Hi Folks,
Despite being born after the death of Hornby Dublo, I have always had a great affection for Mecanno's table top railway. The original locomotives released by Graham Farish in Poole were very similar with their die-cast bodies and so on. As I mentioned in another post, I thought it would be interesting to see how close you can get to the Hornby Dublo range in British N gauge. So with my trust copy of Michael Foster's book Hornby Dublo Trains the journey begins...
Comments and suggestions are always welcome.
Many thanks
Paddy
Dream | Believe | Achieve
Always good to have another N gauge modeller but I wonder why you don't use OO. Surely it would be closer to Hornby Dublin ?
Hi Bob ( @BobB (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=762) )
Always been an N gauge modeller and I am not thinking of changing scales. I just love the nostalgia of the Hornby Dublo age. I thought it would be interesting to see how much of that magic can be recreated in N gauge.
Kind regards
Paddy
Great idea, Paddy!
If you fancy including Wrenn as well, you can have an original 'WC'/'BB', 'Royal Scot' and the 'Brighton Belle'.
Wrenn also announced, but did not introduce, a '45xx' and an Adams 'Radial'.
Hornby Dublo was, I understand, working on a 'V2'.
I think this is a splendid project and will be following with interest.
Best wishes.
John
I like the old HD stuff. Don't have much of it (a Silver King and an oval of 3-rail) but it appeals to the collector side of my interests. As a lad I was jealous of my mate's heavy Wrenn locos on his Triang layout.
Ibertren's original N gauge system was 3-rail, but the track is stud-contact rather than a solid rail so looks more like old Marklin stuff than HD.
I reckon to represent HD track you could use one of the pre-ballasted systems such as Unitrack or Fleischmann, add a 3rd rail using FineTrax's code 40 flat bottom rail so that it sits below running rail height. I used some code 40 for additional check/guide rails across a bridge.
I wonder if any of the old Lonestar metal buildings would evoke the same look as HD buildings?
Quote from: ntpntpntp on April 16, 2020, 01:39:58 PM
I wonder if any of the old Lonestar metal buildings would evoke the same look as HD buildings?
I reckon you are right Nick!
I had a Lone Star Island platform that was a half sized version of the HD one.
I have recently seen some of the old Lonestar in Antique Shops
Mizzy Gizzy has some HD platforms which we will use on our 60's Tri-Ang layout....
Hi Folks,
Here is the first slide detailing the Hornby Dublo GNR N2 Class Tank.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/356-190420124747.jpeg)
Next will be the LNER A4 Class Pacific 4-6-2.
Comments and suggestions are always welcome.
Many thanks
Paddy
Dream | Believe | Achieve
Hi Folks,
Slide detailing the Hornby Dublo LNER A4 Class Pacific 4-6-2.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/356-190420124806.jpeg)
Next will be the LMSR Coronation Class Pacific 4-6-2.
Comments and suggestions are always welcome.
Many thanks
Paddy
Dream | Believe | Achieve
Hi John ( @Train Waiting (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6222) )
Quote from: Train Waiting on April 16, 2020, 01:26:00 PM
Great idea, Paddy!
Seems like a good use of my time given the current circumstances. Plus I felt like a break from modelling - the crane took a lot out of me! :(
Quote from: Train Waiting on April 16, 2020, 01:26:00 PM
If you fancy including Wrenn as well, you can have an original 'WC'/'BB', 'Royal Scot' and the 'Brighton Belle'.
Wrenn also announced, but did not introduce, a '45xx' and an Adams 'Radial'.
I had forgotten about Wrenn but will add it to the list along with Tri-ang OO and TT.
Quote from: Train Waiting on April 16, 2020, 01:26:00 PM
Hornby Dublo was, I understand, working on a 'V2'.
It is a while since I read Michael's Dublo book but if memory serves there is a chapter on "proposed but not released models".
Kind regards
Paddy
Quote from: ntpntpntp on April 16, 2020, 01:39:58 PM
I wonder if any of the old Lonestar metal buildings would evoke the same look as HD buildings?
Lone*Star did release a signal box which looked very similar to the Horby Dublo one. I have no idea of its scale relative to modern day N gauge though.
Kind regards
Paddy
Quote from: Gizzy on April 16, 2020, 01:55:10 PM
I had a Lone Star Island platform that was a half sized version of the HD one.
I have recently seen some of the old Lonestar in Antique Shops
Always tons of Lonestar on ebay
Quote from: Paddy on April 16, 2020, 02:28:02 PM
Lone*Star did release a signal box which looked very similar to the Horby Dublo one. I have no idea of its scale relative to modern day N gauge though.
Grabbed a couple of things from the display cabinet...
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/5885-160420152347.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91063)
Photos from the net:
Lonestar...
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p34/nick-jones-lesney-matchbox/lsl/DSC01414.jpg)
HD...
(https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/32101Dublo_3215417_Qty1_1.jpg)
Lonestar...
(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/113438931542_/1957-LONE-STAR-LOCOS-TREBLE-O-TRAINS-000.jpg)
HD...
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1465/8204/products/IMG_0787_b986b3bf-ad91-4b16-9594-489114444849_1024x1024.JPG?v=1548558404)
Hi Nick,
Very nice but I was actually thinking of this one:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/202962715998 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/202962715998)
Maybe the eBay one is not Lone*Star.
Kind regards
Paddy
@Paddy (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=356) don't think that is Lonestar at all. Never seen that particular building.
Not sure, possibly a very early european kit (maybe GDR made) or perhaps from a cheapo plastic train set?
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/LP4AAOSwsideWqFu/s-l1600.jpg)
[edit] I see what you mean about the similarity with HD though, so maybe it's from a British train set at least?
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/V4oAAOSwKY9ehjcV/s-l1600.jpg)
Here's a couple I made earlier!
Cheers
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/3453-160420161045.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91065)
Hi @Paddy (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=356) , just caught up with this.
Cool!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Those two wagons are very well done, @CliveH (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3453) .
Looks like we have a like-minded modeller! :thumbsup:
Hi Folks,
Slide detailing the Hornby Dublo Coronation Class Pacific 4-6-2.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/356-190420124821.jpeg)
I raised the following question on the A4 slide and wonder if anyone can answer it?
Found a photo on Google of a Farish (Poole) - Kingfisher, BR Green 60024, Late Crest, No side valances but no other details. Was this released?
Next will be the BR Standard 4MT Class Tank 2-6-4T.
Comments and suggestions are always welcome.
Many thanks
Paddy
Dream | Believe | Achieve
I don't mean to hijack this thread but I do have some information about the signal boxes referenced above.
The plastic signal box on eBay that looks like the Hornby Dublo version is definitely NOT a Lone Star item. The Lone Star signal box was red and white diecast metal as shown in ntpntpntp's post.
According to Donald Troost, who has extensively documented Lone Star model railway products, it is probable that the plastic signal box on eBay was distributed between 1962-64 by a company called Randal & Wood. They had a product line called "Linda" and had the train models made in plastic in Hong Kong by a company called Blue-Box.
Randall & Wood "borrowed", shall we say, designs made by other companies, primarily Lone Star.
In Donald Troost's book, the plastic signal box is listed under Linda model #77019 as a white signal box with orange roof and described as a "scaled down Hornby 00 signal box". Comparing the two photos in ntpntpntp's post above, the similarity is obvious.
I have a few Linda products including the Goods Set, the Passenger Pullman Set and the Station. The similarities between these Linda products and the range of Lone Star items is amazing. The Linda models that I have include models based on Lone Star's 0-6-0 tank loco, the Princess loco, passenger coaches, flat truck, Shell tank wagon, open wagon and the station. The "Pullman" coaches were simply plastic copies of the Lone Star main line coaches coloured in cream and brown.
Although the Linda models were similar to Lone Star there were differences. One of the main disparities was that the steam locos were all 0-4-0's! The 4-6-2 Princess loco looks particularly strange as an 0-4-0!
According to Troost, the Randall & Wood range was short lived and may have been terminated as a result of threatened legal action by Lone Star. The range was taken over and further developed by Blue-Box.
Posted below are a few items from my Linda collection (some still in their original cellophane wrapping). Note the similarities between the station (in a Blue-Box box, if you know what I mean) and the Lone Star station posted by ntpntpntp above.
Ian
Linda / Blue-Box Plastic Station
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/3276-180420203852.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91223)
Linda Goods Set (with 0-4-0 tank loco)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/3276-180420204110.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91224)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/3276-180420204212.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91225)
Linda Pullman Set (with 0-4-0 Princess loco)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/3276-180420204323.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91226)
Yes that makes sense. I can remember being bought a very small train set as a very young boy in the early 60s - I think it was actually a Santa's Grotto prezzie or something like that. A couple of the cheap plastic wagons were similar to those shown and survived for quite a while in my toybox.
Hi @icairns (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3276)
Thank you for adding your excellent addition. Absolutely fascinating.
Kind regards
Paddy
Looks like you were spot on @icairns (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3276), see the following:
https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/special-auction-services/catalogue-id-srspe10259/lot-ee7b9bc4-107c-44f5-b6e9-a8c800e097c7 (https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/special-auction-services/catalogue-id-srspe10259/lot-ee7b9bc4-107c-44f5-b6e9-a8c800e097c7)
Kind regards
Paddy
@Paddy (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=356)
One thing that got me scratching my head as I remember Hornby Dublo track had three rails, are you going to model Kato track and replicate this feature to make it look authentic?
Regarding the signal box and other features I just come across this video that may help you further.
Good luck with the project. :thumbsup:
@Mr Sprue (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2668) yeah, as I suggested back near the start of the thread. I actually think Fleischmann track would be a better basis, with something like FineTrax' code 40 rail used for the centre rail. It would give the right look but the not interfere with running or cleaning.
[edit] Alternatively the Tomix track might be good, it has a narrower footprint than Unitrack so the sleepers are closer to the edge like HD track.
You'd have to paint the track yellow to replicate the Dublo tinplate stuff!
Quote from: Paddy on April 17, 2020, 07:54:10 PM
I raised the following question on the A4 slide and wonder if anyone can answer it?
Found a photo on Google of a Farish (Poole) - Kingfisher, BR Green 60024, Late Crest, No side valances but no other details. Was this released?
No sign of it on page 10 of the attached, Paddy
Quote from: Bealman on April 19, 2020, 09:38:11 AM
You'd have to paint the track yellow to replicate the Dublo tinplate stuff!
That's a good point, sod having to do that job! :worried:
Quote from: Mr Sprue on April 19, 2020, 10:22:16 AM
Quote from: Bealman on April 19, 2020, 09:38:11 AM
You'd have to paint the track yellow to replicate the Dublo tinplate stuff!
That's a good point, sod having to do that job! :worried:
I reckon a light dusting with suitable umber / ochre mix would help, then over the top lightly with a dark weathering/dirt.
I'm tempted to have a go if I can find a spare bit of Fleischmann. I've got some code 40 for the centre rail. I've got a few bits of old HD track for a guide. I could sit my Ibertren 3-rail locos on it :D
Quote from: ntpntpntp on April 19, 2020, 10:29:07 AM
Quote from: Mr Sprue on April 19, 2020, 10:22:16 AM
Quote from: Bealman on April 19, 2020, 09:38:11 AM
You'd have to paint the track yellow to replicate the Dublo tinplate stuff!
That's a good point, sod having to do that job! :worried:
I reckon a light dusting with suitable umber / ochre mix would help, then over the top lightly with a dark weathering/dirt.
I'm tempted to have a go if I can find a spare bit of Fleischmann. I've got some code 40 for the centre rail. I've got a few bits of old HD track for a guide. I could sit my Ibertren 3-rail locos on it :D
Or maybe Adam could make some vinyl overlays, but on second thoughts that might lift from track cleaner etc and cause a major derailment!
Quote from: Newportnobby on April 19, 2020, 10:04:56 AM
Quote from: Paddy on April 17, 2020, 07:54:10 PM
I raised the following question on the A4 slide and wonder if anyone can answer it?
Found a photo on Google of a Farish (Poole) - Kingfisher, BR Green 60024, Late Crest, No side valances but no other details. Was this released?
No sign of it on page 10 of the attached, Paddy
Hi @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264),
Thank you for the document - what a great resource.
You can see the Farish (Poole) A4 Kingfisher here:
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/graham-farish-a4-kingfisher-br-green-313754051 (https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/graham-farish-a4-kingfisher-br-green-313754051)
May be it is a renumbering? It is very well done though.
Kind regards
Paddy
Quote from: Mr Sprue on April 19, 2020, 08:56:37 AM
@Paddy (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=356)
One thing that got me scratching my head as I remember Hornby Dublo track had three rails, are you going to model Kato track and replicate this feature to make it look authentic?
Regarding the signal box and other features I just come across this video that may help you further.
Good luck with the project. :thumbsup:
Hi @Mr Sprue (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2668),
Great video and Hornby Dublo at its finest. Just to be clear, my plan is not to build an Dublo layout (although that is an interesting idea!) but rather recreate their rolling stock in RTR N gauge.
Kind regards
Paddy
Hi Folks,
OK, I have completed the review of the Hornby Dublo locomotives and whether they can be modelled in N gauge. What have I found...
1. I am very surprised by how few locomotives Hornby Dublo actually released. It is only when you go through Michael Foster's book you realise the slim pickings the folks in the 1950/60s had. We are definitely very spoilt even in N gauge.
2. British N gauge can represent several of the Hornby Dublo classes i.e. A4 (with and without valances), Coronation Pacific, 4MT Tank, Castle, 8F and West Country (sort of).
3. We do not currently have RTR versions of the N2 Tank, R1 Tank or West Country (although Dapol have announced their desire to release this model in the future).
4. Sadly, despite (2) we are less well served with actual N gauge representations of released (or planned) Hornby Dublo locomotives. We can match 5 x A4s, 4 x Coronations and 1 x 4MT (but this is the terrible LIMA model).
For completeness, I have added a set of the slides to this post (if anyone would like this in PDF format then just let me know).
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/356-190420124730.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/356-240420121357.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/356-190420124747.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/356-190420124806.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/356-190420124821.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/356-190420124840.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/356-190420124858.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/356-190420124915.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/356-190420124941.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/356-240420121428.jpeg)
Next task will be to review the Hornby Dublo rolling stock.
Comments and suggestions are always welcome.
Many thanks
Paddy
Dream | Believe | Achieve
Thank you very much for this, Paddy. Your data sheets are exceptionally good.
You make a very good point about the range of Hornby-Dublo locomotives being small; eight steam and four (I think) diesel. I suppose that the range covered every Christmas from, say, age seven until being sold to finance the purchase of a motorcycle at 16! I have a notion that today's enormous ranges, especially in '00', are as a result of the hobby having moved in the direction of what the boxes call, 'Adult Collectors'.
I look forward to the rolling stock ones in due course.
And @Mr Sprue (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2668) , thank you so much for that film. The layout captures the very essence of why I became interested in model railways. I'm going to watch it again this evening!
Best wishes.
John
Quote from: Paddy on April 19, 2020, 12:59:50 PM
Just to be clear, my plan is not to build an Dublo layout (although that is an interesting idea!) but rather recreate their rolling stock in RTR N gauge.
Aaaaww... I had visions of something like @Train Waiting (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6222) 's Poppingham but with a 3rd rail added :D
Yeah, me too! :(
Quote from: Train Waiting on April 19, 2020, 02:07:51 PM
Thank you very much for this, Paddy. Your data sheets are exceptionally good.
You make a very good point about the range of Hornby-Dublo locomotives being small; eight steam and four (I think) diesel. I suppose that the range covered every Christmas from, say, age seven until being sold to finance the purchase of a motorcycle at 16! I have a notion that today's enormous ranges, especially in '00', are as a result of the hobby having moved in the direction of what the boxes call, 'Adult Collectors'.
I look forward to the rolling stock ones in due course.
And @Mr Sprue (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2668) , thank you so much for that film. The layout captures the very essence of why I became interested in model railways. I'm going to watch it again this evening!
Best wishes.
John
Hi John ( @Train Waiting (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6222) )
Thank you for reminding me - totally forgot about the diesels. :doh:
These will be done BEFORE the rolling stock.
Please accept my apologies for the oversight.
Kind regards
Paddy
Quote from: ntpntpntp on April 19, 2020, 02:17:08 PM
Quote from: Paddy on April 19, 2020, 12:59:50 PM
Just to be clear, my plan is not to build an Dublo layout (although that is an interesting idea!) but rather recreate their rolling stock in RTR N gauge.
Aaaaww... I had visions of something like @Train Waiting (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6222) 's Poppingham but with a 3rd rail added :D
Hi Nick ( @ntpntpntp (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5885) ) and @Bealman (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=255)
It is a lovely idea but I am still very committed to completing
HOLLERTON JUNCTION before starting another layout. Mind you, I do like the idea of
Poppingham very much as it is just fun.
Kind regards
Paddy
Paddy
Thanks for your link to the Linda Products auction. I had not seen that before
I believe that the green diesel in the foreground of the picture (copied below) in the link is the Linda / Blue-Box version of the prototype Deltic. Although Lone Star made a baby Deltic, the Hong Kong version probably owes more to the Hornby Dublo "Crepello" Deltic with front headlights added. Note that the Hong Kong version is a Bo-Bo rather than a Co-Co.
Ian
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/3276-190420153130.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91300)
Just for fun.... :)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/5885-190420155113.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91302)
Quote from: ntpntpntp on April 19, 2020, 09:11:29 AM
@Mr Sprue (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2668) yeah, as I suggested back near the start of the thread. I actually think Fleischmann track would be a better basis, with something like FineTrax' code 40 rail used for the centre rail. It would give the right look but the not interfere with running or cleaning.
[edit] Alternatively the Tomix track might be good, it has a narrower footprint than Unitrack so the sleepers are closer to the edge like HD track.
Tomix track was originally manufactured with an orange-brown-ish base which looks fairly close in colour to the HD track pictured. They switched to the grey base 15~20 years ago. The old track is available in copious amounts on the second hand market, though shipping it would be a bit of a challenge at the moment.
(Very early Kato track used to have a brown-ish base as well, but that's much harder to find).
Quote from: railsquid on April 19, 2020, 03:58:04 PM
Tomix track was originally manufactured with an orange-brown-ish base which looks fairly close in colour to the HD track pictured. They switched to the grey base 15~20 years ago. The old track is available in copious amounts on the second hand market, though shipping it would be a bit of a challenge at the moment.
(Very early Kato track used to have a brown-ish base as well, but that's much harder to find).
Interesting, wasn't aware of brown Tomix. I do have a set of Unitrack points in brown, they came from Rails of Sheffield's "Vault".
The brown stuff always reminds me of the brown Triang TT track a friend had.
Quote from: ntpntpntp on April 19, 2020, 04:03:45 PM
Quote from: railsquid on April 19, 2020, 03:58:04 PM
Tomix track was originally manufactured with an orange-brown-ish base which looks fairly close in colour to the HD track pictured. They switched to the grey base 15~20 years ago. The old track is available in copious amounts on the second hand market, though shipping it would be a bit of a challenge at the moment.
(Very early Kato track used to have a brown-ish base as well, but that's much harder to find).
Interesting, wasn't aware of brown Tomix. I do have a set of Unitrack points in brown, they came from Rails of Sheffield's "Vault".
The brown stuff always reminds me of the brown Triang TT track a friend had.
As I had a length of rail to hand...
(https://japan-train-blog.infogogo.com/static/misc/brown-tomix-track-example.jpg)
Quote from: Paddy on April 19, 2020, 03:17:14 PM
Thank you for reminding me - totally forgot about the diesels. :doh:
@Paddy (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=356) Here is a resource for checking the N gauge diesels
http://ngauge.org.uk/index.php (http://ngauge.org.uk/index.php)
Quote from: ntpntpntp on April 19, 2020, 02:17:08 PM
Quote from: Paddy on April 19, 2020, 12:59:50 PM
Just to be clear, my plan is not to build an Dublo layout (although that is an interesting idea!) but rather recreate their rolling stock in RTR N gauge.
Aaaaww... I had visions of something like @Train Waiting (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6222) 's Poppingham but with a 3rd rail added :D
I'm gutted too! :(
Thanks @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) - I will take a look tomorrow.
I have been reading Michael Foster's chapter on the Dublo diesels. Class 20 and DELTIC so far. Seems the 3-Rail Class 20 was a fantastic model but the 3-Rail version was a dog. As for the DELTIC - it was a scale 10 feet too short!
Love the imitation 3 rail track @railsquid (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3832) and @ntpntpntp (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5885).
Am I right in thinking that electrically the 3 rail system is better/simpler than 2 rail? I get that it is not as realistic but maybe Dublo would have been better sticking with it and producing a new range of track with less obtrusive middle rail (studs?).
Kind regards
Paddy
Quote from: Paddy on April 19, 2020, 07:06:18 PM
Am I right in thinking that electrically the 3 rail system is better/simpler than 2 rail?
Well, you can do things like reverse loops in 3-rail without worrying about short circuits etc. when both outside rails are the same polarity. Not sure about Trix Twin though, which kept the outside rails separate electrically so that two trains could be run on teh same track.
Skate pickups are probably better than just rolling wheel contact, the sliding action helps to keep clean. There's a reason LGB garden locos have skates :)
Quote
I get that it is not as realistic but maybe Dublo would have been better sticking with it and producing a new range of track with less obtrusive middle rail (studs?).
Maerklin 3-rail with stud contact is still going. But, being different does prevent interoperability between systems. Brands like Maerklin have very loyal followers, but being too insular can end up being a problem. In general I would think railway modellers want to be able to mix and match, plus of course the general opinion that 2 rail is more realistic.
Harking right back to my first reply, remember that Ibertren started out their N gauge system as 3 rail stud contact. I think they then suffered due to being incompatible, plus to be honest the mechanisms weren't brilliant. I have a 3 rail set and a couple of other locos. They work but it's like running 1970s Lima in terms of running qualities, with bogie diesels powered one end only and picking up from the other end. (As an aside, even the later 2 rail Ibertren multiple units I have run with what I would describe as a slightly better made "clone" of the old Lima pancake motor bogie design).
Quote from: ntpntpntp on April 19, 2020, 03:51:57 PM
Just for fun.... :)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/5885-190420155113.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91302)
That is great!!! I see you produced your three rail track! :thumbsup:
Quote from: railsquid on April 19, 2020, 04:12:11 PM
Quote from: ntpntpntp on April 19, 2020, 04:03:45 PM
Quote from: railsquid on April 19, 2020, 03:58:04 PM
Tomix track was originally manufactured with an orange-brown-ish base which looks fairly close in colour to the HD track pictured. They switched to the grey base 15~20 years ago. The old track is available in copious amounts on the second hand market, though shipping it would be a bit of a challenge at the moment.
(Very early Kato track used to have a brown-ish base as well, but that's much harder to find).
Interesting, wasn't aware of brown Tomix. I do have a set of Unitrack points in brown, they came from Rails of Sheffield's "Vault".
The brown stuff always reminds me of the brown Triang TT track a friend had.
As I had a length of rail to hand...
(https://japan-train-blog.infogogo.com/static/misc/brown-tomix-track-example.jpg)
That track looks most definitely Hornby Dubloish! :thumbsup:
(Got use my new invented word again)
Hi Folks,
Sorry for the delay in uploading the next installment but I have been struggling for the last few days. Not sure why, just lost my mojo! :uneasy:
As promised, here are the slide covering the Hornby Dublo Diesel-Electric locomotives.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/356-240420121443.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/356-240420121458.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/356-240420121514.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/356-240420121532.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/356-240420121546.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/356-240420121603.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/356-270420125918.jpeg)
As you can see, I have made a start on the Hornby Dublo Electric locomotives as well. Michael Fosters' book makes very interesting reading and sort of shatters the impregnable reputation for quality that HD have. A number of their locomotives were poorly received back in the day and known for poor running.
Comments and suggestions are always welcome.
Many thanks
Paddy
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Hi Folks,
Here are the remaining slides covering the Hornby Dublo locomotives (I have also attached the deck as a PDF).
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/356-270420125937.jpeg)
Here is an additional overview slide - as you can see there is not a huge overlap between British N Gauge and Hornby Dublo locomotives.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/356-270420130807.jpeg)
Comments and suggestions are always welcome.
Many thanks
Paddy
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In Michael Foster's book there is the following Maccano Publicity photo for their E3000 electric locomotive:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/356-270420131532.jpeg)
It instantly reminded me of John's ( @Train Waiting (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6222) ) wonderful Poppingham Table Top Railway. :)
Kind regards
Paddy
Thank you very much, Paddy, for that lovely compliment. That's pretty much 'the look' (semi-scenic, I call it) I'm attempting to achieve. I really like the train. Diesels (GWR railcars excepted) are banned on Poppingham. But electrics are different. I hope you don't mind a quotation from C Hamilton Ellis, writing about Camden Loco in 1965. 'It is under a diesel regency just now, but one looks forward to the accession of the electric locomotive, who is at least a lady.'*
Thanks again and all good wishes.
John
*C Hamilton Ellis, The Splendour of Steam, George Allen & Unwin Ltd, 1965, p17.
@Paddy (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=356)
Hi Folks,
The documenting of the Hornby Dublo range and their nearest N gauge equivalents continues!
Attached is the latest version of the deck which now includes the Hornby Dublo LNER, LMS, British Railways Standard and Suburban coaches. The LNER coaches are a strange one as they do not look like Gresley teaks. In appearance they are closer to the original generic Farish (Poole) coaches - what do you think? Do you think these equivalents should also include the Minitrix and Dapol Gresley coaches?
Comments and suggestions are always welcome.
Many thanks
Paddy
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Hi Folks,
The documenting of the Hornby Dublo range and their nearest N gauge equivalents continues.
The attached deck now contains:
* Locomotives
* Overview
* Steam
* Diesel-Electric
* Electric
* Coaches
* LNER
* LMS Coaches
* British Railways Mainline Coaches
* British Railways Suburban Coaches
* TPO Mail Van
* Goods Wagons
* Pre-Nationalisation Goods Wagons
* 5 Plank Opens
* 12T Covered Vans
* 20T/25T Brake Vans
* Tanks - Petrol/Oil
* Cattle Trucks
* Meat Vans
* Fish Van
* Horse Box
... and we have yet to get to the super-detailed plastic wagons and later coaches!
Comments and suggestions are always welcome.
Many thanks
Paddy
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Hi Folks,
The documenting of the Hornby Dublo range and their nearest N gauge equivalents continues. This marks the completion of the tinplate era (I think) as the next chapter in Michael Fosters' book covers the Super-Detail range. If you spot any errors/omissions then please let me know.
The attached deck now contains:
* Locomotives
* Overview
* Steam
* Diesel-Electric
* Electric
* Coaches
* Coaches (Tinplate)
* LNER Coaches
* LMSR Coaches
* British Railways Eastern Region Coaches
* British Railways Mainline Coaches
* British Railways Suburban Coaches
* TPO Mail Van
* Goods Wagons (Tinplate)
* Pre-Nationalisation
* Brake Van
* 20T Brake Van (GWR, LMSR & LNER)
* 25T Brake Van (SR)
* Box Van
* 12T Covered Van (GWR, LMSR, LNER & SR)
* 8T Cattle Truck (GWR & LMSR)
* 10T Fish Van (LNER)
* 6T Meat Van (LMSR)
* 10T Meat Van (SR)
* Open Wagon
* 12T 5-Plank Open (GWR, LMSR, LNER & SR)
* 12T 7-Plank Open (LMSR & LNER)
* 50T 6-Plank Bogie Brick (LNER)
* Tank - Oil
* Royal Daylight (Red)
* Tank - Petrol
* ESSO (Yellow)
* Power Ethyl (Green)
* Horse Box (LNER)
* BR (Post Nationalisation)
* Brake Van
* 14T Brake Van (WR)
* 20T Brake Van (MR & NER)
* Box Van
* 12T Coverd Van (BR)
* 8T Cattle Truck (BR)
* 10T Fish Van (NER)
* 10T Meat Van (SR)
* 10T LWB Ventialated Van MINK D (WR)
* Open Wagon
* 12T 5-Plank Open (NER)
* 12T 7-Plank Open (MR)
* 16T Steel Mineral (BR)
* 20T Tube Wagon (WR)
* 21T Double Bolster (BR)
* 30T Bogie Bolster (MR)
* 40T Bogie WELTROL (BR)
* 50T 6-Plank Bogie Brick (NER)
* Low-Sided Wagon
* 10T Low-Sided/Cable Drums (MR)
* 13T Low-Sided (BR)
* Container Wagon
* Furniture Container (BR)
* INSUL-MEANT Container (BR)
* Tank - Oil
* ESSO (Silver)
* Mobilgas Vacuum Oil Company Limited (Red)
* Mobil OIL COMPANY LIMITED (Red)
* Mobil (Red)
* Royal Daylight ESSO Parafin (Red)
* SHELL Lubricating Oil (Yellow)
* Tank - Petrol
* Power Petrol (Green)
* Horse Box (ER)
Comments and suggestions are always welcome.
Many thanks
Paddy
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Thank you very much for all this diligent research, Paddy.
I'm finding it very helpful indeed.
And the presentation is excellent!
All best wishes.
John
Hi Folks,
For Father's Day my daughter bought me a couple of the PECO NR-997 CONFLAT BR White Refrigerator Container.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/95/356-230620112616.jpeg)
As you can see, these PECO wagons are very similar to the Hornby Dublo 4648 Low-sided Wagon with Insulated Meat Container.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/95/356-230620112407.jpeg)
So I class these as my first "official" N gauge Hornby Dublo rolling stock! ;)
The PECO wagons are a limited edition available from AGR Model Railways:
https://www.agrmodelrailwaystore.co.uk/n-gauge-wagons/peco-nr-997-n-gauge-conflat-br-with-refrigerator-container-agr-special-edition (https://www.agrmodelrailwaystore.co.uk/n-gauge-wagons/peco-nr-997-n-gauge-conflat-br-with-refrigerator-container-agr-special-edition)
Kind regards
Paddy
Hi Paddy
Fascinating project. Across railway modelling there seem to be many models of models!
You've not mentioned the Prestwin (https://www.hattons.co.uk/484153/hornby_dublo_4658dublo_po01_prestwin_silo_wagon_in_br_bauxite_pre_owned_replacement_box/stockdetail.aspx)
I know you converted a Lima continental equivalent a while back. I might soon be able to help (https://www.shapeways.com/product/NTAVRZRW7/2x-n-gauge-20t-prestwin-silo-wagons) with an N Gauge equivalent ...
I'm also reminded of their Traffic Services anchor-mounted tank, which I modelled an ICI equivalent of recently. (https://www.shapeways.com/product/6YRJQT8SQ/2x-n-gauge-20t-class-b-anchor-mounted-tank)
Mike
Hi Mike ( @maridunian (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2947) )
Those wagons of yours look really good - well done Sir. I am still working through documenting the HD Super-Detailed wagons, it is a labour of love.
Kind regards
Paddy
An interesting thread, Paddy.
I acquired one of those insulated meat container wagons from AGR Models a while ago.
Over the years I have had a few models from OO scale reproduced for me in N-gauge by Robbie's Rollingstock .... including some of the Bachmann Collectors club wagons that were produced before they started doing Graham Farish versions as well.
https://flic.kr/s/aHsjKCwjWD
Hi Folks,
Please find attached the latest version of my documenting of the Hornby Dublo range and its N gauge equivalents. The document now includes the Hornby Dublo Super Detailed wagon range. The next chapter in Michael Foster's book covers the Super Detail coaches.
Comments and suggestions are always welcome.
Many thanks
Paddy
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Hi Folks,
Please find attached the latest version of my documentation of the Hornby Dublo range and its N gauge equivalents. The document now includes the Hornby Dublo Super Detailed Coach range.
It was interesting to read contemporary reviews of the Dublo models in Michael Foster's book. The same points/arguments were being made then as now e.g. "reasonable model but it would be much better if...". As I mentioned on John's ( @Train Waiting (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6222) ) thread, it is fascinating how each release added to the overall system.
As an example, HD released the Restaurant Car Unclassified (RU) which was an unusual choice as this coach was often paired with an Open coach on the real railway. HD went to the lengths of providing MK1 first and second open coaches so realistic formations could be assembled. May be it was not so unusual as it provided the opportunity to sell supporting vehicles. As you can imagine, Meccano Magazine (and reviews) provided this prototypical information at the time.
Comments and suggestions are always welcome.
Many thanks
Paddy
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Hi Folks,
Please find attached the latest version of my documentation of the Hornby Dublo range and its N gauge equivalents. The document now includes the Hornby Dublo Dinky Toys Vehicles range. This small (14 distinct models) range of toys only lasted a few years and according to Michael Foster were not very popular at the time as they were too small to be "playthings"!
Researching N gauge vehicles is not easy as I did not realise there are so many different suppliers (a lot of thse are kits). If I have missed any manufacturers/models then please let me know.
Comments and suggestions are always welcome.
Many thanks
Paddy
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Quote from: Paddy on July 14, 2020, 02:59:53 PM
Hi Folks,
Please find attached the latest version of my documentation of the Hornby Dublo range and its N gauge equivalents. The document now includes the Hornby Dublo Dinky Toys Vehicles range. This small (14 distinct models) range of toys only lasted a few years and according to Michael Foster were not very popular at the time as they were too small to be "playthings"!
Researching N gauge vehicles is not easy as I did not realise there are so many different suppliers (a lot of thse are kits). If I have missed any manufacturers/models then please let me know.
Comments and suggestions are always welcome.
Many thanks
Paddy
Dream | Believe | Achieve
This is absolutely fascinating.
Thank you very much.
Best wishes.
John
Hi John ( @Train Waiting (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6222) )
Glad you are enjoying my jottings. :)
Coming to the end of Michael's book now - the last section I believe will be Dublo "never wazas". We then move on to Tri-Ang TT!
Kind regards
Paddy
Hi Folks,
Interesting to note that of the six vehicles that Hornby have released as Dublo Diecast (to celebrate their centenary) only one is an actual replica from Dublo Dinkys...
https://railsofsheffield.com/groups/3127/centenary-dublo-diecast?utm_source=Mailing+List&utm_campaign=821fde91ef-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_07_21_03_28&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_74d01bc2ed-821fde91ef-5326717
Kind regards
Paddy
Hi Folks,
Please find attached the latest version (1.0.0) of my documentation of the Hornby Dublo range and its N gauge equivalents. This completes the review of Michael Foster's book (which I can highly recommend) and the deck now includes Proposed Hornby Dublo Rolling Stock that never made it to market. There are some very interesting ideas that HD were pipped to the post by Tri-Ang and others.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/History-Hornby-Dublo-Trains-1938-1964/dp/0904568180/ref=sr_1_1?child=1&keywords=michael+foster+hornby+dublo&qid=1595430368&sr=8-1 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/History-Hornby-Dublo-Trains-1938-1964/dp/0904568180/ref=sr_1_1?child=1&keywords=michael+foster+hornby+dublo&qid=1595430368&sr=8-1)
If you spot any typos, errors and/or omissions then please let me know.
Comments and suggestions are always welcome.
Many thanks
Paddy
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