Hello all!
The Graham Farish class 91 RTR is a crass model, it isn't well assembled, the printing could be improved and, like the 90, the buffer beam really ought to be attached to the body not the bogie. The model is neither DCC ready nor does it have lights however, with a bit of modifying, it can be made to look up to date! Now there is another thread on here that speaks about crowdfunding a 91+Mk4+DVT rake but frankly that is highly unlikely. With the development of the 90 in OO gauge by bachmann perhaps they'll make a 91 after the 90 sees the shrink ray but I doubt it, the "Archbishop Thomas Cranmer" set simply took too long to sell, unlike the mk4s.
This image shows the 91's dismal front end out of the box:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4330-210118155725.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60817)
And here it is, next to my detailed version: A good enough improvement I think
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4330-210118155831.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60818)
Criticism of the GNER 91 seems harsh in my opinion when compared to the swallow 91 from the nineties but I think the swallow worked better due to the white bogie as opposed to the black one on the GNER liveried models. Please see below:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4330-210118160441.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60819)
If anyone is interested here is a video I just made in response to the other one on here, I even speak on camera!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNFCxqVJqJQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNFCxqVJqJQ)
All in all I think the 91 can be made to look good without too much effort hence there is no need for a new one to be tooled and made :)
Hope this helps someone!
Philip
That's some nice detailing work. I think the Class 91 is a very handsome loco and it deserves a decent model, your changes really make a world of difference.
Nice work, thanks for video
Cheers Jon :)
Quote from: G_N_E_R on January 21, 2018, 04:06:53 PM
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/4330-210118155725.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60817)
Seen that image on Hatton's web site. It does seem to be a particularly badly made or badly posed example, as if the whole bogie/buffer beam moulding has dropped/come unclipped somewhere?
Hello!
Thank you Jon!
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It looks to be the track thats not flat on the board, thats how I recreated quite such a result!
Regards,
Philip
Thanks @G_N_E_R (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4330) for that, miost useful. Something else to add to the 'to do' list. I thgink one of the things that immediately improves the mkIV is adding seats which are cheaply available from br lines. But that is a big difference to the 91, much improved. I am duly inspired.
And one of these days I'll get round to converting from GNER to National Express which is a better fit for our era on Northallerton.
Cheers
Kirky
A marked improvement, nicely done. If you want to perform more drastic surgery the PH Designs etches for the class 90 lights fit, and make a huge difference.
Quote from: njee20 on January 22, 2018, 06:50:16 PM
A marked improvement, nicely done. If you want to perform more drastic surgery the PH Designs etches for the class 90 lights fit, and make a huge difference.
Any pictures of the that modification? Have a spare 91 bodyshell I'm tempted to have a go at improving.
Regarding the mk4s; I have a full rake of 8 Intercity livery, old Poole made, which are very dated. Is it worth trying to pick up some of the newer GNER types? Or better adding vinyls/seats to the ones I have?
I have a class 91 with mk4's with Electra vinyl's into VTEC. I only have a small layout at the moment but I think it looks fantastic (from a distance) and probably the only way to get this model for a long time.
Quote from: jacowin80 on January 22, 2018, 07:29:29 PM
I have a class 91 with mk4's with Electra vinyl's into VTEC. I only have a small layout at the moment but I think it looks fantastic (from a distance) and probably the only way to get this model for a long time.
@jacowin80 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5188)
pictuure please
cheers
kirky
Quote from: jacowin80 on January 22, 2018, 07:29:29 PM
I have a class 91 with mk4's with Electra vinyl's into VTEC. I only have a small layout at the moment but I think it looks fantastic (from a distance) and probably the only way to get this model for a long time.
Had the new Virgin livery in mind, I'd need to source some transfers, however the basic livery seems do-able for a relative novice to painting locos.
And like Kirkby, would also like to see the pics :thumbsup:
Quote from: Jameswgm on January 22, 2018, 07:41:18 PM
Quote from: jacowin80 on January 22, 2018, 07:29:29 PM
I have a class 91 with mk4's with Electra vinyl's into VTEC. I only have a small layout at the moment but I think it looks fantastic (from a distance) and probably the only way to get this model for a long time.
Had the new Virgin livery in mind, I'd need to source some transfers, however the basic livery seems do-able for a relative novice to painting locos.
And like Kirkby, would also like to see the pics :thumbsup:
I'm having a quick look through my Google photos now to see if I have anything to show without me having to get it all set up to take photos. I used the Electra website. Excellent service and easy to do. I'm happy with the result but it's not perfect upon close inspection. I think this is more to do with my skills though.
Sorry for the delay @kirky (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=492) @Jameswgm (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3074). Not the best photo but should give you an idea.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5188-220118202017.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60903)
Also a little video.
Quote from: jacowin80 on January 22, 2018, 08:24:41 PM
Sorry for the delay @kirky (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=492) @Jameswgm (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3074). Not the best photo but should give you an idea.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/5188-220118202017.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60903)
Also a little video.
@jacowin80 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5188)
Very nice work that. Thank you.
If you can be bothered to scroll through some of Northallerton pages we have a couple of pics of an HST in the virgin swosh. Not vinyls though, a re paint by one of our guys.
Cheers
Kirky
Quote from: Jameswgm on January 22, 2018, 06:54:08 PM
Quote from: njee20 on January 22, 2018, 06:50:16 PM
A marked improvement, nicely done. If you want to perform more drastic surgery the PH Designs etches for the class 90 lights fit, and make a huge difference.
Any pictures of the that modification? Have a spare 91 bodyshell I'm tempted to have a go at improving.
Regarding the mk4s; I have a full rake of 8 Intercity livery, old Poole made, which are very dated. Is it worth trying to pick up some of the newer GNER types? Or better adding vinyls/seats to the ones I have?
for the etches fitted to the 90, see here (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/74222-farish-class-90-upgrade-with-ph-designs-detail-parts/page-8). The same guy's done a 91, and it looks great, but not got photos to share! It's @cornish trains jez (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3248) he's not often here, but may want to show his excellent work off...!
re: mk4s they've never actually changed the model, the only thing I'd do is change to newer blackened wheels and fit interiors.
@kirky (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=492) Hello, I have been right through the Northallerton post in the past, love the layout and work which I would aspire to! The HST looks amazing and to do all that by hand is really quite something. Many thanks and all the best, James.
Quote from: jacowin80 on January 22, 2018, 08:46:12 PM
@kirky (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=492) Hello, I have been right through the Northallerton post in the past, love the layout and work which I would aspire to! The HST looks amazing and to do all that by hand is really quite something. Many thanks and all the best, James.
@jacowin80 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5188)
James
Well thank you very much, kind words indeed.
Yes Alan did the HST, but he is semi professional, and I always remind him he could do better :-))
Kirky
Hi,
Here is my Farish 91 with the addition of the PH Designs etched light clusters,
modified nose grill and etched brass buffers filed down to shape. The lights have been added to front and rear cabs.
I’ve also heavily modified and fitted a Dapol pantograph and some additional detailing below the front cab window. Lastly, the cab door hand rail recesses have been dug out and I plan to fit wire hand rails.
Here it is in primer undercoat and the warning panel yellow on.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/3248-220118230241.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60916)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/3248-220118230321.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60917)
Best regards,
Jeremy
Quote from: cornish trains jez on January 22, 2018, 11:04:56 PM
Hi,
Here is my Farish 91 with the addition of the PH Designs etched light clusters,
modified nose grill and etched brass buffers filed down to shape. The lights have been added to front and rear cabs.
I've also heavily modified and fitted a Dapol pantograph and some additional detailing below the front cab window. Lastly, the cab door hand rail recesses have been dug out and I plan to fit wire hand rails.
Here it is in primer undercoat and the warning panel yellow on.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/3248-220118230241.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60916)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/3248-220118230321.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60917)
Best regards,
Jeremy
Now that really is fantastic and just shows what can be done to a very crude model. Now if only I had the time and patience (and skills) to active something somewhere near that.
Quote from: njee20 on January 22, 2018, 08:37:24 PM
Quote from: Jameswgm on January 22, 2018, 06:54:08 PM
Quote from: njee20 on January 22, 2018, 06:50:16 PM
A marked improvement, nicely done. If you want to perform more drastic surgery the PH Designs etches for the class 90 lights fit, and make a huge difference.
Any pictures of the that modification? Have a spare 91 bodyshell I'm tempted to have a go at improving.
Regarding the mk4s; I have a full rake of 8 Intercity livery, old Poole made, which are very dated. Is it worth trying to pick up some of the newer GNER types? Or better adding vinyls/seats to the ones I have?
for the etches fitted to the 90, see here (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/74222-farish-class-90-upgrade-with-ph-designs-detail-parts/page-8). The same guy's done a 91, and it looks great, but not got photos to share! It's @cornish trains jez (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3248) he's not often here, but may want to show his excellent work off...!
Product page is here: (http://www.phd-design-etchings.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=25_29_59&product_id=57)
2mm N Gauge Class 90 Detail Set (http://www.phd-design-etchings.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=25_29_59&product_id=57)
Quote from: cornish trains jez on January 22, 2018, 11:04:56 PM
Hi,
Here is my Farish 91 with the addition of the PH Designs etched light clusters,
modified nose grill and etched brass buffers filed down to shape. The lights have been added to front and rear cabs.
I've also heavily modified and fitted a Dapol pantograph and some additional detailing below the front cab window. Lastly, the cab door hand rail recesses have been dug out and I plan to fit wire hand rails.
Here it is in primer undercoat and the warning panel yellow on.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/3248-220118230241.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60916)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/3248-220118230321.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60917)
Best regards,
Jeremy
My my Jeremy, this is spectacular! :D :D :D
Its also 2FS, not N gauge, but we won't hold that against him ;)
Right on cue, this month's Locomotives Illustrated dropped through my door today. Its the class 91s this month (well Feb - March 2018 - never did understand the dates on mags?). Well worth having a copy IMHO.
Cheers
Kirky
Although the Farish 91 is pretty crude by today's standards, it is very well proportioned and, as those pictures show, can scrub up into a very fine model with some work. This goes for a lot of Farish models from the late 80s onwards (with the notable exception of the 56).
I would love to see an up-to-date version but think this unlikely, as it may be a difficult sell.
A 3D printed set of valences with different coupling options could come in useful. Bernard Taylor did two detailing kits - one for the 91s as built and a later set for the GNER 91/1 conversions with extra side vents.
I followed the 91s from new on the ECML and still think of them as modern traction, despite their days being numbered.
Quote from: captainelectra on January 24, 2018, 10:00:19 PM
Although the Farish 91 is pretty crude by today's standards, it is very well proportioned and, as those pictures show, can scrub up into a very fine model with some work. This goes for a lot of Farish models from the late 80s onwards (with the notable exception of the 56).
I would love to see an up-to-date version but think this unlikely, as it may be a difficult sell.
A 3D printed set of valences with different coupling options could come in useful. Bernard Taylor did two detailing kits - one for the 91s as built and a later set for the GNER 91/1 conversions with extra side vents.
I followed the 91s from new on the ECML and still think of them as modern traction, despite their days being numbered.
Adam of course has a full range of vinyls available for the 91.
cheers
Kirky
As if by magic the new Modern Locomotives Illustrated volume is for the Class 91 in all its myriad detail and colours.
http://shop.keypublishing.com/issue/View/issue/MLI229?dm_i=4JU,5EUMT,9FJVY9,KY3LT,1 (http://shop.keypublishing.com/issue/View/issue/MLI229?dm_i=4JU,5EUMT,9FJVY9,KY3LT,1)
Having now detailed all four of my 91s it will soon be time to fit interiors, passengers and lighting to the mk4's. In the meantime, sound was added digitally :P...
https://youtu.be/HLQ6BV_mfqA
Quote from: G_N_E_R on February 25, 2018, 09:39:42 PM
Having now detailed all four of my 91s it will soon be time to fit interiors, passengers and lighting to the mk4's. In the meantime, sound was added digitally :P...
https://youtu.be/HLQ6BV_mfqA
Hope you'll post updates on the lighting :thumbsup:
Will do if requested :P
Regards, Philip
Just bumping this thread because I dont think I've seen this mentioned on here anywhere.
https://hornbymagazine.keypublishing.com/2019/03/04/caxalex-launches-first-locomotive-project-the-class-91/
Does anyone have any further details? I cant seem to find a Cavalax website.
cheers
Kirky
There's a link to https://www.cavalexmodels.com/ (https://www.cavalexmodels.com/) at the foot of the article you link to Kirky. However, with ludicrously bad timing the site is down for maintenance at the moment.
There's a lot of stuff on RMWEB, but of course that covers the Accurascale OO version as well.
Cavalex and Accurascale are working together on this, I'm just thankful that they have never operated around Wigan and Central Lancashire, yet!
Regards,
John P
Previous discussion here:- https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=44627.msg557075#msg557075 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=44627.msg557075#msg557075)
Cavalex website is having a revamp at the moment.
Quote from: jpendle on April 17, 2019, 06:42:43 PM
There's a lot of stuff on RMWEB, but of course that covers the Accurascale OO version as well.
Cavalex and Accurascale are working together on this,
Are they? I've not read that at all. The thread covers both gauges, yes, but i'd not seen anything about Accurascale being involved.
Sure you're not thinking of the mk5 coaches where Accurascale are doing the OO gauge ones and Revolution are doing N?
It is really poor timing for Cavalex to be redoing their website; don't get that at a, they've launched at least 6 products across 2 gauges announced recently and no information available.
Thanks guys, its seems I've been asleep!
Anyway, how come when I searched 'Cavalax class 91' it spewed exactly zero results?
Cheers
Kirky
It's Cavalex, not Cavalax - it's Cavan Millward and Alex whose surname I don't know; RBE and GrimleyGrid on RMWeb (and Cav's on here too).
Quote from: kirky on April 17, 2019, 09:56:53 PM
Thanks guys, its seems I've been asleep!
Anyway, how come when I searched 'Cavalax class 91' it spewed exactly zero results?
Cheers
Kirky
Unfortunately the topic on here does not have Class in the title. A search for "Cavalex 91" throws it up, and using the Google search function on here "Cavalex Class 91" gives the topic as the first result. Nothing's simple is it?
Quote from: jpendle on April 17, 2019, 06:42:43 PM
I'm just thankful that they have never operated around Wigan and Central Lancashire, yet!
The class 91 & Mk4s managed to get to Manchester. At least one train ran to promote Manchester's bid for the Olympics; Not sure if this is the same train or another occurance (possibly the latter if the caption's correct):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/84648023@N08/10511941154 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/84648023@N08/10511941154)
Steven B.
Quote from: njee20 on April 17, 2019, 10:02:13 PM
It's Cavalex, not Cavalax
Good god, if there is a way to **** up the internet, I'm sure to find it!
Thanks Nick.
Kirky
For what it's worth I had a chat with the Cav half of this Enterprise last Saturday at Trainwest (showing the excellent Burton on Trent).
The determination to produce a quality product was obvious, as was the wish to do sensible things with packaging. Of course all the coaches, DVT and loco are to be offered at the same time, but there are thoughts about booksets vs individual items.
There are advantages to both, but selling the loco on its own would offer a cheaper alternative and the 91 could still be used as the basis for those HST sets with one power car providing the "surrogate DVT" role.
Skyline2uk
Quote from: Skyline2uk on April 18, 2019, 06:54:45 PM
There are advantages to both, but selling the loco on its own would offer a cheaper alternative and the 91 could still be used as the basis for those HST sets with one power car providing the "surrogate DVT" role.
Or allow folks to upgrade their Farish loco/DVT and retain any existing Mk4s they have - buying full trains is increasingly expensive these days!
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Dr Al on April 19, 2019, 10:50:43 AM
Quote from: Skyline2uk on April 18, 2019, 06:54:45 PM
There are advantages to both, but selling the loco on its own would offer a cheaper alternative and the 91 could still be used as the basis for those HST sets with one power car providing the "surrogate DVT" role.
Or allow folks to upgrade their Farish loco/DVT and retain any existing Mk4s they have - buying full trains is increasingly expensive these days!
Cheers,
Alan
Also true :thumbsup:
Skyline2uk
Surely opens then up for more sales too if they offer any of the 'special' liveried 91s. Definitely the way to do it IMO.