Travellers have been advised to avoid London Waterloo station all day after a train derailed outside the station.
The train partly left the tracks as it was pulling away from a platform at low speed at 05:40 BST, Network Rail said.
See http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40933704 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40933704) for full story.
Seeing the photos from above, I thought "Yes, that's exactly what it looks like when you drive a model EMU into a goods train!"
I also thought the ballasting was done very nicely too. Must have taken them hours :)
But the point wiring looks really untidy. Bad soldering indeed!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/1517-150817103937.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=54281)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/1517-150817104011.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=54282)
Oh dear! I hope the Class 456 is OK?! I can't believe how they're being abused since leaving Southern service! :'( ;) ;D
I think my grandson must have been working the points and signals thats what happens when he is let loose on.my layout which is not very often.and at least no one was seriously hurt .but thats made thing a lot worse for everyone trying to get to work this morning, Waterloo.is a no go area for a long while now with all the work going on.
Bob Tidbury
Quote from: Tank on August 15, 2017, 10:50:55 AM
Oh dear! I hope the Class 456 is OK?! I can't believe how they're being abused since leaving Southern service! :'( ;) ;D
By "abused" do you mean "have been repainted into ANOTHER livery that ISN'T Network Southeast"? ;) >:D ;)
Skyline2uk
:laughabovepost: Yes, there is that! :thumbsup:
He's got you worked out, boss! :thumbsup:
If it was still in toothpaste livery the driver could have claimed he was just whitening those dirt wagons!! :P
Ok time to get my coat :-[
If the vinyls peel off, they can always get some more from Adam :)
Quote from: Bob G on August 15, 2017, 02:40:41 PM
If the vinyls peel off, they can always get some more from Adam :)
It may save First/MTR South Western some work livery when it becomes the first unit in their livery!
Dodger
Looks like a bad week
Ely derailed freight train continues to cause chaos - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-40941523 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-40941523)
Chaos at Kings Cross today too as another passenger service hit the blocks...
Hi ,
The 377 that hit blocks at KX pushed blocks back all of 4 feet and the train removed in just a few hours back to depot and all lines reopened - the immediate repair was a sleeper chained to rails as a temp stop point and a red flashing stop board clamped to rail.
A train that arrived shortly was split in two to provide sets for services diagrammed for the one that kissed the buffers. Some congestion that was all and evening peak not affected by it.
A reasonable recovery compared to the meagre efforts at Ely.
Quote from: robert shrives on August 16, 2017, 05:02:26 AM
A reasonable recovery compared to the meagre efforts at Ely.
I would suggest that
they have a bit more work to do in Ely, than compared to KX... :hmmm:
Looking at the photos, it would seem that most (or all) of the Freightliner train is off the track. :o
(http://images.archant.co.uk/polopoly_fs/1.5149127.1502793718!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/image.jpg)
There are also reports, from Network Rail, that the track has been torn up. By the look of that photo, that's undoubtedly going to be the case. :goggleeyes:
Given that a typical Freightliner train can amount to a 1,000 tons (or more), compared to the leading Driving Coach of a 377 (about 40 tons?), there is an order of magnitude difference.
The recovery operation will take a few days. From the BBC website, it's possible to see that this derailment has occurred on a double-track section. A likely recovery process might entail:
- bringing up a suitable (rail-mounted?) lifting crane, for the containers
- bringing up a rake of empty container flats, on the other track
- lifting all the ISO container boxes onto these empty container flats
- then lifting the derailed (now empty) container flats onto the other track
- repairing (relaying) the damaged track, along with a fair bit of re-ballasting work
All of the above assumes that the other track is available to be used - that it is still stable enough - and that there is sufficient clearance to get such a rescue train along (I'm not sure that there is...).
I'm sure that there are others on the NGF who can give a more accurate and 'qualified' description of the likely recovery operation
(than I have outlined above). But either way, there's quite a lot more work to be done to get the line open again, than they had to do at KX.
Mind you, I am pleasantly impressed by your description of events at KX. It would seem that we do still have some people who know how to run (and recover) the railway, under all circumstances...! :thumbsup:
Charles.
Hi ,
Yes Ely comment a bit in cheek, it seems crane at March Kingmoor and has been for several days, site given back 15.30 yesterday, derailment first reported 14.22 on 14/08, crane still to leave depot as the method of working not agreed.
Yes down line closed up line open for crane to work alongside and load flats to clear train and then recover of waggons to start line tentatively hoped to be open Monday morning. A week to recover and reopen line, lucky there is not a war on!! massive diversions for freight and large number of passenger alterations with incumbent issue of not enough staff about for any of the businesses affected. But XC running full service bothsides with upward of 30 road vehicles between.
ho hum !!
Robert
Well crane now on way and all in place for recovery of containers overnight planned completion!
The Ely l0oks like it could be rather difficult to deal with, firstly got to get the containers off so they can get at the wagons so the crane will be working over time!
But getting the containers off the train and on there way will be interesting, my thought is they will either move them out by road or if they are to be reloaded on to another train then bringing in a road crane as well I don't think the rail crane with have a good enough reach to cross deck the containers without involving multiple trips to bring in 2 maybe 3 container flats at a time.
Hi seems they are using a kirov crane which is 250 tonne capacity if it is the one I think it is, its on rail reach is very good but seems are confident that it can load wagons easily enough. It could perhaps pick up 5 off and then lift others while train is swapped over and then load the rest on a second trip. I guess customers are bit miffed at time taken so I guess pressure is on.
Several of the flats reported to be bogie less but not seen that confirmed but a rake of perch sort of flats would allow a repeat lift and clearly with machines on site ready and waiting the ballast can be levelled and panels lifted in to place with the Krirov and RRVs
Only saving grace is that it not much more than a very good stone throw from Whitemoor PW depot so material easy to obtain... I hate to think what any cables are like so while we may get line back Monday I guess it will not be fully signaled...
Find out more tomorrow 12 hr shift - joy of joys OT to allow other controllers put staff f to jobs for Friday , by which time the planners should have weekend rosters and diagrams fully sorted.
more ho hum !! and tea
Robert
Being a bit pedantic, in these days of privatisation, do we need to be a little clearer in our labelling of operators/trains?
By this, I mean that the derailed container train, is technically, (I think) GBRF, and not Freightliner........
And yes, I know, generically all ISO container trains used to be, and still may be, called 'Freightliners' from the good old days......
Pedantically
Martyn
Martyn,
Quite agree - it is often hard to sort out and even NR controls mess it up all the time with some zones using the TOPS commercial code and the differing business sector codes.
Often it is a case of knowing the donkey on the front or back and the terminal TOPS codes/ stanox / short hand to know who is running what.
Worse NR cannot even sort out headcodes correctly, let alone upload schedules or worse unilaterally changing schedules to reduce delay minutes - this scuppers all down line information systems at stations and devices of all kinds ( perhaps not smoke signals! )
[Rant mode off] !!
Quote from: robert shrives on August 16, 2017, 05:00:26 PM
Hi seems they are using a kirov crane which is 250 tonne capacity if it is the one I think it is, its on rail reach is very good but seems are confident that it can load wagons easily enough. It could perhaps pick up 5 off and then lift others while train is swapped over and then load the rest on a second trip. I guess customers are bit miffed at time taken so I guess pressure is on.
Robert
Sorry to have to correct you but the crane is not capable of lifting 250 tonnes. The crane is a Kirow 1200 crane, 81612, owned by Colas. It has a maximum capacity of 125 Tonne at 9.6 metres. It arrived at approx 15.00.
Dodger
Hi Thanks Dodger, always rely on more info coming. but even at 125 t it will be a useful tool, 1500 arrival a bit disappointing given it only had to come from March and was reported to be leaving at 10.00, was it pushed by hand !! Still a mighty piece of kit - just found photo in Wagon Recognition V 2 by Martin Buck and Mark Rawlinson.
I recall a Kirov on Southern falling over at Waterloo or thereabouts some years ago so hopefully better luck this time and I hope the crew have a good and successful night as we all need the line back.
Robert
Quote from: martyn on August 16, 2017, 06:42:00 PM
Being a bit pedantic, in these days of privatisation, do we need to be a little clearer in our labelling of operators/trains?
By this, I mean that the derailed container train, is technically, (I think) GBRF, and not Freightliner........
And yes, I know, generically all ISO container trains used to be, and still may be, called 'Freightliners' from the good old days......
Pedantically
Martyn
Oooh Martyn, you're making me feel old... :o
(and I never thought I'd ever say that...!)I'd rather not give away my exact age; but in December I will be the same age as the NGS and MERG
(of which I am a member of both organisations). Just don't add up those two numbers... :worried:
I did work, very briefly, on Freightliners
Ltd and I do miss those
'good old days'... I think... :confused1:
I thought I was using the word
'freightliner' in its generic sense, although I'm not entirely sure. :D
So far, I've resisted buying any diesels or electrics that are 'post-modern', making a gracious exception for the 'Patriot 66'. ::)
Charles.
Hi Charles;
Tongue in cheek, the point that I was trying to make was that when 'Freightliner' was part of the 1960s BR modernisation plan, they were the only operator handling the traffic, and so everybody called ISO container trains 'Freightliners', even if they were carrying containers belonging to other companies.
Now, in the days of Privatisation, and each company having its own advertising, social media, public image, etc, I was just wondering if Freightliner might, theoretically, take umbrage if it was said that a Freightliner train was derailed, when it was actually another operator.
I don't think they would-but in these days of litigation, one never knows........
BTW, I think I can beat you in the age stakes-and Harwich Parkeston Quay, where my father worked, was the first marine ISO container terminal in the UK....and I well remember seeing it built on the site of the former loco shed, and Freightliner and Ford containers (as well as others) being handled.
Not so pedantically
Martyn
Not sure but I thought the name for this traffic is now "Inter-modal"? Which sort of suggests containers moved by road / rail / sea... But I'm sure someone somewhere will know the correct terminology. Some of us older people still tend to refer to container trains as "Freightliners" as a throwback to BR days when Freightliner was the BR branding for the container trains.
John
Hi site news was good at 14.00 with the 12.30 report showing points being plain railled, old track remains gone and base ballast going in. Sunday all day reserved for S&T work and plan for Monday opening 04.00.
Work on 24hs a day with a messing area of portacabins installed at nearby level crossing. Hopefully weather will hold and the slack time in the works will see all back to time.
All good but know doubt somebody in for a shoeing when all the performance and finance battles settled - that dust may take longer to settle that at Ely
Robert
Colas Kirow Crane 81612 has just been through Peterborough topped and tailed by 2 GBRF 66s, and a load of ballast wagons full of used ballast by the looks of them.
Another derailment today at Paddington this time.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40991544 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40991544)
Just spotted that Paddington derailment on BBC before coming on here!
So in the space of a week you have had 3 derailments and a low speed collision, is it me or are the actual railways (not the workers) trying to tell us something - like if the kids get 6 weeks off so should we!!