Hi
There is a 4-4-0 kit on EBay with a Farish chassis (incorrectly identified by seller as Lima) which I just dont recognise the type or even the kit maker.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-GAUGE-KIT-LOCOMOTIVE-SPARES-REPAIRS/193872714427?hash=item2d23b6dabb:g:3G8AAOSwEoRgFrW4 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-GAUGE-KIT-LOCOMOTIVE-SPARES-REPAIRS/193872714427?hash=item2d23b6dabb:g:3G8AAOSwEoRgFrW4)
Is it an LNER/GER loco?
Bob
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/105/1517-060221104931.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=105921)
It's a BH Enterprises Claude Hamilton.
BH Enterprises LNER D16 kit.
Reasonable, but very much eclipsed by the Union Mills RTR model.
Cheers,
Alan
Also looks to have a broken footplate casting ahead of the front splasher - fixable, with care and low melt solder.
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Bob G on February 06, 2021, 10:50:17 AM
Hi
There is a 4-4-0 kit on EBay with a Farish chassis (incorrectly identified by seller as Lima) which I just dont recognise the type or even the kit maker.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-GAUGE-KIT-LOCOMOTIVE-SPARES-REPAIRS/193872714427?hash=item2d23b6dabb:g:3G8AAOSwEoRgFrW4 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-GAUGE-KIT-LOCOMOTIVE-SPARES-REPAIRS/193872714427?hash=item2d23b6dabb:g:3G8AAOSwEoRgFrW4)
Is it an LNER/GER loco?
Bob
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/105/1517-060221104931.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=105921)
Hi Bob
It is a D16 pre-rebuild with round topped boiler, I don't know the kit's origin but it is part of the BH Enterprises portfolio these days.
I have built the round-top boiler D16/3 kit from the same source but that is somewhat superseded by the UM D16/3 these days.
The big prob with the kit is that it leaves only the the loco with only four driving wheels picking up using the tender supplied with no mods.
Roy
Thanks chaps
Interesting kit, but wrong side of London for me, and as you say, the UM version would be much better :)
Best
Bob
I think this kit, and the B12, was mastered originally by Phil Kerr to fit available chassis, in this case, the Farish Midland 4-4-0. IIRC, the B12 fitted a 'Hall' chassis. Available as round top or (this case) Belpaire boiler.
Don't know if it was ever marketed by anybody before BHE.
I added a thin wire pickup in the tender to bear lightly on the rear tender wheels which did improve running reliability considerably, but it is now in the back of the shed replaced by a UM one. It is also fitted dcc. Mine is now well over twenty years old.
Martyn
I had one of these kits quite a while back and mine was a GEM
Bob
Quote from: Shiney Sheff on February 06, 2021, 07:51:58 PM
I had one of these kits quite a while back and mine was a GEM
I seem to recall the GEM kit was for a GCR D11 Director class.
Quote from: thebrighton on February 06, 2021, 08:12:47 PM
Quote from: Shiney Sheff on February 06, 2021, 07:51:58 PM
I had one of these kits quite a while back and mine was a GEM
I seem to recall the GEM kit was for a GCR D11 Director class.
My bad, yes it was the D11 Director :doh:
Having won this auction, Im grateful for the information provided by those here, will help me in the attempts to bring it up to scratch! Sounds like getting pickup from the tender is fairly important...
Congrats!
Be aware, though, I think there is a funny anomaly in the tender construction. IIRC, the axles do not fit in the axleboxes (!) but in a set of holes cast into the sideframes.
I made a pick-up from paxolin and thin wire, the wire pressing lightly onto the rear wheels to give maximum length of pick-up over the entire loco chassis, otherwise it only picks up on the four coupled wheels.
If you intend to number this prototypically, refer to photos or text books-the 'Clauds' were a nightmare regarding which boiler and whether a decorated valance was fitted over the coupled wheels, or, in this case, removed.
Best of luck!
Martyn
I'll be interested to see how you get on with this. I have a similar kit in the bottom of my 'kits to build' box. I also have a Farish 4-4-0 chassis to go with it, but it has no motor so I was thinking of marrying it up to a UM tender chassis. Could be made into a nice model, I think.
Cheers,
Chris
...and you must not spend more than £40 on its revamp or you could have bought a brand new Union Mills loco fully decorated and with a decent tender drive too.
Bob
I have a BH Enterprises B12 Im currently working on that Ive successfully got tender pickup on, so hoping I can do something similar here as the tender looks the same.
This one will be about 3rd or 4th in my queue so will be worked on in a couple of months I imagine!
Quote from: Papyrus on February 09, 2021, 02:26:06 PM
I'll be interested to see how you get on with this. I have a similar kit in the bottom of my 'kits to build' box. I also have a Farish 4-4-0 chassis to go with it, but it has no motor so I was thinking of marrying it up to a UM tender chassis. Could be made into a nice model, I think.
Cheers,
Chris
I think if going from scratch this would certainly be a good way to go.
Quote from: Bob G on February 09, 2021, 02:27:02 PM
...and you must not spend more than £40 on its revamp or you could have bought a brand new Union Mills loco fully decorated and with a decent tender drive too.
Bob
If you look at my Workbench thread, I never do anything by half so cant promise!! :D
The tender in the BHE B12 and Claud is the same one.
It is quite possible to use a UM tender drive instead. But as been said, watch your overall costs or you might as well just get a UM RTR loco instead!
The UM tender drive, as I've posted before, is over scale for both Clauds and B12, but the BHE kits are also over scale, I think, to fit the RTR chassis available at the time.
The BHE tender is closer to scale than the UM one.
Martyn
Quote from: Bob G on February 09, 2021, 02:27:02 PM
...and you must not spend more than £40 on its revamp or you could have bought a brand new Union Mills loco fully decorated and with a decent tender drive too.
Yes, but where's the fun in that? :)
Quote from: Jim Easterbrook on February 09, 2021, 06:38:56 PM
Quote from: Bob G on February 09, 2021, 02:27:02 PM
...and you must not spend more than £40 on its revamp or you could have bought a brand new Union Mills loco fully decorated and with a decent tender drive too.
Point of order, m'lud. That is not strictly true.
I've just checked and the Union Mills model is the D16/3 with the round-top firebox. The model that @Dalteth (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3070) has bought is the D15 with the Belpaire firebox, so he can spend as much as he likes - he will still end up with a different prototype! :D
You're welcome!
Cheers,
Chris
@Papyrus (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2975)
Its not as easy as that, Chris.........
Another point of order; the BHE model is, technically, I think, a hybrid.
At least some D15/2 had the valancing removed, but not in the style depicted in the kit; it was still the original valance with bits removed, and not straight between the coupled wheels.
D16 and D16/2 also had large diameter Belpaire boilers (the 'Super Clauds') but retained the decorative valancing. D15 had smaller diameter Belpaire boilers. D16 also had differences in smokebox lengths.
D16/3 were round topped, but depending upon which sub-class they were rebuilt form, they may or not retain the valancing.
I haven't yet found a photo of a Belpaire boiler with no valances, as per the kit.
The history of the 'Clauds' (no 'E' in Claud Hamilton) is very complicated, and I think I've got it right.
Martyn
Quote from: martyn on February 10, 2021, 09:17:53 AM
The history of the 'Clauds' (no 'E' in Claud Hamilton) is very complicated
Martyn
You ain't kidding, @martyn (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=447) ! Even the lner.info website is confusing.
Hugh Longworth's 'British Railway Steam Locomotives 1948-1968' provides about the best summary. According to him, 62507 was the only D15 which had the valancing over the coupling rods removed. I found this picture of it:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/106/2975-110221103131.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=106225)
which shows that the shape of the remaining valancing is different from the kit. It may be possible to do a bit of judicious alteration if one feels so inclined.
Cheers,
Chris
@Papyrus (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2975) ;
Yes, they are confusing.........nearly as bad as the J67/J69s......... :goggleeyes:
Your photo illustrates what I meant when the framing removed was not the same as the D16/3s. Its also not what is modelled in the kit. The RCTS history also says that 8885 was also altered in 1931, but this loco was again rebuilt to D16/3 in 1937. Loco 8896/62507 retained the altered valancing until withdrawn in 1952.
And don't forget the D16/3s had at least two variants, without the valancing missing and new footplate or not; some were rebuilt with piston valves which meant a new style reversing lever.
My information is edited and re-written from the RCTS History of LNER locos, vol. 3C.
Martyn
... and don't even start on the tenders!
Cheers,
Chris
I purposely avoided the tenders..........and the D14s.......
Martyn
Now I'm worried!! :laughabovepost:
Going to have to be very specific about choosing a loco to model it after fairly early on...
@Dalteth (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3070)
Have fun!
I cannot be 100% sure, but I still think the kit is a hybrid, with footplate as per many D16/3 but Belpaire firebox and long smokebox of the Super Clauds, D16/2.
I still haven't found a photo of Belpaire firebox loco with the raised running plate.
I don't know, but suspect the two versions of the kit have a common footplate but are available with two firebox options.
As an aside, though called 'Gresley Rebuilds', the D16/3 rebuild was actually designed by Thompson and his Stratford Office staff.
martyn
I've just been to my bitsa box and found an almost complete 'Claud' kit, and half of another.........intended to become a J17 or something, I think.
@Dalteth (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3070) @Papyrus (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2975)
A cut away (!) view of the tender pick-up;
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/106/447-110221141901.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=106227)
Hope this is clear enough. A second thin wire was added the other side of the paxolin to make the pick-up for the other rear wheel.
Note that it also shows the two sets of holes for the axles; I'm pretty sure =you need to use the top ones, but in any case, not the set that corresponds to the actual axleboxes.
martyn
There is another one on EBay in case you want a bigger fleet
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Boxed-B-H-Enterprises-class-D16-3-rebuilt-Claude-Hamilton-tank-loco-body-kit/193882564501?hash=item2d244d2795:g:R9gAAOSwDQVgH8~x (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Boxed-B-H-Enterprises-class-D16-3-rebuilt-Claude-Hamilton-tank-loco-body-kit/193882564501?hash=item2d244d2795:g:R9gAAOSwDQVgH8~x)
Bob
The seller has a number of other Langley kits for sale, but not greatly reduced from Langley's own prices.
Cheers,
Chris
Quote from: Papyrus on February 11, 2021, 03:12:47 PM
The seller has a number of other Langley kits for sale, but not greatly reduced from Langley's own prices.
Cheers,
Chris
Its a BHE Kit, and Ray is currently indisposed and has all our best wishes to get well again soon.
Bob
@east anglian (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1114) /Derek has sent me a photo of his Claud for posting, as he is still finding it difficult to post himself.
Here at is......
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/106/447-110221165211.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=106234)
Martyn
Quote from: Bob G on February 11, 2021, 04:05:00 PM
Quote from: Papyrus on February 11, 2021, 03:12:47 PM
The seller has a number of other Langley kits for sale, but not greatly reduced from Langley's own prices.
Cheers,
Chris
Its a BHE Kit, and Ray is currently indisposed and has all our best wishes to get well again soon.
Bob
You're right, Bob. Senior moment, I'm afraid... :-[
Cheers,
Chris
No problem.
I just want Ray better, as do we all.
Thank you all, useful input all round!
Quote from: martyn on February 11, 2021, 04:52:46 PM
Derek/@East Anglian has sent me a photo of his Claud for posting, as he is still finding it difficult to post himself.
Here at is......
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/106/447-110221165211.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=106234)
Martyn
I am envious of @east anglian (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1114) 's collection, he seems to own / have built all my favourite locos :)
@east anglian (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1114) /Derek has sent me two more photos of his 'Claud' for publication;
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/106/447-120221140517.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=106273)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/106/447-120221140549.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=106275)
He apologises for the quality of the photos, but they look OK to me.
martyn
Beautifully put together and a much better job than I could do, but I couldn't live with those tiny front wheels (just personal opinion) :)
A(nother) great job from East Anglian on what is (from personal experience) a tricky kit to put together!
Quote from: ntpntpntp on February 12, 2021, 03:06:04 PM
Beautifully put together and a much better job than I could do, but I couldn't live with those tiny front wheels (just personal opinion) :)
It's the old pizza cutter rims that don't help the look unfortunately.
I'll accept them though in this case on the basis of the actual modelling work being to such a great standard :)
Quote from: Dalteth on February 12, 2021, 04:10:43 PM
A(nother) great job from East Anglian on what is (from personal experience) a tricky kit to put together!
Quote from: ntpntpntp on February 12, 2021, 03:06:04 PM
Beautifully put together and a much better job than I could do, but I couldn't live with those tiny front wheels (just personal opinion) :)
It's the old pizza cutter rims that don't help the look unfortunately.
I'll accept them though in this case on the basis of the actual modelling work being to such a great standard :)
Also, since I'm currently using the same chassis for a kit, I don't want to force myself to have to change them!! :smiley-laughing: