Hi all
I have a number of plank wagons with loads that I would like to cover with something that would resemble a tarpaulin.
Anyone got any recommendations for something that would look appropriate in N-Gauge.
Thanks
NGM
How about these...
https://www.petersspares.com/smiths-smiths-tarpaulins-oo-n-smiths-tarpaulins-n-gauge.irc (https://www.petersspares.com/smiths-smiths-tarpaulins-oo-n-smiths-tarpaulins-n-gauge.irc)
I've seen a few varieties of home made ones. The latest I saw was with cigarette papers, but I've also had success with using masking tape and tissue paper.
I've heard folks who have used toilet tissue but know no more than that.
Oooo, interesting, I'll be watching this with interest as I've wanted to try and recreate some curtain sided containers.
These curtain sides tend to have lots of folds and ripples in from the wind but the principle would be similar to a wagon tarp.
So with the toilet/tissue paper do you soak it PVA and then form the wavy patterns and folds?
I'm pretty sure rizla cigarette papers folded and creased offer a good cheap solution - i m sure ensign Elliott on his layout used this method
Quote from: crewearpley40 on February 12, 2021, 09:22:37 AM
I'm pretty sure rizla cigarette papers folded and creased offer a good cheap solution - i m sure ensign Elliott on his layout used this method
Well remembered, Chris.
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=28005.msg679879#msg679879 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=28005.msg679879#msg679879)
Quote from: Newportnobby on February 12, 2021, 09:41:46 AM
Quote from: crewearpley40 on February 12, 2021, 09:22:37 AM
I'm pretty sure rizla cigarette papers folded and creased offer a good cheap solution - i m sure ensign Elliott on his layout used this method
Well remembered, Chris.
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=28005.msg679879#msg679879 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=28005.msg679879#msg679879)
I knew I had asked Elliott before how he constructed rizla tarpaulin covers and he models the cornish China Clay's. Thanks Mick for the link
Interesting idea on 'that other place' using Tunnocks Caramel wafer wrappers https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/158921-tarpaulins-a-taste-sensation/&tab=comments#comment-4153019 (https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/158921-tarpaulins-a-taste-sensation/&tab=comments#comment-4153019)
Seems to work well in Orribly Oversize so no reason why it shouldn't work in N Gauge.
Plus you get to eat lots of delicious sweeties, win, win I think ;) ;)
Cheers
Neal.
Quote from: N_GaugeModeller on February 11, 2021, 10:54:25 PM
Hi all
I have a number of plank wagons with loads that I would like to cover with something that would resemble a tarpaulin.
Anyone got any recommendations for something that would look appropriate in N-Gauge.
Thanks
NGM
I think you will find this video very useful on a method that seems to work very well.
There is an excellent article by Rob Elliot in the current NGS journal (1/21) on making tarpaulins for open wagons. Whilst the use is for china clay wagons the method would be OK for any open wagon. Good spot Chris @crewearpley40 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3894)
That was the article by Ensign Elliott both Mick and Norman have kindly pointed out that slipped my mind !
Thin aluminium foil from a choccy bar or similar can be used, or even kitchen foil if you need a bit more rigidity.
Makes the 'crumpled' look easy. I paint with acrylics.
The hatch covers here, though bigger, are made this way.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/106/447-120221131822.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=106267)
Martyn
I remember reading on this forum or some other perhaps of a person that made their tarpaulins from the wrapper from a pack of Tesco Brie. This was when their own brand brie was in silver wrap.
Nowadays it is in a cream coloured Creamfilelds wrap.
Tissue soaked in PVA also works.
GE
Thanks for all the replies
Will give a few of the suggestions a go over the weekend
Currently chomping my way through a pack of Tunnocks at the moment and will also try the Rizlers as well
Will post back with some results.
NGM
Quote from: N_GaugeModeller on February 12, 2021, 09:38:00 PM
Thanks for all the replies
Will give a few of the suggestions a go over the weekend
Currently chomping my way through a pack of Tunnocks at the moment and will also try the Rizlers as well
Will post back with some results.
NGM
The Rizlers aren't as tasty I find.
Will have to get some Old Holborn to add some flavour 8)
NGM
Liquorice Rizlas?
Do they even still exist?
:)
Martyn
Had a go with the Tunnock paper this morning
Quite please with the result so far.
NGM
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/106/7874-130221150110.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=106337)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/106/7874-130221150147.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=106338)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/106/7874-130221150354.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=106339)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/106/7874-130221150443.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=106340)
Quote from: PLD on February 11, 2021, 11:23:29 PM
How about these...
https://www.petersspares.com/smiths-smiths-tarpaulins-oo-n-smiths-tarpaulins-n-gauge.irc (https://www.petersspares.com/smiths-smiths-tarpaulins-oo-n-smiths-tarpaulins-n-gauge.irc)
Here are a couple of examples using the Smiths Tarps.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/106/647-130221210059.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=106354)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/106/647-130221210133.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=106355)
What is very often missing on models is the ropes to hold the tarp down, thin black thread was used on these.
Tunnock paper - nice results NGM!
Not sure I can get that brand of confectionary over here - how would you describe it - is a foil or paper product?
Looks great - thinking of doing a few wagons in a rake but also maybe a plate or tube wagon in the diesel depot.
@andy911john (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=8320)
Tunnocks Caramel Wafers are wrapped in a foil/paper laminate
(I know - I used to sell it to them :))
I tried way back using various thin papers, tissues, etc, but they never looked right to me as the texture was too harsh. I made quite a few out of a plastic shopping bag, first ones painted, but then found a black refuse sack did the job better and sprayed with matt black/weathered black with a full matt varnish top coat looked best my eyes.
Instructions on how to sheet wagons and fasten them, but no diagrams, can be found here;
http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/BRBDocuments/Booklet_BR20424_Issue.pdf (http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/BRBDocuments/Booklet_BR20424_Issue.pdf)
It's toward the end of the instructions, #145 onwards.
Note that sheets must be so secured so that they can't 'droop' and form puddles in the hollow; if the load is lower than the wagon sides, the sheet is to be secured within the wagon, rather like the Farish 'sheeted loads'.
Martyn
Quote from: martyn on February 15, 2021, 12:00:57 PM
Note that sheets must be so secured so that they can't 'droop' and form puddles in the hollow.
Except of course when they are not! :D
Edit: Added:- Read 128 Page 30.
Also not unknown in the late 30's and beyond to see leaky vans with tarped over roof.
I was also reading #150; it seems that a 'low' load was to be sheeted twice, once inside the wagon which is tucked within the wagon; and then a second sheet over the top, which-if a 'sheet supporter' was not available-went over the wagon edges.
Or at least that's how it reads to me....... ???
The sheet over a leaky van roof seems to be quite often modelled-I've done one.
Martyn
I guess the normal takes place, what starts as a rule deteriorates into an aspiration rarely met! ;D
I have a rake of 5 plank wagons running on Croft Spa (and formerly on Hawthorn Dene) which my son (aka Mr Simon) fitted with Smiths tarpaulins some time ago. This is a Southbound limetrain.
Recently our club layout "Rise Park" has had to be sold on due to our being given 2 months notice in lockdown to quit the clubroom so a housing developer could demolish it. This made redundant the late Trevor Webster's set of fifty Peco 5-plank wagons which ran as two trains of 25, full and empty ironstone.
As Trevor never numbered or lettered them I've been doing some off and on and am making a rake of twelve or so of the empties to run as the return train to my sheeted opens running South. Each of them would therefore be running with its tarpaulin folded inside on the floor. Two are shown below, posed on the wrong layout.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/106/1473-160221231834.jpeg)
Smith's tarpaulins, folded and stuck down, but as they are vastly overscale thickness each has been cut in half- almost enough in one pack to do all 25 empties.
Les