as the M7, an opportunity missed as far as I am concerned.
Two thoughts:
1. if they have money to invest in tooling, would you rather it goes on something new or re-tooling an existing model?
2. who's to say this run isn't getting the last drops out of the existing tooling before starting on a new version...
The price is very keen and may attract many who have previously missed out, but I doubt I will buy. I have one of the first release in my stash which is very much representative of that point before quality of engineering and mechanisms had caught up with the level of detail - all in all a bit "flaky". I'll happily stick with my 8Fs and WDs.
Of course if it was a shiny new model to the standards of the 8F and ready for sound that would be an entirely different situation.....
Roy
I really think we tend to forget what we used to NOT have. Look at @maridunian (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2947) 's Class 20 post, for example.
My 9Fs are Minitrix models, which are a compromise of a British body shoehorned onto a German chassis.
Any model is welcome.
Bring it on!
As I say, the price is very keen and at about £116 discounted only about a fiver or so more than the RRP when it was first launched in 2006/7!
It is most certainly a lot of loco for that kind of money these days and I am sure will sell quickly enough. Just probably not one for me.
Roy
I have one of the first batch (with replacement front bogie spring) which was numbered as one of the half-dozen or so which hauled the Fawley oil trains before the class 33s came in.
You can imagine the lack of haulage with any of the Revolution Class B tanks in tow. It is truly a display model only.
I also have a second batch "Black Prince" limited edition which is better and is a keeper because I rode behind it at Eastleigh in 1974.
I have sold on my Evening Star Club version (which was originally a club model and there were then some on general release as they did not all sell) and my Dapol weathered one because I did not see the point of a fistful of locos that didn't haul too well.
Same with my small tender Grange. The Hall tender is fine but the Manor tender versions are pants. Dapol really do need to drop the tender drive system and figure out how to do electrical pick ups better.
Best
Bob
Quote from: Bob G on May 22, 2021, 01:39:16 PMSame with my small tender Grange. The Hall tender is fine but the Manor tender versions are pants. Dapol really do need to drop the tender drive system and figure out how to do electrical pick ups better.
Dapol have
never used a "tender drive system" - Farish do & Union Mills do (and you never hear of complaints about the haulage capacity of a UM loco!) In theory the tender mounted motor/
loco driven system Dapol employ should offer the best of both giving best available space for weight over the driven loco wheels... As per the comment a couple of pages back, a pair of traction tyres would probably help make the best of the arrangement.
Quote from: Bealman on May 22, 2021, 10:20:48 AM
I really think we tend to forget what we used to NOT have. Look at @maridunian (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2947) 's Class 20 post, for example.
My 9Fs are Minitrix models, which are a compromise of a British body shoehorned onto a German chassis.
Any model is welcome.
Bring it on!
the way i look at it--is not to compare the minitrix with the dapol. The dapol is a lovely model--even if it is a bit of a delicate flower. The minitrix is part of our n gauge history: fantastic must have in its day--and will always have a place on my layout--but not at the same time as the dapol. I usually run my dapol in reverse--it runs well and smoothly that way: or--with a suitable pilot loco if forwards
Quote from: PLD on May 22, 2021, 05:03:44 PM
Quote from: Bob G on May 22, 2021, 01:39:16 PMSame with my small tender Grange. The Hall tender is fine but the Manor tender versions are pants. Dapol really do need to drop the tender drive system and figure out how to do electrical pick ups better.
Dapol have never used a "tender drive system" - Farish do & Union Mills do (and you never hear of complaints about the haulage capacity of a UM loco!) In theory the tender mounted motor/loco driven system Dapol employ should offer the best of both giving best available space for weight over the driven loco wheels... As per the comment a couple of pages back, a pair of traction tyres would probably help make the best of the arrangement.
i may well go the bullfrog snot way with my dapol: but using copydex. ive used it successfully on a dapol 28xx that shed its tyres--a farish 4P 4-4-0 that transformed the pulling--and a minitrx 2-6-0.
Quote from: PLD on May 22, 2021, 05:03:44 PM
Quote from: Bob G on May 22, 2021, 01:39:16 PMSame with my small tender Grange. The Hall tender is fine but the Manor tender versions are pants. Dapol really do need to drop the tender drive system and figure out how to do electrical pick ups better.
Dapol have never used a "tender drive system" - Farish do & Union Mills do (and you never hear of complaints about the haulage capacity of a UM loco!) In theory the tender mounted motor/loco driven system Dapol employ should offer the best of both giving best available space for weight over the driven loco wheels... As per the comment a couple of pages back, a pair of traction tyres would probably help make the best of the arrangement.
You know what I mean. You just wanted to be pedantic and correct me.
How about "Loco drive through a tender mounted motor with a cardan shaft"? Its a little bit more of a mouthful but absolutely correct.
Bob
Quote from: PLD on May 22, 2021, 07:48:05 AM
Quote from: Hailstone on May 22, 2021, 06:25:41 AMI think that Dapol should have retooled this one as well as the M7, an opportunity missed as far as I am concerned.
Two thoughts:
1. if they have money to invest in tooling, would you rather it goes on something new or re-tooling an existing model?
2. who's to say this run isn't getting the last drops out of the existing tooling before starting on a new version...
My answer to both points is simple, they will eventually tool the Bullied pacific, although they are more focused on O gauge at the moment, as for the reruns they will effectively put back any retooling several years if at all.
Regards,
Alex
@Hailstone (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1193)
Go and stand in the naughty corner and write out 200 times
"It is not Bullied but Bulleid"
:telloff: :P
Quote from: Newportnobby on May 22, 2021, 09:50:47 PM
@Hailstone (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1193)
Go and stand in the naughty corner and write out 200 times
"It is not Bullied but Bulleid"
:telloff: :P
Yes headmaster :D
Regards,
Alex
Now, i have one of these, and it runs (or ran) sweet as a nut. Have managed to score a groove in the centre wheel and put an traction tyres which was tricky and not completely successful but nothing a little bit of glue wouldnt solve and then i had a catastrophic accident in which the loco-tender wires came away from the loco... why on earth arent these detacheable ( on one end at least) like they are on every other Dapol tender loco.... Is this the same on the new run ?
Quote from: class8mikado on February 13, 2024, 10:31:53 AMNow, i have one of these, and it runs (or ran) sweet as a nut. Have managed to score a groove in the centre wheel and put an traction tyres which was tricky and not completely successful but nothing a little bit of glue wouldnt solve and then i had a catastrophic accident in which the loco-tender wires came away from the loco... why on earth arent these detacheable ( on one end at least) like they are on every other Dapol tender loco.... Is this the same on the new run ?
same happened to my 1st gen version--wires came off under the cab sides. I soldered them back on.
Yes that needs to happen but have opted to ask dcc to repair as i my soldering experience is non existent, going forward wondering if a 9f tender body will clip onto a britannia tender chassis
as i think i could manage joining a few of those eyeletted conector wires...
Quote from: class8mikado on February 13, 2024, 02:11:14 PMYes that needs to happen but have opted to ask dcc to repair as i my soldering experience is non existent, going forward wondering if a 9f tender body will clip onto a britannia tender chassis
as i think i could manage joining a few of those eyeletted conector wires...
in my experience those eyeletted wires are the problem--very easy to break when attempting to fit them--if you can even see the tiny screws involved.