Heard at the Doctors today, they hope to commence Covid vaccinations in about 2 weeks, starting with over 80s (that includes me)and other very vulnerables, then 75-80, then 70-75 etc.
Fingers crossed!
Good to hear progress is being made, we've to get on top of this thing asap.
Sadly, according to the Beeb, I may have to wait for another vaccine to be granted approval. My haematologist told me on the 30th (before 1st vaccine was approved) that I have a weak immune system, so assume I have to look forward to more shielding.
Best of luck with it :thumbsup:
They administered about 10,000 yesterday? Not sure about in a couple of weeks.
Imagine it'll be a fair while before it makes its way to me!
Quote from: njee20 on December 09, 2020, 08:03:59 AM
They administered about 10,000 yesterday? Not sure about in a couple of weeks.
Imagine it'll be a fair while before it makes its way to me!
They're doing geriatric hospital patients in the vulnerable group and vital staff this week in 70 major hospitals.. Shortly they start shipping the stuff to all hospitals and doctors the number done per day will shoot up..
I'm emigrating to Canada.
I've just read they've bought enough vaccine to inoculate the entire population five times over!
:goggleeyes:
Apparently a couple of NHS staff had an allergic reaction to the jab. They are OK but a warning was issued to people who have severe allergies.
Quote from: emjaybee on December 09, 2020, 10:37:44 AM
I'm emigrating to Canada.
I've just read they've bought enough vaccine to inoculate the entire population five times over!
:goggleeyes:
Two jabs in the arm is bad enough for some folks, but five/ten!? :o. ;). :D
My wife and I are looking forward to getting the jabs. I'm 68 and medically vulnerable though not in the high risk group, and she's 70 and keeping a low profile to protect me and herself. My GP surgery had an extremely efficient Flu vaccine drive-thru program a month back, utilising a local farms large and empty sheds to funnel cars through. In and out in minutes. Hopefully they will use the same system for the Covid jabs once they get the supplies through after the most needy and medical staff on the frontline get vaccinated.
Just trying to imagine the telephone conversation -
Docs: "Mr. Daffy, can you come for your flu jab next Monday at 9.30am?"
Mr. D: "Yes"
Docs: "Good, make sure you are wearing loose fitting clothing."
Mr. D: "Okay"
Docs: "Go up to Mr. McDonalds farm and take the left track to the large barn. Drive into the barn and the Nurse will see you there".
Mr. D: "Okay"
Docs: "Oh .... and don't forget your wellies".
:)
Quote from: Malc on December 09, 2020, 10:51:47 AM
Apparently a couple of NHS staff had an allergic reaction to the jab. They are OK but a warning was issued to people who have severe allergies.
Evening Standard online:
QuoteBoth staff members have a significant history of allergic reactions, to the extent where they need to carry an adrenaline auto-injector with them, it is understood.
They developed symptoms of "anaphylactoid reaction" shortly after receiving the vaccine, but both recovered after the appropriate treatment.
Quote from: dannyboy on December 09, 2020, 11:42:44 AM
Just trying to imagine the telephone conversation -
Docs: "Mr. Daffy, can you come for your flu jab next Monday at 9.30am?"
Mr. D: "Yes"
Docs: "Good, make sure you are wearing loose fitting clothing."
Mr. D: "Okay"
Docs: "Go up to Mr. McDonalds farm and take the left track to the large barn. Drive into the barn and the Nurse will see you there".
Mr. D: "Okay"
Docs: "Oh .... and don't forget your wellies".
:)
Docs: "And nosepegs".
Eee i eee i oh!
Are you now being treated for Mad Cow Disease, Mike? ;)
Having just had my 70th birthday I'm going to be in the 4th group according to the priority listings and fully intend to go along to my local clinic when the time comes.
Now I do consider myself a reasonably intelligent fellow, so why the hell am I avoiding (as I do every year) a flu jab?
The only excuse I can come up with is that it is advised to allow a fair passage of time between the two.
Dunno..
Alec.
Quote from: Newportnobby on December 09, 2020, 12:06:32 PM
Are you now being treated for Mad Cow Disease, Mike? ;)
reply self-censored after due consideration as considered non-PC/unfunny by a certain
Mad.... person I live with.
And I don't want my lunch tipped over my head.
Quote from: Invicta Alec on December 09, 2020, 12:58:58 PM
Now I do consider myself a reasonably intelligent fellow, so why the hell am I avoiding (as I do every year) a flue jab?
I think an injection with a flue could be extremely painful :ouch: ;)
However, most injections are pretty awful......(look closely).......
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/103/264-091220131705-103011137.png)
Yes, thank you Mick for pointing out this often misunderstood word.
I was of course using ye olde Englysh spelling of flu. :-[
Alec.
Quote from: emjaybee on December 09, 2020, 10:37:44 AM
I'm emigrating to Canada.
I've just read they've bought enough vaccine to inoculate the entire population five times over!
:goggleeyes:
The UK has ordered enough to do the population several times over..
ordered from several companies in case some don't work.. If they all work then the UK will look good giving the rest away to 3rd world countries. Luckily the first is the expensive one £15 a shot. The Astra Zenica is supposed to be a couple of pounds a shot..
If my local surgeries history with my flu jabs is anything to go by, I may get my vaccine about 2030, despite being at risk due to asthma and other breathing problems.
Managed to get a flu jab this year for the first time in several years.
Normally, I get my letter, ring for an appointment, sorry, no appointments, ring in 6 weeks. Ring again, no appointments etc
I am full of confidence that they can cope...............
Quote from: The Q on December 09, 2020, 01:42:28 PM
Quote from: emjaybee on December 09, 2020, 10:37:44 AM
I'm emigrating to Canada.
I've just read they've bought enough vaccine to inoculate the entire population five times over!
:goggleeyes:
The UK has ordered enough to do the population several times over..
ordered from several companies in case some don't work.. If they all work then the UK will look good giving the rest away to 3rd world countries. Luckily the first is the expensive one £15 a shot. The Astra Zenica is supposed to be a couple of pounds a shot..
I reckon by the time it gets to me it'll be "Good afternoon Sir, which vaccine would you like, the Astra Zenica one is quite popular today, although if you'd prefer a warm fuzzy feeling for 24hrs perhaps you'd prefer the BioNtech?"
Compare it with your car, would you rush out and buy the MK 1 version or wait for the MK 3
My 80-year-old mum is trying to get an appointment for a blood test at her GP - if she can get through to reception.
I won't be surprised that she'll be offered a jab whilst present at the surgery.
Having said that I hope medical staff will chase up patients so that they don't miss getting their second jabs two or three weeks later.
Quote from: Malc on December 09, 2020, 10:51:47 AM
Apparently a couple of NHS staff had an allergic reaction to the jab. They are OK but a warning was issued to people who have severe allergies.
Pfizer quote a rate of 6/1000 for reactions to the jab, and 5/1000 for the control ( water) jab!!
probably not a good idea if you have had a SERIOUS reaction to precious vacc ( redness, fever and malaise for 24hrs are normal with most)
Quote from: gc4946 on December 09, 2020, 02:35:28 PM
My 80-year-old mum is trying to get an appointment for a blood test at her GP - if she can get through to reception.
I won't be surprised that she'll be offered a jab whilst present at the surgery.
Having said that I hope medical staff will chase up patients so that they don't miss getting their second jabs two or three weeks later.
GPs will probably have one centre per CCG to administer due to requirements of Pfizer Vacc ( -80C storage etc). GP surgeries will probably use the Oxford or Moderna vaccine when available as storage requirements easier.
GPS will be doing Care home vaccs.
surprisingly i wont be rushing out for multiple reasons
how longs it last? "we don't know"
will it stop me passing on the virus? " we don't know"
side effects? "no,well actually erm yea maybe 1 or 2 "
do's it actually work? we dont know "
whats the procedure if i have a bad reaction that affects me for life? "tough, were immune from any come backs"
All the above can be verified as statements made by either government ministers,the research team or the ceo of pfizer .To be honest id rather trust the drugs from dodgy bloke in the pub toilet to anything this government has to offer
Thus spake the president of the flat earth society.
Quote from: themadhippy on December 09, 2020, 03:49:49 PM
surprisingly i wont be rushing out for multiple reasons
how longs it last? "we don't know"
will it stop me passing on the virus? " we don't know"
side effects? "no,well actually erm yea maybe 1 or 2 "
do's it actually work? we dont know "
whats the procedure if i have a bad reaction that affects me for life? "tough, were immune from any come backs"
All the above can be verified as statements made by either government ministers,the research team or the ceo of pfizer .To be honest id rather trust the drugs from dodgy bloke in the pub toilet to anything this government has to offer
Hi
You are quick to rubbish anything that is being done so let's hear your solution to the virus complete with all eventualities covered.
Cheers
Paul
The initial idea ,herd immunity,not a popular choice to some ,but the human body is designed to fight off virus's and develop its own immunity,unfortunately to many people live in a super sterile world cleaned to the nth degree and insist on antibiotics for the slightest sniffle so there body isn't used to fighting.Yes it would cost a lot of life's,but is that such a bad thing considering how overpopulated the world is and how stretched resources are? I see this as warning from nature,and nature tends to win in the end regardless of what you throw at it
Yep, just like polio, diphtheria and typhoid. It's way better to infect the whole population and let survival of the fittest prevail. Let the body naturally fight it. Vaccines don't work. Oh wait...
Quote from: themadhippy on December 09, 2020, 06:13:14 PM
The initial idea ,herd immunity,not a popular choice to some ,but the human body is designed to fight off virus's and develop its own immunity,unfortunately to many people live in a super sterile world cleaned to the nth degree and insist on antibiotics for the slightest sniffle so there body isn't used to fighting.Yes it would cost a lot of life's,but is that such a bad thing considering how overpopulated the world is and how stretched resources are? I see this as warning from nature,and nature tends to win in the end regardless of what you throw at it
Still taking info from Viz and the idiot mags then?
Herd immunity is not possible with this virus. With this virus the body's immunity is only temporary and fades to nothing after 4-6 months. Hence, it will just keep rolling around reinfecting people, destroying families, leaving people with permanent liver, kidney, heart, lung issues which overload the NHS for decades to come.
Quotepolio diphtheria and typhoid
Aren't those bacterial diseases,not viruses.last time i looked covid was a virus and the way they attack the body is different
QuoteWith this virus the body's immunity is only temporary and fades to nothing after 4-6 months
And how long is the vaccine effective?
Quote from: themadhippy on December 09, 2020, 06:13:14 PM
The initial idea ,herd immunity,not a popular choice to some ,but the human body is designed to fight off virus's and develop its own immunity,unfortunately to many people live in a super sterile world cleaned to the nth degree and insist on antibiotics for the slightest sniffle so there body isn't used to fighting.Yes it would cost a lot of life's,but is that such a bad thing considering how overpopulated the world is and how stretched resources are? I see this as warning from nature,and nature tends to win in the end regardless of what you throw at it
Hi
Just as I suspected do nothing and let people die.
Having seen the effect of losing two parents in as many weeks to this virus (not me but someone I know) as far as I'm concerned that is not a viable option.
Cheers
Paul
Quoteand let people die
one of the few certainty's in life is death why is everybody afraid of it
QuoteHaving seen the effect of losing two parents in as many week
3 grandparents and an uncle within a month, does that count?
As this thread - second one on this subject - once again gets dragged into the depths of madness ("Yes it would cost a lot of life's,but is that such a bad thing?" :o ) mayhap some Superior Being will draw it to a rapid ending like the first.
I hope.
Quoteonce again gets dragged into the depths of madness
so having a different view is madness.It seems around here if you dont agree with the general view on certain subjects your classed as a trouble maker
I am sorry, but I have to agree with Daffy - this is getting silly. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but I think the opinion should be given and then the subject dropped.
Quote from: themadhippy on December 09, 2020, 06:48:23 PM
Quotepolio diphtheria and typhoid
Aren't those bacterial diseases,not viruses.last time i looked covid was a virus and the way they attack the body is different
Polio is a virus. Dunno about the others. Point still stands. Let's give everyone polio then. It's only a few "life's". :doh:
Edit: I've reported the thread, lest idiocy be as infectious as the virus. Even I think this needs locking!
QuotePolio is a virus
so it is,and a bit more reading shows natural immunity occurs
Quote from: themadhippy on December 09, 2020, 07:54:21 PM
QuotePolio is a virus
so it is,and a bit more reading shows natural immunity occurs
Which is an irrelevant point as natural immunity does not occur with Covid.
sorry for my wrong choice of words,infection of polio can provide lifelong immunity against it,but like every virus,only to that particular strain
Quote from: themadhippy on December 09, 2020, 06:13:14 PM
The initial idea ,herd immunity,not a popular choice to some ,but the human body is designed to fight off virus's and develop its own immunity
The modus operandi of the vaccines is to trigger the body's immune system to develop that immunity without the devastating consequences of the virus itself...
Quote from: east anglian on December 09, 2020, 02:33:18 PM
Compare it with your car, would you rush out and buy the MK 1 version or wait for the MK 3
To use that analogy, in terms of vaccine development here you're looking at the Mk1 Ford Focus, following and drawing on experience from the long tried and trusted Escort, not a Model T...
Quote from: themadhippy on December 09, 2020, 03:49:49 PM
surprisingly i wont be rushing out for multiple reasons
how longs it last? "we don't know"
will it stop me passing on the virus? " we don't know"
side effects? "no,well actually erm yea maybe 1 or 2 "
do's it actually work? we dont know "
whats the procedure if i have a bad reaction that affects me for life? "tough, were immune from any come backs"
Entirely your prerogative to decline and I respect your right to make that choice, provided you show the same respect to others who chose differently.
Unfortunately the only way to answer some of your concerns is time and experience. Essentially yes, the first generation to be vaccinated are the guineapigs for their own grandchildren, but what is the alternative?
I think we've all had enough of this now so the subject is now closed.