Hi all
Anyone got a list of all the different mk1 maroon coaches Farish have released over the years.
Thanks
Paul
Mr Carder does: http://ngauge.org.uk/bac_pass.php (http://ngauge.org.uk/bac_pass.php)
Excellent, just what I was looking for.
Paul
The attached may also help although it's not been updated for some while. Coaches start at page 26. The handy thing about it is that is shows running numbers so you can see what has been split from a set.
Well done for that, NPN. I think a readily accessible place on the forum should be found for this document, now that it's not on the Bachmann website any more.
Quote from: Yet_Another on September 02, 2018, 10:28:46 AM
Well done for that, NPN. I think a readily accessible place on the forum should be found for this document, now that it's not on the Bachmann website any more.
It's in The Knowledge Bank under 'F' :thumbsup:
Quote from: Newportnobby on September 02, 2018, 02:42:08 PM
Quote from: Yet_Another on September 02, 2018, 10:28:46 AM
Well done for that, NPN. I think a readily accessible place on the forum should be found for this document, now that it's not on the Bachmann website any more.
It's in The Knowledge Bank under 'F' :thumbsup:
I can only see dead links to the old website? :confused1:
Quote from: Yet_Another on September 02, 2018, 02:47:04 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on September 02, 2018, 02:42:08 PM
Quote from: Yet_Another on September 02, 2018, 10:28:46 AM
Well done for that, NPN. I think a readily accessible place on the forum should be found for this document, now that it's not on the Bachmann website any more.
It's in The Knowledge Bank under 'F' :thumbsup:
I can only see dead links to the old website? :confused1:
Sorry - I forgot mine was a PDF that had to be attached. It's there now.
I use the Model Rail Database https://www.modelraildatabase.com/coaches/, (https://www.modelraildatabase.com/coaches/,) which also shows ones for sale on e-Bay.
Incidentally, does anyone know of a method of determining where the models were made? I try to avoid the older Poole and early Chinese made ones as they are less detailed, but just going by year of manufacturer from the catalogue isn't always reliable.
If you have any boxes with said coaches a yellow stripe and a 4 digit number will indicate early poole farish. The more modern tooling has 6 digits. I did find this article a help https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/140512-how-to-know-the-difference/ (https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/140512-how-to-know-the-difference/)
True, but ones for sale on eBay don't always show the box or give the number, so I often have to resort to a little detective work, e.g. the running number or looking at the roof detail on coaches.
Quote from: HalfTheSizeTwiceTheFun on April 05, 2021, 01:33:38 PM
True, but ones for sale on eBay don't always show the box or give the number, so I often have to resort to a little detective work, e.g. the running number or looking at the roof detail on coaches.
fair point on that issue
I should have added that the RMweb link you provided is very useful!
Quote from: HalfTheSizeTwiceTheFun on April 05, 2021, 01:38:11 PM
I should have added that the RMweb link you provided is very useful!
no worries. Hope it helps
Best check;
Very old Poole-windows are a separate strip inserted into the body.
Couplings-if mounted on body, NEM pockets-Blue Ribband. If mounted on bogie-Poole or Chinese Poole.
Roof details-separate filler pipes on latest style
Underframe-older style quite crude and not totally prototypical (I changed all my Poole style to Ultima detailing kit).
On the Chinese Poole-style, i.e. before Blue Ribband, the livery was re-done which left a noticeably deeper coloured panel above the windows.
Bogies-Poole and early Chinese had generic bogie, very close to an LMS design. Blue Ribband BR1 bogies (don't know if they fit Commonwealth or B4, if appropriate, after my timescale).
Not comprehensive, but gives an idea of what to look out for.
Martyn
Try this brilliant site http://www.ngauge.org.uk/index.php (http://www.ngauge.org.uk/index.php)
Pictures of the different Farish Mk1 builds, catalogue numbers, livery details and running numbers.
That is one I use a great deal. Most useful site.
Check where the couplings are located. Mk1 Pullmans (which were never done pre Blue-Ribbon standard) and Mk2F's excepted all the other "Blue Ribbon" coaches from Farish have body mounted ones with close coupling mechanism and NEM pockets. Anything dating back to Poole era tooling (including early Chinese produced models) will have the coupling on the bogie.
Steven B.
Quote from: crewearpley40 on April 05, 2021, 01:25:35 PM
If you have any boxes with said coaches a yellow stripe and a 4 digit number will indicate early poole farish. The more modern tooling has 6 digits. I did find this article a help https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/140512-how-to-know-the-difference/ (https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/140512-how-to-know-the-difference/)
Not quite that simple unfortunately... A four-digit number is Poole made, but there were at least two distinct styles - those with the separate window inserts and fully printed on a clear shell.
Six-digit numbers are post Bachmann takeover Chinese made, but that includes Chinese production of the older types (sometimes with improved printed detail) as well as Blue Ribbons types.
To be honest, all you need is a clear photo, and the difference is obvious. (roof, underframe, bogies, end details all give aways)...
Yes Pld I knew it's not that simple, I saw others posts including Martyn' s at #14and I was trying to express myself when rudely interrupted. I knew the post takeover period models had 6 numbers , poole era had 4 numbers. I was trying to find photos but would have suggested that idea
Quote from: PLD on April 05, 2021, 11:39:35 PM
as well as Blue Ribbons types.
Note please the correct term is 'Blue Riband' like as in the biscuit :D
Can't get them here - actually maybe you can... I don't buy biscuits all that often
Quote from: Steven B on April 05, 2021, 05:25:53 PM
Check where the couplings are located. Mk1 Pullmans (which were never done pre Blue-Ribbon standard) and Mk2F's excepted all the other "Blue Ribbon" coaches from Farish have body mounted ones with close coupling mechanism and NEM pockets. Anything dating back to Poole era tooling (including early Chinese produced models) will have the coupling on the bogie.
Steven B.
Just to complicate things further there are two different leaf-sprung bogies on the Poole designed, Chinese made Mk1s. At some point the tooling was reworked, the later ones have more convincing sideframe detail and the coupler pocket a bit closer to the bogie pivot for closer coupling. I didn't spot this until I started fitting MTL knuckle couplers to some Chinese Mk1s to get rid of the huge gap between coaches.
Richard