I see on their website after listing their new 8F as due for arrival in August has now been pushed back to October.
Just as we thought our years of waiting was over they pulled the rug.
NGM
That's surprising. I checked with my local model shop only this week and he called Bachmann who told him they were still on for the end of August. I would hope they know what inventory is in each container, but maybe they have just opened it to find they are not there!
Hope it's not one of the many the fall overboard each year from the overloaded container ships they use.
the Collectors Club edition (LMS 8F lined Crimson) is promised for August!
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=50362.msg659183#msg659183 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=50362.msg659183#msg659183)
Perhaps they are trying to bump the collectors club model sales or membership 8) some will pay anything to be first with a new model ;)
I'm sure it's Dapol's fault.
Has anyone heard any more about this? I've not seen any delays mentioned anywhere else (or seen it mentioned in different retailers) and it was listed as August in Bachmann's own presentation a couple of days ago.
October would be odd if the consignment was lost as that's not enough time to allocate factory slots and re-produce a model, QC it, ship it and distribute, assuming they found out immediately. Even air freighting that would be tight...
The other option would be the shipment never made the shipping container for some reason? A late found QC issue?
The official line from Bachmann seems to have the Collectors Club version due this month and the rest 'within 3 months'. That doesn't suggest a QC issue.
My wallet is breathing a little easier as, let's face it, it's rare to be presented with a loco you want with delivery being in 3 weeks time (class 17) from announcement.
Quote from: Newportnobby on August 07, 2020, 01:50:25 PM
The official line from Bachmann seems to have the Collectors Club version due this month and the rest 'within 3 months'. That doesn't suggest a QC issue.
My wallet is breathing a little easier as, let's face it, it's rare to be presented with a loco you want with delivery being in 3 weeks time (class 17) from announcement.
Interesting, but surprising. Did you get an email from the Collectors' club about that? I also note that the next batch of 4f and N classes has gone from November to 'awaiting'. Hmmm.
After some deliberation I bought an older-style Farish 8F on eBay during lockdown. I think I made the right decision as it's an excellent runner. I'll certainly purchase one of the new versions at some point.
Quote from: Capri_sam on August 07, 2020, 01:57:50 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on August 07, 2020, 01:50:25 PM
The official line from Bachmann seems to have the Collectors Club version due this month and the rest 'within 3 months'. That doesn't suggest a QC issue.
My wallet is breathing a little easier as, let's face it, it's rare to be presented with a loco you want with delivery being in 3 weeks time (class 17) from announcement.
Interesting, but surprising. Did you get an email from the Collectors' club about that? I also note that the next batch of 4f and N classes has gone from November to 'awaiting'. Hmmm.
@Capri_sam (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6236) I was only going by this from yesterday...........
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=50362.msg659141#msg659141 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=50362.msg659141#msg659141)
Seems the waiting is over. Just been informed mine is in stock and will hopefully be posted soon.
I hope it's as good as the reviews.....
Dave
Quote from: Southerngooner on November 19, 2020, 02:57:54 PM
Seems the waiting is over. Just been informed mine is in stock and will hopefully be posted soon.
I hope it's as good as the reviews.....
Dave
From whom, if you don't mind me asking?
From groups.io
Quoteheads up al those who have be waiting forever
they are into stock tomorrow Thursday and dispatching immediately.
enjoy
Maurice
Osborns Models Ltd
:veryangry:
I pre-ordered with R o S !
:'(
Should've supported your local model store! :D
Quote from: RailGooner on November 19, 2020, 03:23:46 PM
Should've supported your local model store! :D
If I did that I'd never get anything. I also reckon RoS are closer to me than Osborne's. I do tend to spread my business around mind.
Quote from: emjaybee on November 19, 2020, 03:35:38 PM
Quote from: RailGooner on November 19, 2020, 03:23:46 PM
Should've supported your local model store! :D
If I did that I'd never get anything. I also reckon RoS are closer to me than Osborne's. I do tend to spread my business around mind.
Bideford isn't that far from Abingdon and easier parking. ;)
Mine was ordered with John Dutfield....
Dave
Rails' email this morning said they were expecting the 8F, the Mk2 BSO & DBSO and some of the Mk1 coach twin packs imminently.
Steven B.
Quote from: RailGooner on November 19, 2020, 03:37:18 PM
Quote from: emjaybee on November 19, 2020, 03:35:38 PM
Quote from: RailGooner on November 19, 2020, 03:23:46 PM
Should've supported your local model store! :D
If I did that I'd never get anything. I also reckon RoS are closer to me than Osborne's. I do tend to spread my business around mind.
Bideford isn't that far from Abingdon and easier parking. ;)
I'm in Hook Norton though.
Quote from: Southerngooner on November 19, 2020, 02:57:54 PM
I hope it's as good as the reviews.....
I haven't seen any reviews yet ?
Railway Modeller this month, Hornby last month maybe (saw the latter on the net...)
I must get out more :)
@emjaybee (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5604)
Rails mailed me yesterday to say 3 versions will be in with them this week, so you can expect it by middle next week, methinks.
LMS
LNER
Early crest
Woo-hoo! again.
(See other thread for more details)
:D
Quote from: emjaybee on November 19, 2020, 03:54:02 PM
Quote from: RailGooner on November 19, 2020, 03:37:18 PM
Quote from: emjaybee on November 19, 2020, 03:35:38 PM
Quote from: RailGooner on November 19, 2020, 03:23:46 PM
Should've supported your local model store! :D
If I did that I'd never get anything. I also reckon RoS are closer to me than Osborne's. I do tend to spread my business around mind.
Bideford isn't that far from Abingdon and easier parking. ;)
I'm in Hook Norton though.
And Hook Norton is just up the road from Abingdon. :D
Quote from: RailGooner on November 19, 2020, 06:32:20 PM
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Quote from: RailGooner on November 19, 2020, 03:37:18 PM
Quote from: emjaybee on November 19, 2020, 03:35:38 PM
Quote from: RailGooner on November 19, 2020, 03:23:46 PM
Should've supported your local model store! :D
If I did that I'd never get anything. I also reckon RoS are closer to me than Osborne's. I do tend to spread my business around mind.
Bideford isn't that far from Abingdon and easier parking. ;)
I'm in Hook Norton though.
And Hook Norton is just up the road from Abingdon. :D
Osborns left Abingdon ten years ago now in Bideford near Barnstaple.
Quote from: Snowwolflair on November 19, 2020, 06:36:00 PM
Quote from: RailGooner on November 19, 2020, 06:32:20 PM
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Quote from: RailGooner on November 19, 2020, 03:37:18 PM
Quote from: emjaybee on November 19, 2020, 03:35:38 PM
Quote from: RailGooner on November 19, 2020, 03:23:46 PM
Should've supported your local model store! :D
If I did that I'd never get anything. I also reckon RoS are closer to me than Osborne's. I do tend to spread my business around mind.
Bideford isn't that far from Abingdon and easier parking. ;)
I'm in Hook Norton though.
And Hook Norton is just up the road from Abingdon. :D
Osborns left Abingdon ten years ago now in Bideford near Barnstaple.
Oh, that's why he was on about Abingdon!
Looks like you're a bit out of touch Mark.
;D
Quote from: emjaybee on November 19, 2020, 07:13:02 PM
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Quote from: RailGooner on November 19, 2020, 03:37:18 PM
Quote from: emjaybee on November 19, 2020, 03:35:38 PM
Quote from: RailGooner on November 19, 2020, 03:23:46 PM
Should've supported your local model store! :D
If I did that I'd never get anything. I also reckon RoS are closer to me than Osborne's. I do tend to spread my business around mind.
Bideford isn't that far from Abingdon and easier parking. ;)
I'm in Hook Norton though.
And Hook Norton is just up the road from Abingdon. :D
Osborns left Abingdon ten years ago now in Bideford near Barnstaple.
Oh, that's why he was on about Abingdon!
Looks like you're a bit out of touch Mark.
;D
My back very bad today Michael and by now I've had a considerable amount of prescription painkillers, so I
think I'm more witty than I
am. :smiley-laughing: Spare a thought for my poor Claire - she's gotta put up with this all evening. :laugh3:
@RailGooner (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5427) sorry to hear your backs bad Mark. I have bad days with my back, but not on a scale like yours, so you have my sympathy.
Don't worry, we've all thought you thought you were wittier than you are.
:D
Just kiddin'.
Take it easy bloke.
:beers:
If you don't want to wait for the usual suppliers to get their stock from Bachmann the new 8F is available from selected eBay sellers at close to normal prices.
This may give an insight to the problems faced by UK importers trying to get goods from China at present;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54989299 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54989299)
Note that all three major UK container ports are affected to a degree, and its not just a UK problem.
Note also the increase in shipping costs; not so long ago, a 40' box rate was under $1000!
Martyn
Osborns left Abingdon ten years ago now in Bideford near Barnstaple.
and the rest. Seems like a lifetime now
Couldn't folk make do with a nice WD Austerity instead? The shops seem overrun with unsold examples of those.
i have not read all these posts but if any are impling that the 8F is not yet in the shops they are incorrect. The non sound versions arrived with us yesterday and the sound version is expected within 14 days.
Just ordered one from Osborns
NGM
All 3 are showing as in stock at Arcadia Rail this morning. If you are local to Shaw and want one quickly he is doing click and collect as well as mail order.
N gauge Modeller said
Just ordered one from Osborns
but we have had to refund with profuse apologies as we have sold out of this line number and there are no more available at bachmann so if anyone is looking to purchase a late crest one do not delay. I read above that Arcadia has stocks.
Great :censored:
Quote from: osborns on November 20, 2020, 03:26:55 PM
N gauge Modeller said
Just ordered one from Osborns
but we have had to refund with profuse apologies as we have sold out of this line number and there are no more available at bachmann so if anyone is looking to purchase a late crest one do not delay. I read above that Arcadia has stocks.
I thought Late Crest ones weren't going to be available for another two weeks? Or do you mean you have pre-sold your allocation?
very sorry it is the early crest 372-162 that is o.o.s. with us.
a typo or more likely a rushed error.
My early crest version arrived this morning from John Dutfield and has now been given a full running in. Seems to run well, looks good too. Just need to weather and detail it a bit and it'll be ready for whenever James Street goes out again, or when I get Brickmakers Lane up and running. Both are looking unlikely until at least mid-2020!
Dave
Is/was a late crest version available without sound?
Quote from: Southerngooner on November 21, 2020, 01:06:46 PM
My early crest version arrived this morning from John Dutfield and has now been given a full running in. Seems to run well, looks good too. Just need to weather and detail it a bit and it'll be ready for whenever James Street goes out again, or when I get Brickmakers Lane up and running. Both are looking unlikely until at least mid-2020!
Dave
Hi
Are we rerunning the current year then 😃
I really hope not.
Cheers
Paul
Errrr, yes maybe 2021! Let's hope it's not 2022.....
Dave
Quote from: Hightower on November 21, 2020, 01:17:23 PM
Is/was a late crest version available without sound?
Not as far as I know. I'm getting an early crest one and will get someone to re-crest it for me into late crest.
Is the sound one out yet or is it delayed, not heard anything from my model shop.
Quote from: lil chris on November 21, 2020, 05:21:38 PM
Is the sound one out yet or is it delayed, not heard anything from my model shop.
Apparently it will be released in about two weeks.
Regards
Roy
For those of you that have actually had their 8F delivered, what dealer did you use as some of the big names are still awaiting stock. Rails etc
No posts from dealers claiming stock when they don't actually have any please.
Thanks
NGM
To be fair, the big retailers usually get their stock at the same time as the smaller ones, but (i suspect due to the sheer amount of stock from different manufacturers they get delivered) they take a while longer to unbox and get it on the system. It seems that Osborns in particular are always the first to list as 'in stock', and Rails the last.
Hope that's the case as just about everyone that had stock, quickly sold out with no more available to order from Farish (Bet they wish they made are larger batch now) and just a little concerned that whilst waiting for Rails I am going to miss out.
NGM
Mine came from John Dutfield in Chelmsford. They give 10% discount for NGS members so come close to Rails etc.
Dave
I believe Plus Daughters have some in stock too.
Bure valley models are showing good stock levels of all 3 liveries
Thanks
Just ordered one from Bure Valley Models hope they still have them when my order gets notified to them.
NGM
Quote from: N_GaugeModeller on November 23, 2020, 08:12:27 AM
For those of you that have actually had their 8F delivered, what dealer did you use as some of the big names are still awaiting stock. Rails etc
No posts from dealers claiming stock when they don't actually have any please.
Thanks
NGM
As per my post last week, Arcadia Rail in Shaw are showing all 3 in stock, and to quote the homepage of Tim's website;
"We will only advertise stocked items on our internet site and endeavor to update it daily. "
No affiliation, just a very satisfied customer.
I rang Rails ½ an hour ago but the lass was of no help and seemed confused. She confirmed I have a pre order on but then said according to the Bachmann website they're due Nov/Dec. When I pointed out Rails mailed me last week to say they were due in last week all she could say is that they hadn't been booked in yet. Duh :doh: ::)
Just had an email from BVM to say my 8F is now in the post, so hopefully it will be here in a couple of days.
NGM
Quote from: N_GaugeModeller on November 23, 2020, 02:49:47 PM
Just had an email from BVM to say my 8F is now in the post, so hopefully it will be here in a couple of days.
NGM
Might be time to change the title of this thread.
Quote from: Newportnobby on November 23, 2020, 12:22:25 PM
I rang Rails ½ an hour ago but the lass was of no help and seemed confused. She confirmed I have a pre order on but then said according to the Bachmann website they're due Nov/Dec. When I pointed out Rails mailed me last week to say they were due in last week all she could say is that they hadn't been booked in yet. Duh :doh: ::)
And that same email (I think) also said the Mk2 DBSOs and the WH liveried MK1s were due in too, I guess that's why there has been no progress on my order for those....
Quote from: woodbury22uk on November 24, 2020, 11:13:41 AM
Quote from: N_GaugeModeller on November 23, 2020, 02:49:47 PM
Just had an email from BVM to say my 8F is now in the post, so hopefully it will be here in a couple of days.
NGM
Might be time to change the title of this thread.
:no: There's still some of wondering why the delay from Rails, Mike.
However, when folks do get theirs I hope they post reviews in the relevant BachFar steam section.
That is strange about Rails. I've just rechecked their site and there is still no sign of it listed. Other smaller outlets are doing a brisk trade from what I can see.
Rails just posted on Instagram that the 8F is in stock for the 3 non sound versions, though going on their website, 2 show as 'on order' and one is still saying 'forthcoming release'.
Quote from: honestjudge on November 24, 2020, 01:53:26 PM
That is strange about Rails. I've just rechecked their site and there is still no sign of it listed. Other smaller outlets are doing a brisk trade from what I can see.
See 2nd and 3rd lines down...........
https://railsofsheffield.com/manufacturer-graham-farish-JJJM7?Personalise=false&searchTerm=&Category=Steam+Locos%2FEngines&SortMethod=ProductCodeAscending&PageSize=24&page=1
Quote from: JonMann on November 24, 2020, 03:44:17 PM
Rails just posted on Instagram that the 8F is in stock for the 3 non sound versions, though going on their website, 2 show as 'on order' and one is still saying 'forthcoming release'.
I'd like to think they have them, but they do seem all over the place at the moment.
Quote from: JonMann on November 24, 2020, 03:44:17 PM
Rails just posted on Instagram that the 8F is in stock for the 3 non sound versions, though going on their website, 2 show as 'on order' and one is still saying 'forthcoming release'.
I'd like to think they have them, but they do seem all over the place at the moment.
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I'm not too worried as I have the sound version on order and knew I was going to be waiting a bit longer.
Just had a mail from Rails timed at 16.04 today to say the 3 non sound versions are now in stock :claphappy:
Quote from: Newportnobby on November 24, 2020, 04:11:34 PM
Just had a mail from Rails timed at 16.04 today to say the 3 non sound versions are now in stock :claphappy:
Better late than never I suppose :hmmm:
Does it really matter? We've waited years, what's another couple of days?
For what it's worth, Rails got some of the Mk2F coaches before many of the smaller shops. I'm guessing it depends on in which order Farish send models out to the shops.
Steven B.
Abracadabra!
Mine arrived from Bure Valley Models this morning
A very impressive model, running around my test track as I type.
NGM
I have just had confirmation that Rails have taken payment for the 8F and another model :bounce:
Progress
Quote from: Steven B on November 24, 2020, 04:50:13 PM
Does it really matter? We've waited years, what's another couple of days?
Yes. Because in these grim days we need something to froth about, and hopefully there'll be some pics posted in the Review section and everyone saying how good it is :)
I'm just waiting that mail from Rails to say "Your order has been despatched" but unless it happens today chances are I won't see it before next week
Yes, particularly keen to see a haulage test, given mine is going to be in a box for at least a year without anywhere to run!
We need to change the title yet again. Perhaps I can suggest it is changed to "Farish 8F - only the sound version delayed" :D
my personal crimson sound version one is on its way to me right now.
Quote from: Delboy on November 25, 2020, 02:47:59 PM
We need to change the title yet again. Perhaps I can suggest it is changed to "Farish 8F - only the sound version delayed" :D
Farish 8F "sounds" close
In terms of haulage I could only test my 8F on an oval of setrack with 12" radius curves and a short straight on both sides. I ramped it up at one end by putting the two halves of the 8F box under the board, so not scientific at all! It pulled a complete set of Mk1 coaches and ended up with the last just an inch from the front buffer beam. It did slow a bit on the way up, but it never slipped. I compared it to my N which I know will haul at least 30 wagons up a 1:100 and this slowed down a bit less, so I think they will probably pull at least 30 wagons which is all I need at home or on James Street.
It was a very smooth runner though. I'll be interested to see how others fare, and whether there are the usual rogue locos out there. Which traction tyres the 8F should pull well......
Dave
I wonder how adaptable the chassis will be for other 2-8-0 and similar kits and 3D prints.
Quote from: osborns on November 25, 2020, 02:53:12 PM
my personal crimson sound version one is on its way to me right now.
Is this from the Collector's Club as I also have ordered one from there? I have rang up on two separate occasions in the last 2 weeks and left 2 phone numbers but no one has been in touch.
I've just received mine, and some *very* interesting design choices are apparent.
Wiper pickups on the loco have made a return, all 8 drivers having prominent (well, when inverted) small finger wipers - this is extremely interesting, as the loco appears to still have phosphor axle bearings, of a new smaller design, but looks to be no longer be split chassis. I think designers are starting to realise that axle pickup isn't hugely reliable and a pain to maintain/clean. Tender has pinpoints on outer axles, the central looks to not have power pickup, so 10 wheel pickup is the reality (12 have pickups, but 2 of the drivers have tyres, so while they have the wipers, they won't contribute much).
Tender has included speaker (not much interest to me) and nice low coal load, which looks to be metal and push-outable from underside.
Detail bits include the snowplough, cab doors, front steps, coupling hooks, and nicely, front covers for the insides of the fronts of the cylinders - these are off by default for tight curve running clearance, but a nice inclusion for those with looser curves.
Overall very interesting - not yet had chance to run!
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Dr Al on November 25, 2020, 03:53:47 PM
I've just received mine, and some *very* interesting design choices are apparent.
Wiper pickups on the loco have made a return, all 8 drivers having prominent (well, when inverted) small finger wipers - this is extremely interesting, as the loco appears to still have phosphor axle bearings, of a new smaller design, but looks to be no longer be split chassis. I think designers are starting to realise that axle pickup isn't hugely reliable and a pain to maintain/clean. Tender has pinpoints on outer axles, the central looks to not have power pickup, so 10 wheel pickup is the reality (12 have pickups, but 2 of the drivers have tyres, so while they have the wipers, they won't contribute much).
Tender has included speaker (not much interest to me) and nice low coal load, which looks to be metal and push-outable from underside.
Detail bits include the snowplough, cab doors, front steps, coupling hooks, and nicely, front covers for the insides of the fronts of the cylinders - these are off by default for tight curve running clearance, but a nice inclusion for those with looser curves.
Overall very interesting - not yet had chance to run!
Cheers,
Alan
I think the choice of pickup may have more to do with needing to dispense with an electrically split chassis given the cast metal footplate. It is the same on the C Class which also retains PB loco bearings.
Regards
Roy
P.S. Edit: I wish Rails would hurry up and ship mine, I am beginning to wish I had gone to my local supplier from whom I ordered my late crest sound one.
Does anyone have the old version and the new one ?
I would love to see a photo of both together in the same shot.
Thanks in advance,
Best regards,
Joe
Quote from: Roy L S on November 25, 2020, 04:28:19 PM
I think the choice of pickup may have more to do with needing to dispense with an electrically split chassis given the cast metal footplate. It is the same on the C Class which also retains PB loco bearings.
Yes, this is a good point.
Frankly, I think it's a win all round - the bearing pickups are never as reliable as a correctly adjusted wiper.
And on that note, I should say that out of box a number of them weren't that well adjusted :doh: - I've bent a few out a smidgen. Tender pickup seems rock solid, and performance is as good as anything I've seen - no tight spots, no wobbles, perfect ability to creep.
I noticed also that on both locos the slide bars were slightly bent on one side. Didn't cause any running issues, but I straightened them a fraction.
These are frankly minor - the model feels particularly quality, and may well be the best steam loco we've had yet (subjective, I know!).
Quote from: Roy L S on November 25, 2020, 04:28:19 PM
P.S. Edit: I wish Rails would hurry up and ship mine, I am beginning to wish I had gone to my local supplier from whom I ordered my late crest sound one.
Mine came from Cheltenham model centre. I suspect they also made a slight error - their eBay listing allowed an additional 5% discount for multiple buys, over the already maximum 15% discount from RRP. They might be sailing a bit close to the wind with that one with Bachmann! But hence I have 2 8Fs.....somewhat sooner than expected!
Best,
Alan
Quote from: joe cassidy on November 25, 2020, 04:37:55 PM
Does anyone have the old version and the new one ?
I would love to see a photo of both together in the same shot.
I do, can probably do some shots later on.
Cheers,
Alan
Thank you very much Alan.
Any comments you may care to make about the new one would of course also be very welcome.
Quote from: joe cassidy on November 25, 2020, 05:03:08 PM
Any comments you may care to make about the new one would of course also be very welcome.
I think I've already covered a bit on that - "probably one of the best yet" would be a concise overview!
Cheers,
Alan
Some comparisons.
The old 8F actually holds up well - body is correct length, most details correct. The real thing that lets it down most notably is the bulbous boiler and 'face' which are very overscale. The new model has all of this spot on.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50645942827_405384f120_k.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50645941582_010f1cf9a9_k.jpg)
Notable detail on the new model - the reversing lever is straight as compared the earlier model with it's curved one. The latter was on earlier locos in real life, so care when renumbering!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50645847391_896844b44f_k.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50645941522_b4fbefb136_k.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50645100098_143eb94dc4_k.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50645100043_1d179a370e_k.jpg)
The wipers:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50645847251_7bdb02848b_k.jpg)
The cab interior is exquisite. I think the designer's changed - the new models seem to have very pronounced fitment points for the extra detail like cab doors, unlike previous new tools. Same is true on underside of front end where the peg holes for the snowplough are.
I should say that I've not fitted any detail parts yet - this is the out-of-box condition.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50645847201_f4a8062055_h.jpg)
Running is sublime. Silent, smooth, effortless, no wobbles (a major issue on many Bachmann models due to quartering and insulator concentricity in the not too distant past - e.g. Fairburns), no tight spots. I've not tested the haulage yet, but I'll be bold as to say I think it will be strong. The tyred wheels are on the *correct* wheels (namely the back drivers) and one can feel the grip of them on track.
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Dr Al on November 25, 2020, 07:34:56 PM
Some comparisons.
The old 8F actually holds up well - body is correct length, most details correct. The real thing that lets it down most notably is the bulbous boiler and 'face' which are very overscale. The new model has all of this spot on.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50645942827_405384f120_k.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50645941582_010f1cf9a9_k.jpg)
Notable detail on the new model - the reversing lever is straight as compared the earlier model with it's curved one. The latter was on earlier locos in real life, so care when renumbering!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50645847391_896844b44f_k.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50645941522_b4fbefb136_k.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50645100098_143eb94dc4_k.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50645100043_1d179a370e_k.jpg)
The wipers:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50645847251_7bdb02848b_k.jpg)
The cab interior is exquisite. I think the designer's changed - the new models seem to have very pronounced fitment points for the extra detail like cab doors, unlike previous new tools. Same is true on underside of front end where the peg holes for the snowplough are.
I should say that I've not fitted any detail parts yet - this is the out-of-box condition.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50645847201_f4a8062055_h.jpg)
Running is sublime. Silent, smooth, effortless, no wobbles (a major issue on many Bachmann models due to quartering and insulator concentricity in the not too distant past - e.g. Fairburns), no tight spots. I've not tested the haulage yet, but I'll be bold as to say I think it will be strong. The tyred wheels are on the *correct* wheels (namely the back drivers) and one can feel the grip of them on track.
Cheers,
Alan
" They all look the same to me "
For some reason the worst part of the old model for me was the overtly missing piece of girderwork (I don't know the correct name for it) shown in an arrow on a blatant copy of Alans Pic @Dr Al (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=263)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/102/264-251120214158-102433588.jpeg)
I really am champing at the bit to get mine now
Interesting what people see. The boiler and face has it for me on the old one. Looking at the side on view the daylight under the boiler is notable also, and the chimney shape is significantly improved.
Are you still looking for a re-number/re-crest job on yours @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) ?
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Dr Al on November 25, 2020, 10:08:37 PM
Are you still looking for a re-number/re-crest job on yours @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) ?
@Dr Al (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=263) PM sent Alan.
Thank you very much Alan for the photos/comments.
Just one question - is the tender of rivetted or welded construction ?
Thanks in advance.
Best regards,
Joe
Quote from: joe cassidy on November 26, 2020, 11:32:54 AM
Just one question - is the tender of rivetted or welded construction ?
Welded.
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Newportnobby on November 25, 2020, 09:46:29 PM
For some reason the worst part of the old model for me was the overtly missing piece of girderwork (I don't know the correct name for it) shown in an arrow on a blatant copy of Alans Pic @Dr Al (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=263)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/102/264-251120214158-102433588.jpeg)
I really am champing at the bit to get mine now
It is usually referred to as a motion bracket
HTH
Alex
Quote from: Hailstone on November 26, 2020, 12:34:36 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on November 25, 2020, 09:46:29 PM
For some reason the worst part of the old model for me was the overtly missing piece of girderwork (I don't know the correct name for it) shown in an arrow on a blatant copy of Alans Pic @Dr Al (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=263)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/102/264-251120214158-102433588.jpeg)
I really am champing at the bit to get mine now
It is usually referred to as a motion bracket
HTH
Alex
Well, that was a bit of an anticlimax. I was hoping it'd be called something more exotic.
I dunno, summat like a 'pendicular linear restrainer'.
Quote from: emjaybee on November 26, 2020, 12:57:45 PM
Quote from: Hailstone on November 26, 2020, 12:34:36 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on November 25, 2020, 09:46:29 PM
For some reason the worst part of the old model for me was the overtly missing piece of girderwork (I don't know the correct name for it) shown in an arrow on a blatant copy of Alans Pic @Dr Al (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=263)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/102/264-251120214158-102433588.jpeg)
I really am champing at the bit to get mine now
It is usually referred to as a motion bracket
HTH
Alex
Well, that was a bit of an anticlimax. I was hoping it'd be called something more exotic.
I dunno, summat like a 'pendicular linear restrainer'.
That's the hook the driver hangs his lunch :D
Quote from: joe cassidy on November 26, 2020, 11:32:54 AM
Just one question - is the tender of rivetted or welded construction ?
Injection moulded Plastic ;)
All this first batch I believe represent welded tenders, though I'd be surprised if they don't do riveted in later batches (they've done both with Jubilees and Black 5s...)
The LNER (3506) and Early BR (48608) examples have welded tenders and straight reversing rods, whereas the LMS (8035) and Late BR (48773) examples have riveted tenders and curved reverser rods.
Now all I need to do is get the curved reversing rod off one and swap it onto my inbound 48608 in order to later re-create the earlier Crewe built 48115...
Received my 8F today from RoS. Did the running in and now fitted DCC Next18 decoder. Thi is a great loco. Very responsive and looks the part. it's been well worth the wait!
Still waiting for mine, according to Track and Trace it is currently in the South Yorkshire sorting centre. The better news is I received a Zimo MX658N18 from You-Choos yesterday with his 8F sound file loaded. I have so far resisted the temptation of trying it out in my C Class...
Roy
Hi,
I hope Grafar will release the italian version of 8f...the GR737....here arrived during 1944-1945...near the end of II WW through Egypt!....and remaining in service until 1950.
In the pic below, an operation of ferry-boat loading in Port Said ( Egypt) ...destination to Italy.
(https://i.postimg.cc/L6QKtX0B/316-ABCEA-768-B-4941-BE0-C-B126-BDCCBB0-F.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Marco
Quote from: Roy L S on November 28, 2020, 06:45:07 PM
Still waiting for mine, according to Track and Trace it is currently in the South Yorkshire sorting centre. The better news is I received a Zimo MX658N18 from You-Choos yesterday with his 8F sound file loaded. I have so far resisted the temptation of trying it out in my C Class...
Roy
Track and trace...lol
I had posted..using parcelfarce..a dud laptop being returned to amazon dunfermline for agreed refund. Sent from the isle of wight on the 4th november using 24 hours tracked. This was well packed and a printed amazon return label stuck and sealed to it.
It was last tracked at coventry depot on the 6th..and thats as far as it got.
After many phone calls and emails..i gave up..and reported it all to amazon. They asked me to copy and send my proof of posting
2 days later my full refund ..plus the £15 postage..was in my bank account.
Full marks to Amazon..excellent customer service.
Parcelfarce..nil point.
For those interested in haulage, I have tested one of mine and achieved 63 16 ton coal wagons before evidence of slipping started on slightly unlevel areas - the model still made it all the way round.
I've also fitted all the detail parts (apart from the front plough and cylinder caps) - there's enough clearance for the front steps to go on also.
Cheers,
Alan
Just as I remember them through Wolverton :D
Quote from: Dr Al on November 29, 2020, 09:46:30 PM
For those interested in haulage, I have tested one of mine and achieved 63 16 ton coal wagons before evidence of slipping started on slightly unlevel areas - the model still made it all the way round.
I've also fitted all the detail parts (apart from the front plough and cylinder caps) - there's enough clearance for the front steps to go on also.
Cheers,
Alan
Wot no Brake Van??
Quote from: Roy L S on November 30, 2020, 10:47:21 AM
Quote from: Dr Al on November 29, 2020, 09:46:30 PM
For those interested in haulage, I have tested one of mine and achieved 63 16 ton coal wagons before evidence of slipping started on slightly unlevel areas - the model still made it all the way round.
I've also fitted all the detail parts (apart from the front plough and cylinder caps) - there's enough clearance for the front steps to go on also.
Cheers,
Alan
Wot no Brake Van??
If it's a Peco one it's probably over the back of the layout somewhere :D
Huzzah!
Notification from Rails mine has been despatched today :)
Quote from: Dr Al on November 29, 2020, 09:46:30 PM
For those interested in haulage, I have tested one of mine and achieved 63 16 ton coal wagons before evidence of slipping started on slightly unlevel areas - the model still made it all the way round. <video snipped>
I've also fitted all the detail parts (apart from the front plough and cylinder caps) - there's enough clearance for the front steps to go on also.
Cheers,
Alan
That looks very impressive Dr Al.
Perhaps, as with the fake teak Thompsons, we should be saying that, although BachFar are slow, when they finally get here they are worth the wait! (And the cost...)
I hear that Chris Higgs is preparing a replacement motion etch for the 2mm Assoc if you want to gild the lily.
regards,
Richard
Quote from: Roy L S on November 30, 2020, 10:47:21 AM
Quote from: Dr Al on November 29, 2020, 09:46:30 PM
For those interested in haulage, I have tested one of mine and achieved 63 16 ton coal wagons before evidence of slipping started on slightly unlevel areas - the model still made it all the way round.
Wot no Brake Van??
Hehe, I was wondering if the signalman should have sent 9 bells one way and 4 followed by 5 bells the other :D
The Brake Van is always in front of the Loco after the first loop 8) :wave: :wave: :wave:
NGM
Well my early crest 8F arrived today and what a superb model it is!
Pickups all properly adjusted on the loco from the off, it runs like a swiss watch, totally silent, just rail noise to be heard. I fitted the Zimo MX658N18 I had waiting and the You-Choos sound is top notch, it will be interesting to see how it compares to the factory sound when my late crest one arrives.
A long wait it is true, but Bachmann have well and truly delivered with this loco, and I am inclined to agree with Dr Al, it is their best yet and absolutely worth the money.
That's all the Farish steam locos we know about delivered now, I wonder what might be next and when it will be announced?
Still awaiting the new or rather reworked 5MT & N Class with built in Sound, does the rework from 6pin to Next18 and factory fitting a speaker count as new ???
Next on my list is the Class 31 which has been slowly moving backwards, especially after they decided to take all the Non sound versions and fit them with sound and offer them ahead of the non sound ones, (It was the other way around until a few months ago) sound ones are supposed to be here this year and non sound now pushed back to next year.
NGM
All the chat about this new 8f prompted me to give my 2 old models a run..first time for weeks. One is a poole with tender pickups..the other a chinese with added pickups. Both run very well....and to my eyes look good. No doubt i will be adding a new one when the dust settles and all the user problems have been aired and sorted.
Wow, 63! That's UM levels of haulage. Having just been able to admire mine on the coffee table so far I have to agree - the original might be a workhorse but the model is pretty spectacular.
It'll need to pull more than 63 to beat our favourite Dapol 28xx which can pull over 100, and up 1:100 and round curves too. I suspect the 8F won't do that....but it does look superb and will only normally need to pull 30 or so.
Dave
No reports anywhere of 8Fs that can't pull the skin off a rice pudding, thank goodness.
It would appear Bachmann/Farish have got the milling issue that plagued the WD and A2 sorted- wheels milled too deeply on some of those meant traction tyres didn't actually touch the rails. The result was some folks had really weak locos while others wondered what the fuss was all about.
Les
Reply #113, Roy;
"That's all the Farish steam locos we know about delivered now, I wonder what might be next and when it will be announced?"
Still missing from the Poole line-up for revamp are the Crab and 2P/Compound family?
But I don't wish to re-start a wish list once again!
Martyn
Quote from: Dr Al on November 29, 2020, 09:46:30 PM
For those interested in haulage, I have tested one of mine and achieved 63 16 ton coal wagons before evidence of slipping started on slightly unlevel areas - the model still made it all the way round.
Cheers,
Alan
63, If I counted correctly that's only 2 more than your old 3Mt, which is more of an indication as to how good the 3MT is rather than anything against the 8F which is a superb model and probably their best to date.
NGM
Quote from: N_GaugeModeller on November 30, 2020, 01:37:34 PM
Still awaiting the new or rather reworked 5MT & N Class with built in Sound, does the rework from 6pin to Next18 and factory fitting a speaker count as new ???
NGM
I think that's a fair question. Arguably there is inevitably to be some "new" tooling in the tender but it is debatable whether that classes them as a "new" model, I would say they are improved existing ones.
I was meaning completely new steam models from the ground up. I look at the 00 range and ask what would I put through the "shrink ray" and I think the two most obvious would be the V2 and the 94xx...
Regards
Roy
Their Ivatt 2 Tank engine would make a nice addition to their Ivatt 2 Tender engine
NGM
My crimson livery 8F with sound has just been delivered. First impressions are excellent. Looking forward to test running it later but the detail on it is fabulous.
A re-tooled Crab rebuilt Merchant Navy would be nice.
I can't see Bachmann/Farish doing the Ivatt class 2 tank engine whilst Dapol have the tooling for one sitting on their shelves. Hopefully it'll follow the M7 with a chassis upgrade.
Steven B.
Quote from: N_GaugeModeller on December 01, 2020, 10:29:21 AM
63, If I counted correctly that's only 2 more than your old 3Mt, which is more of an indication as to how good the 3MT is rather than anything against the 8F which is a superb model and probably their best to date.
NGM
The 3MT did 58, so 5 different, but yes, I think that it does show that the 3MT punched above its weight in this area.
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Delboy on December 01, 2020, 12:20:11 PM
My crimson livery 8F with sound has just been delivered. First impressions are excellent. Looking forward to test running it later but the detail on it is fabulous.
Is that the collectors club version, when is the black one out with sound ?
Craig
Quote from: Dalek on December 01, 2020, 03:03:09 PM
Quote from: Delboy on December 01, 2020, 12:20:11 PM
My crimson livery 8F with sound has just been delivered. First impressions are excellent. Looking forward to test running it later but the detail on it is fabulous.
Is that the collectors club version, when is the black one out with sound ?
Craig
Yes, it is the Collectors Club version. I believe the black with sound is due out anytime.
Regards,
Quote from: Delboy on December 01, 2020, 03:05:50 PM
Quote from: Dalek on December 01, 2020, 03:03:09 PM
Quote from: Delboy on December 01, 2020, 12:20:11 PM
My crimson livery 8F with sound has just been delivered. First impressions are excellent. Looking forward to test running it later but the detail on it is fabulous.
Is that the collectors club version, when is the black one out with sound ?
Craig
Yes, it is the Collectors Club version. I believe the black with sound is due out anytime.
Regards,
ok thanks :thumbsup:
To anyone who has now got the new 8f do the boiler handrails and knobs look thicker / heavier than those on duchess, 4f, standard 5 etc ?
Has anyone bought the version in LNER livery ?
Quote from: joe cassidy on December 16, 2020, 11:53:46 AM
Has anyone bought the version in LNER livery ?
Me, for one - the only way I could justify it on my LNER layout (it's a class O6 newly out-shopped from Darlington Works).
Had it test run before purchase by my preferred
pusher model shop in York - runs sweet as a nut.
Best
Richard