I haven't seen this mentioned on here. An outfit called KRM Models is proposing to produce GT3 in N & OO gauges.
Website here:
https://krmodels.co.uk/ (https://krmodels.co.uk/)
There is also a facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/KR-Models-GT3-Gas-Turbine-Model-Project-177648702945111/?__tn__=kC-R&eid=ARAKcxxtCEXQ6PUuEKUYSDXMWM1Qbs24YbtnYWCJUCdsO2HDA0gssoFgIL53xXd5lJRO8Q-mmMvZ8UvJfi7n2J9GnC3tJ_bHZfqInUw&hc_ref=ART6Yo-Wx8A1NKNw3av_kAVAAA2kOCCPDHtYcQi03vcJVy670SSL1sFq2cDW5Azwt4A&fref=nf&__xts__ (https://www.facebook.com/KR-Models-GT3-Gas-Turbine-Model-Project-177648702945111/?__tn__=kC-R&eid=ARAKcxxtCEXQ6PUuEKUYSDXMWM1Qbs24YbtnYWCJUCdsO2HDA0gssoFgIL53xXd5lJRO8Q-mmMvZ8UvJfi7n2J9GnC3tJ_bHZfqInUw&hc_ref=ART6Yo-Wx8A1NKNw3av_kAVAAA2kOCCPDHtYcQi03vcJVy670SSL1sFq2cDW5Azwt4A&fref=nf&__xts__)
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Sounds good to me, even though I already have a kit built one, lets hope it materialises, I have made an expression of interest.
I have made an expression of interest. It's an ideal loco for my planned early 60s GC layout
I'm in for one as well, it will make an interesting model for running at shows.
I'm a sucker for any and all of the prototypes :-[
:bounce: :thankyousign:
Craig
Utterly bonkers proposal. Even less useful to the average modeller than the real thing was for British Railways.
Love it!
NeMo
Always wanted one of these even if it went nowhere near the Western Region - the perfect rule 1 purchase!
Regards,
Alex
This is my favourite locomotive of all time. I'd love to have one of these! :claphappy: :claphappy: :claphappy:
Hats off to KRM for giving it a go but I'd rather have one of the other prototypes such as Falcon, Kestrel or Lion in RTR (I know there are kits)
Quote from: Newportnobby on November 23, 2018, 09:16:44 PM
Hats off to KRM for giving it a go but I'd rather have one of the other prototypes such as Falcon, Kestrel or Lion in RTR (I know there are kits)
Didn't know you were a fan of Kestrel sir (or maybe I forgot :-[). I would also love one.
However, back on topic, I wish this proposal success. Not for me, but to introduce another potential source of RTR models.
Skyline2uk
Not wishing to put a damper on a very exciting announcement but does the gentleman behind this operation have any track history of producing models? I cannot see any information on whether he is going to do the R&D himself or sub-contract it out. I assume production will be sub-contracted to China but again there is no information about this.
I would like to know a bit more about the owner's credentials before I would think about backing such a project. Dave Jones has more than 10 years' experience of producing N Gauge models but still gets a rough ride from certain posters. This announcement seems like a laudable aspiration but there is not much detail behind it.
Just put my name in.
Never even heard of this loco before. So, the APT-E wasn't the first gas turbine!
This is a rather wonderful design and I love the colour scheme.
Let's hope there's enough interest.
The real thing was a ridiculous looking thing, a stupid idea.
So I want one.
I'm rather put off by his website, which apart from the wealth of spelling and grammar issues, includes this gem:
QuoteThe GT3 was designed and built in 1958 by English Electric at their Vulcan Foundry works in Vulcan, Cheshire.
The briefest of googles would confirm that the Vulcan Foundry was in Newton-le-Willows, which is in Lancashire. Not exactly rigorous research, then, from an alleged local.
He has a stand at Warley. I might take a look...
Hi all,
The guy behind this is named Keith Revell. I happened upon the stand at Warley.
I know nothing about GT3, nor any real interest, so have no skin in the game.
I was told that until he has a reasonable number of serious expressions of interest he won't start looking for manufacturing partners. For those who are interested I hope this project can fly.
Cheers
Ben A.
I read that on the website yesterday. Like many no interest in this loco and will definitely be good to have someone else join in building rarer locos.
Now RevoloutioN have announced a steam loco things are looking up for a couple id be after.
Strange how KR models need a number of interested parties to make numbers viable but chose not to personally announce the proposed project (through official lines) on the N Gauge Forum. :hmmm:
Quote from: exmouthcraig on November 24, 2018, 11:41:41 PM
I read that on the website yesterday. Like many no interest in this loco and will definitely be good to have someone else join in building rarer locos.
Now RevoloutioN have announced a steam loco things are looking up for a couple id be after.
Strange how KR models need a number of interested parties to make numbers viable but chose not to personally announce the proposed project (through official lines) on the N Gauge Forum. :hmmm:
you may, I say may, be overstating our importance. :D
Well WE all know :NGaugersRule: and :NGF: so to me it would make sense to announce it on a dedicated forum celebrating 8 years of sustained growth and certainly no signs of slumping.
It seems to work very well for RevoloutioN to get Tank to officially announce their new projects so an unheard of company trying to produce a very rare locomotive that needs a number of customers would surely approach the NGF.
Maybe that's a logical way to look at it :hmmm:
Quote from: exmouthcraig on November 24, 2018, 11:51:29 PM
Well WE all know :NGaugersRule: and :NGF: so to me it would make sense to announce it on a dedicated forum celebrating 8 years of sustained growth and certainly no signs of slumping.
It seems to work very well for RevoloutioN to get Tank to officially announce their new projects so an unheard of company trying to produce a very rare locomotive that needs a number of customers would surely approach the NGF.
Maybe that's a logical way to look at it :hmmm:
And just how many N GAUGE Forum members do you expect to order the 00 GAUGE version (which let's be realistic, will out-sell the N-gauge version at least 2:1) ::)
I don't recall Revolution announcing any of their 00 models here first...
Quote from: PLD on November 25, 2018, 12:09:04 AM
Quote from: exmouthcraig on November 24, 2018, 11:51:29 PM
Well WE all know :NGaugersRule: and :NGF: so to me it would make sense to announce it on a dedicated forum celebrating 8 years of sustained growth and certainly no signs of slumping.
It seems to work very well for RevoloutioN to get Tank to officially announce their new projects so an unheard of company trying to produce a very rare locomotive that needs a number of customers would surely approach the NGF.
Maybe that's a logical way to look at it :hmmm:
And just how many N GAUGE Forum members do you expect to order the 00 GAUGE version (which let's be realistic, will out-sell the N-gauge version at least 2:1) ::)
I don't recall Revolution announcing any of their 00 models here first...
Seems it would be logical for a company to announce their N gauge products on an N gauge forum, and their non-N-gauge products on a non-N-gauge forum? Or am I not getting your point?
Love the picture of the loco on facebook. Wonder if the model will come with the heavily lided eyes, looks like a Thomas friend.
Quote from: railsquid on November 25, 2018, 12:52:47 AM
Seems it would be logical for a company to announce their N gauge products on an N gauge forum, and their non-N-gauge products on a non-N-gauge forum? Or am I not getting your point?
That is exactly my point, however this is a multiple gauge project (and all but the most blinkered N-gauge modellers would see that the majority of sales will come in the larger scale) so an 'exclusive' launch on a forum dedicated to the minority scale, is not the right platform... (if they even know this forum exists!)
Surely with today's media platforms a launch of an 'OO' model on an 'OO' orientated platform and an 'N gauge' launch on an 'N' orientated platform wouldn't be too hard to orchestrate??
If your trying to increase numbers to make it a viable case to trot of to manufacturers and say
"I've got 5000 OO pre orders and 1400 N gauge" you might stand a chance of getting them to make it.
The world's a tiny little place now so to hit every platform to get your business known surely isnt impossible???
Heard today via email from Mr Revell that the N gauge GT3 is sadly not going ahead .
He is taking expressions of interest in the Fell Loco however
Time for a new thread???
Quote from: Trev Collins on November 25, 2019, 06:53:26 PM
Heard today via email from Mr Revell that the N gauge GT3 is sadly not going ahead .
He is taking expressions of interest in the Fell Loco however
What a bummer :(
This wouldn't have ever found a home with me, but given that I have just found out there was an engineering prototype on display at Warley, another layer of credibility has been achieved.
What with this, the N gauge Hattons Garret struggling and the N gauge Cavalex 91 also apparently not likely (will find the appropriate thread for that), it would seem a limit has been reached in the market? I don't know, it's a shame, but it seems you now need to actually have something to show before people commit now?
Skyline2uk
I think there is a market for a GT3 and an all new class 91. Part of the problem is that the number of N Gauge modellers is smaller than OO Gauge. The other big problem is that Hattons, KRM and Cavalex aren't perhaps doing enough to make themselves known to the N Gauge comunity. There was apparently no CAD images of the Garrett on show on Hattons' stand at Warley and to the best of my knownledge none were represented at TINGS. I don't recall much in the way of advertising in the NGS Journal either.
Steven B
Quote from: Skyline2uk on November 27, 2019, 07:09:38 PM
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I don't know, it's a shame, but it seems you now need to actually have something to show before people commit now?
Skyline2uk
I wouldn't say that exactly. I'd say:
you have to prove your credibility before people commit. And I don't think that's a new thing, or that it requires proving more now than before (DJM's collapse).
Probably fair to say that RevolutioN Trains are the most successful of the new generation micro manufacturers, certainly as far as N goes. I hadn't heard of Mike Hale before RevolutioN, but I had heard of Ben Ando through his work for the NGS. So I saw a fair amount of credibility in RevolutioN from the start. That credibility grew as the Pendo progressed and was helped by clear communication.
Contrast that with DJ Models. I saw a lot of credibility in DJM at the start engendered largely by Dave Jone's history with Dapol. But, that credibility steadily diminished with each new model announcement and dire communication.
IMHO, KRM Models would've done better to get a model out and if that model was to be something as leftfield as the GT3, just target the larger OO market. Once a OO GT3 was getting rave reviews in all mags, they could've offered me it in N and I'd have viewed them with more credibility.
Whilst I don't disagree with you I can see why manufacturers don't do that. If a OO gauge model will reach critical mass without the benefit of a track record whilst the N gauge equivalent won't, why would you go back later and revisit N? The OO market is proven to be more lucrative.
Cavalex keep trying because Cav is an N gauge modeller, which is great. I get why people say "oh they've not made much effort for the N gauge market", but again, if they can expect to ultimately sell (say) 25% of the volume in N, and that requires more effort then why would you do that?
I'm just bloody glad Revolution products are successful in N; I think I'd weep if I was missing out on all of that!
As spotted on a post by KRM models on facebook there is going to be a second run of these in OO and he is also retaking expressions of interest in N gauge although i don't see where to sign up for that on his website ?
I have asked on Facebook for clarification of a link to sign up for this.
www.krmodels.co.uk (http://www.krmodels.co.uk)
www.facebook.com/krmodels.uk/ (http://www.facebook.com/krmodels.uk/)
Craig
They've not delivered the first batch yet have they?! Bit weird to announce a second run.
Quote from: njee20 on April 13, 2020, 08:25:05 PM
They've not delivered the first batch yet have they?! Bit weird to announce a second run.
It does seem rather strange :hmmm:
I'm guessing the talk of a second run is down to the whole oddity that the order book closed for the first run while there was nothing more than CAD's available and a decision on the actual mechanism was still to be confirmed.
Then come Warley and theres an actual physical EP sample to see and suddendly more people are actually interested oddly enough but they can't order....hence second run (maybe).
From watching the various threads over on RMWeb it strikes me that KRModels are being a little blind to the market after the whole DJModels failure.
Quote from: Arrachogaidh on April 17, 2020, 01:44:33 AM
[urlhttps://www.world-of-railways.co.uk/news/brm-meets-kr-models/][/url]
www.world-of-railways.co.uk/news/brm-meets-kr-models (http://www.world-of-railways.co.uk/news/brm-meets-kr-models)
The expression of interest for the GT3 in N Gauge is now available on the KR Models webpage now.
Here is a link to it https://www.krmodels.co.uk/collections/n-gauge/products/gt3-n-gauge (https://www.krmodels.co.uk/collections/n-gauge/products/gt3-n-gauge)
I have no connection with this company but would like a GT3 hence why i'm pointing this out, we are getting a second chance, spead the word !!!
Craig
Quote from: Kaput on April 17, 2020, 12:27:37 AM
From watching the various threads over on RMWeb it strikes me that KRModels are being a little blind to the market after the whole DJModels failure.
Agreed, the whole thing is/was pretty bizarre. They've literally only just confirmed what colour it's going to be as well. I think I'd definitely wait until I'd delivered something before inviting a second run!
Anyway, he's clearly starting out, as long as he delivers then I wish him well!
Simply not one for me, neither is the King or Fell, but they have to start somewhere and I wish their projects and business model every success.
Now if they had got their hands on the Clayton tooling I would have been in for three no problem...
Roy
Definitely a rule 1 purchase, but if there is any chance of this coming off, I am there - I want one! expression of interest registered
Regards,
Alex
Quote from: Roy L S on April 17, 2020, 09:50:01 AM
Simply not one for me, neither is the King or Fell, but they have to start somewhere and I wish their projects and business model every success.
Now if they had got their hands on the Clayton tooling I would have been in for three no problem...
Roy
There mst be a fair few including myself that would have multiple Claytons, i had a bunch ordered with DJM.
Craig
I had an email from KR models today about an update on their progress....it was all in OO scale.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/101/1517-151120192442.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=101980)
Then they announced a video (like Revolution).
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/101/1517-151120192524.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=101981)
Perhaps there will be an N gauge announcement then....
Bob
I think they have dropped all N gauge.
I'm a bit lost now. Have KR actually produced and delivered any models yet? I assume that the OO GT3 would be the first to be seen?
But yes, my impression is that we'll be waiting a long time for anything in N from KR now that they've missed the boat with the Shark brake, which would have been a relatively easy win for a new entrant to British N. I can't help feeling that KR's strategy of going for prototypes of which only one ever existed isn't the way to get enough sales to support them longer-term. Certainly in N, where there is less of a collectors' market.
Ah well, time will tell. Hope I'm wrong.
Richard
They've not yet delivered anything. The OO GT3 will be first as you say, due imminently, they're vague, presumably for all the same reasons everyone doesn't know when stuff will arrive!
The N gauge page is back on the website and they are advertising in the Society magazine that I just received.
Quote from: JonMann on November 23, 2020, 02:36:45 PM
The N gauge page is back on the website and they are advertising in the Society magazine that I just received.
The adverts in the NGS Journal will have been prepared a while ago so not to be taken as gospel: they include an advert for the Shark brake which, I believe, is now a dead project.
That said, in other threads/forums KR have recently stated that the EOIs for the N GT3 and Fell remain open to see if they can get enough interest to move forward into production, and if they've reinstated their N web pages that's also more positive news.
[Personally, I'm not sure if open-ended requests for EOIs will be enough: perhaps either setting a time limit coupled with high profile announcements (a la Revolution) or asking for a small but non-returnable deposit (but not crowdfunding, as the DJM debacle has killed that idea for the moment) would give a more realistic picture of demand. Or see how many 00 GT3s sell, and cost up a N production run of 25% of the 00 quantity to see if it makes financial sense as a speculative proposition!]
Cheers, R
Richard Taylor said
The adverts in the NGS Journal will have been prepared a while ago so not to be taken as gospel: they include an advert for the Shark brake which, I believe, is now a dead project.
#is that official as I missed that announcement.
regards
M
Quote from: osborns on November 23, 2020, 05:17:31 PM
Richard Taylor said
The adverts in the NGS Journal will have been prepared a while ago so not to be taken as gospel: they include an advert for the Shark brake which, I believe, is now a dead project.
#is that official as I missed that announcement.
regards
M
Well, it's conspicuous by its absence from the N section of KR's website. Given the EFE N Shark is an (almost?) actually-existing model and given the relatively small number of Sharks most modellers will want (as opposed to, for example, an accurate 1930's van from one of the Big Four) I suspect its disappearance is permanent...
Best wishes,
Richard
There is a video online of the production version of the 00 gauge model. Seems to get the thumbs-up from Hornby magazine.
https://youtu.be/y8DnQEsxLAc
I got another KR Models latest newsletter today. The same number #23 as the one I got a month ago.
The Newsletter mentioned an EOI for the Consett Iron Ore wagon in N gauge. This is news to me since last month.
However it did not mention the progress on the existing EOIs in N on on GT3, the Fell, or King, and no mention of progress/abandonment on the Shark, though the Shark has disappeared from the website.
The Clayton DHP1 and Bullied Leader seem to be OO only. I could only find these things out from the website.
You do want to wonder if N or O gauge is ever going to be part of their portfolio. They are not exactly trying hard.
Bob
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/103/1517-171220143220.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=103357)
we have a Shark almost ready to go but paused it when the K was announced. We also have a r.t.r. Catfish to go with it but that was also paused at the same time. Perhaps its time to launch possible early Jan 2021 as we are up to our necks in it at the moment.
Quote from: osborns on December 17, 2020, 04:29:17 PM
we have a Shark almost ready to go but paused it when the K was announced. We also have a r.t.r. Catfish to go with it but that was also paused at the same time. Perhaps its time to launch possible early Jan 2021 as we are up to our necks in it at the moment.
Hi
Shark was also announced by EFE so you might want to park that one.
The catfish is interesting though, would it be injection moulded or 3D printed?
Cheers
Paul
Quote from: PaulCheffus on December 17, 2020, 05:07:12 PM
Quote from: osborns on December 17, 2020, 04:29:17 PM
we have a Shark almost ready to go but paused it when the K was announced. We also have a r.t.r. Catfish to go with it but that was also paused at the same time. Perhaps its time to launch possible early Jan 2021 as we are up to our necks in it at the moment.
Hi
Shark was also announced by EFE so you might want to park that one.
The catfish is interesting though, would it be injection moulded or 3D printed?
Cheers
Paul
We realise that but when and how much? Both our items were 3D printed and r.t.r finished and intended to sell as sets e.g. 2 Sharks and 5 or7 Catfish. aimed at supporting the re-release of the Dapol Dogfish. A by-product of the shark is the plough parts which can now be paired with other earlier Big 4 P/Way brakes if anyone wants one let me know.
regards
M
It's the 'Gannet' hopper wagon I'm hoping to see as its an LMS wagon. I'm hoping to get a rake, re-livery for LMS engineering and make a couple of 'Oyster' brake vans.