I see on their YouTube channel Bachmann are announcing their Spring 2021 Models tomorrow at 9.30 am
I wonder if there will be anything juicy for us N-Gaugers
NGM
Not frothing: I'm hoping for some samples or news on one of either the sound-ready N class, 14s, or the new run of 4Fs. The kettles at least were due in November as late as July, so should be close to their production slots.
Slight foaming: Announcement of some loco-drive versions of older tender-drive locos, or another run of Peaks.
Frothing: Come on EFE Garratt and/or ex-DJM Austerities!
EDIT: Ah I see this is actually the 20121 releases not 2021, so whatever they announce will be competing with the Dapol West Country.
In theory the videos go live at 9:30 on Youtube but is only accessible if you have the link which is sent to all collectors club members. The videos should go live to the public around 12:30 ish(?) with the press and pre-orders embargoed until around then.
Last year they made a mess of it and made the videos public early.
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Based on the Farish Website the following items have Delivery estimates:
Feb/Mar
WD 40T 'Parrot' Bogie Wagon
BR 16T Steel Mineral Wagon
BR 27T Steel Tippler Wagon
SR 25T 'Queen Mary' Brake Van
Mar/Apr
SE&CR N Class Steam Engine
Class 66
Class 40
Class 108 DMU
16T Steel Slope-Sided Mineral Wagon
5 Plank China Clay Wagon
May/Jun
Mk1 RU Coach
Aug/Sep
LMS 20T Brake Van
Sep/Oct
5 Plank Wagons
7 Plank Wagons
8 Plank Wagons
Oct/Nov
Class 150 DMU
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Even before announcements of new stuff there is quite a bit due soon.
If I was a betting man, given there are only 2 class 66 proposed, I would put my money on at least 1 new class 66 livery being announced.
Farish have historically not been as reactive as Dapol on the 66s. I think it's ripe for a redesign to next 18 and sound fitted, given their ubiquity.
I'd still love a 90.
Perhaps they should pip Dapol to the post and bring out their Class 43 HST in the new Midland Pullman Colours, would obviously need a redesign of the chassis to bring it up to date and make it DCC ready.
I bet it would be a good seller for them
NGM
The blue disc headcode 40 and the "dutch" barbel would be nice this quarter. Fingers crossed.
Quote from: SD35 on February 02, 2021, 10:17:08 PM
The blue disc headcode 40 and the "dutch" barbel would be nice this quarter. Fingers crossed.
seconded. The mk 1 RU coach will be a good addition.
Quote from: N_GaugeModeller on February 02, 2021, 10:16:14 PM
Perhaps they should pip Dapol to the post and bring out their Class 43 HST in the new Midland Pullman Colours, would obviously need a redesign of the chassis to bring it up to date and make it DCC ready.
I bet it would be a good seller for them
The newest release had solder points for a decoder. No lights or anything though, and printed detail on the coaches. I think it'd be a tough sell given Farish's pricing - I can't see they'd undercut Dapol for a far older product.
I've had an email from Bachmann, along with a YouTube link for new product announcements.
I'm allowed to share the link at 12pm on Wednesday, and will put it into this very post.
YouTube Link - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKPX7Tn5-HI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKPX7Tn5-HI)
Exciting!
Tank.
Wow! I'm impressed that they think that highly of the forum that they will diseminate info to us directly. Cool!
Yep, after ten years, Tank is a bit of a celebrity, like it or not! ;D :thumbsup:
A few novelties have already been made public, all related to Thomas & Friends:
- ref. 58793, James the red engine, 2-6-0 steam locomotive
- ref. 58794, Toby the tramway
- ref. 77092, Ruffey open wagon
- ref. 77093, oil tank
- ref. 77094, fuel tank
- ref. 77095, water tank
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Quote from: railsquid on February 03, 2021, 07:36:12 AM
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Quote from: railsquid on February 03, 2021, 07:36:12 AM
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I wouldn't want to be the one using the bath water after you :goggleeyes:
:It was on youtube from 9.30 this morning
Quote from: N_GaugeModeller on February 03, 2021, 09:37:24 AM
:It was on youtube from 9.30 this morning
It's just finished :thumbsup:
I won't spoil it for anyone who thinks they have to watch it at their allotted time, but I'm hoping the new OO tooling loco gets cascaded to N at some point 8)
Now listed on RMWeb:
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/161945-graham-farish-spring-2021-new-announcements/ (https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/161945-graham-farish-spring-2021-new-announcements/)
Quote from: tutenkhamunsleeping on February 03, 2021, 08:06:39 AM
Quote from: railsquid on February 03, 2021, 07:36:12 AM
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I wouldn't want to be the one using the bath water after you :goggleeyes:
Rice does tend to have that effect
a bit disappointed especially as there are at present only 5 Farish steam engines available at Bachmann
Quote from: Steven B on February 03, 2021, 10:35:10 AM
Now listed on RMWeb:
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/161945-graham-farish-spring-2021-new-announcements/ (https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/161945-graham-farish-spring-2021-new-announcements/)
Well now that's very underwhelming :( :( :(
Definitely nothing in there for me, so it's a big :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: from me.
Disappointingly yours
Neal.
Well I have taken a look at the N and OO offerings, and I'm just so glad the new and newish entrants and cottage industries are bringing new things to our table.
Keep it up Accurascale, EFE Rail/Kernow, Kato, Osborns, Revolution, Sonic, Union Mills...
Bob
As far as N gauge is concerned ,there are members on this very forum who are far more productive than Bachman,3D printing is the way forward,cheaper too.
371-399 Class 66/7 66783 'The Flying Dustman' GBRf Biffa Red £149.95
373-352 WD 50T 'Parrot' Bogie Bolster B BR Grey (Early) £39.95
374-121B BR Mk1 RU Restaurant Unclassified BR Maroon £42.95
377-450C 16T Steel Slope-Sided Mineral Wagon Riveted Side Door BR Grey (Early) £18.95
42-277 Low Relief Factory £29.95
42-279 Low Relief Balti Towers £29.95
42-544 Pent Roof Garden Shed £11.95
Just 3 months to wait for the next quarterly announcement!
Steven B.
Underwhelmed.
Quote from: Bob G on February 03, 2021, 11:21:03 AM
Keep it up Accurascale, EFE Rail/Kernow, Kato, Osborns, Revolution, Sonic, Union Mills...
Thanks Bob! Just a small point for clarity - Accurascale are not offering N gauge products. They are our products (and tooling) building on the great work that Accurascale have done in 4mm but adapted by us for N gauge.
Cheers Mike
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKPX7Tn5-HI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKPX7Tn5-HI)
Official link to announcements.
I already have 3 x maroon RUs, 2 x choc/cream RUs and 1 x blue/grey RU.
Everything else just leaves me :cold: :unimpressed:
Looks like at least another year before I see the plain green Warship ::)
An opportunity missed here methinks.
I know farish Bachmann had a Captain Tom 66 offer last year (which I missed out on), but now would be a really good time for them to think about a general release for it, with a split of the charity cut between NHS charities and the Captain Tom Foundation.
Quote from: red_death on February 03, 2021, 11:46:47 AM
Quote from: Bob G on February 03, 2021, 11:21:03 AM
Keep it up Accurascale, EFE Rail/Kernow, Kato, Osborns, Revolution, Sonic, Union Mills...
Thanks Bob! Just a small point for clarity - Accurascale are not offering N gauge products. They are our products (and tooling) building on the great work that Accurascale have done in 4mm but adapted by us for N gauge.
Cheers Mike
Hi Mike
Sorry. Not trying to misquote.
Who did the Castle Cement wagons?
Bob
Quote from: Bob G on February 03, 2021, 12:22:41 PM
Sorry. Not trying to misquote.
Who did the Castle Cement wagons?
Bob
Hi Bob,
They were produced by Accurascale but are in a Realtrack box. Like the Revolution Cemflos and forthcoming PFAs they were a commission.
cheers
Ben A.
The current state of play is that Revolution are more productive than Bachmann on new N gauge items. Clearly Kadar don't see much return on investment for new tooling British N gauge. That's a shame. There are some models that would sell well I think but if the return isn't there they aren't going to do it. Can't blame em but it's still disappointing. What worries me is that with so little new stuff coming out in N it will reduce interest in N which will in turn lead to even less new N.
I'm not going to criticise them for this particular release profile with circumstances as they are but I did have a brief chortle at the "still leading the way" quote.
I don't consider Dapol, Revolution, etc, to be the supporting acts. They are the main events in their own right.
I'm very relieved.
Having spent the past year building up the courage to construct my fleet of EPB stock (415,416's 419) I was having nightmares that Farish was going to announce N gauge versions of the Bachmann versions.
Hmmmm. Electra have vinyl sides for a 4 VEP...........................
Is Colin Albright still with Bachmann ?
He is/was their 'Mr N Gauge'.
If he has left that might explain why they are less interested in our scale.
Quote from: Ben A on February 03, 2021, 12:26:31 PM
Quote from: Bob G on February 03, 2021, 12:22:41 PM
Sorry. Not trying to misquote.
Who did the Castle Cement wagons?
Bob
Hi Bob,
They were produced by Accurascale but are in a Realtrack box. Like the Revolution Cemflos and forthcoming PFAs they were a commission.
cheers
Ben A.
Thanks Ben
So I'm not totally incorrect 😉
Just trying to keep up with events.
And as I didn't buy the castle wagons ( but have invested in the cemflos), I'm allowed to be wrong on occasion.
Where is the ship with the cemflos now? Should be due in dock soon??
Best
Bob
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Reposted the list I posted https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=52990.msg695031#msg695031|here (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=52990.msg695031#msg695031%7Chere) yesterday. (Updated to add buildings)
Based on the Farish Website the following items have Delivery estimates:
Feb/Mar
WD 40T 'Parrot' Bogie Wagon
BR 16T Steel Mineral Wagon
BR 27T Steel Tippler Wagon
SR 25T 'Queen Mary' Brake Van
Pent Roof Garden Shed
Low Relief Factory
Low Relief Balti Towers
Mar/Apr
SE&CR N Class Steam Engine
Class 66
Class 40
Class 108 DMU
16T Steel Slope-Sided Mineral Wagon
5 Plank China Clay Wagon
May/Jun
Mk1 RU Coach
Aug/Sep
LMS 20T Brake Van
Sep/Oct
5 Plank Wagons
7 Plank Wagons
8 Plank Wagons
Oct/Nov
Class 150 DMU
Will check/update later as I may have missed a building.
Everything else previously announced is still listed as "Awaiting".
We are running out of items announced with dates before the switch to the new announcement format so the anticipation will only build before the next announcements.
Given the number of items due soon I was not too surprised there were only additional liveries.
Speaking personally I wonder if it has swung to the opposite extreme of being too short term when there must be safe carrots they can give us about next time to keep people hanging on.
Maybe that is the role of the updates to the collectors club?
Quote from: joe cassidy on February 03, 2021, 12:49:06 PM
Is Colin Albright still with Bachmann ?
He is/was their 'Mr N Gauge'.
If he has left that might explain why they are less interested in our scale.
No he isn't.
He helped Revolution with their sturgeon and the NGS with the Hunslet IIRC
Quote from: joe cassidy on February 03, 2021, 12:49:06 PM
Is Colin Albright still with Bachmann ?
Hi there,
Colin retired from Bachmann 4-5 years ago. He is very well respected in the industry and now works as a freelance consultant for a variety of companies (including Sonic Models and Revolution) and is also heavily involved with the development of the NGS Hunslet industrial shunter.
As to the announcement, I have seen a good point made elsewhere that the '3 monthly' announcement format does not necessarily suit N gauge, where developments tend to be fewer (certainly by Bachmann) than their 00 counterparts. Also, Farish invested hugely in N in the years 2000-2018 with dozens of new locos, complete new ranges of coaches and so on, and they still have by far the largest British N gauge range.
Re Cemflos @Bob G (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1517) - they're en route and we will update once they're here.
cheers
Ben A.
No money from Farish from my wallet for a long time it seems but, hey, I've enough to be going on with from RevolutioN/Sonic/Accurascale, Kato, Rapido, Dapol/Gaugemaster and EFE who, I really hope, might pick up the CAD of the class 23 and proceed with it (a little ray of optimism there :))
To say nothing of getting lots of weathering done by mk1gtstu :D
Quote from: Foxhound on February 03, 2021, 12:07:54 PM
I know farish Bachmann had a Captain Tom 66 offer last year (which I missed out on), but now would be a really good time for them to think about a general release for it, with a split of the charity cut between NHS charities and the Captain Tom Foundation.
No that was Dapol. I pre-ordered one. They have sadly rather missed the boat, I wonder if it will still go ahead?
I do have the Hornby one though
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QuoteUnderwhelmed
Somewhat of an understatement!
Looks like I'll have to carry on hacking and bashing kits etc to increase my stock of SR 4-6-0s - or anything else SR.
One doesn't have to be mad to model the SR - but it does help!
Quote from: Newportnobby on February 03, 2021, 12:02:42 PM
I already have 3 x maroon RUs, 2 x choc/cream RUs and 1 x blue/grey RU.
Everything else just leaves me :cold: :unimpressed:
Looks like at least another year before I see the plain green Warship ::)
Repaint a Warship green Mick @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) ;) ;D
I have(had?) a Dapol N gauge Sir Tom Moore on pre order too. Last week I began to wonder what had happened to it so I contacted Dapol for a progress update. The answer was that they are awaiting the artwork from the factory for approval sometime in February. I leave readers to draw their own conclusions as to when the finished model will emerge!!!
Norman
Nothing of interest Farish wise for me there.
Cheers, Stu
Quote from: tunneroner61 on February 03, 2021, 01:46:54 PM
I have(had?) a Dapol N gauge Sir Tom Moore on pre order too. Last week I began to wonder what had happened to it so I contacted Dapol for a progress update. The answer was that they are awaiting the artwork from the factory for approval sometime in February. I leave readers to draw their own conclusions as to when the finished model will emerge!!!
Norman
Although off topic that is very disappointing, more disappointing than the Bachmann announcement. It will still be a reminder of an ordinary guy who did something very special though.
Whatever you do DO NOT I repeat DO NOT ;) ;) ;) go onto this Farish RMWeb Thread https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/161945-graham-farish-spring-2021-new-announcements/ (https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/161945-graham-farish-spring-2021-new-announcements/) and say anything negative about Bachmanns Farish releases, otherwise Mr York will not be impressed.
Cheers
Neal.
Quote from: ntpntpntp on February 03, 2021, 01:16:51 PM
Quote from: Foxhound on February 03, 2021, 12:07:54 PM
I know farish Bachmann had a Captain Tom 66 offer last year (which I missed out on), but now would be a really good time for them to think about a general release for it, with a split of the charity cut between NHS charities and the Captain Tom Foundation.
No that was Dapol. I pre-ordered one. They have sadly rather missed the boat, I wonder if it will still go ahead?
I do have the Hornby one though
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My mistake, sorry.
Perhaps time for a class 117 from RevolutioN?
Quote from: jamespetts on February 03, 2021, 02:14:58 PM
Perhaps time for a class 117 from RevolutioN?
A class 118 would be nice. P480 would be a winner.... (Anyone local to Plymouth in the early eighties will know why ;)).
I notice the EFE JIA which is, as mentioned elsewhere on the web, a downscale from the Kernow OO model. Such a shame they missed the PBA, which I would have preferred (and in fact I emailed Ben A with a stab in the dark query about earlier today!).
Quote from: Calnefoxile on February 03, 2021, 02:08:17 PM
Whatever you do DO NOT I repeat DO NOT ;) ;) ;) go onto this Farish RMWeb Thread https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/161945-graham-farish-spring-2021-new-announcements/ (https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/161945-graham-farish-spring-2021-new-announcements/) and say anything negative about Bachmanns Farish releases, otherwise Mr York will not be impressed.
Cheers
Neal.
Who is Mr York?
Quote from: mk1gtstu on February 03, 2021, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on February 03, 2021, 12:02:42 PM
I already have 3 x maroon RUs, 2 x choc/cream RUs and 1 x blue/grey RU.
Everything else just leaves me :cold: :unimpressed:
Looks like at least another year before I see the plain green Warship ::)
Repaint a Warship green Mick @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) ;) ;D
Not possible by me and lots to do besides, Stu. You and I are keeping Royal Mail afloat, methinks :)
Quote from: w greatbatch on February 03, 2021, 11:23:46 AM
As far as N gauge is concerned ,there are members on this very forum who are far more productive than Bachman,3D printing is the way forward,cheaper too.
3D does require you to source a chassis. This may be hard to come by, and even if you don't need to buy a whole loco, expensive. That said I was very impressed by my 3D Class 28. I needed to source a Poole 31 but had a spare 25/3 I could cannibalise for the 4 wheel bogie. Otherwise the new Farish announcements will cost me nothing. Yes I could add to my sloping mineral wagons, but I have far more wagons than I need already! I am musing over the recent retooled 8Fs. Love the look of it but I suspect the haulage ability will be less than my nice heavy Poole era model! And I would be buying purely for fun, and use on club layout when we can get in there again - my own layout does not require it.
Quote from: jamespetts on February 03, 2021, 02:14:58 PM
Perhaps time for a class 117 from RevolutioN?
Noooo! Let Bachmann use a shrinkray on their 117 and Derby Lightweights so RevolutioN can do a different one :D
Quote from: Portpatrick on February 03, 2021, 02:48:59 PM
I am musing over the recent retooled 8Fs. Love the look of it but I suspect the haulage ability will be less than my nice heavy Poole era model!
Dr Al had over 60 coal wagons behind his new one!
wait for the Kader results (announced on 29/3/2021) and expect a loss again. They have already made 2 profits warnings. You can't expect lots of new tooling if the current revenues won't support it. :no:
Quote from: Newportnobby on February 03, 2021, 02:58:16 PM
Quote from: Portpatrick on February 03, 2021, 02:48:59 PM
I am musing over the recent retooled 8Fs. Love the look of it but I suspect the haulage ability will be less than my nice heavy Poole era model!
Dr Al had over 60 coal wagons behind his new one!
Now you are tempting me a bit. The club layout will handle 8/9 coaches plus loco in the longest fiddle yard loops. So that is 25-30 wagons. Curves at the ends from c 10.5 to 16 inches. Looks doable!!
I am glad to see I am not alone and generally I agree with the posts particularly No.30.
What I do not understand is why they ant to produce a 55 in Biffa livery. I have had one for a few months even though it is not my era, which I bought for about half their RRP because Gaugemaster /Dapol don't seem to be able to shift them?
Quote from: osborns on February 03, 2021, 03:01:35 PM
wait for the Kader results (announced on 29/3/2021) and expect a loss again. They have already made 2 profits warnings. You can't expect lots of new tooling if the current revenues won't support it. :no:
I thought that Kader had divested Bachmann Europe?
Quote from: Portpatrick on February 03, 2021, 02:48:59 PM
Quote from: w greatbatch on February 03, 2021, 11:23:46 AM
As far as N gauge is concerned ,there are members on this very forum who are far more productive than Bachman,3D printing is the way forward,cheaper too.
3D does require you to source a chassis. This may be hard to come by, and even if you don't need to buy a whole loco, expensive.
Chassis, possibly underframe details, exterior details like handrails etc., glazing, paint, decals, possibly lighting arrangement, then there's the time and skill needed to make a halfway decent job... Certainly nice to have the option, but it's a long way from coming close to replacing RTR.
Some of their OO stuff I would have been seriously tempted if they were offered in N - the LMS/BR Porthole blue/grey brake 2nd and corridor 2nd.
Unfortunately the Portholes aren't modelled in the Farish range - the Stanier types were mostly built pre-WW2.
I'll consider pre-ordering the N class Mogul 31810 in BR late crest weathered livery which is due in the next few months.
Spring 2021 for us N Gaugers.... err is that it????
Quote from: osborns on February 03, 2021, 03:01:35 PM
wait for the Kader results (announced on 29/3/2021) and expect a loss again. They have already made 2 profits warnings. You can't expect lots of new tooling if the current revenues won't support it. :no:
In fairness, it's not just about new tooling, not everyone is expecting nor asking for that.
it's also about re-runs of existing tooling. A new entrant to N gauge will find it impossible to make an accurate train of MK1 or Mk2 coaches, for instance, because there just isn't any stock on shelves. An RU has been re-run in Maroon, when the catering vehicles are almost always the last of the coaching runs to be left on the shelf, albeit admittedly, with the SLs...
By all means let's give Bachman time to reset and consolidate and work through their backlog of announced products, but in the meantime, while they are doing that, why can't they be rerunning a complete set of BR, or Stanier coaches. Items that just about any modeller from the 1950s through to the 1980s and 90s will require. If they are spending time and research resources on new models, why can't they be issuing Thompsons in Maroon which have already been researched and tooled? Doesn't that bring money in for minimal (in the grand scheme of things) outlay?
If I was starting out in railway modelling today, I wouldn't choose British N Gauge because the stock is just not on the shelves.
Best
Scott.
CL66 in Biffa Red ???????????????
I've already got mine from Dapol, there's plenty of other fancy liveries, or maybe they've got too much red paint?
John P
Quote from: Foxhound on February 03, 2021, 02:27:38 PM
Quote from: jamespetts on February 03, 2021, 02:14:58 PM
Perhaps time for a class 117 from RevolutioN?
A class 118 would be nice. P480 would be a winner.... (Anyone local to Plymouth in the early eighties will know why ;)).
I notice the EFE JIA which is, as mentioned elsewhere on the web, a downscale from the Kernow OO model. Such a shame they missed the PBA, which I would have preferred (and in fact I emailed Ben A with a stab in the dark query about earlier today!).
They could do a 117/118 combo. It is just the curvy headcode box after all.
Bob
Quote from: Calnefoxile on February 03, 2021, 02:08:17 PM
Whatever you do DO NOT I repeat DO NOT ;) ;) ;) go onto this Farish RMWeb Thread https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/161945-graham-farish-spring-2021-new-announcements/ (https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/161945-graham-farish-spring-2021-new-announcements/) and say anything negative about Bachmanns Farish releases, otherwise Mr York will not be impressed.
Cheers
Neal.
Well, that Leicester Thumper is a bit of a troublemaker in my eyes. Maybe needs a thump himself :D
Quote from: honk843 on February 03, 2021, 03:25:06 PM
I am glad to see I am not alone and generally I agree with the posts particularly No.30.
What I do not understand is why they ant to produce a 55 in Biffa livery. I have had one for a few months even though it is not my era, which I bought for about half their RRP because Gaugemaster /Dapol don't seem to be able to shift them?
''A 55 in Biffa livery''--my worst nightmare! Thankfully it must be a typo!
Quote from: Ali Smith on February 03, 2021, 02:41:31 PM
Quote from: Calnefoxile on February 03, 2021, 02:08:17 PM
Whatever you do DO NOT I repeat DO NOT ;) ;) ;) go onto this Farish RMWeb Thread https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/161945-graham-farish-spring-2021-new-announcements/ (https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/161945-graham-farish-spring-2021-new-announcements/) and say anything negative about Bachmanns Farish releases, otherwise Mr York will not be impressed.
Cheers
Neal.
Who is Mr York?
Ali,
Mr York is Andy York the founder of and head Moderator of RMWeb, and he also now works for BRM.
Cheers
Neal.
They could do a 117/118 combo. It is just the curvy headcode box after all.
Bob
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Interestingly if you look at Martin Loader's Honda Wanderer pictures for the 117 you'll find that L400 and L401 and the DMBS of L402 had curvy headcode boxes. http://www.hondawanderer.com/Class_117.htm (http://www.hondawanderer.com/Class_117.htm)
Quote from: Trainfish on February 03, 2021, 04:02:39 PM
Quote from: Calnefoxile on February 03, 2021, 02:08:17 PM
Whatever you do DO NOT I repeat DO NOT ;) ;) ;) go onto this Farish RMWeb Thread https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/161945-graham-farish-spring-2021-new-announcements/ (https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/161945-graham-farish-spring-2021-new-announcements/) and say anything negative about Bachmanns Farish releases, otherwise Mr York will not be impressed.
Cheers
Neal.
Well, that Leicester Thumper is a bit of a troublemaker in my eyes. Maybe needs a thump himself :D
John,
I can definitely confirm that Leicester Thumper is not me :D :D
Cheers
Neal.
I added a whinge on the RMWeb re lack of 1930s SR. Just as a matter of interest how many on this forum model SR or BR(S)? Also how many would consider modelling SR/BR(S) IF there were more RTR stock available, or would any of those modelling BR(S) who would change to pre BR.
Just as well I model continental as well as BR era British outline.
I model BR(S) and BR(W) borders between 1948 - 1978.
I'm moving earlier and earlier recently, e.g. I have more than twice as many BR(S) and BR(W) coaches as I do BR blue grey.
I started doing BR blue when I'd bought everything that I could get in N in that region and era that was in the transition period.
Now BR blue is like the noose around my neck, or Tantalus's eternal punishments.
I don't think I could go pre-WW2 though.
Bob
Quote from: Dorsetmike on February 03, 2021, 05:18:56 PM
I added a whinge on the RMWeb re lack of 1930s SR. Just as a matter of interest how many on this forum model SR or BR(S)? Also how many would consider modelling SR/BR(S) IF there were more RTR stock available, or would any of those modelling BR(S) who would change to pre BR.
If I were starting afresh now, I would certainly model the 1930s SR in N gauge (or GWR, or both, for that matter) if enough rolling stock were available to allow me realistically to model a principal main line in that period.
@jamespetts (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6774) So Salisbury, Weymouth, Exeter, Plymouth, Yeovil or somewhere smaller in the West country? I've chosen my home area east Dorset as that allows some LMS stock via the S&DJR. I'll admit it still requires some kit building and a bit of hacking.
Quote from: Dorsetmike on February 03, 2021, 05:47:09 PM
@jamespetts (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6774) So Salisbury, Weymouth, Exeter, Plymouth, Yeovil or somewhere smaller in the West country? I've chosen my home area east Dorset as that allows some LMS stock via the S&DJR. I'll admit it still requires some kit building and a bit of hacking.
I never got as far as this as I found that N gauge rolling stock was too limited to model any principal main line before the 1950s without building a lot of kits. I decided to build a 00 gauge 1930s layout and a 1980s N gauge layout in the end - the 00 gauge 1930s layout, still in planning, is set on the south coast of England in the Portsmouth/Southampton area, but I have plans to multi-guise it such that it can, with a change of name boards, rolling stock and one or two other things, be set instead in south Wales in the vicinity of Swansea.
I ended up building the 1980s N gauge layout first, which is what I am still working on.
Quote from: jamespetts on February 03, 2021, 05:52:39 PM
Quote from: Dorsetmike on February 03, 2021, 05:47:09 PM
@jamespetts (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6774) So Salisbury, Weymouth, Exeter, Plymouth, Yeovil or somewhere smaller in the West country? I've chosen my home area east Dorset as that allows some LMS stock via the S&DJR. I'll admit it still requires some kit building and a bit of hacking.
I never got as far as this as I found that N gauge rolling stock was too limited to model any principal main line before the 1950s without building a lot of kits. I decided to build a 00 gauge 1930s layout and a 1980s N gauge layout in the end - the 00 gauge 1930s layout, still in planning, is set on the south coast of England in the Portsmouth/Southampton area, but I have plans to multi-guise it such that it can, with a change of name boards, rolling stock and one or two other things, be set instead in south Wales in the vicinity of Swansea.
I ended up building the 1980s N gauge layout first, which is what I am still working on.
I have OO ambitions too. Both layouts are based around Portsmouth-Southampton-Eastleigh area so I can have western and inter-regional interlopers.
The OO one is 1970s as that is the only gauge with a fleet of RTR EMUs and they are all blue-grey. And OMG the space they take up is horrendous.
The N one is a pastiche of bits of Fratton, Eastleigh, Southampton Central and I have space to have an EMU shed, a steam shed, a diesel shed, a set of engineers sidings for ballast trains, but NO OTHER GOODS FACILITIES. In the same space I've hardly room for a Minories style terminus and fiddle yard in OO.
In N I want to see trains running on a DC layout. In OO I might well have a sound enabled DCC system.
Different purpose for each model.
I really dont see the point of sound in N. Or DCC for that matter. Nothing wrong with cab control. Its how signalmen have worked for years. We don't hand over the railway to reckless drivers to go where the heck they like, do we?
Bob
An interesting set of layouts!
My N gauge layout is DCC, which I need for my computer control/automation plans.
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''A 55 in Biffa livery''--my worst nightmare! Thankfully it must be a typo!
Your right a typo indeed.
Just checking to see if anyone reads my posts.
In the meantime we seem to be shifting to eras. What I want to know is what people use to pull all the private owner wagons that are sold in N gauge ? certainly not a 66 in Biffa livery.
Quote from: Dorsetmike on February 03, 2021, 05:18:56 PM
Just as a matter of interest how many on this forum model SR or BR(S)? Also how many of those modelling BR(S) would change to pre BR.
I model BR(S) but only what I know/can establish/could feasibly reach Oxford between 1955-1965. It's my comfort zone and I wouldn't change to pre BR owing to lack of knowledge and it being before my time.
Quote from: honk843 on February 03, 2021, 06:48:07 PM
What I want to know is what people use to pull all the private owner wagons that are sold in N gauge?
The dates I model in answer that one - none!
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Quote from: jamespetts on February 03, 2021, 02:14:58 PM
Perhaps time for a class 117 from RevolutioN?
A class 118 would be nice. P480 would be a winner.... (Anyone local to Plymouth in the early eighties will know why ;)).
I notice the EFE JIA which is, as mentioned elsewhere on the web, a downscale from the Kernow OO model. Such a shame they missed the PBA, which I would have preferred (and in fact I emailed Ben A with a stab in the dark query about earlier today!).
I'd be amazed if they don't do a PBA. In fact I'm surprised (and annoyed!) they did the JIA first.
Mind you my bank balance or rather the wifes bank balance is quite relieved there was nothing of interest having over the last few months spent quite a bit I shouldn't have, with a new Class 31, 121, 108, 08, 14, 17, 55, 22, 26, 33, 52, 43 HST plus Mk3 Coaches plus the 8F so need a little time for the smoke to settle 8)
Anyone want to buy a Kidney :goggleeyes:
NGM
Quote from: jpendle on February 03, 2021, 03:55:34 PM
CL66 in Biffa Red ???????????????
I've already got mine from Dapol, there's plenty of other fancy liveries, or maybe they've got too much red paint?
That's my main grievance, I've no issue with it being a small announcement. But duplicating a loco which had been out for over a year and is still available new (ie the market is saturated) when they could have done the ONE one, any of the Maritime ones, GBRF grey, "Chinook", GBRF Pride. There are so many unannounced celebrity ones. No, no. Let's duplicate the one that's already on the market. Just like 66789, and 66731.
Thank you Bachmann for the...build up?
I was genuinely underwhelmed as I watched the YouTube presentation and at the end thought; is that it? Oh well, I hope things pick up in the next quarter.
Cheers,
Geoff
Sheds at top and bottom of the list and not too much in between.
As has been mentioned though, it's now a 3 month announcement schedule, so there's always hope for the next one.
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Quote from: Trainfish on February 03, 2021, 04:02:39 PM
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Whatever you do DO NOT I repeat DO NOT ;) ;) ;) go onto this Farish RMWeb Thread https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/161945-graham-farish-spring-2021-new-announcements/ (https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/161945-graham-farish-spring-2021-new-announcements/) and say anything negative about Bachmanns Farish releases, otherwise Mr York will not be impressed.
Cheers
Neal.
Well, that Leicester Thumper is a bit of a troublemaker in my eyes. Maybe needs a thump himself :D
John,
I can definitely confirm that Leicester Thumper is not me :D :D
Cheers
Neal.
Ah, I see you have your usual name there now. Or maybe you have a twin..................
Gawd help us if you do :D
In addition to the new items announced last week, the following is due in the shops in the spring quarter:
371-180A Class 40 Green Disc Headcode
371-180ASF As above with sound fitted
371-184 Class 40 Blue Disc Headcode
371-388 Class 66/4 Freightliner G&W
371-389 Class 66/7 GBRF BR Blue
371-885A Class 108 3 car Blue
371-887DS Class 108 3 car Green Sound Fitted
371-888 Class 108 3 car White & Blue
373-350 WD 40T Parrot WD Grey
373-351 WD 40T Parrot LMS Grey
374-122A MK1 RU Blue & Grey Weathered
374-123 MK1 RU Chocolate & Cream
6 x versions 16T Mineral Wagon
377-275C 27T Steel Tippler BR Grey Early
377-280 27T Steel Tippler Lancashire Steel Black
377-281 27T Steel Tippler Grey & Yellow Weathered
Above now in shops
377-451C 16T Slope-sided Mineral Wagon Bauxite
377-453 16T Slope-sided Mineral Wagon BR Grey Early
377-475 5-plank China Clay Wagon With Tarpaulin Cover GWR Grey Weathered
377-476 5-plank China Clay Wagon TOPS with Hood BR Bauxite Weathered
379-201 Platform Ramps
Best
Scott.
Thanks Scott, very useful.
Richard
The Class 40 has been delayed continuously for nearly a year now and how long have those Charringtons's TTA's been awaiting for along with others mentioned. Nothing actually new on the horizon I see... we really need a set of Peaks a Class 105 DMU a retooled Class 25/3 and with EFE do the "Baby Deltic"
I just get the feeling my wallet will be getting a rest this year, can't see much this side of Summer to be honest!! :'(
I already have a 45 and 46 in green, and will be converting the couplings at one end to EasiShunt as I do with most diesels now. I could be persuaded by a 2 headcode box version also in green. At least with NEM pockets the coupling change is easy. Though it would be a rule 1 loco - club layout use mainly! I would certainly have a 105 if produced perfect for when I run Cromarty in Diesel mode. My 25/3, again a rule 1, is fine and like my Peaks will be getting a coupling change in due course.
So far, and unusually for me, my wallet is safe from Bachmann. It's just those beggars at RevolutioN, Kato and Rapido causing it grief :D
Quote from: Newportnobby on February 06, 2021, 04:00:00 PM
So far, and unusually for me, my wallet is safe from Bachmann. It's just those beggars at RevolutioN, Kato and Rapido causing it grief :D
Yes I hope to be asked for the balance of my satire 320 layer this year. Not been following Rapido.
Well at least the backlog is being worked through.
I'll be relieving them of both those new CL66 liveries. (G&W and BR Large Logo)
John P
Quote from: Portpatrick on February 06, 2021, 04:06:58 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on February 06, 2021, 04:00:00 PM
So far, and unusually for me, my wallet is safe from Bachmann. It's just those beggars at RevolutioN, Kato and Rapido causing it grief :D
Yes I hope to be asked for the balance of my satire 320 layer this year.
Is that the one with the funny livery? ;)
Quote from: Portpatrick on February 06, 2021, 04:06:58 PM
Not been following Rapido.
It's the class 28 they've announced although due date is unknown.
Quote from: Newportnobby on February 06, 2021, 04:13:44 PM
Quote from: Portpatrick on February 06, 2021, 04:06:58 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on February 06, 2021, 04:00:00 PM
So far, and unusually for me, my wallet is safe from Bachmann. It's just those beggars at RevolutioN, Kato and Rapido causing it grief :D
Yes I hope to be asked for the balance of my satire 320 layer this year.
Is that the one with the funny livery? ;)
Probably! But both my layouts, Allanbrae and the new on Cromarty are Scotland based. Allanbrae being broadly contemporary.
Quote from: Portpatrick on February 06, 2021, 04:06:58 PM
Not been following Rapido.
It's the class 28 they've announced although due date is unknown.
Actually I did pick this one up. I already have my 3D printed body from Leicester Models - I think that is what they call themselves. Runs on a Poole 31 chassis with a 25/3 bogie at one end. Very nice. Purchase long rapido type couplings from Ray Evans. But I have adapted Poole bogies to take a NEM inner pocket before. May so so again so I can put easi shunt onto it. If I did later sell it I could substitue a NEM based Rapido. Easi shunts are pricey!
Quote from: SteveS1967 on February 06, 2021, 03:15:18 PM
The Class 40 has been delayed continuously for nearly a year now and how long have those Charringtons's TTA's been awaiting for along with others mentioned. Nothing actually new on the horizon I see... we really need a set of Peaks a Class 105 DMU a retooled Class 25/3 and with EFE do the "Baby Deltic"
I just get the feeling my wallet will be getting a rest this year, can't see much this side of Summer to be honest!! :'(
I totally agree that a set of Peaks would be useful.
I am hoping they will do D11-D15 as new with split headcode boxes and connecting doors (the notorious D14 preferred!), D16 onwards with split headcode boxes (BR blue as 45053 or 45060 would be nice), a 45 and a 46 with sealed beam headlights and a 45/1 with high intensity headlight.
Admittedly, I might have to sell the dog to get them, but if anyone from Bachmann is reading, that's what's missing and it's what quite a few people want!
A re-tooled 25/3 is also a great idea.
If we are talking DMUs though, a 118 is sadly lacking from N.
Right.
There is a dilemma for manufacturers. It might be easier to produce a near identical model for the likes of those of us who spend time reading the forum but for Mr Joe Public to buy models it has to be something different. At the last show I was at in January 2020 (seems like at least five years ago) I was asked by some clever dick if I could run the Deltic again as he did not get a shot! In fact it was a British Railways "Peak" type 4. I don't think that variations on a theme work that well in N gauge but having said that how many people would but an Era one model with nothing else to run with it?
If you have just paid out £200 plus for a sound fitted class 40 how many people are going to pay that much again to get what to many would seem to be the same looking engine at 3 foot. I might buy a couple and so would a lot on the forum but it is new comers and casual modellers that will buy in the volumes needed. For what it is worth I think Bachman have spent too much money on revamping locos which they have previously release only a couple of years before and I remember a comment in the NGS mag about the release of the new class 4 tank.
The recent EFE class 17 was excellent because it was a gap for the enthusiast and something different for those who have only just started or have only a passing interest. For the same reason it is a pity that Hattons have dropped the Garrett, Dapol can't get the West Country to the market and no progress was made with GT3.
However whilst I have great sympathy with Bachman over trying to find something that will sell in sufficient quantities to justify the cost of research and tooling, there is something wrong when they say that the market cannot justify a second 9F (a class of many variations and numbering 251) but they produce for a second time a class 66 identical to that which Dapol have brought to the market first.
Perhaps a new generation of "Peaks" is for someone like Rapido, after all it was a contempory of their class 28 --who knows?
Quote from: Portpatrick on February 08, 2021, 12:34:20 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on February 06, 2021, 04:13:44 PM
Quote from: Portpatrick on February 06, 2021, 04:06:58 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on February 06, 2021, 04:00:00 PM
So far, and unusually for me, my wallet is safe from Bachmann. It's just those beggars at RevolutioN, Kato and Rapido causing it grief :D
Yes I hope to be asked for the balance of my satire 320 layer this year.
Is that the one with the funny livery? ;)
Probably! But both my layouts, Allanbrae and the new on Cromarty are Scotland based. Allanbrae being broadly contemporary.
Quote from: Portpatrick on February 06, 2021, 04:06:58 PM
Not been following Rapido.
It's the class 28 they've announced although due date is unknown.
Actually I did pick this one up. I already have my 3D printed body from Leicester Models - I think that is what they call themselves. Runs on a Poole 31 chassis with a 25/3 bogie at one end. Very nice. Purchase long rapido type couplings from Ray Evans. But I have adapted Poole bogies to take a NEM inner pocket before. May so so again so I can put easi shunt onto it. If I did later sell it I could substitue a NEM based Rapido. Easi shunts are pricey!
Nearly, Leicester Modellers,
I agree that there are loco class and sub class variation gaps that need to be filled, whether its factory produced RTR or 3D printed. We was hoping Bachmann was going to announce peaks last week, I'm sure someone will do eventually. Bachmann have just retooled the OO gauge class 45, plus there's loads of N Gauge stuff already announced in the Bachmann catalogue that still needs to appear, once they have got through some of that then they maybe keen to produce some newer tooling's.
The class 28 announcement was a kick in the teeth for us because we were ready to order 4 kits and thankfully someone messaged us stating there was an RTR version on the horizon, so we held back our order and have now gone for something else, I will purchase one of the RTR class 28 models when they land on our shores.
I won't babble on in case someone thinks I'm an old Roarer :D
Mark
Follow our blog well Gareth's for now because I'm to busy at work https://leicestermodellers.wixsite.com/website-1/blog
Bachmann's summer 2021 announcement is on their YouTube channel tomorrow morning.
Any guesses for what we will see new for n-gauge
I would imagine it doesn't matter what they announce...
...what matters is whether anything actually ever appears!
Quote from: N_GaugeModeller on May 04, 2021, 10:16:25 PM
Bachmann's summer 2021 announcement is on their YouTube channel tomorrow morning.
Any guesses for what we will see new for n-gauge
Probably HYA and HRA wagons, as I've virtually finished my 3D printed ones!
I'll never get bored of saying a class 90!
2nded, or is it 102nded !! still waiting though
Quote from: N_GaugeModeller on May 04, 2021, 10:16:25 PM
Any guesses for what we will see new for n-gauge
Lots of froth, followed by "oh, was that it", followed by "of no interest to me"....
Steven B.
With all the production challenges at the moment due to Covid, my prediction is that there will be very little if anything new announced for the Farish range, indeed any range. I would be delighted to be proved wrong, a newly announced steam loco in N would be a really nice surprise, but I highly doubt it will happen, for that I think we will probably have to wait for Sonic.
Roy
No new models announced at all from Farish.
So it just remains to be seen what is arriving out of the previously announced models.
Best
Scott.
Well having set the bar very low indeed I wasn't surprised by the outcome.
All there is this quarter for N is a few Scenecraft buildings including a 1930s semi and a public toilet, plus a police station and something else both in relief.
Nothing new in N for the Collectors Club members either whereas OO get a pair of limited edition LU red Class 20s....
So, there we go, for Bachmann their Farish N range is definitely fast becoming the poor relation it appears....
Roy
Quote from: NGS-PO on May 05, 2021, 09:54:02 AM
No new models announced at all from Farish.
There is however a toilet block from Scenecraft which rather neatly sums up Bachmann's interest in N gauge at the moment.
Mark
tending to agree with Roy. Lets hope iust was just luck of the production slot 'draw'.
Quote from: Mark on May 05, 2021, 10:05:06 AM
Quote from: NGS-PO on May 05, 2021, 09:54:02 AM
No new models announced at all from Farish.
There is however a toilet block from Scenecraft which rather neatly sums up Bachmann's interest in N gauge at the moment.
Mark
Is the toilet block full or low relief? ::)
Quote from: Trainfish on May 05, 2021, 10:48:12 AM
Quote from: Mark on May 05, 2021, 10:05:06 AM
Quote from: NGS-PO on May 05, 2021, 09:54:02 AM
No new models announced at all from Farish.
There is however a toilet block from Scenecraft which rather neatly sums up Bachmann's interest in N gauge at the moment.
Mark
Is the toilet block full or low relief? ::)
Full relief, I believe.
I guess that's where all the big knobs hang out ;)
:sleep: :sleep: Eh? What? Whassup - did someone announce something? No? :dighole: :sleep: :sleep:
Quote from: NGS-PO on May 05, 2021, 09:54:02 AM
No new models announced at all from Farish.
So it just remains to be seen what is arriving out of the previously announced models.
Best
Scott.
I think the plan is to get the previously announced models done and there's still loads to do if you look on the website and through the locos, wagons and coaches, once they are done, then hopefully we will see more new N Gauge models on these You tube announcements, so it could be a while yet.
Quote from: mark100 on May 05, 2021, 12:01:21 PM
Quote from: NGS-PO on May 05, 2021, 09:54:02 AM
No new models announced at all from Farish.
So it just remains to be seen what is arriving out of the previously announced models.
Best
Scott.
I think the plan is to get the previously announced models done and there's still loads to do if you look on the website and through the locos, wagons and coaches, once they are done, then hopefully we will see more new N Gauge models on these You tube announcements, so it could be a while yet.
Indeed, Mark.
We just need to wait for the accompanying "Also arriving this quarter" announcement.
Best
Scott.
If the plain green Warship I ordered 2½ years ago turns up it could be financially embarrassing as I have a lot on the go at present.........
Sonic 56xx x 2 - 2nd payment
RevolutioN Class 128 - 2 to order when the order book opens
RevolutioN Class A tanks - 2nd payment
Gaugemaster class 73
Dapol M7
Kato class 800
Rapido class 28
To say nothing of a new conservatory (mancave) roof!
Quote from: NGS-PO on May 05, 2021, 12:15:39 PM
Quote from: mark100 on May 05, 2021, 12:01:21 PM
Quote from: NGS-PO on May 05, 2021, 09:54:02 AM
No new models announced at all from Farish.
So it just remains to be seen what is arriving out of the previously announced models.
Best
Scott.
I think the plan is to get the previously announced models done and there's still loads to do if you look on the website and through the locos, wagons and coaches, once they are done, then hopefully we will see more new N Gauge models on these You tube announcements, so it could be a while yet.
Indeed, Mark.
We just need to wait for the accompanying "Also arriving this quarter" announcement.
Best
Scott.
True, we have just had one, the class 40s and some other bits arrived, there's over 50 items in the catalogue that still need to be produced, most of those are existing products in new liveries and some existing loco designs being fitted with DCC sound chassis units.
I will patiently sit it out and hope that Bachmann catch up on the backlog and start CAD designing some new stuff afterwards.
Mark
To say it's the Peak of let-downs is an understatement.
just received this encouraging note from the 'horses mouth'
I can also assure you that if you get asked and I am sure you will, Graham Farish has not been forgotten just wait until the Autumn launch, rest assured we have some very exciting models en route.
A lot more encouraging so no need to give up on Farish yet!
regards
M
Quote from: jamespetts on May 05, 2021, 10:52:51 AM
Quote from: Trainfish on May 05, 2021, 10:48:12 AM
Quote from: Mark on May 05, 2021, 10:05:06 AM
Quote from: NGS-PO on May 05, 2021, 09:54:02 AM
No new models announced at all from Farish.
There is however a toilet block from Scenecraft which rather neatly sums up Bachmann's interest in N gauge at the moment.
Mark
Is the toilet block full or low relief? ::)
Full relief, I believe.
Just as well, partial relief would be most unsatisfactory for our tiny populations...
Quote from: osborns on May 05, 2021, 02:15:09 PM
just received this encouraging note from the 'horses mouth'
I can also assure you that if you get asked and I am sure you will, Graham Farish has not been forgotten just wait until the Autumn launch, rest assured we have some very exciting models en route.
A lot more encouraging so no need to give up on Farish yet!
regards
M
I should imagine that the summer announcements will always be the least interesting of all the announcements (who buys model railway things in the summer? Well, lots of people, probably, but fewer than in colder weather), and that the autumn and winter announcements will be the most interesting.
I shall look forward to the autumn announcement, and in the meantime contemplate whether the lavatory block will be suitable for my layout.
Quote from: jamespetts on May 05, 2021, 04:00:14 PM
I shall look forward to the autumn announcement, and in the meantime contemplate whether the lavatory block will be suitable for my layout.
I'm glad I have not had to wait until the Farish loo arrived on my layout. I cater for ladies and gentlemen of all ages on my layout, with my
Piddle Liddle End loos.
Bob
I see I'm not alone in being completely underwhelmed by that announcement. I can't help feeling the Farish range is being sidelined. Bachmann have been able to continue producing and releasing new OO stuff under the 'difficult circumstances' but not N.
We don't get any interesting liveries - europhoenix 37? LU 20? Large logo 37 only ever available in an expensive set with some unnecessary plastic tat or in a DCC fitted set.
We don't get any of the (growing) range of Atlantic's available in OO. Ditto Derby Lightweights, 105s, L&Y 2-4-2 tanks, the J72 in N was canned, LNER D11s, GWR 45xx & 56xx, the list goes on and on. They've been done in OO. It can't be impossibly difficult to scale down.
US or Continental N scale is starting to look more attractive each day.
C. :)
What's the point of them announcing new stuff when it will be at least a year or two before it arrives.
My understanding is that with quarterly announcements we'll only get notified of new models that are well on their way to production.
In my case I still waiting for their reliveried CL66's & CL150. Plus the new tooling CL158, and the CL319. Not to mention various wagon re-runs.
Regards,
John P
my understanding of Quarterly announcements is for items that will actually be delivered to shops in the next 3 months.
yeh it was boring - but i expected it to be to be honest.
as discussed they have a lot of backlogged items to release so i understand why they don't announce new items. however they could have just thrown in a few n gauge reliveries or something though to keep us interested!!
tim
I wonder if part of the problem is that Bachmann have created the expectation (through quarterly announcements) that there will be new things appearing. Unfortunately things don't always pan out like that despite best intentions and it highlights disparities between different ranges.
Ahhh... don't you just long for the good old days... when, if we were lucky there would be one newly tooled model from Poole every 3 or 4 years... when we didn't even get different numbers/liveries on existing tools... when the only thing about the Farish Catalogue that changed year-to-year was the price... when the first we knew of a new model was the review in Railway Modeller...
;)
Reality; we were spoilt for 10-15 years with a lot of new models, as Bachmann updated the inherited range and fought off the emerging challenge from Dapol. That was never going to be sustainable in the long term. Those who expect 3 or 4 brand-new items in every quarterly announcement just aren't being realistic...
Quote from: ChrisWV10 on May 05, 2021, 04:39:45 PM
We don't get any of the (growing) range of Atlantic's available in OO. Ditto Derby Lightweights, 105s, L&Y 2-4-2 tanks, the J72 in N was canned, LNER D11s, GWR 45xx & 56xx, the list goes on and on. They've been done in OO. It can't be impossibly difficult to scale down.
Dapol have already done the 45xx and may uprate it I seem to recall reading somewhere.
Sonics 56xx are hopefully in transit.
So no one else will be doing those two :no:
Quote from: PLD on May 05, 2021, 09:16:58 PM
Ahhh... don't you just long for the good old days... when, if we were lucky there would be one newly tooled model from Poole every 3 or 4 years... when we didn't even get different numbers/liveries on existing tools... when the only thing about the Farish Catalogue that changed year-to-year was the price... when the first we knew of a new model was the review in Railway Modeller...
;)
Reality; we were spoilt for 10-15 years with a lot of new models, as Bachmann updated the inherited range and fought off the emerging challenge from Dapol. That was never going to be sustainable in the long term. Those who expect 3 or 4 brand-new items in every quarterly announcement just aren't being realistic...
I've said much the same on other threads.....
To give a slight balance, there are a lot of 'awaited' items on the Farish list on their website.
Like others, though, I do feel a little disappointed that there hasn't been at least some models in N which have appeared in OO. However, perhaps these models haven't been scaled to N as they are basing future sales on what was achieved in OO-or not?
Martyn
Quote from: red_death on May 05, 2021, 08:17:39 PM
I wonder if part of the problem is that Bachmann have created the expectation (through quarterly announcements) that there will be new things appearing. Unfortunately things don't always pan out like that despite best intentions and it highlights disparities between different ranges.
I think that is a fair observation Mike. However I also think that to an extent the disillusioned comments are driven by the fact that in Q1 there was nothing new tool announced (the Parrot has been known about for quite a while) and ditto Q2 apart from four Scenecraft models. I think people are realistic enough not to expect multiple new models in six months but something would have been nice. I was pleased to see Maurice's quote from Bachmann, I just hope that the "exciting news" for Q3 lives up to that bold statement. I would love to see (but don't expect) a new tool V2 following on the heels of the OO one. Maybe TINGS will be the place we find out.
Roy
I quite like Bachmann's new quarterly announcements. It's good knowing what's actually going to arrive in the next 3 months so it can be budgeted for. Surprises like the EFE class 17 are also very welcome.
That said, it does show up the very slow progress on models that have already been announced - including simple re-runs of existing models. It'd be nice if they provided some updates on existing projects. The class 319 was first announced in 2016/17, the class 158 in 2018. There are dozens of re-liveries still waiting for production slots.
Steven B.
Hi all,
I must admit I was a little disappointed that the Farish announcement didn't have a single item of rolling stock to offer, and with that in mind I am surprised they started the video presentation by highlighting this being Farish's 50th anniversary year.
I feel this immediately created a level of expectation that was not going to be fulfilled.
In marketing terms, I also feel that Bachmann have painted themselves into a bit of a corner with the double-whammy of announcements every three months that can only mention items due in the next three months, and then sticking rigidly to this.
If they do have a more impressive line up expected for the autumn announcement these could've been spaced out to maintain a feelgood feeling about Farish among their customers throughout the year if they were less proscriptive.
cheers
Ben A.
Quote from: ChrisWV10 on May 05, 2021, 04:39:45 PM
Large logo 37 only ever available in an expensive set with some unnecessary plastic tat or in a DCC fitted set.
Untrue. Bachmann have done 4 examples:
37558 (Vulcan set)
37418 (DCC set)
37407 (general release)
37027 (limited run for TMC)
So actually this is a very well catered for livery, through a range of releases. One has been easily able to source models split from sets also - I've bought one in the last month!
Cheers,
Alan
I am looking forward to 372-729, I think
The Standard 5 on weathered black
Also the Hebredian TSO and adapted 101 end car, 374-995.
Quote from: Portpatrick on May 06, 2021, 11:01:08 AM
I am looking forward to 372-729, I think
The Standard 5 on weathered black
Also the Hebredian TSO and adapted 101 end car, 374-995.
Except that the BR Black Standard 5 73050 will no longer be weathered - I have queried and Bachmann have confirmed.
Quote from: Dr Al on May 06, 2021, 10:09:05 AM
Quote from: ChrisWV10 on May 05, 2021, 04:39:45 PM
Large logo 37 only ever available in an expensive set with some unnecessary plastic tat or in a DCC fitted set.
Untrue. Bachmann have done 4 examples:
37558 (Vulcan set)
37418 (DCC set)
37407 (general release)
37027 (limited run for TMC)
So actually this is a very well catered for livery, through a range of releases. One has been easily able to source models split from sets also - I've bought one in the last month!
Cheers,
Alan
So actually 1 general release then if you don't want the extras.
Thanks for the info Roy. I will probably not bother with it if that is the case.
Quote from: Portpatrick on May 06, 2021, 01:15:25 PM
Thanks for the info Roy. I will probably not bother with it if that is the case.
Indeed Colin, I cancelled mine too, the whole appeal of that model was that it was to be a weathered variant.
Quote from: Roy L S on May 06, 2021, 04:21:14 PM
Quote from: Portpatrick on May 06, 2021, 01:15:25 PM
Thanks for the info Roy. I will probably not bother with it if that is the case.
Indeed Colin, I cancelled mine too, the whole appeal of that model was that it was to be a weathered variant.
Yes, I have a black one with the curved top tender. A green one with the inset tender. (Cannot remembers the exact type nomenclature). A weathered one really appealed. Having another black one but just with the inset tender does not quite cut it! Unless I really splash out and order from TMC!
I agree with the comments Made By Ben A.
The issue is less that there is nothing of note coming short term in the Graham Farish Range but in the delivery of that fact.
There doesn't need to be anything to show, making a song and dance about something that's expected or tease at a future announcement. Yes you will always have cynics it is better to spend a few minutes than a leave a void for disappointment.
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It was mentioned in the video that the Delivery Dates on the Website had been updated so I compiled a list.
If nothing slips* We look to be in for a bumper (and expensive) winter!
(*Between stuck ships, plastic prices and electronic shortages I don't want to be that project manager!)
(Below correct as of 05/06)
Jun/Jul
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SE&CR N Class 1823 SR Maunsell Green
SE&CR N Class 31810 BR Lined Black (Late Crest)
SE&CR N Class 1860 SR Black (Sunshine)
BR Mk1 RU Restaurant Unclassified BR Maroon
BR Mk1 RU Restaurant Unclassified BR Blue & Grey
BR Mk1 RU Restaurant Unclassified BR (WR) Chocolate & Cream
Class 108 3-Car DMU BR Blue
Class 108 3-Car DMU BR Green (Speed Whiskers)
Class 108 3-Car DMU BR White & Blue
Aug/Sep
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LMS 20T Brake Van BR Grey (Early)
LMS 20T Brake Van LMS Grey
Sep/Oct
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BR 45T TTA Tank Wagon 'Charringtons' Black
BR 45T TTA Tank Wagon 'Fina' Silver
Nov/Dec
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Class 150/1 2-Car DMU 150135 BR Provincial (Original)
Class 150/2 2-Car DMU 150236 Arriva Trains Wales (Revised)
Class 150/2 2-Car DMU 150236 Arriva Trains Wales (Revised)
Class 150/2 2-Car DMU 150275 Northern
Dec/Jan
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BR 12T Ventilated Van Planked Sides BR Bauxite (Early)
BR 12T Ventilated Van Planked Sides BR Bauxite (Late)
BR 12T Ventilated Van Planked Sides BR Departmental Olive Green
BR 10T Insulated Van BR White
BR 10T Insulated Van BR Ice Blue
BR 10T Insulated Ale Van BR Bauxite (Early)
BR Mk1 BG Brake Gangwayed BR (WR) Chocolate & Cream
BR Mk1 BG Brake Gangwayed Generator Van Network Rail Yellow
BR Mk1 BG Brake Gangwayed Royal Mail Letters
BR Mk1 BG Brake Gangwayed BR Blue (Newspapers)
BR Mk2A TSO Tourist Second Open BR Regional Railways
BR 'Highlander' Pack Mk2 TSO & Class 101 DTCL BR Highland Rail G. & C.
BR Mk2 TSO & Mk1 BG 2-Coach Pack BR ScotRail
LNER 12T Ventilated Van Corrugated Steel Ends BR Bauxite (Late)
LNER 12T Ventilated Fruit Van Planked Ends BR Bauxite (Late)
LNER 12T Fruit Van Planked Ends LNER Bauxite
Jan/Feb
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Class 101 2-Car DMU BR Blue & Grey
Class 101 2-Car DMU BR Blue & Grey
Class 101 2-Car DMU BR Green (Speed Whiskers)
Class 319 4-Car EMU 319004 BR Network SouthEast (Revised)
Class 319 4-Car EMU 319382 Thameslink
Class 319 4-Car EMU 319362 Northern Rail
MR 20T Brake Van with Duckets LMS Grey
MR 20T Brake Van without Duckets Midland Railway Grey
MR 20T Brake Van with Duckets BR Grey (Early)
Quote from: Ben A on May 06, 2021, 10:08:17 AM
I must admit I was a little disappointed that the Farish announcement didn't have a single item of rolling stock to offer, and with that in mind I am surprised they started the video presentation by highlighting this being Farish's 50th anniversary year.
Hi @Ben A (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94)
Totally agree with you - actually thought this was poor marketing for the same reason.
If the Q3 announcement is going to be something special for Farish then I would have "saved" that intro for then.
Kind regards
Paddy
Quote from: jpendle on May 05, 2021, 05:25:16 PM
What's the point of them announcing new stuff when it will be at least a year or two before it arrives.
My understanding is that with quarterly announcements we'll only get notified of new models that are well on their way to production.
In my case I still waiting for their reliveried CL66's & CL150. Plus the new tooling CL158, and the CL319. Not to mention various wagon re-runs.
Regards,
John P
The Quarterly announcements was decided a couple of years back after Bachman had got themselves a huge list of items to come, I don't think we will actually see any new tooling's until that back catalogue is nearly complete or completed.
Mark
At last there's possible release dates for the 319s and Northern's 150/2 :claphappy: :claphappy:
Looks like there's nothing on Caley Dave's list (see reply #139) for me so Farish will see none of my wonga for the foreseeable.
However, RevolutioN, Kato, Dapol, Gaugemaster and Rapido will benefit from it :D
Yep, same. We'll see what happens in the autumn announcements I guess. I notice a lot of rumblings of discontent among the OO fraternity that they're not getting any more 90s. There was one batch, and then no further ones have come out. Speculation it's due to QC issues with broken bogie mounts, but I wonder if actually it's more than that, which probably dents the likelihood of an N gauge one.
I'm not even sure what else I think is missing now that I'd buy, frankly, aside from some EMUs. Sure the manufacturers will find things though :worried:
Just noticed the dates on RM Web. My disappointment is that the 4Fs, J39s, Fairburns and 5MTs (retooled tender for sound) are still "awaiting" and doubtless that means a post-Feb 2022 release. As I said in t'other place, I have a sound fitted 5MT on order (did have a weathered one too until Bachmann said it would no longer be) doubtless that means a further price rise on top of the one that has just happened....
I just hope the "exciting news" for Q3 isn't hype, it helps nobody (especially not Bachmann) to build up expectations with words like that, only for the reality to be something different.
There hasn't been a new steam loco announced by Bachmann for what must be at least three years(?), the 8F was the last, it is surely about time something new and with suitably wide appeal was announced? Unlike diesels now, there is a long list of suitable candidates, who wouldn't love a sound fitted V2 or 9F to current standards? OK they would come at a price, but for either of those I just wouldn't care :admiration:
Wait and see I guess but I am not holding my breath, based on recent experiences I am prepared to be underwhelmed....
I say again, thank goodness for Sam at Sonic and Revolution supporting him in flying the flag for N steam...
Roy
This is my view only.
Not even scraps off the table in the the way of some new liveries, when anything is announced crazy high price, really, are Bachmann interested at all in n gauge. Not convinced on the argument that the n gauge market is too small, the right models at the right price does create demand. Locos need to be at the £100 mark and two axle wagons £12 to £14, (once the retail discount is applied) other manufacturers seem to manage this OK, so why not Bachmann?
I have not bought any new Farish items for years, only items being sold by box shifters that are heavily discounted when Farish cannot sell these due to initial over pricing or miss judged demand.
Quote from: ChrisWV10 on May 06, 2021, 12:48:22 PM
Quote from: Dr Al on May 06, 2021, 10:09:05 AM
Quote from: ChrisWV10 on May 05, 2021, 04:39:45 PM
Large logo 37 only ever available in an expensive set with some unnecessary plastic tat or in a DCC fitted set.
Untrue. Bachmann have done 4 examples:
37558 (Vulcan set)
37418 (DCC set)
37407 (general release)
37027 (limited run for TMC)
So actually this is a very well catered for livery, through a range of releases. One has been easily able to source models split from sets also - I've bought one in the last month!
Cheers,
Alan
So actually 1 general release then if you don't want the extras.
Indeed. Though the 37418s are ten-a-penny right now - I've seen 4 for sale in the last month, all at reasonable prices. Remove and sell on the DCC decoder if you so wish.
I think it's unfair to criticise Bachmann on this livery when 4 separate models have been released over the years - some liveries have never been done!
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Roy L S on May 07, 2021, 12:14:24 PM
I just hope the "exciting news" for Q3 isn't hype, it helps nobody (especially not Bachmann) to build up expectations with words like that, only for the reality to be something different.
Surely a 94xx - given Bachmann have just done it in OO - nothing relating to 50 years of Grafar would be as relevant.
Cheers,
Alan
Farish's forthcoming class 150/2 Northern version is now history!
https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/63844/371-335-Graham-Farish-Class-150-2-2-Car-DMU-150275-Northern (https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/63844/371-335-Graham-Farish-Class-150-2-2-Car-DMU-150275-Northern)
Northern's logo changed last year https://twitter.com/Richard_rail/status/1270431599247724544?s=20 (https://twitter.com/Richard_rail/status/1270431599247724544?s=20)
Quote from: Dr Al on May 07, 2021, 09:14:39 PM
Quote from: Roy L S on May 07, 2021, 12:14:24 PM
I just hope the "exciting news" for Q3 isn't hype, it helps nobody (especially not Bachmann) to build up expectations with words like that, only for the reality to be something different.
Surely a 94xx - given Bachmann have just done it in OO - nothing relating to 50 years of Grafar would be as relevant.
Cheers,
Alan
Farish also announced a GER Holden tank (LNER J69) in 1971 nothing's ruled out yet!
http://www.ness-st.co.uk/pdf/Graham_Farish_1971.pdf (http://www.ness-st.co.uk/pdf/Graham_Farish_1971.pdf)
Quote from: Rabbitaway on May 07, 2021, 08:47:20 PM
This is my view only.
are Buchmann interested at all in n gauge.
Well, looking at their website https://www.buchmann.com/ (https://www.buchmann.com/) their main interest seems to be in large scale Germanic buildings - I can't even see any mention of British trains in any scale...
;) ::) :hmmm: :uneasy:
Quote;
Farish also announced a GER Holden tank (LNER J69) in 1971 nothing's ruled out yet!
http://www.ness-st.co.uk/pdf/Graham_Farish_1971.pdf (http://www.ness-st.co.uk/pdf/Graham_Farish_1971.pdf)
A J67/69 to modern standards would be quite welcomed by me..........but there are lots of variations in these classes.
Martyn
Quote from: gc4946 on May 07, 2021, 09:35:32 PM
Quote from: Dr Al on May 07, 2021, 09:14:39 PM
Quote from: Roy L S on May 07, 2021, 12:14:24 PM
I just hope the "exciting news" for Q3 isn't hype, it helps nobody (especially not Bachmann) to build up expectations with words like that, only for the reality to be something different.
Surely a 94xx - given Bachmann have just done it in OO - nothing relating to 50 years of Grafar would be as relevant.
Cheers,
Alan
Farish also announced a GER Holden tank (LNER J69) in 1971 nothing's ruled out yet!
http://www.ness-st.co.uk/pdf/Graham_Farish_1971.pdf (http://www.ness-st.co.uk/pdf/Graham_Farish_1971.pdf)
If Bachmann considered the J72 too technically challenging I would be surprised if they would consider a J69.
Like Alan I would have thought the 50th anniversary of Farish would have been celebrated by a newly tooled 94xx, the first loco in the original N range to modern standards.
Incidentally my Bachmann Times crashed through the door this morning. Their "works report" reveals that 5MT chassis mods are apparently still in the tool room as they were last quarter, but better news for modern modellers, 60 sound upgrade is at EP stage and there are pics of deco samples of the 319s which to my admittedly uneducated eye look rather good.
Of the the two pages given over to this report one entirely relates to the GBRF Class 60 "Graham Farish" and I do wonder if that will be the extent of the celebrations.
There is a long and detailed article on the "Peaks" of which a new variant has recently been released in OO and a few other prototype articles which seem to have background in existing OO models.
Overall though, disappointingly little N related which unsurprisingly reflects the recent announcements.
Let's hope Q3 makes up for it. Bachmann say that as long as it is sensible and safe they will be at TINGS, and to stimulate a bit more optimism (frothing?) I am wondering if we might see a newly tooled "Peak" as a Q3 release.
Roy
After the abandonment of the J72, I've never expected a J67/69 to appear again.
Sadly.
Let's hope for good news Sonic's future announcements, after the 56XX arrives.
Martyn
Quote from: Roy L S on May 08, 2021, 10:35:38 AM
Let's hope Q3 makes up for it. Bachmann say that as long as it is sensible and safe they will be at TINGS, and to stimulate a bit more optimism (frothing?) I am wondering if we might see a newly tooled "Peak" as a Q3 release.
@Roy L S (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=242)
Best you could hope for would be a Qtr 3 'Announcement' rather than a 'release', methinks, Roy.
I feel that Bachmann let themselves down by not publicising more clearly what actually will be delivered in the coming three months:-
Class 66/4 diesel loco G&W
3 x Class 108 3 car DMUs
3 x SECR N Class steam locos
3 x Mk1RU restaurant cars
11 x 5/7/8 plank open wagons
2 x LMS brake vans
3 x different packs of wheels - at last.
Information from the Bachmann Collectors Club magazine.
Hopefully someone will want them.
I'm Not at home this weekend so haven't seen the club magazine. Can you advise what liveries the 108s are Mike? And the RRP?
I never thought we'd see Farish release three car units again, so it's a welcome development and certainly one I'm interested in.
Best
Scott
Quote from: Newportnobby on May 08, 2021, 11:47:14 AM
Quote from: Roy L S on May 08, 2021, 10:35:38 AM
Let's hope Q3 makes up for it. Bachmann say that as long as it is sensible and safe they will be at TINGS, and to stimulate a bit more optimism (frothing?) I am wondering if we might see a newly tooled "Peak" as a Q3 release.
@Roy L S (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=242)
Best you could hope for would be a Qtr 3 'Announcement' rather than a 'release', methinks, Roy.
Ah yes, quite correct, my bad....
Quote from: NGS-PO on May 08, 2021, 02:19:46 PM
I'm Not at home this weekend so haven't seen the club magazine. Can you advise what liveries the 108s are Mike? And the RRP?
I never thought we'd see Farish release three car units again, so it's a welcome development and certainly one I'm interested in.
Best
Scott
Scott
I do not know the RRPs so give you Rails prices
371-885A BR Blue £203.96
371-887DS Green + speed whiskers (Sound) £280.46
371-888 BR White with blue stripe £203.96
Quote from: woodbury22uk on May 08, 2021, 03:59:13 PM
Quote from: NGS-PO on May 08, 2021, 02:19:46 PM
I'm Not at home this weekend so haven't seen the club magazine. Can you advise what liveries the 108s are Mike? And the RRP?
I never thought we'd see Farish release three car units again, so it's a welcome development and certainly one I'm interested in.
Best
Scott
Scott
I do not know the RRPs so give you Rails prices
371-885A BR Blue £203.96
371-887DS Green + speed whiskers (Sound) £280.46
371-888 BR White with blue stripe £203.96
Thanks!
I was afraid the green would be sound.
Best
Scott.
Sorry, but IMHO over £200 for a 3 car unit is just daft when Kato can do a 5 car one for £180 - Rails price used for comparison.
Quote from: Newportnobby on May 08, 2021, 04:28:37 PM
Sorry, but IMHO over £200 for a 3 car unit is just daft when Kato can do a 5 car one for £180 - Rails price used for comparison.
I think he's turning Japanese, I think he's turning Japanese, I really think so.
Bob
Quote from: Newportnobby on May 08, 2021, 04:28:37 PM
Sorry, but IMHO over £200 for a 3 car unit is just daft when Kato can do a 5 car one for £180 - Rails price used for comparison.
I agree 100%. All Farish prices have gone stupidly high now. I have a white DMU and a Kato 500 on pre-order. Unless I can sell 1 of my DMUs for a sensible price then the white DMU pre-order will be cancelled. I may reluctantly sell 1 of the 2-car 108s. There seems to be a couple missing from this picture anyway so I shouldn't miss one.................
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/105/262-270121021535-1052532194.jpeg)
Dapol do seem to have weathered the price rises rather better than Farish, parisons to Kato are unfair (if understandable) as they'll have produced 20-50 times the volume that Farish do.
Quote from: Bob G on May 08, 2021, 05:09:27 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on May 08, 2021, 04:28:37 PM
Sorry, but IMHO over £200 for a 3 car unit is just daft when Kato can do a 5 car one for £180 - Rails price used for comparison.
I think he's turning Japanese, I think he's turning Japanese, I really think so.
Bob
No wonder everyone avoids him like a cyclone ranger.
PW
Quote from: Bob G on May 08, 2021, 05:09:27 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on May 08, 2021, 04:28:37 PM
Sorry, but IMHO over £200 for a 3 car unit is just daft when Kato can do a 5 car one for £180 - Rails price used for comparison.
I think he's turning Japanese, I think he's turning Japanese, I really think so.
Bob
I reckon you're having a touch of the Vapours @Bob G (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1517) :-X
Quote from: PennineWagons on May 09, 2021, 12:03:59 AM
Quote from: Bob G on May 08, 2021, 05:09:27 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on May 08, 2021, 04:28:37 PM
Sorry, but IMHO over £200 for a 3 car unit is just daft when Kato can do a 5 car one for £180 - Rails price used for comparison.
I think he's turning Japanese, I think he's turning Japanese, I really think so.
Bob
No wonder everyone avoids him like a cyclone ranger.
PW
Everyone..... ;)
I've just come to the horrific realisation that Turning Japanese is over forty years old. It was released as a single in 1980. (I remember buying it when I was a student. Still got it somewhere.) So basically, nobody under the age of 50 is likely to have the slightest idea what we're talking about. Blimey this is making me feel old.
PW
34 here, and well aware of the Vapors!
Quote from: Newportnobby on May 08, 2021, 04:28:37 PM
Sorry, but IMHO over £200 for a 3 car unit is just daft when Kato can do a 5 car one for £180 - Rails price used for comparison.
Revolution 92s are £175, for just a loco... it's all a bit apples:oranges.