Hi guys
Does anyone know if there anyone
Making cab ends for either class 101 or
108 DMU. I have some MK1 coach's that I would
Like to convert so I can make a6 car set
but using only the original driving DMU.
All help appreciated.
BHE definately do cab ends in white metal. http://www.bhenterprises.co.uk/ (http://www.bhenterprises.co.uk/) . Search the catalogue. Having used some recently I would say they aren't the best castings. Also I don't think BHE (Ray Evans) is trading due to ill health - there were some posts on here a while back about this.
Also N Train do some as 3D prints: https://n-train.net/epages/deba4b2c-2faa-4fd7-967f-c57d7bf70bd2.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=Categories (https://n-train.net/epages/deba4b2c-2faa-4fd7-967f-c57d7bf70bd2.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=Categories) but not what you want.
There are probably some on Shapeways - Rue d'Etropal's shop springs to mind.
HTH Norman
Which length Mk1s are you hoping to use?
Corridor mk1s are 63' long, non-corridors are 57'. Class 101 and 108 are 57' long.
Neither length coach sides correspond to the sides of 101s or 108s regarding doors and windows.
Try tunnerone61's links for underframe details.
Martyn
Thinking about the OPs proposal I'd have thought it much easier and not a lot more expensive to buy complete 101 or 108 units to make up a 6 car train of two 3 car or 3 2 car units.
Both 101s and 108s came in new as 2, 3 or 4 car sets but never 6 car sets, see https://www.railcar.co.uk/. (https://www.railcar.co.uk/.)
Farish have never done a 4car unit of either type and you'd need to do some modelling to create an accurate 4 car set. eg the 4 car 101s had the brake in a trailer, but the 2 and 3 car units had it in a driving power car.
Or perhaps I've totally misread what the OP wants to do???
I wanted to make a representation of two 3 car sets joined together. I didn't want to buy a new set and two decoders .I wanted to convert some old MK1 carriages as a lock down project. As it is only me who will
see it it hasn't got to be 100% accurate.
OK then, I think I get what you want to do. So it's back to the suggestions of where to get cab ends I made in reply#1.
I still think you'd be better off trying to source a second 3 car unit on the second hand market. You might get a non runner where you take the motor out so it is effectively a dummy.
Good luck.
Rather than hack a 63' Mk1 why not mount a DMU body shell on a BG or GUV chassis?
BR Lines (https://www.farishnspares.co.uk/graham-farish-by-bachmann.html?page=all) have class 101 body shells in BR green and class 108 shells in BR blue for £15 each.
The Farish DMUs are only driven by four wheels on one bogie. Dragging a further 4 coaches might be pushing the motor/drive to its limit, especially if you have any gradients on your layout. It might be worth buying a second powered unit and expanding each to three cars by inserting a standard Mk1 coach.
Steven B.
Reply#6;
'The Farish DMUs are only driven by four wheels on one bogie. Dragging a further 4 coaches might be pushing the motor/drive to its limit, especially if you have any gradients on your layout. It might be worth buying a second powered unit and expanding each to three cars by inserting a standard Mk1 coach.'
If you have the later Poole style 101, powered by effectively a bo-bo chassis, then six cars shouldn't be a problem
I agree with Steven B that if you use the original Poole 4-wheel motor bogie or the Chinese 4-wheel drive from the current 101 or 108, then six cars could be a problem, though Farish use the latter for their 4 car EMUs.
Martyn
Quote from: tunneroner61 on January 14, 2021, 06:11:52 PM
Farish have never done a 4car unit of either type and you'd need to do some modelling to create an accurate 4 car set. eg the 4 car 101s had the brake in a trailer, but the 2 and 3 car units had it in a driving power car.
Or perhaps I've totally misread what the OP wants to do???
I remember seeing the occasional 3-car Class 101 on the Darlington-Saltburn line with a TBS between 2 DMS; IIRC these were previously 4-car sets that had lost their TS. I'd love to see a TBS 3-car set from GF, but I doubt that will happen as they never made any 2-car sets with 2-character headcode boxes in blue (I'm having to repaint some green ones).
Why not convert them into Swindon InterCity sets as used on the WR in the 1960s and on the southern Trans-Pennine service in the 1970s until 1984? BH Enterprises for the ends and underframe equipment and Electra Graphics for the pre-printed sides.
I run a DMU set consisting of 3 x 3car units with only one unit powered and have had no problems with pulling power. The set is a model of a 9 car unit that ran from Hereford to Birmingham in the late 60s. I commuted on it from Ledbury to Malvern Link. When the world returns and Model Railway exhibitions return, the set runs on Umbridge, the N gauge layout of the REC Farnborough.
Tony
Funny you should suggest that as last year I did just that - 4 Mk1s to a 123 and 3 to a 120, using BHE parts, Electra vinyls and a Greenmax chassis.
Ta da, Norman
Further to my earlier post. A Youtube video posted by DCC125 of my set at the 2019 Warley Exhibition. The set appears at 7:14.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myPXymB7whI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myPXymB7whI)
Tony
http://n-train.net/Cabs-Etc (http://n-train.net/Cabs-Etc)
I am currently working on Class 100 and Class 105 DMU body kits.
What chassis will they use, please, Bob?
Martyn
Most of my kits are designed for use with Tomytec chassis, which are not ideal due to the bogie wheelbase.
EMU have been powered using Farish 150, so I see no reason why the Farish 101/108 chassis could not be used for 57ft designs.
It's all a matter of cost vs convenience vs ease vs compromise.