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Evening all, does anyone have any knowledge of IF or WHEN farish are to reissue these wonderful 40T Sealions in olive green?
I unfortunately discovered photos of a Bulleid locomotive hauling a 10wagon load of these in Feb 14 and after a day of trawling found 1 shop with 5 left. Problem is id love 5more to weather to match but also another 10 weathered and loaded.
I contemplated getting them in the other later liveries but finding 5 of any seems impossible. I discovered 8 for sale in Spain in a desert sand colour but they disappeared before a bid could be placed.
I saw a 377-000A listed at some point but as far as I'm aware they haven't been released.
Any info will be greatly appreciated
:thankyousign:
I have a vague memory that Bachmann have said that these will not be re-released, as the cost would be prohibitive.
It was 2010 when they were last produced.....if they do produce them I bet the price will be a lot higher than the original models.
Regards
Tony
:thankyousign: for your info.
Looks like I'll have to track down some NGS kits then
:thankyousign:
revolution, sonic, realtrack, cavalex, djm...
this would be a good wagon to produce if bachmann really have given up on them in n
Quote from: exmouthcraig on November 24, 2018, 06:00:28 PM
:helpneededsign:
Evening all, does anyone have any knowledge of IF or WHEN farish are to reissue these wonderful 40T Sealions in olive green?
I unfortunately discovered photos of a Bulleid locomotive hauling a 10wagon load of these in Feb 14 and after a day of trawling found 1 shop with 5 left. Problem is id love 5more to weather to match but also another 10 weathered and loaded.
I contemplated getting them in the other later liveries but finding 5 of any seems impossible. I discovered 8 for sale in Spain in a desert sand colour but they disappeared before a bid could be placed.
I saw a 377-000A listed at some point but as far as I'm aware they haven't been released.
Any info will be greatly appreciated
:thankyousign:
377-000 were done in 2009. 377-000A were done in 2010. Nothing else since, AFAIK.
The Bullied could have been hauling the original SR designed Walrus in black. These were then "copied" by BR to give the very very similar Seacow (riveted) or Sealion (welded).
The model is in fact a Seacow.
I dont see how the cost would be prohibitive. There are many complex wagons about right now, and they are all pretty expensive, but why do they say prohibitively so?
Bob
Quote from: bluedepot on November 24, 2018, 10:37:26 PM
revolution, sonic, realtrack, cavalex, djm...
this would be a good wagon to produce if bachmann really have given up on them in n
All who seem to be tied up with plenty of other projects.
Maybe the NGS could purchase the moulds from Bachmann to prevent these wagons disappearing all together. Presumably the set up costing is where the money gets spent so to pay for those costs produce more models?
Regarding the Sealions/Seacows: I spoke to both Bachmann and the NGS today, and there are no plans for further Graham Farish releases, but the NGS kit is well advanced for reissue. I may have to watch out for that...
Blimey. Glad I got my dozen then.
Quote from: exmouthcraig on November 24, 2018, 11:11:32 PM
Presumably the set up costing is where the money gets spent so to pay for those costs produce more models?
Producing the plastic parts from the molds is the least expensive part of producing a wagon.
The problem with the Seacow/Sealion is the cost of putting all the bits together to make a finished model. Farish reps told me a few years ago that the RRP would be so high they wouldn't sell enough - £30-40 per wagon was mentioned.
Quote from: Steven B on November 26, 2018, 09:18:29 AM
Quote from: exmouthcraig on November 24, 2018, 11:11:32 PM
Presumably the set up costing is where the money gets spent so to pay for those costs produce more models?
Producing the plastic parts from the molds is the least expensive part of producing a wagon.
The problem with the Seacow/Sealion is the cost of putting all the bits together to make a finished model. Farish reps told me a few years ago that the RRP would be so high they wouldn't sell enough - £30-40 per wagon was mentioned.
A bit like the Kernow Thumper in OO. Lots of tiny parts which when first envisaged, Chinese wages were lower, so not a problem. Now its too expensive. This is where Hornby's "Design Clever" concept wins out.
Bob
Quote from: Steven B on November 26, 2018, 09:18:29 AM
Quote from: exmouthcraig on November 24, 2018, 11:11:32 PM
Presumably the set up costing is where the money gets spent so to pay for those costs produce more models?
Producing the plastic parts from the molds is the least expensive part of producing a wagon.
The problem with the Seacow/Sealion is the cost of putting all the bits together to make a finished model. Farish reps told me a few years ago that the RRP would be so high they wouldn't sell enough - £30-40 per wagon was mentioned.
Bachmann have said that with several wagons, the IPA car carriers in OO gauge (and hence their not being downsized) are the same. Given the Seacows sell for over £40 second hand I'm not sure that would be a barrier. Others they've obviously decided the market will weather it - re-runs of FIA container pairs, PCA and JPA cement tankers etc are far more expensive than original runs, for an identical product. I guess it's just a reflection of increased labour costs on those wagons with lots of separately (by the factory) applied details.
Quote from: Bob G on November 24, 2018, 11:06:12 PM
Quote from: exmouthcraig on November 24, 2018, 06:00:28 PM
:helpneededsign:
Evening all, does anyone have any knowledge of IF or WHEN farish are to reissue these wonderful 40T Sealions in olive green?
I unfortunately discovered photos of a Bulleid locomotive hauling a 10wagon load of these in Feb 14 and after a day of trawling found 1 shop with 5 left. Problem is id love 5more to weather to match but also another 10 weathered and loaded.
I contemplated getting them in the other later liveries but finding 5 of any seems impossible. I discovered 8 for sale in Spain in a desert sand colour but they disappeared before a bid could be placed.
I saw a 377-000A listed at some point but as far as I'm aware they haven't been released.
Any info will be greatly appreciated
:thankyousign:
I dont see how the cost would be prohibitive. There are many complex wagons about right now, and they are all pretty expensive, but why do they say prohibitively so?
Bob
Interestingly, Dapol are on record as saying the same thing about their Dogfish (Dogfishes ?)
They have said that the price they would have to charge the modeller would be excessive. The Implication being that no-one would buy them at the price they'd have to charge. I'm sure that was on their Dapol Digest.
I'm guessing the Seacow situation is similar ?
I'm guessing with the Seacows it's the handrails at the end which are particularly fiddly. I recall that was far and away the hardest part of the NGS kit too. I guess if they take a few minutes per wagon versus seconds to apply (say) some brake gear or something to another wagon then something which is ostensibly complex may actually be far easier to put together.
I had eight but managed to buy a couple of second hand ones recently For £22 each so I now have ten which I'm happy with but just seen there's half a dozen currently for sale on eBay, be interesting to see how much they sell for!
Quote from: WesternKing on November 30, 2018, 03:54:45 PM
there's half a dozen currently for sale on eBay, be interesting to see how much they sell for!
I acnt find them. Any chance of a link please? @WesternKing (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=789)
cheers
Kirky
Quote from: kirky on November 30, 2018, 05:15:15 PM
Quote from: WesternKing on November 30, 2018, 03:54:45 PM
there's half a dozen currently for sale on eBay, be interesting to see how much they sell for!
I acnt find them. Any chance of a link please? @WesternKing (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=789)
cheers
Kirky
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_odkw=377-000&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=377-000+farish&_sacat=0 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_odkw=377-000&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=377-000+farish&_sacat=0)
I know this is a bit old but........
Well since I first started this topic the NGS kit hasn't come back into stock but I was told at TINGS that it's the next wagon on their list, but I have managed (at great expense) to get my 20 wagons, all are about to jump in the spray booth to be weathered
BUT.....
I need to get loads to fit into 10 of these wagons but where do I find these? Who makes them? Or am I just going to be forced to get creative and make them myself??
:thankyousign:
Hi
For my NGS kits I used some made by PS Models which I think are still sold by BH Enterprises.
http://nebula.wsimg.com/3bca648b6ecbd726f85397a45941e554?AccessKeyId=8C7C2C110638425F2686&disposition=0&alloworigin=1 (http://nebula.wsimg.com/3bca648b6ecbd726f85397a45941e554?AccessKeyId=8C7C2C110638425F2686&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
They as still listed on page 9 of the catalogue as PS1 YGB seacow x 3 @ £2.75
Cheers
Paul
Thanks Paul, I'll get onto Ray this week
:thankyousign:
https://tencommandmentsmodels.co.uk/product/ballast-load-seacow-3-pack/
Thank you Alan, I couldn't remember where you said you managed to get yours from!!
I've got some of those and personally I think the seacow loads are very poor (other Ten Commandments ones are excellent though), just not convincing IMO.
The N gauge ones come in two bits, which gives a half loaded look, but it doesn't really work for me. If they were like the ones in the photos they'd be far better.
didn't the two part ones fit either side of the centre support, these look a much higher load than those.
Yep, but if you look that's a OO gauge wagon, and the description says "TWO STONECAST PLASTER CASTINGS TO REPRESENT BALLAST."
I'd not have ordered them if there had been a photo of the actual product.
I won't argue, I was just going by the
Home / N / COAL & MINERALS / BALLAST LOAD SEACOW 3-PACK
listing.
I seem to remember the ones I last bought were for sea lions, rather than sea cows.
perhaps an e-mail to the firm might clear this up.
Yes, the link is correct, but the photo is OO gauge, and the N gauge product I received is very different, and IMO inferior. The description suggests that's what you'll get, not what's in the picture. Have you had one piece 'heaped' loads like in the picture, for a Seacow then?
Sealions and Seacows are the same, but riveted or welded construction. The loads would fit either.
can't seem to get a result for N74, which should show the single item.
the ones I got, some years ago, were two castings per wagon, which fitted either side of the centre rib IIRC, my wagons are packed away at the moment, but I'll check later.
loads were much flatter than the one shown.
the site has been updated since I last looked on it, but I get the impression that there is less on offer than there used to be.
I think we're saying the same thing.
The photo on the website shows a OO gauge model, with a nice single 'heaped' load covering the central rib. The actual N gauge product is two loads that sit much lower in the wagon either side of the central rib. For me I wasn't keen on this because it's not very prototypical, in general they're full or empty, having a rake of half full wagons is a bit unrealistic. They also don't sit nicely around the central rib, so it looks unnatural.
I don't believe TC offer a single piece 'heaped' N gauge load for the seacow.
update,
just spoke to 10 commandments, and they confirmed the oo picture was added in error.
he will change it for the n gauge photo soon, showing the two part load as opposed to the heaped [oo] load.
hope this will clarify the situation.
Craig, if you order the N74 single pack, or 3 pack, you'll receive the same loads as in the wagons you had off me.
Wonderful, I'll get them to match then.
Thanks Alan :beers:
Looking through our WTT we have 3 ballast empties, we have photos to suggest that any open wagon was put in a rake to run out to Meldon, but with 20 Sealions/ Seacows half loaded, basically these shouldn't be Olive green for my timeframe BUT I'm not prepared to ruin these by stripping and painting as these cost me more money then my 15 revolutioN Regent class B tanks :o so my plan is to get a couple of NGS wagon kits when they are back in stock and build these as SR Walrus in black, other then Paul Bartletts site does anyone know of any information relating to these wagons??
It is suggested BR copied them just put GWR bogies on to make the Sealion/Seacow and the end platforms were narrower by about 2mm so think that's acceptable to ignore!
I thought we had a book on SR wagons in the library but that seems to be wishful thinking, so if any of you can offer any information on these I would appreciate it, then just sit tight for the NGS to re-release the kits.
Hi,
I suggest you invest in a copy of "An Illustrated History of Southern Wagons Volume 4" This has a chapter dealing with Ballast Wagons and traces the history of these wagons back to 1928 and although it goes back to the LSWR and 1903 this should be enough to give a good background of the details with b/w photos and drawings to illustrate.
Beautiful thank you @honk843 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1116), just what I wanted and now ordered :beers: