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Title: Wiring help please!
Post by: emjaybee on June 11, 2020, 09:18:17 PM
It's a simple question.

I'm building a shunting plank for my father for fathers day, and I'm just after some confirmation on my wiring please.

It's fairly straightforward, I think.

Two turnouts, both electrofrog.

I've labelled my proposed feeds with red/black triangles, and the green dashes are insulating joiners on the frogs. Turnouts will be operated by H.O.G.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/95/5604-110620211720.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=95306)

Thank you for your consideration!




Oh yes, sorry, it's 00 gauge (my Dad is 84!).
Title: Re: Wiring help please!
Post by: LASteve on June 11, 2020, 09:20:16 PM
Looks alright to me. I'd put feeds on the stock rails of the turnouts too, but that's just me being finicky.
Title: Re: Wiring help please!
Post by: emjaybee on June 11, 2020, 09:21:50 PM
Quote from: LASteve on June 11, 2020, 09:20:16 PM
Looks alright to me. I'd put feeds on the stock rails of the turnouts too, but that's just me being finicky.

Okay, me being thick here...

...which bits are the stock rails?
Title: Re: Wiring help please!
Post by: LASteve on June 11, 2020, 09:23:43 PM
The two outside ones that the blades touch against when they're moved from one side to the other.
Title: Re: Wiring help please!
Post by: emjaybee on June 11, 2020, 09:27:45 PM
Quote from: LASteve on June 11, 2020, 09:23:43 PM
The two outside ones that the blades touch against when they're moved from one side to the other.

Aah, okay, thanks. I'll probably leave those. I concede that would be a belt and braces approach, but should it be a issue I, or he, can deal with it, either with a retro wire, or by soldering fishplates.

The main purpose behind this is to give him something to create. He has a gorgeous 00 gauge Sentinel shunter that is screaming out for this kind of thing.
Title: Re: Wiring help please!
Post by: Malc on June 11, 2020, 10:47:15 PM
Just as a point of interest, you could dispense with the top red and bottom black on the RHS. They are part of the same rails as the power feeds.
Title: Re: Wiring help please!
Post by: emjaybee on June 11, 2020, 11:15:04 PM
Quote from: Malc on June 11, 2020, 10:47:15 PM
Just as a point of interest, you could dispense with the top red and bottom black on the RHS. They are part of the same rails as the power feeds.

By George, so I could! Hmm,  I may leave it in as a 'backup' for the other end of the turnouts.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Wiring help please!
Post by: Bealman on June 11, 2020, 11:20:19 PM
You rang?

Oh no, obviously not.  :dunce:

Everything is under control!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wiring help please!
Post by: emjaybee on June 11, 2020, 11:52:15 PM
It's a worry.

:smackedface:
Title: Re: Wiring help please!
Post by: Platy767 on June 12, 2020, 05:03:57 AM
...and if you really want to keep it simple you only need the single left hand feed and no insulating joiners - all conductive.

The disadvantage is that one of the sidings will be hot, but if the single left hand feed is switched it can all be dead.

I'm impatient, and would probably do it this way!

Mark
Title: Re: Wiring help please!
Post by: chrism on June 12, 2020, 06:37:29 AM
Quote from: Platy767 on June 12, 2020, 05:03:57 AM
...and if you really want to keep it simple you only need the single left hand feed and no insulating joiners - all conductive.

Indeed.

QuoteThe disadvantage is that one of the sidings will be hot,

Unless the user wants to "shunt" multiple locos, does that matter for a shunting plank?

Quotebut if the single left hand feed is switched it can all be dead.

As easy as switching the controller off.

Title: Re: Wiring help please!
Post by: Newportnobby on June 12, 2020, 09:55:11 AM
Agree. One feed only at the LHS
Simples.
Title: Re: Wiring help please!
Post by: Bealman on June 12, 2020, 09:58:26 AM
I was going to suggest isolating sections at the ends of the sidings, but that's probably overkill and they look too short anyway.
Title: Re: Wiring help please!
Post by: Newportnobby on June 12, 2020, 10:13:20 AM
It's the shortness of the sidings that makes me query the need for separate feeds as there's no room to run anything in a siding while something else is running.
Title: Re: Wiring help please!
Post by: emjaybee on June 12, 2020, 10:31:05 AM
Blimey, this topic got hot suddenly!

It's a shunting plank.

My father has a 14'x 3' (+ bits at the end to loop back) layout which was started in '73, and which he declared he'd done all he could to it in about 2015. He doesn't want to rip it up, but tinkering with it involves leaning over it as you can't get legs under as it's built on cupboards. He has a really bad back, and I was worried he'd make it worse and get frustrated by trying to work on the layout.

So I'm making this for him for father's day, it can sit on his desk, or the dining table and he can work on it sitting comfortably.

It'll only be one loco at a time, but I was thinking the extra feeds as a more robust/reliable supply as it'll be moved around a bit and there's nothing more frustrating than a bad connection.

Whilst everything mentioned previously is correct and valid, that was my thinking in this instance.

BTW, it's been a while since I handled 00 gauge track...

...it's huge!
Title: Re: Wiring help please!
Post by: Bealman on June 12, 2020, 10:32:07 AM
I was thinking of another engine coming in and releasing an engine at the stops. But the sidings are way too short anyway.
Title: Re: Wiring help please!
Post by: ntpntpntp on June 12, 2020, 11:43:55 AM
DC or DCC?   

Must admit I assumed DCC with all tracks live, given that the original diagram includes the siding feeds and the isolating joiners on frog Vs indicates electrofrog points.

Yes it could all be done with a single feed on the left using blade contact only and no IRJs, but not as reliable perhaps.
Title: Re: Wiring help please!
Post by: emjaybee on June 12, 2020, 12:02:46 PM
Sorry, should have mentioned it'll be a goods yard and DC. The extra feeds, as previously stated, are more for robustness, although they could be used in the future for DCC.