EFE Rail have announced that they are adding a completely new N model of the JIA China Clay hopper for early release:-
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/159446-efe-rail-winter-2020-announcements-beattie-well-tank-gate-stock-class-58-cargowaggons-plus-2-new-n-gauge-projects/&tab=comments#comment-4176374 (https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/159446-efe-rail-winter-2020-announcements-beattie-well-tank-gate-stock-class-58-cargowaggons-plus-2-new-n-gauge-projects/&tab=comments#comment-4176374)
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**deep sigh**
:'(
Quote from: njee20 on November 03, 2020, 11:35:36 AM
**deep sigh**
:'(
Hi
I feel your pain. I had the same when Dapol announced the telescopic steel hoods just as I finished the first of my scratchbuilt ones.
Cheers
Paul
JIAs are not for me but a Shark long before KR Models version and also long before my NGS ones have been finished too ! LOL !!!
Bob
Quote from: PaulCheffus on November 03, 2020, 11:48:23 AM
Hi
I feel your pain. I had the same when Dapol announced the telescopic steel hoods just as I finished the first of my scratchbuilt ones.
It's always going to be the risk! Still got a source of wagons for myself, and the pride that they're mine, and I've got the Imerys font right!
Brilliant
Glad the shrink ray has been put on these wagons
will get a few of these hopefully the PBA will follow
John
I find it intriguing how they're managing to keep to sensible retail prices on EFE products. I've heard £43 mentioned for these, they're a vastly more complex wagon than the HKA, with tonnes of separately applied detail, yet they're 20% cheaper. Bachmann appear to be undercutting themselves.
Are these things still out in the wild?
And where do they run to?
Thanks,
John P
Quote from: njee20 on November 03, 2020, 02:34:01 PM
I find it intriguing how they're managing to keep to sensible retail prices on EFE products. I've heard £43 mentioned for these, they're a vastly more complex wagon than the HKA, with tonnes of separately applied detail, yet they're 20% cheaper. Bachmann appear to be undercutting themselves.
I suspect Bachmann want to portray Farish as a premium brand, sold at premium prices. So EFE Rail has to be a bit more budget priced. Certainly Bachmann will have a healthy margin still, and at least they are not fighting for production slots in the parent company's factories. I am sure that the JIAs will sell through more quickly than the HKAs.
Pricing will depend (to a point) on which factory is tooling and producing them and ultimately how many EFE are producing. I don't know how much tooling/separate parts the JIA needs but the quantity of tools and amount of assembly also have an impact on price.
A lot of the "new" factories are more flexible in terms of quantities (both overall numbers and per livery/number variants) than Kader (Farish's owner and manufacturer).
Having said which the price from eg Rails is £37.35 for the JIAs and £39 for the HKAs so not much difference.
Cheers Mike
Quote from: jpendle on November 03, 2020, 03:06:42 PM
Are these things still out in the wild?
And where do they run to?
I'm pretty sure they still run - the main flow is Cornwall to Stoke IIRC.
Cheers Mike
Something like this Cornwall to Stoke train can now be recreated in N Gauge, here using the slightly weathered JIA wagons plus one that is pristine. The video shows the train in action.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/122/231-210422200159.jpeg)
https://youtu.be/3UUbMSW73ME (https://youtu.be/3UUbMSW73ME)
They are great looking wagons. For me they've not quite got the weathering right. It's a shame as the Dapol silver bullet is similar, and Dapol nailed that. I believe I'm right in saying that Mercig was involved in the (OO gauge) master for these, but it clearly hasn't translated too well. The heavily weathered N gauge ones look to be slightly different to the OO gauge ones, with more clay deposits on the solebar, but the lettering is still too washed out. I also can't unsee the fact the font is wrong on the Imerys logo - too blocky. Such a shame, that couldn't be easier to get right, surely!?
Shalln't be replacing my 3D prints!
Pretty certain they do still run, seen here just under a year ago, with 18 on. They run in several 'legs' -Parkandilack (and probably other Cornish terminals) - Burngullow - Exeter - Bescot. Not sure where they go beyond Bescot, Stoke does seem likely. They run once a week IIRC.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51170891264_44d543ddb2_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kXNccW)Sunday Imerys (https://flic.kr/p/2kXNccW) by Rob Class66 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/89144442@N05/), on Flickr
The heavily weathered ones appear to be a little "overweathered"
Martyn Reads website has numerous examples, and if they're are that heavily weathered, the logos and data panels have usually had a clean up.
I've attacked one of mine, I'll put a photo on Facebook NGF-it's too much of a drama here!
Apart from that, a good looking wagon, lots of detail, and as others have said, the bogie retaining screws need to be slackened off
Pete @ EGLM
Yeah, there's something odd that although they adopt an all brown hue the lettering (particularly the Imerys lettering) remains legible; I'm not even sure it's cleaned like on the IWAs, just a particular type of dirt. EFE seem to have just gone for a black wash as the base, which I've never seen. I know there was a bit of a furore about the OO gauge ones when they came out.
Happy to provide decals to anyone if they want to undertake a more drastic repaint!
Hi all,
Like Nick - I have a rake of 3D Printed ones already so won't be buying the EFE Imerys ones.
I've put a stop on my White Clay Tiger project as I think these will appear from EFE in the near future.
Next project?
Get enough CO2 tanks done to form a typical Scottish rake.
Then?
Get some Chivers SSA and modernise the peco chassis to the more correct pedestal suspension versions.
Me? Busy all the time.....
Thanks
Phil H
I'm still bemused that they did the JIA ahead of the Clay Tiger. That would have afforded more liveries, a wider geographical spread and more mixed rakes, whilst JIAs work almost exclusively in block trains.
These were announced in November 2020 and were expected within the three following months. Even with the pandemic they're only two years late. Perhaps Bachmann could use the EFE factory for more of the Farish range? ::)
Steven B.
I do wonder why they took so much longer; they've been pretty good at sticking to the 3-month 'rule' on new releases. These were shown in what looked like a pretty final state at TINGS, yet they've still taken another 9 months to appear.
Two heavily weathered wagons joined the fleet today, here seen next to the slightly weathered version that arrived yesterday. The brown-black weathering coats these wagons rather heavily and uniformally and therefore I lightly brushed away the grime from the data panels. The light catches the bodyside but, rather than being matt, it is a rather dull satin finish, unlike the lovely matt brown finish on the weathered Dapol china clay wagons that followed the Mercig prototype.
I don't personally like the mustard yellow on the footplate of the slightly weathered JIA and, curiously, there is no equivalent treatment of its heavily weathered sisters. Judging by the paint left on the wheels it would appear that the heavily weathered wagons just received a single coating of brown-black paint whereas the slightly weathered ones had at least three different colours applied. Cleaning up the wheels was therefore rather easier but why then is there a premium to the price for what, in effect, is a simpler application of weathered colours?
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/122/231-220422162203.jpeg)
That mustard yellow looks bizarre! I confess I've never seen the real JIAs in a clean (nor 'moderately' weathered) state, but I can't imagine that being anything like realistic.
Interesting, the colour on mine is nowhere near as mustard as that. If anything it's slightly more on the green side, which makes it look like it's been parked under trees for a while!
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/122/672-240422201146.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=122110)
Tom.
Still looks pretty odd. Can't quite work out what they're trying to recreate there!
The colour reminds me of the residue left on the ends of coaching stock in the 1970s/80s after months of passage through the carriage washing machines. The cleaning fluid which broke down the bond between the paint and brake dust etc. caused a build up of a distinctly yellow tinge in the places the washer brushes could not reach.
I'll remember the name of it later!
There is a Bachmann EFE Spring announcement this Wednesday at 09.30am btw.
:D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiIDSbtVW5s&utm_source=TrainMail+-+Bachmann+Collectors+Club&utm_campaign=a689c36552-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_3_24_2021_9_50_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b453558f55-a689c36552-365941185 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiIDSbtVW5s&utm_source=TrainMail+-+Bachmann+Collectors+Club&utm_campaign=a689c36552-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_3_24_2021_9_50_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b453558f55-a689c36552-365941185)
Have they confirmed that's EFE Rail though? EFE was obviously Road vehicles originally, and the railway announcement is next week IIRC. Be weird to do EFE rail separately.
Quote from: njee20 on April 22, 2022, 08:39:38 AM
I'm still bemused that they did the JIA ahead of the Clay Tiger. That would have afforded more liveries, a wider geographical spread and more mixed rakes, whilst JIAs work almost exclusively in block trains.
I am fingers and toes crossed for the Tigers to finally be available in N. I haven't bought JIAs because I don't have a 66 to pull them. Slippery slope buying Sheds.... :D
Quote from: njee20 on April 25, 2022, 06:47:09 PM
Have they confirmed that's EFE Rail though? EFE was obviously Road vehicles originally, and the railway announcement is next week IIRC. Be weird to do EFE rail separately.
The announcement was EFE road vehicles only - Leyland National 'buses in 1:76 scale.
Yep, as expected. Rail next week with the other Bachmann brands. I reckon a Clay Tiger is very likely.
Quote from: Foxhound on April 27, 2022, 01:20:29 PMI am fingers and toes crossed for the Tigers to finally be available in N. I haven't bought JIAs because I don't have a 66 to pull them. Slippery slope buying Sheds.... :D
Tell me about it. I had to start thinning the collection as I seemed to have ended up with 50 of them!
Quote from: njee20 on April 27, 2022, 01:58:53 PM
Yep, as expected. Rail next week with the other Bachmann brands. I reckon a Clay Tiger is very likely.
Quote from: Foxhound on April 27, 2022, 01:20:29 PMI am fingers and toes crossed for the Tigers to finally be available in N. I haven't bought JIAs because I don't have a 66 to pull them. Slippery slope buying Sheds.... :D
Tell me about it. I had to start thinning the collection as I seemed to have ended up with 50 of them!
And to think I was lambasted for owning 18 class 33s and a similar number of 73s.
They're arrived at Lostwithiel too!
I picked the lightly weathered versions to use as a base for further weathering - the heavily weathered ones are far too dark in my opinion. The yellow colour on the one end is rather weird, though on mine its not quite as heavily applied as on some.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/122/4009-270422182723.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=122202)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/122/4009-270422182737.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=122203)
Quote from: njee20 on April 27, 2022, 01:58:53 PM
Yep, as expected. Rail next week with the other Bachmann brands. I reckon a Clay Tiger is very likely.
Quote from: Foxhound on April 27, 2022, 01:20:29 PMI am fingers and toes crossed for the Tigers to finally be available in N. I haven't bought JIAs because I don't have a 66 to pull them. Slippery slope buying Sheds.... :D
Tell me about it. I had to start thinning the collection as I seemed to have ended up with 50 of them!
:goggleeyes: That's a fair fleet!
Yep! I don't even like them that much, they're just ubiquitous. Still got 30 or so; I've not actually checked!
They're arrived at Lostwithiel too!
Hi Ensign Elliott -
Second photo - in front of your matching blue Hunslet, is that a discharge grid for the JIAs? Great idea - and where does that quayside covered conveyor go up to - any chance of a wider view?
Thanks,
TRX