Opinions on these?
Was looking to get a rake of containers for my layout and was eyeing up the lovely ones that revolution trains produce.
However I have seen the lima ones pop up for sale secondhand a few times. Now I know they will be no where near the detail of the newer ones but are they passable with a bit of work? Only ever seen them in pictures online so far
:thankyousign:
The Lima models are under scale. Go with Farish versions if you can
Not "under scale" but made to Continental N scale 1:160, and so are the containers so they won't sit together well with 1:148 containers from other brands. Fit in ok with other Continental models :)
Lima in those days (70s - 90s) had quite deep pizza cutter flanges and not always the best running wheels, but should still manage Peco code 55 pointwork ok.
Cheap and cheerful.
So underscale for a British layout ...
Gavin. Strong advice. Personally aim for https://www.c-rail-intermodal.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=18_67 (https://www.c-rail-intermodal.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=18_67) , or farish 373451 to 373459 range. I can guide where to seek like here ....https://www.hampshiremodels.co.uk/products/lima-484-n-gauge-freightliner-wagon-containers (https://www.hampshiremodels.co.uk/products/lima-484-n-gauge-freightliner-wagon-containers) Whether there are any in stock is a different matter but the level of detailling on the ribs on the container and the quality is important to me. I prefer farish but c rail and revolution trains maybe worth investigating
The Lima ones must be 30 years old, you won't find a shop with stock.
The generic Farish flats ones aren't that bad, based on an FFA, you can add buffers etc to make the FGA outers if you're so inclined, as well as reducing ride height and changing container spacing. They're out of production too, so you're looking second hand, although lots come up. Recent ones have blackened wheels etc, early ones aren't quite as well spec'ed. They've been offered with a huge variety of boxes, some of which would suit your time period.
The FSA/FTA are potentially useful too, they were introduced in the early-90s; I believe Arran is talking about adding them in their 'as delivered' black RfD livery.
Quote from: njee20 on November 02, 2020, 03:23:19 AM
The Lima ones must be 30 years old, you won't find a shop with stock.
They do however haunt the second-hand market in substantial numbers...
Here's the sole example I own:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50557701061_ff43c7f630_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2k2Br84)
lima-generic-container-wagon_01 (https://flic.kr/p/2k2Br84) by Rail Squid (https://www.flickr.com/photos/railsquid/), on FlickrLima "pizza cutter" wheelsets have been replaced with Kato ones (themselves an older set cascaded down from another wheelset replacement project), which is a slight improvement in terms of looks and running quality.
Note the chassis is a very simple diecast block with no markings. I have no idea what prototype, if any, it is modelled after. The best that can be said about it is that it is very rugged.
To my eyes it sits very high on the bogies and looks very "spindly". There also a fair bit of horizontal play and it looks very odd going round curves; here it is forming part of my "banana train" (which is the sole reason I own it :D ):
(https://live.staticflickr.com/921/43039263202_56b1cabbd7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28zetu7)
bananarama-1 (https://flic.kr/p/28zetu7) by Rail Squid (https://www.flickr.com/photos/railsquid/), on FlickrFinally a comparison with a reasonably modern Tomix container flat (1:150):
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50557827837_0163415faf_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2k2C5NR)
lima-generic-container-wagon_02 (https://flic.kr/p/2k2C5NR) by Rail Squid (https://www.flickr.com/photos/railsquid/), on FlickrIn my humblest of opinions, unless you plan modelling a rake of generic wagons rusting away at the back of some sidings, any of the other options mentioned would be vastly preferable.
Good pics, squiddy.... would love to see the entire bananarama train! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Bealman on November 02, 2020, 05:02:10 AM
Good pics, squiddy.... would love to see the entire bananarama train! :thumbsup:
Oh go on then:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/1768/42371142824_a64fd9bb0c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27ycbzf)
bananarama-3 (https://flic.kr/p/27ycbzf) by Rail Squid (https://www.flickr.com/photos/railsquid/), on FlickrOffending Lima container flat is just visible at the rear.
Cool! But no Peco banana van with red roof! ???
What's the loco? :hmmm:
Quote from: Bealman on November 02, 2020, 05:16:29 AM
What's the loco? :hmmm:
Dapol Class 86 in
Banana Network Rail livery.
But where's
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/93/255-220520090043-938791313.jpeg)
Here Is the lima model https://www.trovestar.com/generic/zoom.php?id=123457 (https://www.trovestar.com/generic/zoom.php?id=123457) better off looking at alternative leads and links provided unless find any on Ebay. Farish versions maybe better bet
That article makes no sense. There's no way the Lima flat has been produced from 2009-today, it also has nothing to do with the current "Freightliner" company. It also acknowledges its 1:160, but still suggests it's a UK prototype. Bit of an unhelpful guide.
There is an error @njee20 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1147) , not ours. I remember being brought 3 way back in 1986 so I put 1985 as the production date. Your correct in saying least 30 plus years. The farish stock are post poole era in comparison and I like those. However arran at c rail and revolution are more realistic up to date in my opinion
Cheers for the replies all!
:thankyousign:
I think I will avoid the Lima ones then especially if the scale isn't right.
Can I ask who else produces containers and the flats? so I can aid my search
Thanks again :D
Gavin worth @gavin_t (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7707) investigating https://www.c-rail-intermodal.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=18 (https://www.c-rail-intermodal.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=18) and farish plus https://www.ebay.co.uk/b/n-gauge-freightliner/bn_7024819602 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/b/n-gauge-freightliner/bn_7024819602) John @Trainfish (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=262) may shed light on containers and where he obtained. I brought mine off john dutfield though am after some myself
Quote from: gavin_t on November 02, 2020, 02:15:24 PM
Cheers for the replies all!
:thankyousign:
I think I will avoid the Lima ones then especially if the scale isn't right.
Can I ask who else produces containers and the flats? so I can aid my search
Thanks again :D
Hi
Depends on whether you want RTR or are happy to build kits.
Worsley Works do a nice etch for the flats.
http://www.worsleyworks.co.uk/N/n_gauge_wagons.htm (http://www.worsleyworks.co.uk/N/n_gauge_wagons.htm)
Pictures of my first set of five below built from the kit with a few embellishments.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/97/982-300720125642.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/97/982-300720125522.jpeg)
Cheers
Paul
Generous to call Worsley Works products kits (I think even he calls them scratchaids)! Lovely job though.
As I think has been said, the RTR options for the late 90s are:
- Farish "FFA", which are quite generic, but passable, and can be made better with relatively little effort
- Farish FIA Multifret pairs
- C=Rail FSA/FTA - which can be pre-ordered via the link shared, not yet available
- C=Rail KTA pocket wagon
- Revolution KFA
Certain flows used one type of wagon, more general intermodal services use a mix of various wagon types.
-
Thanks again chaps.
As a beginner I think ready to run is best for me now. So the C-rail ones linked above just pre-order at the moment? No pictures of the finished article?
I see they sell the containers seperatly too
I will do some research on the farish ones.
I am just looking the model a 90's intermodle rake from the 90's that could have been seen pulled from Tilbury port by a rail freight distribution class 47 etc.
Gavin
Try and politely ask @Arran (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5586) he could give more advice
Call ken at dutfield see if he can help or ebay etc may be better. I find these farish hard to source.
The only farish ones I can find so far are the 45 foot container ones which appear to be a bit too modern era then what I am after.
Might stick with my A plan of getting the revolution flats and then finding containers to suit
Gavin . Farish 373451 to 373458 are the model numbers. Ebay ? Ken ?
Quote from: gavin_t on November 01, 2020, 10:23:17 PM
Opinions on these?
Was looking to get a rake of containers for my layout and was eyeing up the lovely ones that revolution trains produce.
However I have seen the lima ones pop up for sale secondhand a few times. Now I know they will be no where near the detail of the newer ones but are they passable with a bit of work? Only ever seen them in pictures online so far
:thankyousign:
Just in case you do go the Lima route: the wagons have very plain ends and look much better with buffing gear and steps; they look pretty close together but they will go round 9" curves!
Kev
ps I had too many Lima ones to justify a change to Farish!
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/101/8908-021120201140.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=101454)
HI All
Wagons have already been mentioned in this which are close to what was about , if you can get the TPM upgrade for the farish flats it makes a difference.
The FSA FTA i am doing came into service in 91 so these will be good for you in the RFD livery , tooling will start early next year after the Chinese New year, once all the cads are finished i will do an update .
Im currently debating with myself the best way to do the couplings between the rakes as a fixed rake of 4 wagons is a pain to put on so i am leaning towards a fixed buckeye like red caboss do and these work well on HTA wagons and look good, you can also lift a wagon out the rake.
As for what containers just search go old google there are plenty to chose from.
Regards Arran
Quote from: Arran on November 03, 2020, 11:55:35 AM
As for what containers just search go old google there are plenty to chose from.
Hi
Some earlier 1970s containers would be useful, hint, hint.
Cheers
Paul
Quote from: PaulCheffus on November 03, 2020, 12:15:31 PM
Quote from: Arran on November 03, 2020, 11:55:35 AM
As for what containers just search go old google there are plenty to chose from.
Hi
Some earlier 1970s containers would be useful, hint, hint.
Cheers
Paul
Whats the hint? I am lost ;D
Thanks @Arran (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5586)
As for the containers might be a silly question but are they interchangeable? For example if I find some containers I like can I use some flats of my choice to transport them?
If anyone has any links on where to buy some it would be most appreciated. I am clearly not a very good "googler"
Hi @gavin_t (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7707) look for https://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklistdatabase/8713/graham_farish_373_451_63ft_bogie_container_wagon_with_3_x_20ft_containers_br_freightliner_/stockdetail.aspx (https://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklistdatabase/8713/graham_farish_373_451_63ft_bogie_container_wagon_with_3_x_20ft_containers_br_freightliner_/stockdetail.aspx) Farish 373451 to 373458 try this . ebay. The hint is in photo on this link
No, Paul is hinting to Arran (who is C=Rail) that there aren't enough 70s containers in his range, which in N gauge RTR comprises 40' hi-cubes, 20' tanktainers, 30' bulktainers and 40' reefers.
Really Gavin it depends how accurate you want to be. Look at photos of a rake from your era, and see the sort of boxes that appear. 90s is a bit early for me, but I think of P&O, Maersk, Bell, Cosco. Farish do a good range - look on eBay; there are always wagons and containers on there. Wagons and containers are broadly compatible, you may need to use some double sided tape to keep them in place of you mix brands, but they'll be the right size.
I know nick arran was being referred to. I had other thoughts
Plenty of containers on eBay. This fellow (https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/train-fish/m.html?) seems to have a few along with other stuff. I've heard he's a really nice chap too :thumbsup:
Quote from: crewearpley40 on November 03, 2020, 03:15:07 PM
I know nick arran was being referred to. I had other thoughts
I was just clearing up the confusion about the "hint" - it was nothing to do with pictures in this thread.
John's link looks good. Dodgy sounding eBay seller though, not sure I'd buy from him. Looks like someone who'd dress as superwoman :hmmm:
I would not touch the bidding site
At least we can all contribute in a friendly manner to help gavin
Containers are one of those things which are actually quite expensive to buy new, and cheap on eBay. I would absolutely buy John's off him if you can find ones to suit.
Exactly. If they suit then put in an offer. If they don't then don't bid. I don't think the seller's weekend habits should come into it 8)
HI All
One step at a time on the container front , but when i do get round to them you can be assured they can only be equaled .
Regards Arran
Quote from: njee20 on November 03, 2020, 03:03:35 PM
No, Paul is hinting to Arran (who is C=Rail) that there aren't enough 70s containers in his range, which in N gauge RTR comprises 40' hi-cubes, 20' tanktainers, 30' bulktainers and 40' reefers.
Really Gavin it depends how accurate you want to be. Look at photos of a rake from your era, and see the sort of boxes that appear. 90s is a bit early for me, but I think of P&O, Maersk, Bell, Cosco. Farish do a good range - look on eBay; there are always wagons and containers on there. Wagons and containers are broadly compatible, you may need to use some double sided tape to keep them in place of you mix brands, but they'll be the right size.
Some great info there thanks @njee20 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1147)
I will upload some of the photos of the rakes I have seen photos of when I get a chance.
From a nostalgic point of view P&O, Maersk containers would be great as I used to have a OO railfrieght distribution class 47 and a couple of P&O, Maersk container wagons as a kid. Was a present from my grand parents and was my pride and joy :D
Hopefully it still resides in my parents loft somewhere :-\
So nostalgic interest and fits the era too :)
Other container carriers / shipping companies here gavin : https://www.wish.com/product/5d89806816694345d5e0fa1f?from_ad=goog_shopping&_display_country_code=GB&_force_currency_code=GBP&pid=googleadwords_int&c=%7BcampaignId%7D&ad_cid=5d89806816694345d5e0fa1f&ad_cc=GB&ad_curr=GBP&ad_price=15.00&campaign_id=8163884845&exclude_install=true&gclid=CjwKCAiAv4n9BRA9EiwA30WNDwNb9VeG4DpUiYlt_uUnZ4ZsUNC_1_kLuuMe80s4gWkJ3F0FFeo0EhoCtDIQAvD_BwE&hide_login_modal=true&share=mobileweb (https://www.wish.com/product/5d89806816694345d5e0fa1f?from_ad=goog_shopping&_display_country_code=GB&_force_currency_code=GBP&pid=googleadwords_int&c=%7BcampaignId%7D&ad_cid=5d89806816694345d5e0fa1f&ad_cc=GB&ad_curr=GBP&ad_price=15.00&campaign_id=8163884845&exclude_install=true&gclid=CjwKCAiAv4n9BRA9EiwA30WNDwNb9VeG4DpUiYlt_uUnZ4ZsUNC_1_kLuuMe80s4gWkJ3F0FFeo0EhoCtDIQAvD_BwE&hide_login_modal=true&share=mobileweb)
Quote from: Trainfish on November 03, 2020, 03:55:49 PM
Plenty of containers on eBay. This fellow (https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/train-fish/m.html?) seems to have a few along with other stuff. I've heard he's a really nice chap too :thumbsup:
:goggleeyes: why could I not see that when I searched ebay! I just got a load of cardboard containers kits...
thanks @Trainfish (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=262) I will complete my research and get bidding! Funnily enough I wanted some BR blue coaches as well to mix in with my NSE stock :)
I have no idea why you couldn't find them @gavin_t (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7707) but at least you can see them now. I have listed all the containers as used but many of them are brand new, just not packaged. The pictures are a good enough resolution to see what's new and what isn't I think. The coaches listed have hardly been used either. Good luck with bidding :thumbsup:
Quote from: crewearpley40 on November 04, 2020, 03:56:49 PM
Other container carriers / shipping companies here gavin : https://www.wish.com/product/5d89806816694345d5e0fa1f?from_ad=goog_shopping&_display_country_code=GB&_force_currency_code=GBP&pid=googleadwords_int&c=%7BcampaignId%7D&ad_cid=5d89806816694345d5e0fa1f&ad_cc=GB&ad_curr=GBP&ad_price=15.00&campaign_id=8163884845&exclude_install=true&gclid=CjwKCAiAv4n9BRA9EiwA30WNDwNb9VeG4DpUiYlt_uUnZ4ZsUNC_1_kLuuMe80s4gWkJ3F0FFeo0EhoCtDIQAvD_BwE&hide_login_modal=true&share=mobileweb (https://www.wish.com/product/5d89806816694345d5e0fa1f?from_ad=goog_shopping&_display_country_code=GB&_force_currency_code=GBP&pid=googleadwords_int&c=%7BcampaignId%7D&ad_cid=5d89806816694345d5e0fa1f&ad_cc=GB&ad_curr=GBP&ad_price=15.00&campaign_id=8163884845&exclude_install=true&gclid=CjwKCAiAv4n9BRA9EiwA30WNDwNb9VeG4DpUiYlt_uUnZ4ZsUNC_1_kLuuMe80s4gWkJ3F0FFeo0EhoCtDIQAvD_BwE&hide_login_modal=true&share=mobileweb)
Worth saying that you don't want to buy any of those. Whilst they say 1:150 they're not, they're 1:160, and that's different enough that they'll look wrong next to British N gauge stuff. They're also all contemporary, and may not suit your period, if you're bothered about that! For example I think China Shipping is fairly recent.
Have a look on Flickr - just search Freightliner and a year of your choice, plenty of good photos. These are from searching Freightliner 1994:
Loads of Hapag-Lloyd (https://flic.kr/p/FbUE2y), looks like some Mitsui OSK at the back
Maersk, Hanjin and Genstar (https://flic.kr/p/nzFLiB) all visible here, etc.
Depends how accurate you want to be really, I'm a bit of a container geek.
Thanks was only pointing out the containers in the photo to suit the era not suggesting gavin goes that route. Good links that idid not realise. Yes . Flickr can be a wealth of info
What's interesting about crewearpley40's link is how much the shipping industry has changed since the release of these containers as models.
Hanjin went bust before the release of the models.
China Shipping, OOCL, and COSCO, are now the same group (COSCO), and are changing to those colours.
'K' line, Hyundai, Hapag Lloyd and Yang Ming are now trading as THE Alliance and ONE consortium.
Maersk and MSC are trading independently, but run a number of joint services.
Martyn
Trying to remember what ran to Tilbury and Northfleet Hope 25 years ago........
Hamburg Sud (now part of Maersk)
Can't remember if Safmarine were still running there, or had been taken over by Maersk and moved much to Felixstowe.
'Containerships' had a service to/from North Europe and the Baltic.
I think OCL (not OOCL) had gone by then (Maersk again) and ACT.
I used to deal with some of these ships on a daily basis, but as things slowly changed, I didn't realise services started and finished, and now I can't now remember all of them......
There were, of course, a percentage of 'hired' containers not owned directly by the lines that were in use.
Later thoughts;
P+OCL; later P+O/Nedlloyd later still taken over by Maersk
Hapag Lloyd
DAL (Deutsche Afrika Linie) same run as Safmarine?
CSAV (later a major shareholder in Hapag Lloyd)
Nedlloyd before merging with P+O.
Borchard
Martyn
Thanks martyn. Signs of the times. I model 70s to 90s and the changes. Seems to be a distant memory seeing grey freightliner boxes to what operates today. Hope my link provides a pleasant discussion
@crewearpley40 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3894);
I used to be at sea in the Merchant Navy, and within my employer's group, I carried containers for Shaw Savill and PSNC; also on one run, Bank Line. The group was a shareholder in OCL, though I didn't sail on the Bay boats.
Later after being taken over by CY Tung group, it included Manchester Liners (remember the Triang Hornby model?), Dart Line, OOCL, CP (Joint service with them), CMB, and SLCS (St Laurence co-ordinated service). I don't model the 70s, but Dart and CP did get done by Farish. I've one of each for old times sake.
That's without the hired in boxes; and I couldn't get away from containers when home on leave, as my local port is Harwich Parkeston Quay, which at the time handled all sorts of lines via the Freightliner services; and over the river is Felixstowe......
I later moved into port management, and that's when I got closely involved with Felixstowe and to a lesser extent traffic to and from the Thames and Medway.
Hence my own interest in containers, even though they are after my modelling period.
Martyn
Thanks martyn. I remember all of the above. I have CP, DART line, OOCL , Freightliner old on my layout plus zanussi, hanjin, Maersk and thanks for memories I used to see on the WCML. Chris
Quote from: crewearpley40 on November 04, 2020, 05:26:26 PM
Thanks was only pointing out the containers in the photo to suit the era not suggesting gavin goes that route. Good links that idid not realise. Yes . Flickr can be a wealth of info
Yes, but as I said I'm not sure they are appropriate for Gavin's era, they're more 2015ish.
Quote from: martyn on November 04, 2020, 05:26:49 PM
What's interesting about crewearpley40's link is how much the shipping industry has changed since the release of these containers as models.
Hanjin went bust before the release of the models.
China Shipping, OOCL, and COSCO, are now the same group (COSCO), and are changing to those colours.
'K' line, Hyundai, Hapag Lloyd and Yang Ming are now trading as THE Alliance and ONE consortium.
Maersk and MSC are trading independently, but run a number of joint services.
Martyn
THE alliance is just that though, an alliance. The companies within still trade indeopently. ONE was the merger of NYK, Mitsui OSK and K Line, which was a corporate merger, that's a different thing. As you say Maersk and MSC also have a cooperative relationship, and IIRC there's another 'alliance' between Evergreen, CMA CGM and COSCO.
Hamburg Sud is still preserved as a brand name too IIRC, they're just a wholly owned part of Maersk.
I'd also say it takes a really long time for defunct brands to disappear! Repainting containers is not exactly high on the agenda for shipping companies! Maersk have somewhere in the region of 10 million containers too. Madness!
Quote from: martyn on November 04, 2020, 06:09:59 PM
.................Hence my own interest in containers, even though they are after my modelling period.
Martyn
Not sure where my fascination with containers comes from but I still have quite a few including those in the out of focus video below and lots lots more. I do also use the odd one which isn't 1:148 as I seem to remember some being slightly different in 1:1 too:
Yes they vary in height quite a lot, which is nice to try and recreate. The issue I have with 1:160 ones is the width, you get extra wagon hanging out of the sides!
I've got over 100 containers in my "spares" box, as well as 4 reasonable rakes, it's certainly an affliction!
did PM Gavin and offer him some 20' and 40' Farish containers from the stash, but never heard anything back.
Quote from: class37025 on November 05, 2020, 12:58:55 PM
did PM Gavin and offer him some 20' and 40' Farish containers from the stash, but never heard anything back.
Alan. He maybe at work ( NHS) I think he maybe along later . Pretty kind of you to offer some containers. I'm sure like me we are after the wagons as well.
it was on the 3rd, and he has posted since, though I think he may have said something about card containers, so perhaps he's sorted.
pity, as I might have been able to help with his requirement for blue/grey carriages as well, as long as he didn't want mk.2s.
@class37025 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=311) thanks. I haven't read it yet as for some reason it doesn't open on the works computer. NHS budgets and all that....
I will have a look this evening and get back to you :D
In the meantime these ripple lane workings from my era show what I am trying to achieve
(https://i.ibb.co/Jy7ZzK8/Screenshot-20201105-134104.png) (https://ibb.co/vQP9JHf)
(https://i.ibb.co/NyBhv0y/Screenshot-20201105-134147.png) (https://ibb.co/yQjT9zQ)
Also I still see these tank style containers on the modern London gateway trains today. Any idea if anything like that is available in N. As shown in this 90s ripple lane shot.
(https://i.ibb.co/ScSnCFX/Screenshot-20201105-134126.png) (https://ibb.co/PMkhHqZ)
Any how lunch is over so back to work :doh:
I was just thinking of those rectangular steel ? Frames carrying container tanks. Over to ..... @njee20 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1147) Nick any ideas ?
Tanktainers - Revolution and C-Rail did 4 variants, Revolution are out of stock, but C-Rail still have Nichicon (https://www.c-rail-intermodal.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=18_62&product_id=241), can't tell you when they're prototypical for though.
C-Rail do kits too, or N Scale Notes who I think has posted on this thread does 3D prints.
Nick. I was thinking https://realtrackmodels.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=95 (https://realtrackmodels.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=95) do these look ok ? These are pricey https://www.dckits-devideos.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=177_236_238 (https://www.dckits-devideos.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=177_236_238)
Those are Revolution tanktainers as can be seen on the video below from about 1 minute in:
EDIT: A better view of them here
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/101/262-051120143957-101544317.jpeg)
Yep, that's the ones! I didn't think to check Realtrack.
At least some early containers were 8' high; later standard 8' 6"; later still 'high cube' 9' 6". The 8' high boxes included the 'blown' reefer boxes as used by OCL (and ACT?) for NZ and Australian meat, and for the South African fruit trade; mostly through Tilbury/Northfleet (or Southampton).
Standard lengths are 20' or 40' long, but now include other lengths, usually for specific trades or companies.
I think the Ford containers as seen at Dagenham were strictly non-ISO at 30' long (two per container flat).
Google ISO standard containers, loads of info.
Manchester liners, and possibly others, also had open topped 'half heights', 20' long but only 4'or 4' 3" high; these were for very dense loads such as refined metals or metal ores.
There have been alliances and joint services, in number of forms, since the early days of 'deep sea' containers.
As an aside, the blue Cunard container offered as a download on the N Gauge society webpage, is not, i think, correct, at least according to ex Cunard staff; they were red, and Colin will be altering them at some stage.
martyn
I've recommended this site before, as there is a heck of a lot of 'real railway' and operating procedures on it, but here is another take on containers, especially the origin and some early liveries;
http://www.igg.org.uk/gansg/5-unit/unitload3.htm (http://www.igg.org.uk/gansg/5-unit/unitload3.htm)
Martyn
Helpful. Martyn . Interesting to hear of the seafarers perspective. Maybe too early for gavin. But I noticed https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brcontainer and https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brfreightliner Nostalgia here https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brfreightlinercontainer
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But allied to it
Harwich Parkeston Quay was developed as the first 'purpose built' ship container Berth, in the UK, but was for short sea trade across the North Sea.
Across the river, and visible from it, Felixstowe was developed as the first Deep Sea container terminal, and this lead to a little friendly rivalry when 'firsts' were being claimed.
Both are now owned by Hutchinson, who, I think, also own one of the current ROSCOs.
Prior to ISO containers being handled, Parkeston used to load BR early design containers for shipping on the Hook of Holland service. Not sure if they were A or B type, but I've photos somewhere.
@crewearpley40 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3894)
Thanks for the links:the third one includes a photo of Shaw Savill containers, which I'd never seen in the UK. On the same wagon is a Bank line box: the ship I was on which carried Shaw Savill boxes was on a joint service with Bank line between the West Indies, US Gulf, Australia and New Zealand. I didn't know the boxes actually got to the UK.
Martyn
Maybe something for us all to consider. Appreciate your input perspectives @martyn (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=447) . I never knew all this until I saw the links
@Trainfish (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=262) great video clip, thanks for sharing. That container rake looks great. Also love the Ford one :heart2: another essex favorite.
@martyn (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=447) thanks for the link above. Confirmed what I wanted to know about the date of introduction of the 45ft containers too.
Thanks @gavin_t (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7707) . The Ford van rake is now complete but I still need more Ford containers so if you ever see any............................
Mainly 20, 30 and 40ft containers see https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/45ft-containers-on-rail.196471/ (https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/45ft-containers-on-rail.196471/) I cannot help with shipping perspectives, I'm.pretty sure the period you model focusses on 20 30 and 40ft gavin. John @Trainfish (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=262) anything on here of use ? https://www.goodwoodscenics.co.uk/card-containers (https://www.goodwoodscenics.co.uk/card-containers) ?
Also https://scalescenes.com/product/t031-shipping-containers/ has a range
I'd consider using card containers for a backscene or something, but not on a train, they don't compare well to plastic ones.
Quote from: njee20 on November 05, 2020, 08:51:17 PM
I'd consider using card containers for a backscene or something, but not on a train, they don't compare well to plastic ones.
that was what I was thinking Sesondly was looking at liveries and thinking what was / is available
Yes quite right from what I have seen. I think the only anomaly was the Ford containers that were an in between size? Anyway that another project entirely ;D
Although if I struggle with getting items I will just model on of the empty "lockdown" trains that I saw earlier this year ;D
when there was nothing to bring in from the port! A few months earlier they were full rakes!
Quote from: njee20 on November 05, 2020, 08:51:17 PM
I'd consider using card containers for a backscene or something, but not on a train, they don't compare well to plastic ones.
I considered that once but then realised I had enough plastic containers anyway if I decided on a container backscene. I'm really not a fan of card containers or buildings etc. I did do some card picnic tables but I think that they are the biggest card constructions I have.
@gavin_t (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7707)
Ford containers were either 30', I think, or may have been 27'. Two could be carried on a 60 container flat.
The basic length for ISO container length was initially multiples of 10 feet, but for some reason, an early Freightliner design was 27 feet. I don't know which dimension Ford used.
Martyn
Possibly 30ft. Farish did the 3605 see here https://www.hattons.co.uk/137193/graham_farish_3605farish_ln_05_freightliner_bogie_flats_with_cp_ships_merzario_containers_pre_owned_like_new/stockdetail.aspx (https://www.hattons.co.uk/137193/graham_farish_3605farish_ln_05_freightliner_bogie_flats_with_cp_ships_merzario_containers_pre_owned_like_new/stockdetail.aspx) with green CP and OOCL rail