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Title: mach loop clips
Post by: guest311 on November 01, 2019, 07:26:11 PM
just been watching some clips on youtube of aircraft in the mach loop in Wales ....

some USAF F-15s, shot against lovely skies, oblivious didn't want to get too low  [top guns indeed], then a formation of four USAF MC-130s, low over the valleys ...

then a RAF A-400 Atlas,  lovely view of the TOP of the wings as it passed through the valleys below the photographers......

RAF RULES  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: RailGooner on November 01, 2019, 07:29:56 PM
Quote from: class37025 on November 01, 2019, 07:26:11 PM
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RAF RULES  :thumbsup:

You'll get no argument from me on that. :D :beers:
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: guest311 on November 01, 2019, 07:43:23 PM
perhaps it's because they do their training over flat deserts, certainly do not seem to like to see mountains above them on either side  :)

check out the RAF A-400 Atlas at 3:34 on this clip ....

a big plane to fly so low through the loop  :thumbsup:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4J-gj3ers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4J-gj3ers)
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: guest311 on November 01, 2019, 07:47:25 PM
even the USAF 'bus driver' in the C-17 [?] around the 15:00 mark put a lot of the so called top guns to shame  :D
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: RailGooner on November 01, 2019, 08:44:44 PM
Another good clip of the C-17 here (https://youtu.be/0Wzh7Hou30s?t=120).
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: guest311 on November 01, 2019, 08:52:00 PM
and of course the Chinook pilots, who seem to get giddy if they go higher than 250 ft.

always a joy to hear / see them come over us, we seem to be on a route for them, and Apaches, also used to get Merlins, but of course they were passed on to that lot who mess about in boats  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: RailGooner on November 01, 2019, 08:59:16 PM
I must take a trip up there one day soon while my legs still stand a chance of getting me up the hill!
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: guest311 on November 01, 2019, 09:47:35 PM
RAF C-130s at the start of this clip are almost too far down to appreciate ....

wanna be mud movers ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdL1ca0bZsA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdL1ca0bZsA)
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: Lawrence on November 01, 2019, 10:09:27 PM
Some of those clips remind me of when the boss and I were up Aonoch Mor one day. I heard a familiar sound and said to Della, "Thats' a GR1 coming" of course out of habit we both looked up before realising it was hundreds of feet below us  ::) And it was one of my old lot from the RAF's premier Squadron, Après moi le déluge chaps  ;)
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: guest311 on November 02, 2019, 11:42:08 AM
would love to see a Lanc flying through the loop.

so, 617 is premier ?

think I'll go dig a foxhole and hide  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: RailGooner on November 02, 2019, 12:21:08 PM
 :D I'm happy to let Lawrence go uncorrected on that one. :D

I've just been watching a biographical documentary on Rudyard Kipling. Naturally there was much reference to WW1 - "If any question why we died / Tell them, because our fathers lied.". It put me in the mood to have a browse of the RBL's Poppy store. Whichever Branch or Unit of Service in which you served or which you support, you can find a specific Poppy pin for most here (https://www.poppyshop.org.uk/charity-jewellery/service-poppy-lapel-pin.html).
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: guest311 on November 02, 2019, 01:01:16 PM
thanks for link, but couldn't find Snowdrops listed, apart from 3 tac police sdn rauxaf.

managed to get a RAFP pin + poppy pin on fleabay.
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: guest311 on November 02, 2019, 01:56:51 PM
marked difference between the F-15s and GR.4s on this clip ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA4OZdzC-BY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA4OZdzC-BY)

know which I'd want to have my back  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: RailGooner on November 02, 2019, 02:27:22 PM
Loving the 29 Squadron Typhoons in that clip. 8)
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: guest311 on November 02, 2019, 02:40:21 PM
must admit, thought they were fighters, up in the wide blue yonder, not mud movers  :smiley-laughing:

bet most of the RAF a/c had warnings screaming "pull up, pull up, low altitude" while most of the yanks were being reminded to check they were on oxygen due to high altitude  >:D
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: guest311 on November 02, 2019, 02:49:53 PM
still feel RAF rules,

see 1:06 on this, C-130s from Brize, well the penny counters sold their real home, Lyneham, down and dirty showing how to fly the loop, no nice clouds / sky backgrounds here  >:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB4HVn6Rnmk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB4HVn6Rnmk)

lets not forget, these are HGVs, not sports cars like the F-15s  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: guest311 on November 02, 2019, 03:32:35 PM
not sure if the Ospreys are USAF or USMC, but either way they seem ready to get in there, unlike the 'so called' top guns  >:D

amazing how the USAF a/c that actually get down and dirty seem to be the C-130s/ MC130s / C17s, while the 'elite' units pose against the clouds  >:D

or am I being bitchy  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: guest311 on November 02, 2019, 03:50:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT7qrYi8R_M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT7qrYi8R_M)

caution, those of a delicate disposition may need a brown paper bag
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: guest311 on November 02, 2019, 04:35:31 PM
amazed at the sheep ....

whether it's a RAF Chinook at 150ft, a RAF Tornado at 250 ft, a RAF / USAF C-130 /C-17 or RAF A-400 at 350 ft, or  USAF F-15 AT 5.000ft ......

they just keep munching  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: RailGooner on November 02, 2019, 04:38:24 PM
Typhoons of the mighty 29 (XXXX) Squadron again!
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: Lawrence on November 02, 2019, 05:51:01 PM
Quote from: RailGooner on November 02, 2019, 04:38:24 PM
Typhoons of the mighty 29 (XXXX) Squadron again!

Sorry who?  ;)

And for the benefit of @class37025 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=311) I can assure you the airmanship of RAF crews is far and above any other air force, I think you will find that your premise of "bet most of the RAF a/c had warnings screaming "pull up, pull up, low altitude" while most of the yanks were being reminded to check they were on oxygen due to high altitude" is because our engineers serviced the aircraft properly to ensure all systems were at 100% thus reducing the likelihood of the growbag bringing it back bent  ;)
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: guest311 on November 02, 2019, 06:33:45 PM
growbag  :confused1:

:smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: guest311 on November 02, 2019, 06:45:54 PM
let us put all this squadron rivalry to bed once and for all.

when I was at Brize, in the '70s, we had Brits and Belfasts, 511 and 53, if my memory serves correctly, who did all the real work, plus 10 sdn with their VC10s.

it was a widely known fact that .....

in the begining, on day 1, the lord created 10 sdn,
then, on the second day he gave them shiny VC10s to only carry people, no grubby freight which was left to lower beings,
then, on the third day he gave them smart uniforms to wear, no need for them to wear flying overalls like lesser beings,
and the finally on the fourth day he created the world, to give them somewhere to fly their shiny clean aeroplanes


at least, they seemed to believe it  :smiley-laughing:

heading for my shelter now before the war starts , here doggie  >:D
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: RailGooner on November 02, 2019, 07:00:21 PM
Quote from: class37025 on November 02, 2019, 04:35:31 PM
amazed at the sheep ....
...

Amazed that the A487 at Machynlleth doesn't have more pile-ups! :D
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: guest311 on November 02, 2019, 08:16:50 PM
must be disconcerting to glance in your rear view mirror and see a C-130 or A-400 behind you, or glance out of your side window to see a GR.4 or Typhoon alongside, but probably the main risk of an accident is trying to look up through the sunroof to see the F-15 thousands of feet above you  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: guest311 on November 02, 2019, 08:26:13 PM
not at the mach loop, but derwent,

included for @Lawrence (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=16)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olg3Md79Ntc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olg3Md79Ntc)

LUCKILY, NO DELUGE  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: guest311 on November 02, 2019, 08:31:17 PM
and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4H_6_tp42Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4H_6_tp42Y)
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: Lawrence on November 02, 2019, 10:10:34 PM
Quote from: class37025 on November 02, 2019, 08:26:13 PM
not at the mach loop, but derwent,

included for @Lawrence (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=16)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olg3Md79Ntc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olg3Md79Ntc)

LUCKILY, NO DELUGE  :smiley-laughing:

Remember watching that, couldn't help thinking, how did they miss?

re Growbags, pilots in zip up flying suits e.g an easy to open green bag full of horse ****

Squadron rivalry, wots that then  :confused1: ;D I'm too long in the teeth for nicking gizzits now anyway
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: acko22 on November 10, 2019, 01:35:17 AM
Quote from: class37025 on November 02, 2019, 03:32:35 PM
not sure if the Ospreys are USAF or USMC, but either way they seem ready to get in there, unlike the 'so called' top guns  >:D

amazing how the USAF a/c that actually get down and dirty seem to be the C-130s/ MC130s / C17s, while the 'elite' units pose against the clouds  >:D


Not so much the C17s but the C-130s / MC130s and V-22 all come from RAF Mildenhall and as are 2 squadrons of Pavehawk helicopters, they for the Air arm of the US Special forces Europe (It's publicly available so I can say it  ;) ) They normally fly at extreme low level specially the Pavehawks, who in addition to flying special forces operations form "Pedro" callsigns. Pedro was the callsign used for Combat Search and Rescue in Helmand.
Sadly I have had to call them in to casevac in real life on multiple occasions but I can honestly say these guys are amazing not only are they great aviators (No surprise they are the cream of the crop of the USAF helicopter pilots) but honestly these guys will move heaven to help you out in a tight spot, and I had the chance to go on a "training exercise" a.k.a Jolly with them a few years ago and boy they really know how to fly!

As for the F15s not flying that low there is a logic to it! Even with modern radars the ground scatter will still hide you even at the altitudes they were at, but more importantly its the use of guided munitions. If you harp back to the first gulf war the RAF flew in low and fast with cluster munitions to crater runways, this mean't extreme low level (I believe the attack runs for them was about 100ft!) But with the accuracy of modern weapons there the increased altitude is needed to allow the weapons to pick up the target (either through laser or improved GPS signal), the arming distance of the weapons been higher allows longer times of flight thus giving more time for the warheads to arm and then finally as found in the first gulf war by the RAF if you attack at extreme low level you are prone to accurate ground fire from even small arms which is mitigated by the increased altitude.

Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: chrispearce on November 14, 2019, 05:05:51 PM
Have done the Mach Loop on my MS Flight Sim. Calls for some serious handling of the sticks and pedals. Sadly, it's the closest I'll ever get but at least I have SOME idea of what it would be like. Respect from me to the real jocks. :thumbsup:

I love nap-of-the-earth canyon runs and can gladly say I've simmed the Grand Canyon and The Zambezi River from Lake Kariba to Lake Victoria. There is a HUGE amount of focus and concentration to do those. To do them for real would be a tad scary methinks!  :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: joe cassidy on November 15, 2019, 12:12:46 PM
Quote from: Lawrence on November 02, 2019, 10:10:34 PM

re Growbags, pilots in zip up flying suits e.g an easy to open green bag full of horse ****


What nicknames do the "growbags" have for the non-combattants in the RAF ?
Title: Re: mach loop clips
Post by: guest311 on November 15, 2019, 01:03:26 PM
non flying personnel used to be 'penguins', not sure if still applies

various trades then had their own,
ie
RAFP - snowdrops - because of their white cap covers
RAFP QPD - fur box mechanics