Well guy's, going to be a fab year (or two i know before anyone points out these things sometimes slip a little from announcement!!) but rtr non air con Mk 11's at last!!!!!!!!
Plus a 37/4, 55, 70...
and then there's Dapol....
bread and cheese time and a bit of ebay me thinks!!
I agree, and reckon this year will be a good one for the manufacturers (and a poor one for many wallets).
Sadly the multi coloured worm lovers aren't really catered for, and there will always be some steamers wanted that never seem to appear, but overall the announcements for 2012 (note I didn't say arrivals) should be welcomed by N gaugers everywhere as being excellent news for our hobby. :thumbsup:
The Mk2's sound good. I wonder what liveries we'll have?!
Quote from: Tank on March 13, 2012, 06:40:10 PM
The Mk2's sound good. I wonder what liveries we'll have?!
I'm guessing you'd like to see them in NSE? ;) :smiley-laughing:
Modellers have been crying out for the early mark 2s for years...great news they are finally being produced. A new Deltic and 37/4 are also good, but the choice of 37417 is a little odd, bearing in mind rhis was an earlier offering from Bach/Far.
Didn't know the 37 would be 417 but will be such a radical improvement in what we have had i am sure it will fly of the shelves.
Having said that, i have a load of detailed and modded 37/4's I know i will be loath to get rid of so if other people thinking on the same lines, can't see a mass dumping on ebay just yet.
Can't say the same for the 55 though. Be glad to have a really decent model at last.
Mk11's in blue and grey first hopefully with a breather for my bank before they do the NSE version please. Got to say, well looking forward to these.
Bet its a dead cert we will get the Cravens and no doubt the lightweight in due course. Talking to a man in the know in the trade, reckon's not such a big market for second generation DMU's but first generation is a different ball game.
This suprised me and I as quite taken aback, having spent a small fortune equipping myself with a raft of long waited for 150/153/156 models thinking after such a wait, everyone else probably has too.
Of course, think the manufacturer's need to remember,there is only so much disposable to go round and hopefully, maybe a starter range will appear with a budget price to match for the next generation of modellers who don't have the big bucks required.
Was looking at the 4CEP yesterday, stunning....nearly good enough to make me part with the required till reality kicked in. I don't model pre 1984 southern! But it is nice....an err....oh ...no.
How rich we are guy's compared to 10 years ago! Look at the 03, 08 etc. Now I am sure someone will point out various probs with all, but for me, this is the most amazing time I have ever known in N.
I shall be keeping my old 37/4's for now. I can't see them doing the Welsh celebrity set that EWS ran for a while. Besides which I seem to have spent my modelling money at Shapeways instead ;)
doing a bit of Irish N? see Captain E has done some stuff for the big GM's.
Can see this taking off. You will be doing etches for Cravens next lol
Am i missing something?
I already have loads of early Mk2s in blue grey, provincial/TransPennine, NSE. The blue-grey ones are TPM conversions, but the others are straight out of the box. They lack interiors, so you have to add them yourself, not only for looks but for much needed weight.
IMHO, this was BR's best ever stock, both for comfort and looks.
youre not alone, have a rake of mk2b/c's i did 15yrs ago using Bernies inlays and new resin underframe details. Only did 4 though!
Was lucky enough to pick up some seconds from farish a while back which made an easy respray into Trans-Pennine but the are 2bs when really i think they should be 2/2a's. The Regional's were pretty good though and still command a fair price second hand.
If the new ones are half as good as the new Mk1's, will be seriously good.
Never realised till bought the book, how big a subject even Mk11 coaches is.
You are right about the comfort, remember the de classified Mk11 compo's on the Skeggy's in the late 80's. Happy day's!
Quote from: tadpole on March 13, 2012, 10:51:17 PM
Am i missing something?
I already have loads of early Mk2s in blue grey, provincial/TransPennine, NSE.
Yes, I am afraid so - Farish never did proper non air-con Mk2s they just did air-cons incorrectly liveried as non air-cons. The early Mk2s had completely different roofs, underframes and some had extra doors in the middle!
Cheers, Mike
To be fair there were some Mk.2b and 2c TSOs in both NSE and Regional Railways liveries, though the majority were the earlier ones.
Did Farish ever do any Mk2bs or 2cs with correct roof?
No, but for the 2c it wasn't that hard to correct - same with the underframe. They did print the correct style windows on the sides. For air-cons there should really be a vent moulded over the droplight in the wrap round end doors so the bodyshell has always been a compromise, so printing the revised windows was a reasonable way of extending the range on a small budget.
Quote from: red_death on March 13, 2012, 11:57:00 PM
Did Farish ever do any Mk2bs or 2cs with correct roof?
Nope. But it's easy enough to fit new vents. Ian Stoate then does the correct underwear for them.
Or you can wait for the new ones. I doubt however Bachmann will be doing the regional railways ex NSE brake first in a hurry
"underwear" - love it :thumbsup:
The London Transport liveried Pannier Tank will make life interesting on eBay for a bit. Its previous incarnation as a "limited edition" model shows up once in a blue moon and usually goes for silly money, so I'm betting there'll be a short period of the new ones being listed as 'rare' and people who haven't read about the new releases buying them for far above RRP.
The new 4 wheel vans sound a great idea. If they're anything near as good as the Dapol ones, but nearly £20 each? worrying.
Quote from: Zwilnik on March 14, 2012, 10:00:51 AM
The new 4 wheel vans sound a great idea. If they're anything near as good as the Dapol ones, but nearly £20 each? worrying.
Tis pricey but that's full whack. Let's hope the box shifters will knock them out for about the £15 mark ;)
If you look at the prices they are climbing batch by batch. I think that's going to keep on and we might as well get used to it. The currency shifts are not in our favour and Chinese wages are rising rapidly.
Alan
Quote from: EtchedPixels on March 14, 2012, 12:37:34 PM
If you look at the prices they are climbing batch by batch. I think that's going to keep on and we might as well get used to it. The currency shifts are not in our favour and Chinese wages are rising rapidly.
Alan
True. I think we've had a bit of a sweet spot where we've been able to get used to what are relatively cheap N gauge products (Historically speaking) based on old designs and toolings that must be a couple of decades old now so if we're going to get the super detailed new models we want, we're going to have to expect to pay for the investment in design time and new tooling that's required to produce them.
Hopefully the manufacturers will realise soon if Chinese wages start reaching UK levels to start bringing production back to the UK - particularly with the reduced shipping costs, and of course this would also help UK jobs.
In relation to the announcements I'm very pleased to see the Class 70 announced plus some more coaches in the new mk1 range, and the mk2s are definitely well overdue! Lots to look forward to and save up for...
I must admit I got quite excited when I saw the class 70 mentioned, until I looked at the Farish website and saw it was the Freightliner one. Still one can hope. At least the Bullied coaches are something to wait for.
Fortunately the Farish by Bachmann 31 chassis is pretty close for 20003 and I did the initial designs for one a long time back which Allen Doherty then fixed up (its actually how I got started in etching).
I did redo the design later on to see if it would work in resin but there were some bits that just won't going to work out. Somewhere in the oddments box I've got a pair of assembled etched shells for 20003, one with buffers and buffer beam which has been test painted green (but needing a tidy up or a strip and repaint) and one with no buffer beams fitted that's unpainted.
If you're interested send me a PM as they might as well go to a good home.
I'm still trying to do the continental stock for the Newhaven boat train to go with it. I got stuck on a suitable roof for a very long time but 3D print has finally solved that so I can begin to move on, once I can find where I put the rest of the test build from 18 months ago!
Do you know if Allen has corrected the artwork for 20003? The version that I saw looked like a mix of 20001 and 3 - in particular the windows and roof profile looked wrong.
I was thinking of building one for DEMU's Update 70 to counter all the articles about Fuglies!
Cheers, Mike
Quote from: red_death on March 14, 2012, 05:12:30 PM
Do you know if Allen has corrected the artwork for 20003? The version that I saw looked like a mix of 20001 and 3 - in particular the windows and roof profile looked wrong.
I was thinking of building one for DEMU's Update 70 to counter all the articles about Fuglies!
Cheers, Mike
It accurately matches the drawings but as well all know that's not always the whole story. My own impression is that the cab windows are slightly too wide and the roof profile may be slightly shallow (its hard to tell if thats the window width that causes the impression or is real)
Alan
(Mind you it could be worse - I've yet to see two drawings of a class 21/29 that agree with each other, or *any* drawing or model that agrees with the photos!)
Fair few items i'm looking forward to from Farish. Over the moon at the Mk2As will certainly be picking up a few TSOs to re-spray into some of West Coast and Riviera's stock. Providing they prove popular i am hoping next year will see the BFK announced purely as i want a support coach for my black 5! And all being well the Mk2s will come soon aswell (vacuum braked versions) so i can do the proper ones for my Vintage Trains rake :p
Defiantly going to be getting a Class 70 or two, DB Class 60, NR 37 and a few of the new coaches (Bullieds/LMS Full Brake/More Mk1s)
Lets hope Dapol don't announce too much otherwise i may have to start doing some overtime!
Ollie
The BFK would be a fairly easy conversion anyway as the BSO used the BFK bodyshell. Externally, apart from the number, the only difference is the pattern of roof vents at the passenger end. Internally it has four first class compartments rather than open seating bays. Proper 2nd class spacing didn't appear on Mk.2 coaches until the BSOs built for NIR in 1970 and the Mk.2c BSO in mainland Britain (there were no Mk.2b BSOs).
Ive been praying for intercity Mk 2's to be done for years ;D