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Title: Mechanical Semaphores?
Post by: chrispix on June 18, 2019, 04:02:48 PM
I was looking for brands of semaphores for the UK. I see that dapol makes some, and Ratio (unpainted). I am not sure if the ratio ones are mechanical/lit (guessing for the price, answer is no). Also, what about disk signals?

I would just go with Dapol, but I want more options where I can stack a home & distant signal on a single mast. Or move them to a gantry over the rails..

I see some japanese/german/american but the arms are all not prototypical UK. (unfortunately living in the states, I can't just go to a local train shop and ask).

Title: Re: Mechanical Semaphores?
Post by: edwin_m on June 18, 2019, 04:33:52 PM
All the signals most people would ever want are here in kit form: http://www.modelsignals.com/ (http://www.modelsignals.com/)

Never tried but I imagine they are pretty fiddly to put together especially if intnended to be working!  I don't think they have a lit option but the light on a semaphore is pretty much invisible in daylight even if it's lit at all.  The Dapol ones are much too bright. 
Title: Re: Mechanical Semaphores?
Post by: elmo on June 18, 2019, 05:30:31 PM
I have always used the ratio signals along with their lever kits.

Elmo
Title: Re: Mechanical Semaphores?
Post by: chrism on June 18, 2019, 05:56:28 PM
I've used the Langley whitemetal kits because, with a little modification (or lots in one caes) they closest resembled the real signals at Coniston.

I'm shortly to start experimenting with getting them to flap down and up using some little 4mm travel solenoids off the Bay of E and an assortment of bits of brass tube, rod and wire. It could be a bit tricky though because they are small and fiddly and I've got all my fingers crossed so I could have trouble gripping things properly  :D
Title: Re: Mechanical Semaphores?
Post by: willike1958 on June 18, 2019, 06:04:58 PM
Hi Chrispix,
I use a combination of MSE signal arm and ratio signal posts, among with plasticard bits and bats for more complicated signals. You can see the fruits of my labour at: https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=10285.msg106134#msg106134 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=10285.msg106134#msg106134)
Kevin
Title: Re: Mechanical Semaphores?
Post by: crewearpley40 on June 18, 2019, 06:05:58 PM
Good luck with that project chris on coniston. Im having thoughts too over signals but nothing to report yet
Title: Re: Mechanical Semaphores?
Post by: chrispix on June 18, 2019, 08:08:59 PM
thanks.. will check out the options..
Title: Re: Mechanical Semaphores?
Post by: Newportnobby on June 18, 2019, 08:35:22 PM
Maybe something @Delboy (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3997) could help with.
See https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=44444.msg554174#msg554174 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=44444.msg554174#msg554174)
Title: Re: Mechanical Semaphores?
Post by: Chris Morris on June 18, 2019, 08:56:10 PM
I use Dapol for the single signals and made my own bracket signals. Basically using brass tube and Ratio signal arms. They are powered by servos controlled by the Peco smartswitch. They have now done three days at exhibition without a glitch. It just takes a little thought and patience to make them. I didn't fit lights and have switched the lights off on the Dapol signals because in real life you can't see the light in the daytime. I'm told the lamps were normally only filled with oil once a week so they must have been on a pretty low wick.
Title: Re: Mechanical Semaphores?
Post by: Bealman on June 18, 2019, 10:36:31 PM
I would second NewportNobby's suggestion. Awesome signals!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mechanical Semaphores?
Post by: Delboy on June 23, 2019, 10:03:32 AM
Quote from: Bealman on June 18, 2019, 10:36:31 PM
I would second NewportNobby's suggestion. Awesome signals!  :thumbsup:

The link below shows you my GWR lower quadrant signal in action with a servo controller/tester.
I am currently working on a round post upper quadrant version, working on the same principle.

https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=44444.msg572980#msg572980 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=44444.msg572980#msg572980)
Title: Re: Mechanical Semaphores?
Post by: Chris Morris on June 23, 2019, 12:20:14 PM
 You can see mine here https://www.facebook.com/groups/5486188802/permalink/10156359427143803/. (https://www.facebook.com/groups/5486188802/permalink/10156359427143803/.) Hope the link works.
Title: Re: Mechanical Semaphores?
Post by: Delboy on June 23, 2019, 12:29:55 PM
Hi Chris,
The link just seems to take you to the opening page of the Facebook N Gauge Section.
Can't see your signals.
Title: Re: Mechanical Semaphores?
Post by: Chris Morris on June 23, 2019, 01:51:05 PM
 Thought it might. Sorry about that. As it's a video i can't post it here.
Title: Re: Mechanical Semaphores?
Post by: CarriageShed on June 27, 2019, 12:49:49 PM
I'm dreading getting to the semaphore signalling stage of my layout build. Working semaphores on a removable upper level using wire-in-tube could be a complex development.
Title: Re: Mechanical Semaphores?
Post by: Delboy on June 27, 2019, 01:03:02 PM
Quote from: CarriageShed on June 27, 2019, 12:49:49 PM
I'm dreading getting to the semaphore signalling stage of my layout build. Working semaphores on a removable upper level using wire-in-tube could be a complex development.

I agree with you there.
If you have to have a removable upper level, then servo controlled working semaphore signals may be the only way forward.
Title: Re: Mechanical Semaphores?
Post by: CarriageShed on June 27, 2019, 01:07:34 PM
Quote from: Delboy on June 27, 2019, 01:03:02 PM
I agree with you there.
If you have to have a removable upper level, then servo controlled working semaphore signals may be the only way forward.

That's kind of what I was expecting... more electrikery to try and work out. Ugh :D