Osborn Exclusive OSB012 Dapol Western D1000 Western Enterprise Desert Sand small yellow e(weathered)
A grubby one This time!
https://www.osbornsmodels.com/osborn-exclusive-osb012-dapol-western-d1000-western-enterprise-desert-sand-small-yellow-eweathered-48518-p.asp (https://www.osbornsmodels.com/osborn-exclusive-osb012-dapol-western-d1000-western-enterprise-desert-sand-small-yellow-eweathered-48518-p.asp)
I hate to rain on your parade, but I think this was announced and on here some months back.
???
On the other forum, Maurice posted a link to the deco version they just received. However, it was just a link to the shop item.
I'm sure that was a simple mistake. I'd love to see the deco version.
best
bob
Yep, known about and discussed on here some time ago as I recall. I remember thinking I don't like it with the yellow ends, much as I would like a Desert Sand or the Golden Ochre that another shop has commissioned.
Quote from: emjaybee on July 16, 2020, 02:31:55 PM
I hate to rain on your parade, but I think this was announced and on here some months back.
???
Contrary to popular opinion, we are not omniscient!
Quote from: Railwaygun on July 16, 2020, 10:42:53 PM
Quote from: emjaybee on July 16, 2020, 02:31:55 PM
I hate to rain on your parade, but I think this was announced and on here some months back.
???
Contrary to popular opinion, we are not omniscient!
Aah, but you lot are not far off!
:D
If it helps I had to look up omniscient.
I was after one of these until I discovered it was going to be weathered. It's not really my thing, so I have, hopefully, gone down another road to get one pristine, and with no yellow end panels.
Fingers crossed.
Sadly I cannot be convinced (or even convince myself) I need one as I have a pristine one. Of course, as soon as I see some pics of it, that may turn out to be a different steam loco of fish.
I'm down for a Golden Ochre one anyway.
Quote from: Newportnobby on July 17, 2020, 09:44:26 AM
Sadly I cannot be convinced (or even convince myself) I need one as I have a pristine one. Of course, as soon as I see some pics of it, that may turn out to be a different steam loco of fish.
I'm down for a Golden Ochre one anyway.
Aah, comments like that take me back to the great 'I'm-not-buying-a-breakdown-crane' challenge of the other year. Happy days.
So, challenge accepted, now down to business.
How are you going to feel when all the other boys have one? You'll feel like you missed out, you know you will.
It'd look so good pulling the crane around. Wouldn't it look great.
:whistle:
:stop:
Just :stop:
You wicked, wicked man :worried:
(https://www.osbornsmodels.com/ekmps/shops/osbornsmodels/images/osborn-exclusive-osb012-dapol-d1000-western-enterprise-desert-syp-weathered--49399-p.jpg)
Well that looks rather nice.
If it had the pipes fitted, that photo could have looked very real indeed.
I know I ordered one, just need to check I gave Osborns my card details.
Best regards
Bob
That's fantastic, I'm not one for weathering, but that just looks amazing.
Imagine what it would look like on the front of a rake of weathered silver bullets. Just stunning.
That has to be the best factory weathered Dapol model ever.
That does look superb!
Quote from: MKP on July 17, 2020, 01:27:54 PM
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Quote from: emjaybee on July 17, 2020, 02:02:44 PM
Imagine what it would look like on the front of a rake of weathered silver bullets. Just stunning.
You evil buggers :help:
Quote from: emjaybee on July 17, 2020, 02:02:44 PM
That's fantastic, I'm not one for weathering, but that just looks amazing.
Imagine what it would look like on the front of a rake of weathered silver bullets. Just stunning.
I agree, but that would be very much a "Rule One" consist, wouldn't it ? Wasn't D1000 withdrawn well before the "bullets" came into service ? China Clay awgons, on the other hand .........
Quote from: koyli55002 on July 20, 2020, 10:53:21 AM
Quote from: emjaybee on July 17, 2020, 02:02:44 PM
That's fantastic, I'm not one for weathering, but that just looks amazing.
Imagine what it would look like on the front of a rake of weathered silver bullets. Just stunning.
I agree, but that would be very much a "Rule One" consist, wouldn't it ? Wasn't D1000 withdrawn well before the "bullets" came into service ? China Clay awgons, on the other hand .........
That's as maybe, but I don't think you're quite understanding what we're trying to achieve here.
There's a plot....
<That's as maybe, but I don't think you're quite understanding what we're trying to achieve here.
There's a plot....>
You're right, am sorry to say. Must be a senior moment
@koyli55002 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1353)
Not long ago I bought a rake of weathered bullets purely as I believe they are superb models. Being a transition modeller I had nothing 'proper' to haul them so posted a film of Western Enterprise in Desert Sand hauling them.
Poor deluded @emjaybee (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5604) thinks I might cave in in and buy a weathered one. I could then have a clean and dirty one to alternate with. Bah - foolish boy :P
(Trouble is he might yet turn out to be right)
I have the same trouble.....picking up stock just because it looks nice and then thinking "Now how can I justify running this through the outskirts of York ?" Then I hit on the idea of stuff going to and from the NRM .....
I hate to spoil your fun, but you'd never have seen a Western in this condition on the silver bullets. It wouldn't have been able to stop them. Bullets are air-braked, loco is vacuum-braked.
Quote from: crepello on July 20, 2020, 01:07:25 PM
I hate to spoil your fun, but you'd never have seen a Western in this condition on the silver bullets. It wouldn't have been able to stop them. Bullets are air-braked, loco is vacuum-braked.
You're not helping the cause....
Surely everyone knows that D1015 was repainted and renamed as D1000 when it hauled the 6S55 Burngullow - Irvine silver bullets on the 29th Feb 2013?
The return working included some of EWS flying pig vans. :no:
Steven B.
Quote from: Steven B on July 20, 2020, 03:09:07 PM
The return working included some of EWS flying pig vans. :no:
Now I just gotta have a rake of those :D
Quote from: Steven B on July 20, 2020, 03:09:07 PM
Surely everyone knows that D1015 was repainted and renamed as D1000 when it hauled the 6S55 Burngullow - Irvine silver bullets on the 29th Feb 2013?
The return working included some of EWS flying pig vans. :no:
Steven B.
I'm sure I've seen some photos of Westerns and bullets....
...although, as I think about it, John Wayne may have been present.
:hmmm:
Quote from: emjaybee on July 20, 2020, 04:16:54 PM
Quote from: Steven B on July 20, 2020, 03:09:07 PM
Surely everyone knows that D1015 was repainted and renamed as D1000 when it hauled the 6S55 Burngullow - Irvine silver bullets on the 29th Feb 2013?
The return working included some of EWS flying pig vans. :no:
Steven B.
I'm sure I've seen some photos of Westerns and bullets....
...although, as I think about it, John Wayne may have been present.
:hmmm:
The Duke used to frequent your Odeon?! Cool. :D
That's D1043 of course.
That's stunning !
Who's doing the Golden Ocre one again ?
Craig
Quote from: Dalek on July 21, 2020, 05:22:09 PM
That's stunning !
Who's doing the Golden Ocre one again ?
Craig
I believe it's Cheltenham Model Centre.
It is indeed CMC who are doing D1015 - I have one on order
Quote from: emjaybee on July 21, 2020, 05:45:24 PM
Quote from: Dalek on July 21, 2020, 05:22:09 PM
That's stunning !
Who's doing the Golden Ocre one again ?
Craig
I believe it's Cheltenham Model Centre.
https://www.cheltenhammodelcentre.com/model-railways~1183-c/dapol-n-gauge-d1015-western-champion-golden-ochre-with-small-yellow-panels-limited-edition~d1015-p.html (https://www.cheltenhammodelcentre.com/model-railways~1183-c/dapol-n-gauge-d1015-western-champion-golden-ochre-with-small-yellow-panels-limited-edition~d1015-p.html)
Thanks guys
:help:
Damn you all!
I couldn't possibly run this next to a Farish blue one.....
Quote from: Foxhound on July 21, 2020, 09:29:29 PM
:help:
Damn you all!
I couldn't possibly run this next to a Farish blue one.....
Go on......you KNOW you want to. Besides, they're preserved - you can pick and choose as you please ! :bounce:
couple more pictures of the paint sample
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Quote from: MKP on July 22, 2020, 06:35:36 PM
couple more pictures of the paint sample
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That's awesome, you can almost make out the Ransomes and Rapier crane in the background as it pulls a rake of coaches through...
...superb.
Quote from: Foxhound on July 21, 2020, 09:29:29 PM
:help:
Damn you all!
I couldn't possibly run this next to a Farish blue one.....
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/dcaba5468033ab83ce0245dc9c3149b7/tenor.gif?itemid=7227399)
Aw heck. I'm even thinking of ordering a dirty one and selling my pristine version :hmmm: :help:
Quote from: Newportnobby on July 23, 2020, 03:24:06 PM
Aw heck. I'm even thinking of ordering a dirty one and selling my pristine version :hmmm: :help:
You're still not thinking this through thoroughly...
...
ALL the best layouts now have seasons.
So you have the pristine one to crack along in the summer sunshine, and the weathered one for the mucky autumnal/wintery days.
Obvious really.
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Quote from: Newportnobby on July 23, 2020, 03:24:06 PM
Aw heck. I'm even thinking of ordering a dirty one and selling my pristine version :hmmm: :help:
I'll have the old pristine one - doesn't have yellow ends does it? They're what's putting me off wanting these pending releases.
Quote from: ntpntpntp on July 23, 2020, 04:05:53 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on July 23, 2020, 03:24:06 PM
Aw heck. I'm even thinking of ordering a dirty one and selling my pristine version :hmmm: :help:
I'll have the old pristine one - doesn't have yellow ends does it? They're what's putting me off wanting these pending releases.
@ntpntpntp (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5885) Sorry, Nick, but it has small yellow panels.
The prototype only had no yellow panel between Dec 61 and Nov 62
@Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) Interesting, I wonder why I have it in my head that the original Osborns model had plain ends? .
My Lima OO (wash my mouth out) model has no SYPs.
@ntpntpntp (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5885) Just in case you can be tempted (the bullets are not for sale!!!)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/31337/50025567196_56da8b862f_t.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jdA7gf)Dapol Western with Dapol weathered bullets (https://flic.kr/p/2jdA7gf) by Mick Hollyoake (https://www.flickr.com/photos/182878845@N04/), on Flickr
Quote from: Newportnobby on July 24, 2020, 10:34:26 AM
@ntpntpntp (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5885) Just in case you can be tempted (the bullets are not for sale!!!)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/31337/50025567196_56da8b862f_t.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jdA7gf)Dapol Western with Dapol weathered bullets (https://flic.kr/p/2jdA7gf) by Mick Hollyoake (https://www.flickr.com/photos/182878845@N04/), on Flickr
That's a lovely clip, shame the loco is so clean...
Quote from: ntpntpntp on July 24, 2020, 10:26:50 AM
I wonder why I have it in my head that the original Osborns model had plain ends? .
Perhaps, like me, you have a much thumbed copy of the Ian Allan "Rail Portfolios 10: The WR Diesel-Hydraulics" with D1000 resplendent on the front cover? It's so burned onto my retinas that I can only ever see the loco without SYP :confused1:
Quote from: emjaybee on July 24, 2020, 10:43:02 AM
Quote from: Newportnobby on July 24, 2020, 10:34:26 AM
@ntpntpntp (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5885) Just in case you can be tempted (the bullets are not for sale!!!)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/31337/50025567196_56da8b862f_t.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jdA7gf)Dapol Western with Dapol weathered bullets (https://flic.kr/p/2jdA7gf) by Mick Hollyoake (https://www.flickr.com/photos/182878845@N04/), on Flickr
That's a lovely clip, shame the loco is so clean...
:stop: :stop: :stop: :telloff:
@tutenkhamunsleeping (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1490) Nope, but I have this :)
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Looks like I'll have to rethink my thinks and maybe allow one with SYPs into the fold after all.
Especially as the info I have shows D1023 never carried Desert Sand livery :no:
Only maroon SYP and blue FYP
Well, come on.....were you expecting accuracy from those toy manufacturers ?
@Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) @koyli55002 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1353) Yeah this is Lima we're talking about :)
It gets worse: the nameplates are Western Enterprise :D
Perhaps I'll get a set of correct plates from Shawplan, but on the other hand that would be devaluing the mint condition of the Lima model. Not that it's rare or worth much anyway. It sits in its box year upon year un-run along with the rest of the OO stuff.
Quote from: ntpntpntp on July 24, 2020, 10:58:24 AM
Looks like I'll have to rethink my thinks and maybe allow one with SYPs into the fold after all.
Go on! You KNOW you want to. ;D
Alec.
Ah, Lima......N gauge stuff wider than a barn door, and some VERY iffy "detailing" on the OO stuff.
Some years ago, I was commissioned to make the masters for a kit to replace the silly box on the underside of a Lima 156 (OO gauge at that !) with some properly detailed parts. I have to confess there were several occasions when I was tempted to ask whether the effort was worth it !
From Joel on Dapol Digest a couple of weeks ago...........
The N Gauge Westerns are a little behind schedule and are due to be shipped at the end of the month. Expect them in store mid November.
As they are 'plural' hopefully he means the Golden Ochre version for Cheltenham Models too
Quote from: Newportnobby on October 08, 2020, 02:51:38 PM
From Joel on Dapol Digest a couple of weeks ago...........
The N Gauge Westerns are a little behind schedule and are due to be shipped at the end of the month. Expect them in store mid November.
As they are 'plural' hopefully he means the Golden Ochre version for Cheltenham Models too
...or it could just mean that they're shipping more than one Desert Sand loco at a time.
I'm through being optimistic with suppliers. Just trying to stay realistic these days.
:(
I'm not worried and neither is my wallet! In fact I'm a bit down because my two "home painted" locos will no longer be rare liveries.
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Having said that I do need a maroon with yellow buffer beams to finish off my collection of liveries.
It has to be said that Dapol have got plenty going on at the moment. I'm looking forward to a skipper in the not too distant future together with Captain Tom. Another round of 50s also on the go and I still fancy an intercity HST. On second thoughts my wallet does have plenty to worry about!
@MKP (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3208) @osborns (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1063)
I don't suppose you know if we're suddenly going to get a pleasant surprise before Chrimbo as there's only a few days to go!!??
We were told that they were arriving in the UK on the 5th but haven't had a note yet to say they are in and on the way to us, fingers crossed but can't promise before Christmas yet
latest news just received from Dapol and it's not good. Sorry everyone.
It would appear in the mess that is UK imports that the container has now moved vessels in its queue into the UK.
We have been told that the container is now due into port on the 25th and will devan on the 30th so we will receive it after we come back after Christmas.
I am so sorry that this shipment has missed Christmas, it's a real pain.
Thanks for the update. Presumably, in order to have "moved vessels" it was on a ship that has bypassed the UK due to the congestion and been put off elsewhere?
Many thanks for keeping us up to speed with this. Disappointing for me but my wallet is chuckling merrily for the break in spending pre Christmas
Thanks to everybody for waiting so long but the weathered Western Enterprise is due into us sometime tomorrow so we hope to get pre-orders shipped out tomorrow/Wednesday.
:bounce:
Excellent news.
Bob
Yeehah! :claphappy:
What happens in terms of payment, do we get an email or phone call to pay ?
First time pre ordering from Osbourns
Craig
anyone pre-ordered who has not pre-paid we will call if phone number known. If not we will email them.
Although we did not require pre-payment, a lot have via the normal order system.
We will be in touch Craig.
Quote from: osborns on January 12, 2021, 09:45:21 AM
anyone pre-ordered who has not pre-paid we will call if phone number known. If not we will email them.
Although we did not require pre-payment, a lot have via the normal order system.
We will be in touch Craig.
Thanks for the info :thumbsup:
Craig
Got my call and it's on it's way :laugh3: :claphappy:
Craig
Me too.
What will I do with three D1000s?
Bob
Quote from: Bob G on January 12, 2021, 01:18:28 PM
Me too.
What will I do with three D1000s?
Bob
play snap ? :D
Quote from: Dalek on January 12, 2021, 02:00:22 PM
Quote from: Bob G on January 12, 2021, 01:18:28 PM
Me too.
What will I do with three D1000s?
Bob
play snap ? :D
Only two of them create a time paradox (the Osborns pair). Because I obviously would not run the maroon one at the same time as the sand one :)
I am undecided as to whether to sell the original one or keep both. You cant have too many Westerns.
Bob
You cant have too many Westerns. says Bob but he wouldn't say that if he had tp pack them all!!!
Quote from: osborns on January 12, 2021, 03:27:21 PM
You cant have too many Westerns. says Bob but he wouldn't say that if he had tp pack them all!!!
You evidently need more staff :)
Or a bigger stick.
Bob
My Western Enterprise arrived this morning. I haven't had a chance to run it yet, but the weathering is a maybe a wee bit disapointing. It seems to be only one colour and the weathering on teh bogies is not as discernable as it could be.
It's not a problem, because additional weathering can be incorporated, and this would be easier and more effective than doing the same to Farish's blue tinged "factory weathering" so it's a minor gripe, if anything.
Great service from Osborne's, though; phone call yesterday morning, delivery this morning.
Best
Scott.
Could you post a photo and compare it with the photo that Osborns originally posted. That weathering was very good and they noted that the bogies had not been weathered.
Bob
Quote from: Bob G on January 13, 2021, 10:29:17 AM
Could you post a photo and compare it with the photo that Osborns originally posted. That weathering was very good and they noted that the bogies had not been weathered.
Bob
Sure.
These are quick Iphone pictures, but they are in natural light and show the difference between this weathering and the weathering on Dapol's previous batch(es).
To be clear, my comment wasn't a complaint and I can easily add suitable additional colouring/weathering where required, I just noted that it wasn't to the same level as previous effiorts, to my mind.
Best
Scott.
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Hi Scott
Just after I posted, the doorbell went and my limited edition Western arrived (no 004 out of 200).
It runs well, no eccentric axles, and I just thought I'd compare it with my other Osborns D1000 (pristine) and my hand painted attempt on a Farish Western that I did in 1994.
I think I actually like both Osborns versions, and will keep the pristine one as well as the weathered one. I think your point about the engine exhaust weathering is a valid one.
The hand painted one was good for its day but the body is clearly not as good as the Dapol one.
Hopefully I don't break the space-time continuum by having two identical locos on my layout at the same time.
Bob
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My concerns are around the roof/exhaust and teh lack of brake/track dirt around teh underframe and teh bogies, as can be discerned on the Maroon example I have.
The other niggle I have with these models is the stick-on headcodes.
It sounds like I'm moaning, I'm really not. None of thes epoints would deter me from buying it had I been aware beforehand nor recomending these to anyone.
Osbourne's (and CMC) are to be commended for commisioning LE models.
(Mine id 40 of 200)
Best
Scott.
Also, note for those not aware, the instructions advise that the decoder scoket is Next18.
Best
Scott.
Quote from: NGS-PO on January 13, 2021, 11:24:42 AM
Also, note for those not aware, the instructions advise that the decoder scoket is Next18.
Best
Scott.
Does that mean it's got a speaker or room for one Scott, do you know ?
You are about 10 miles or so away from me i think so hopefully mine will arrive today :D
Craig
Quote from: NGS-PO on January 13, 2021, 11:24:42 AM
Also, note for those not aware, the instructions advise that the decoder scoket is Next18.
Best
Scott.
Is it not? I've read in various sources that it's N18 - I suppose if Dapol posted incorrect spec and it was copied by many...
I'm really not sure Craig. I haven't opened it up yet...
Best
Scott.
Quote from: RailGooner on January 13, 2021, 11:48:43 AM
Quote from: NGS-PO on January 13, 2021, 11:24:42 AM
Also, note for those not aware, the instructions advise that the decoder scoket is Next18.
Best
Scott.
Is it not? I've read in various sources that it's N18 - I suppose if Dapol posted incorrect spec and it was copied by many...
I confess, I'm not sure what the question is...
The instructions say Next18 so I'm assuming that is what will be there when we open it up? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick?
Best
Scott.
Thanks for posting the photos. Agree with the comments. Definitely needs some brake dust around the lower areas and a bit more soot on the roof but in my view, factory weathering has generally been a starting point subject to further improvement. Decision made, I'm in!
Sorry Scott. I interpreted your "the instructions advise that the decoder socket is Next18" to mean it was not actually N18. I now read "beware, unlike the earlier releases it's now N18" and am becalmed. :beers:
Quote from: RailGooner on January 13, 2021, 11:58:25 AM
Sorry Scott. I interpreted your "the instructions advise that the decoder socket is Next18" to mean it was not actually N18. I now read "beware, unlike the earlier releases it's now N18" and am becalmed. :beers:
Ahh, now I understand.
No apology necessary.
Best
Scott.
With everyone raving about the new class 92 I have just received my limited edition Weathered Class52 Western Enterprise a proper loco.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/104/3799-130121122413.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=104635)
RE N18 Decoder Socket: Whilst I have not opened my 'Enterprise' up yet I can confirm that the All-Maroon Western Harrier I received before Christmas does indeed have an N18 socket now.
I think Dapol are quite keen to get everything upgraded to N18 sockets going forwards...
One thing to note, be very careful handling the model, the weathering can be quite easily rubbed off onto fingers. This does mean you can use a brush to 'edit' the weathering if needed.
All in all as someone who missed out on the first batch, I am very pleased with this and intend to add to the weathering.
Seeing all these pics I want mine and I want it now!! :'( :'(
Quote from: Tim E on January 13, 2021, 12:56:43 PM
One thing to note, be very careful handling the model, the weathering can be quite easily rubbed off onto fingers. This does mean you can use a brush to 'edit' the weathering if needed.
Having looked at it closer now, it actually seems to be a wash rather than the previous airbrushing.
Best
Scott.
Quote from: Newportnobby on January 13, 2021, 02:41:32 PM
Seeing all these pics I want mine and I want it now!! :'( :'(
Michael rang me for the dosh this afternoon so it won't be long now :)
it has already left so possibly delivered tomorrow.
Thanks for waiting.
Mauirice
Thanks Maurice. Apologies if I mixed you up. No wait has been incurred but the pics got me all unnecessary ;D
Thanks to superb service by both Osborns and Royal Mail number 84 of 200 arrived just after midday today. Extremely smooth runner and I'm well pleased with the weathering as it's neither understated nor OTT.......(there's now a pristine version on the N'Porium ;))
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/104/264-140121130037-1046781627.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/104/264-140121130037-1046782221.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/104/264-140121130040-104684427.jpeg)
managed to take a quick pic this morning
(https://69.cdn.ekm.net/ekmps/shops/osbornsmodels/images/osborn-exclusive-osb012-dapol-d1000-western-enterprise-desert-syp-weathered--49399-1-p.jpg?v=CA7E5223-7845-4045-84B9-DF86D0D7C932)
Is it me or is the level of weathering different on every model photographed?
Pleased mine is lightly weathered on the sides. The noses are more heavily dirtied.
If the dirt comes off I might try that.
Bob
It's hard to tell as the different photos have different lighting. I doubt anyone will have bought 2 to allow a side-by-side comparison.
Quote from: Only Me on January 14, 2021, 10:05:04 PM
Dont touch em with damp hands... it all comes off as doesnt appear sealed
Seriously? :o
I thought it looked like weathering powder but I assumed it was just the lighting.
To me, it's a dark wash that hasn't been sealed. It definitely rubs off with handling.
Which probably works in its favour for redoing...
Best
Scott
As one who's never used weathering powders, I'm wondering if they just wash off? Or, if leaving them as they are, presumably they can be sealed with a spray of matt varnish? Just considering my options.
Cheers,
Nev
Powders can be fixed with Pigment Fixers. Lacquer or varnish can be used, though they will change the shade of the powders.
It is interestiong to compare D1000 with D1015 that has just arrived with CMC:
https://www.cheltenhammodelcentre.com/locomotives/dapol-n-gauge-d1015-western-champion-golden-ochre-small-yellow-panels-limited-edition/p-d1015 (https://www.cheltenhammodelcentre.com/locomotives/dapol-n-gauge-d1015-western-champion-golden-ochre-small-yellow-panels-limited-edition/p-d1015)
Photos 4 and 5 appear to be the weathered version which CMC are offering and I think this is being done in-house.
Hmm, Dapol previously led the way in factory weathering but these examples do not seem to be up the standards of previous offerings. I was hoping for something more like that on the class 22s.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/MJAAAOSwuMxdATxX/s-l1600.jpg)
I am now trying to remember if I ordered the pristine or weathered Champion. :-\
The base colour of Western Champion looks like moulded plastic. It has that waxy look to it. I hope that is not the case. I kind of like the sludge on the roof and the dusty vents on the weathered example.
I don't think I would buy Champion in pristine condition. Or if I did I'd get TMC to weather it. I've ordered weathered roof, vents and underskirts, but a relatively clean bodyside appearance. Pretty much as weathered.
How that will arrive, I just dont know quite yet.
It is clear that what constitutes good weathering is a very personal thing.
Bob
Dapol's own weathered Westerns look better than these special editions too. If you look at this one, the weathering looks quite different. There are dark sooty deposits around the exhausts and lighter brake-dust weathering around the bogies and bottom of the body.
(https://images.hattons.co.uk/products/2D-003-010_3080235_Qty1_1.jpg)
Neither the weathered Champion or Enterprise seem to have the same quality of weathering applied.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/104/264-140121130037-1046782221.jpeg)
(https://www.cheltenhammodelcentre.com/images/highres/D1015_Weathered2.jpg)
Quote from: Only Me on January 15, 2021, 04:31:45 PM
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/104/1328-150121163022.jpeg) Just subtle weathering on my one
Champion does in RTR look better weathered than D1000 though imo
Is that the newly released weathered one? It looks quite clean & glossy (maybe just the photo)
cheers, Stu
Quote from: RailGooner on January 15, 2021, 03:59:45 PM
Powders can be fixed with Pigment Fixers. Lacquer or varnish can be used, though they will change the shade of the powders.
Thanks. Think I'll leave it alone for now. Maybe consider a full clean up and start from scratch at some point, if it proves possible to wash it off with water. Not going to risk anything stronger.
Quote from: Only Me on January 15, 2021, 05:25:19 PM
Quote from: mk1gtstu on January 15, 2021, 05:13:44 PM
Quote from: Only Me on January 15, 2021, 04:31:45 PM
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/104/1328-150121163022.jpeg) Just subtle weathering on my one
Champion does in RTR look better weathered than D1000 though imo
Is that the newly released weathered one? It looks quite clean & glossy (maybe just the photo)
cheers, Stu
Nope my own respray about three years ago i did that and just dug her out! ;)
Aha ok, that's why it looked a bit different, it looks great :thumbsup:. Those photos I'm seeing of those weathered Westerns look very patchy & a bit odd... :hmmm:
The CMC golden ochre Western has brass nameplates/numbers in the pack but not so my weathered Enterprise. Is this the 'norm'? :confused2:
Quote from: Newportnobby on January 22, 2021, 09:36:32 AM
The CMC golden ochre Western has brass nameplates/numbers in the pack but not so my weathered Enterprise. Is this the 'norm'? :confused2:
No Mick. try rubbing a finger over the nameplate and you will see the brass nameplate has already been applied.
Worry ye not as we all have a good laff. :smiley-laughing:
My yellow buffer beam version came with nameplates in the same bag as the route indicator transfers.
Re weathering. I have repainted a western into Golden Ochre myself and have weathered my pristine Desert sand western. In my view wetahering maroon or blue seems much easier than golden ochre or desert sand. Desert sand especially. I think this is because they are fairly light clours in the first place and any weathering will therefore be a big contrast to the base colour. Champion in the photo above looks good to me. Its been used a lot and has been through the wash plant so the sides are clean but the roof is black. This is probably the most common look in photos during the 1960s.
Quote from: Bob G on January 22, 2021, 09:40:42 AM
Quote from: Newportnobby on January 22, 2021, 09:36:32 AM
The CMC golden ochre Western has brass nameplates/numbers in the pack but not so my weathered Enterprise. Is this the 'norm'? :confused2:
No Mick. try rubbing a finger over the nameplate and you will see the brass nameplate has already been applied.
Worry ye not as we all have a good laff. :smiley-laughing:
:doh: :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :sorrysign:
Anyone else had the bogies out of their new westerns yet? My Champion was a little hesitant over points, so out with the bogies and no surprise at all to find enough grease to lubricate the full size loco! Thought I'd have a look at Enterprise while I was at it and whilst not quite as bad, there was still a covering of grease on the electrical contacts.
My CMC Champion was smooth from the box but Enterprise does 'chug' a bit so I'll be having a look.
I thought they'd stopped doing that some time ago.
Thanks
Quote from: Newportnobby on January 28, 2021, 08:25:52 PM
My CMC Champion was smooth from the box but Enterprise does 'chug' a bit so I'll be having a look.
I thought they'd stopped doing that some time ago.
Thanks
If you remember I found the same gunge in my EFE Class 17s.
Automatically that suggested to me that they came from the same factory that Dapol were using.
Bob
Yeah - my class 17 had the same issue, as did many others.
My Champion was a bit hestitant at first in both directions but within a few minutes of running in, it settled down to a nice steady trundling round the test track. After an hour in each direction, the body side was barely warm (I have had the dreaded overheat on one previous occasion).
Very pleased with the finish and performance of the loco. :)
Never been really happy with the weathering on my Osbornes D1000, so today I finally got around to having a go at it. An hour or so with water and cotton buds, removing a lot of what I presume was weathering powder, resulted in something more pleasing, to my eyes at least.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/108/7524-170421152922.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=108675)
That does look much better. It looks like they liberally slapped a black wash on them before, which is bizarre given Dapol's usually excellent factory weathering.
Quote from: njee20 on April 17, 2021, 03:34:13 PM
That does look much better. It looks like they liberally slapped a black wash on them before, which is bizarre given Dapol's usually excellent factory weathering.
Thanks. I thought the cab fronts were particularly bad. I'll probably just add a little soot around the exhaust ports and brake dust on the bogies now.