The Rise Of Skywalker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adzYW5DZoWs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adzYW5DZoWs)
Loved Palpatine's cackle at the end. My only regret is that bringing back Palpatine somehow undermines the effort that went into creating Snoke. Who was he? Where did he come from? What did he want?
Will we ever know?
Quote from: Karhedron on April 12, 2019, 11:36:22 PM
Will we ever know?
Yes, sadly need to wait 8 months
edit :
Do not forget that Teaser Trailers are heavily edited, so the sequences do not match how they appear in the film
TFA there were three Teaser Trailers, and four Film Trailers
TLJ there were two Teaser Trailers, and seven Film Trailers
TROS, the first Film Trailer is due in August, with the final Film Trailer due in the first week of September
Life was so much easier in 1977.
And, of course, they're not milking it for every $ they can get :no:
In episodes 1-3 it was more about looking out for game footage - or rather what could become a game.
Thank goodness the last two have been less obvious game sellers and more storyline based.
Quote from: Newportnobby on April 13, 2019, 12:34:17 PM
And, of course, they're not milking it for every $ they can get
TFA made a vast (box office) profit
Rogue One made a small profit
Every film since then has made a loss
However, Lucasfilm / Disney have other revenue streams from the films (since 2014)
I lost all interest in the Star Wars films after I had to watch the last load of garbage otherwise known as the "the Last Jedi"
The spin off films on the other hands are brilliant.
Quote from: Newportnobby on April 13, 2019, 12:34:17 PM
And, of course, they're not milking it for every $ they can get :no:
you don't have to watch them ;)
Quote from: paulprice on April 13, 2019, 02:03:57 PM
I lost all interest in the Star Wars films after I had to watch the last load of garbage otherwise known as the "the Last Jedi"
The spin off films on the other hands are brilliant.
Rogue One is ok. I still have the blu-ray of Solo sitting next to the TV since it came out, I've put it on 3 times and still haven't managed to watch all of it through without dozing off!
Quote from: ntpntpntp on April 13, 2019, 02:56:38 PM
Quote from: paulprice on April 13, 2019, 02:03:57 PM
I lost all interest in the Star Wars films after I had to watch the last load of garbage otherwise known as the "the Last Jedi"
The spin off films on the other hands are brilliant.
Rogue One is ok. I still have the blu-ray of Solo sitting next to the TV since it came out, I've put it on 3 times and still haven't managed to watch all of it through without dozing off!
Watch it, its rather good fun
Quote from: Philipp on April 13, 2019, 02:45:46 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on April 13, 2019, 12:34:17 PM
And, of course, they're not milking it for every $ they can get :no:
you don't have to watch them ;)
Don't get me wrong. I have been an avid watcher of Star Wars films since day 1 but, really, it's getting somewhat thin now (which is more than I can say about myself :-[)
Quote from: Newportnobby on April 13, 2019, 03:14:41 PM
Don't get me wrong. I have been an avid watcher of Star Wars films since day 1 but, really, it's getting somewhat thin now (which is more than I can say about myself :-[)
Couldn't agree more, @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264).
The original film was a perfect film in terms of craft and story. The second film was a better drama, if a less complete "hero's journey" story. It also had better special effects. In a sense I feel that was the problem here: in producing two brilliant films, subsequent films were expected.
ROTJ was workmanlike; it got the story finished in a satisfying way, and the special effects were even better. It just wasn't as good a story as the previous two, and that's been the trend ever since: each film has to justify the existence of the franchise, without actually telling a story that needs to be told.
We didn't need to know where Vader came from beyond knowing he was Luke's father and he fell into evil. We don't need to know how the Emperor rose to power, simply that he exists and rules the galaxy. We don't really need to know how Leia got the Death Star plans, only that she is being pursued and eventually gets captured by the Imperials.
I love Star Wars, and thoroughly enjoy reading all the books filled with R5D4 specifications, womp rate biology, and the history of the temples on Yavin 4. But at the end of the day, these background details work best as mysteries, and the original Star Wars film, and Empire, worked brilliantly because we simply fell into a rich history without needing everything spelled out.
I just feel that the more we're seeing in the films, the less magical it all appears. It doesn't help that after Empire, the films have been steadily less interesting in terms of characters and drama. It's not like these are love stories or psychological dramas or suspense thrillers. They're all reworking the same basic good vs. evil hero story, and after the original Star Wars, none have pulled that off in an original manner that I care about.
Cheers, NeMo
As an aside
I was involved in about one third of the filming of TLJ (training during the filming of Rogue One)
I made a point of attending the filming of one specific scene, and I think you know which one!
Overall, I managed to watch the filming of at least thirty scenes, and thoroughly enjoyed that
Looking back I got caught up in the emotion of that, and here is why
Disney (WDSMP) invited me to the UK Press Screening for TLJ, and I jumped at it as it meant I could see the full film a full three days before release in the UK
All they wanted to know was what the press thought of it, the debrief afterwards was interesting
It is not something I would ever do again
Firstly, I was not aware that the lights stay on throughout the screening
The observers were almost always in discussion, which was distracting
Finally, their comments were very negative
Ironically, when I went to the Premiere it was an excellent experience, but again looking back caught up on the emotion of that
I then went to a screening a few days later, and was so disappointed in the actual film, overall
Yes, bits of it worked very well
But at least of one third of it was dreadful
Compared to TFA where just one scene is dreadful (Hux speech scene)
From that I went on to be involved in the Solo movie, and that had even more issues than I can list!
The UK Premiere was bizarre
I went to a local screening a week later and there were less than 10 people, so knew at that point it had bombed
I therefore decided not to be so involved with TROS, and only attended the filming of two scenes, and I do hope I attended the correct two!
On the plus side, I have a contract for the next four Star Wars films, and from past experience will be a little more guarded about my requests...
Quote from: MJKERR on April 13, 2019, 08:36:10 PM
On the plus side, I have a contract for the next four Star Wars films, and from past experience will be a little more guarded about my requests...
A very interesting aside. Reminds me of the politics versus science of my job.
As a simpleton who doesn't read the books or play the games etc I knew from a very early age (1977) that the first three Star Wars films were episodes 4-6 in a 9 part triple trilogy.
I already thought that was an extravagance, but they slowly progressed to complete the set of nine, and I have enjoyed Rogue One and Solo despite what you said, from the pure escapism and enjoyment of them. I am now shocked to hear there are another four to follow.
I thought that a good screenplay ended when it was supposed to end... so where does it go from here?
Most UK writers like to go out on a high, but i guess most Disney writers want a job...
Best
Bob
I guess there are precedents in that the Dune trilogy ended up as 6 books, whereas Game of Thrones will finish with the series 8 despite there still being two books to be written by George RR Martin.
Quote from: Newportnobby on April 13, 2019, 09:11:00 PM
I guess there are precedents in that the Dune trilogy ended up as 6 books...
Agreed, but Herbert evidently had plenty he wanted to say about politics, sex, the danger of looking up to heroes, and so forth. While I don't find the five sequels a patch on the originality and brilliance of 'Dune' itself, they're interesting enough books, and the last three are very different in tone. More like extended thought experiments that traditional space opera.
But I fail to see anything original in the Star Wars movies after the first one. 'Empire' is excellent, and arguably the better made film, but it's loses out in being less original than the first 'Star Wars' film. I don't just mean in terms of characters and locations, but in that the first film genuinely did something new, taking Saturday morning serial tropes, mixed them with classic hero journey ideas, and bundled them up with a gritty, realistic looking science fiction setting.
Everything else seems to be just different ways of rehashing the same old story. Underdog heroes fighting better equipped baddies; story ends with unlikely victory and something huge being blown up. It looks lovely, of course, and the depth of the universe remains its biggest selling point. But the stories themselves are so unoriginal it defies belief.
Cheers, NeMo
Quote from: MJKERR on April 13, 2019, 08:36:10 PM
From that I went on to be involved in the Solo movie, and that had even more issues than I can list!
The UK Premiere was bizarre
I went to a local screening a week later and there were less than 10 people, so knew at that point it had bombed
Shame, I rather enjoyed Solo. Certainly much better than Rogue One or TLJ.
During my recent extended hospital stay, I got to see a lot of movies. Top health insurance got me three Foxtel movie channels, but did nothing to speed the healing process.
I started watching TLJ and the Solo movies, and switched back to network TV.
Being stuck where I was, I eventually gave them another go, but found them convoluted and basically (like so many movies these days) just a vehicle for CGI special effects.
Often these days, we're watching a cartoon with real actors superimposed on it - really just a sophisticated version of that sequence with Julie Andrews and Dick van Dyke in Mary Poppins :thumbsup:
I agree with everything that NeMo suggests. The first movie was ground breaking, and was presented as a complete storyline package. I'm fairly sure it was originally conceived as a one-off.... if it had not been the success it was, would the original two sequels have been made?
Quote from: Bealman on April 13, 2019, 11:04:50 PM
I agree with everything that NeMo suggests. The first movie was ground breaking, and was presented as a complete storyline package. I'm fairly sure it was originally conceived as a one-off.... if it had not been the success it was, would the original two sequels have been made?
At the time of launch in 1977 it was sold as the first film in the second trilogy of three. Which at the age of 17 I thought was pretty cool.
But it was years before they took off and started filming the first trilogy. And now only recently has Marvel vs Disney wars upped the need to produce a film every season.
which is why we now get backstories and prequals everywhere.
Bob
The slight difference there though, is that Marvel have a huge volume of material to work with, with comic book characters dating back to the early 1960s.
They really don't need to invent new characters and storylines, they're already there!
Quote from: Bob G on April 13, 2019, 11:20:49 PM
At the time of launch in 1977 it was sold as the first film in the second trilogy of three
20th Century Fox initially only agreed to one film, but they were aware of this in 1973
Star Wars when initially released in 1977 had no title, it was added in 1979
George Lucas had written an outline story of 9 films, and 20th Century Fox edited the film to include the title when filming for ESB commenced
I have only ever watched the films, no interest in any of the books, games, and so on
That was one of the reasons I ended up with this job!
Quote from: Bob G on April 13, 2019, 08:59:30 PMI am now shocked to hear there are another four to follow.
so where does it go from here?
i guess most Disney writers want a job...
Details of the final film of six were outlined in 2014
The next set of Trilogy films was outlined in 2017
Production started in October last year, and principal photography is about to start on the next and final (standalone) film
Parallel to this is the next set of Trilogy films, the first of which will be filming at the same time
There are numerous sets of film writers
Lucasfilm (Star Wars films) have a set of about a dozen writers, and they write an outline story
The Director can then decided which, if any, parts of that story to include, and it then goes back to Lucasfilm for consideration
Even during filming and editing this process continues
As an example during the filming of TFA not much of the original story made it through to the final film, and was re-written 88 times (including two re-writes for continuity into TLJ)
Personally, that is where TLJ failed, as none of the original story was used, Rian Johnson convinced Lucasfilm of a new storyline which would not require any re-shoots
Then after all that, the film goes from Lucasfilm to Disney for consideration
This where is the filming of Rogue One went wrong, as Disney returned feedback asking why all the main characters survived, but none of them are in any of the other films
The point that had been missed was Lucasfilm thought it was insensitive to kill them off, so the reshoots included killing them all off!
Sorry, you've lost me, and I'm wondering if I care that much anyway ;) :thumbsup:
be interesting to know what the standalone film is ;)
Quote from: Bealman on April 14, 2019, 10:33:39 AM
Sorry, you've lost me, and I'm wondering if I care that much anyway ;) :thumbsup:
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Only version of star wars i like is the 3 minute version by Maclean & Maclean, i wont post it,or a link as it contains 1 or 2 naughty words, but it sums up the first film in 3 minutes.
Quote from: Philipp on April 14, 2019, 10:53:42 AM
be interesting to know what the standalone film is
It would appear Erin Kellyman (Enfys Nest from the Solo film) has accidentally leaked some details
Basically she appears in the next film
...Avidly waiting for next episode :)
Marco
Why is this new episode in the saga called 'Teaser'? :hmmm:
Quote from: MJKERR on April 14, 2019, 10:29:14 AM
Personally, that is where TLJ failed, as none of the original story was used, Rian Johnson convinced Lucasfilm of a new storyline which would not require any re-shoots
Interesting. Do you feel that the scale of reshoots required on Rogue One affected Disney's approach to TLJ?
On a relate note, do you get the impression that the negative critical reception of TLJ has affected their approach to Ris fo Skywalker?
I really wanted to like TLJ but I just struggled. It felt like too many off-notes. Actions and decisions that seemed to leave a bad taste. TFA (fairly in my opinion) receives some criticism for being just a bit too close to ANH in storyline but it had so many feel-good moments. Even Han's death (much as I love the character) felt
right.
Quote from: daffy on April 16, 2019, 04:33:36 PM
Why is this new episode in the saga called 'Teaser'?
Teaser refers to a Trailer, not initally certified for use in cinemas or TV
Usually shown at an event, and then shown in cinema or TV several days, weeks, and sometimes months later
In this case shown 12 April 2019, approved for cinema on 15 April 2019, and now classified as Trailer A
Quote from: Karhedron on April 16, 2019, 10:47:05 PM
Do you feel that the scale of reshoots required on Rogue One affected Disney's approach to TLJ?
Allmost all major films have reshoots, they are always scheduled for them
The two films are very different
The only difference was by this point Lucasfilm had an ILM development office at Pinewood Studios, so instead of having to wait (due to time difference taking between 9 and 12 hours) for the film to be sent to San Francisco, checked, and then either confirmed or advised of filming changes that were required, the response was cut to just 30 minutes
Quote from: Karhedron on April 16, 2019, 10:47:05 PM
On a relate note, do you get the impression that the negative critical reception of TLJ has affected their approach to The Rise of Skywalker?
No, the main issue was replacing Colin Treverrow with JJ Abrams
As a result the initial filming schedule was cancelled, the story re-written, and a new filming schedule created
Quote from: Karhedron on April 16, 2019, 10:47:05 PM
I really wanted to like TLJ but I just struggled. It felt like too many off-notes. Actions and decisions that seemed to leave a bad taste. TFA (fairly in my opinion) receives some criticism for being just a bit too close to ANH in storyline but it had so many feel-good moments. Even Han's death (much as I love the character) felt right.
Equally, I thoroughly enjoyed watching some of the filming of TLJ, and to then see that in the cinema
However, once that emotion had passed, the underlying story was just ridiculously stupid
My worst criticism was the First Order (with their enormous fleet) just following the Resistance
Why did they not take the decision to send a small fleet of Star Destroyers ahead and cut them off
Oh, end of film, how do they escape that problem
Equally, many people were under the impression that TLJ would be parallel to ESB, as TFA was to ANH
Thankfully, the storyline for TROS has completely binned that idea!
Quote from: MJKERR on April 17, 2019, 09:31:18 AM
Quote from: daffy on April 16, 2019, 04:33:36 PM
Why is this new episode in the saga called 'Teaser'?
Teaser refers to a Trailer, not certified for use in cinemas or TV
Get away with you :D ;)
Quote from: Newportnobby on April 17, 2019, 12:01:12 PM
Quote from: MJKERR on April 17, 2019, 09:31:18 AM
Quote from: daffy on April 16, 2019, 04:33:36 PM
Why is this new episode in the saga called 'Teaser'?
Teaser refers to a Trailer, not certified for use in cinemas or TV
Get away with you :D ;)
You mean it's not named after the Cat Stevens album 'Teaser and the Firecat'.? ;)
Sorry MJ, but you missed my offbeat drift there.
:beers:
Quote from: daffy on April 17, 2019, 01:07:56 PM
Sorry MJ, but you missed my offbeat drift there.
Some people may not be aware of what a Teaser Trailer is, always clarify
Quote from: Bealman on April 14, 2019, 10:33:39 AM
Sorry, you've lost me, and I'm wondering if I care that much anyway ;) :thumbsup:
Afraid you lost me on the Star Wars bit let alone Teaser Trailer :D