Can anybody confirm that Dapol has raised the height of their newer (yellow painted gangway doors) coaches? The boss/pivot for the bogies appears taller.
Which livery? I've got a myriad of different gangway colours and never noticed any difference.
Blue / grey M12063 tso with fawn end seems lower than M11028 1st with yellow end?
Yellow is 20.8 -20.9mm from boss to roof while fawn is 20.5 - 20.7mm. It seems to be down to how well or not the chassis fit the body???
The little contact strips that appear above the bogies (I must paint them) appear more prominent on all but my older fawn M12063. I think that it is the chassis fit. Not very positive and lowers the coach if too snug.
All of mine are newer (prototypically) liveries, so can't comment. They have been consistent for a while though, about time Dapol screwed them up. Surprised they've not changed the shade of blue too.
Any variance is maybe down to the different staff assembling different production batches.
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well having now closely looked the corridor connection is a glued on part and yes it has been improved it is slightly longer and has the rubbing plate lower brackets moulded -the first version is flush bottomed. The basic tooling for the shell as a TS/TF and TRSB are the same and the TGS has slightly finessed end details but space the moulding fits in seems the same and roofs can be swapped and still fit.
The Bellows differ everso slightly with a flatter top on the TGS thus making it appear taller- its less that 0.5 of a mm so well spotted - it is also slightly shallower but that might be paint thickness only.
Well having painted , chopped and otherwise messed I had neverspotted the change - I think this is as a result of the TGS moulded parts being used across the range of latest models.
In the real world we can run with a 50mm step in connections in passenger service- more and it is a case of faffing with leveling valves and lowering suspensions on adjoining vehicles and 100 mph max.. I do think the model was designed for this feature but if it was gosh Dapol really taking it just too far !!!!!!! :) :D
Robert
Given stocks of MK3s about to made for the latest HST variations who wants to see the stripe corrected and printing moved on bodysides to be slightly nearer spot on. Given Dapol are showing complete rakes as available at the same time- something we have asked for in the past perhaps there is an appetite for change.
This would mean production would be a step change from 2017 and would not quite match earlier stocks ... my fault that TGS numbers were scale size but is this the way my learned friends we want to go? Its a bit like Windows I v W10 back compatibility.
Let me know
Robert
Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about...
Stripe corrected? Which livery? What's wrong with it? Your fault that TGS numbers are scale size? Complete rakes available a step change from 2017 i.e. now...?!
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Quote from: robert shrives on July 16, 2017, 09:57:49 PM
Given stocks of MK3s about to made for the latest HST variations who wants to see the stripe corrected and printing moved on bodysides to be slightly nearer spot on. Given Dapol are showing complete rakes as available at the same time- something we have asked for in the past perhaps there is an appetite for change.
This would mean production would be a step change from 2017 and would not quite match earlier stocks ... my fault that TGS numbers were scale size but is this the way my learned friends we want to go? Its a bit like Windows I v W10 back compatibility.
Let me know
Robert
I have a Poole era Farish Class 20 in bits. If it was a runner still, would I have protested against the retooled Bachmann Farish model? No, I would - as indeed I did - welcome the more accurate model.
So no, I don't want Dapol to knowingly produce an inaccurate model, just for the sake of uniformity of my stock. I want the most accurate model the manufacturer can reasonably reproduce. And if any inaccuracies can be corrected between batches, they should be.
Not sure how I feel about that. The debacle of the roofs of Swallow mk3s being 3 different colours is just stupid. On the Pretendolino mk3s the roof on the buffet and TSO twin pack are satin, whilst they're gloss on all others.
On the FGW ones they got the correct door labels on the TRFB only, but the Dynamic Lines are wrong, all other coaches have wrong door labels and correct lines! They've all got black roofs, which is wrong (but ironically looks better than the blue as they're always so dirty).
As long as it's close I'd rather they matched. On the Virgin ones I don't know if the roofs are satin or gloss in reality. The problem is what is close?
There's the difficulty - we don't all favour the same solution to a problem with a model. Wouldn't surprise me if some of the problems with Dapol Mk3s have been exacerbated by their attempts to answer this camp's critique, then answer that camp's critique, yo-yoing one way then the other. So we've had one inaccuracy answered by making it inaccurate in another way, then another, etc. etc.
Any comment about chassis not fitting body shells very well? Bending to make them fit. No positive click when fitted? I am tempted to reach for the glue if it wasn't for occasional access required to the coupler mechanism.
Nope, I've got about 30, and they're all fine in that respect. Send it back if it's new?
Quote from: njee20 on July 17, 2017, 07:50:14 AM
Nope, I've got about 30, and they're all fine in that respect. Send it back if it's new?
And I thought that I was a coach nut! :drool:
Maybe I'm just too fussy and/or spent too much time modelling Japanese and German N :dunce:
Where models are more precisely made and assembled :hmmm:
Adds up quickly frankly, FGW rake, Pretendolino rake, ATW rake, Network Rail set, few spares. Have had another 15 or so through my hands and must say I've never had a problem with any of them. The only annoying thing can be the couplings getting 'dislocated' when pushing. I use 3D printed bar couplings on mine which make them run far better when propelled.
Hi ,
Then just to get this right, getting a match across a rake is the right thing and if a whole rake is to be made available at the same time then putting it right in terms of logos ,stripes, roof colours and end data panels is the way to go.
Railtec and Fox produce correct - to my eye- stripe packs but sales ?? So have few corrected or are unwilling to correct.
As noted the organic method of correction fails to please any camp.
The Blue GW sets have been a real pain with the gestation period of the three coach types and the train pack coaches not matching the loose vehicles. Yes I agree roof compromise the best that could be achieved, an all over blue roof would be over powering.
Thanks for thoughts gang - something to mull over while out and about today.
Robert
I've got nearly 70 Dapol mk3's, I didn't believe it when I counted them! Never had a problem with chassis fit so I agree with njee20, send it back if it is new..
I have had problems with droopy NEM pockets though!
Cheers
Mark
And what is the cure for the dapol droop? :o My HST set uses printed bars as I got so fed up with parting. :scowl: PARTING I said.
I'm gonna throw a cat amongst the pigeons here... I work for GWR, and I've seen coaches coming back from overhaul with blue roofs, mixed into rakes with black roofs, and every shade of dirt in between. I can kind of understand people's wish for a uniform looking rake of coaches, but the real thing is not like that. They all weather differently, they all go through overhaul at different times, they all have different maintenance done on them as required. We are now seeing green GWR liveried locos and coaches mixed with FGW blue coaches and vice Verda, due to operational requirements. There is a prototype for everything.
I think Dapol and Bachman can both improve certain things, I grant you that, but I also think they do a great job with models that are 1inch high and 6inches long. Let's push for greater accuracy, yes, but let's be thankful too for the efforts they do make.
Just my thoughts, cheers, Timmo
All FGW Dynamic Lines mk3s have blue roofs, however they get filthy very quickly, so it appears they have a black roof. There's a defined line between blue and black because that's where the carriage washers reach.
It's one of the amusing places where Dapol is wrong, but it looks right, IMO when you do see a clean mk3 with a blue roof it looks way too bright. I'm happy they got this wrong, and certainly wouldn't want it corrected. Not that I need to buy any more.
Hi,
Glad your amused by it the amount of angst in whether to follow the livery diagrams or photos and verbal info can only be imagined- except I was there !
Scale colour anybody? Who would be a manufacturer! It not a problem because even the gauge is wrong !!
Happy modelling - Just been painting grave stones !!
Robert
I wonder if a decal ( transfer in my day) could be made that would simulate a dirty roof with feathering into clear to represent where the washers reached? Don't ask me to airbrush it but I suppose I could try on an old GF mk3 I have :hmmm:
Hi
Two thoughts on that - the printing process for feathering a bit pixelated which spoils effect and getting a decal to sit down on the roof ribs might be a RPITA ...
Have fun spray but would suggest a wide flat brush loaded with black/ dirty thinners as a wash and then cotton buds used as wipes to remove most might be more fun - To replicate washer then leave middle ribs alone for full depth matt mix and then on last two ribs clean more away and leave a trace on last rib - go for a longways removal pattern but last curve of roof a slight light downward trace for rain washed/ cleaner rinse effect.
Un like normal advice of having all different levels of weathering the simulation of a carriage wash should have whole rake the same, but if you wanted to have a spare inserted due to knocking out a failed one that one could be much cleaner - but not always so it could be worse but certainly a way of having a varation
Robert
I think that I would wimp out and do chalks that I could wash off. Then again I am 1970s / 80s :bounce: