Hi Guys,
In a press release from Kernow Models...it seems that finally, some newly liveried Class 86s are heading our way.
86401 in Caley Blue ( incorrectly labelled as Meg Mons!!)
86259 Les Ross/Peter Pan in Electric Blue
86216 Meteor in BR Blue
86213 in IC Exec
Let's hope the correct bodies are used and the printing And colouring is well researched.
Press release here...
http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/c/953/Dapol (http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/c/953/Dapol)
Later,
Stu from EGDL
Were the original bodies incorrect? I've been collecting a few as they pop up, these new releases are in my range but hopefully it will cause some of the earlier ones to hit the marketplace
Hi There,
A couple of the liveries were not quite well executed....but the correct bodies have a centre headlight on some but not others. I'm assuming the correct tdm fitted body will be used for 401. Good job the ACLG didn't put the MW boxes back on like they did with 87002!!
Later,
Stu from EGDL
If they deliver what is proposed it looks like they have listened to peoples suggestions on the Dapol Digest
Quote from: StufromEGDL on April 18, 2017, 05:25:09 PM
86401 in Caley Blue ( incorrectly labelled as Meg Mons!!)
Was glad they chose that one over Sir William A Stanier FRS as it saves me renaming but looks like I still may need to! :smiley-laughing:
If 86213 is indeed in IC Exec I do hope I can resist it :drool:.
Great choices, can't believe they've not done another batch of IC Swallow too.
I was hoping for 236 but that's just me being selfish as it was a favorite, plus the unique blue nameplate was always an eye catcher (until virgin painted it black and red)
Hello all,
Mmmm 86259. That saves me a respray.
Cheers
Ben A.
Kernowmodels are selling the old ones for £49.99. Very tempting, but just not needed.
The BR blue Class 86 is certainly welcome, though for the price, £93.95, it's not much cheaper than the limited edition BR blue ones sold through C&M Models some years back!
It's a shame that true "as built" AL6s in electric blue livery aren't on the cards, but I guess the amount of work needed to create them isn't justified.
Nice to hear that Dapol hasn't abandoned 'N' despite some of the rumours floating about!
Cheers, NeMo
I personally believe this may be indicative of the Dapol N strategy for the foreseeable future; re-offering existing models in new liveries. The idea (purely an assumption on my part) being to build up some cash using paid for tooling.
If Dapol choose liveries carefully this might be a winner, I remember reading on this forum for example that blue 86s were very popular and didn't have the production to match.
Having checked the Kerno page I think the cheap ones are only in EWS now?
Skyline2uk
Quote from: NeMo on April 18, 2017, 09:09:19 PM
The BR blue Class 86 is certainly welcome, though for the price, £93.95, it's not much cheaper than the limited edition BR blue ones sold through C&M Models some years back
Why would it be?
Poor poor choice of 86213 in IC Exec - they've already done '213 in Swallow!!! Could they not have chose a different number!!
Sounds cheapskate, so they can reuse print or nameplates.
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: scottmitchell74 on April 18, 2017, 08:34:49 PM
Kernowmodels are selling the old ones for £49.99. Very tempting, but just not needed.
Just looked and couldn't see any under their Dapol page.
Maybe they sold them all, I'm not surprised at that price.
John P
Wow, gone already! Well, that made my decision for me.
Quote from: Skyline2uk on April 18, 2017, 09:32:47 PM
I personally believe this may be indicative of the Dapol N strategy for the foreseeable future; re-offering existing models in new liveries. The idea (purely an assumption on my part) being to build up some cash using paid for tooling.
If Dapol choose liveries carefully this might be a winner, I remember reading on this forum for example that blue 86s were very popular and didn't have the production to match.
There was apparently a limited production run exclusive to a certain model shop, making them rarer than hen's teeth, I ended up getting the Network Rail pair with an eye to respraying as there was no sign Dapol would bring out blue again...
Quote from: Skyline2uk on April 18, 2017, 09:32:47 PM
I personally believe this may be indicative of the Dapol N strategy for the foreseeable future; re-offering existing models in new liveries. The idea (purely an assumption on my part) being to build up some cash using paid for tooling.
Does make business sense if
WE are after other liveries of a model they already do then it would be stupid not too! I am after all by the IC livery so I am a happy boy well that's if I get in there fast enough to at least get some i am after!
Quote from: njee20 on April 18, 2017, 10:14:32 PM
Quote from: NeMo on April 18, 2017, 09:09:19 PM
The BR blue Class 86 is certainly welcome, though for the price, £93.95, it's not much cheaper than the limited edition BR blue ones sold through C&M Models some years back
Why would it be?
At the time the C&M blue 86/2 was a limited edition run. Selling price was over the £100 mark, when the standard Dapol 86s (mostly 86/4s) were around £70-80, and of course regularly discounted to well below that.
For some reason the BR blue 86/2s were not a strong seller for C&M, and it took them several years to sell them all. Hopefully this second batch will sell better, but I guess modelling the 1980s WCML scene is rather less widely done than modelling the contemporary WCML. Of course this has been discussed endlessly, but at least with the modern WCML you've got a good range of EMUs either in production (Class 350) or on the way (Classes 319, 321 and 390) whereas there's really nothing appropriate to the 1980s WCML beyond diesel traction.
Cheers, NeMo
Quote from: NeMo on April 19, 2017, 06:16:55 AM
Quote from: njee20 on April 18, 2017, 10:14:32 PM
Quote from: NeMo on April 18, 2017, 09:09:19 PM
The BR blue Class 86 is certainly welcome, though for the price, £93.95, it's not much cheaper than the limited edition BR blue ones sold through C&M Models some years back
Why would it be?
At the time the C&M blue 86/2 was a limited edition run. Selling price was over the £100 mark, when the standard Dapol 86s (mostly 86/4s) were around £70-80, and of course regularly discounted to well below that.
For some reason the BR blue 86/2s were not a strong seller for C&M, and it took them several years to sell them all. Hopefully this second batch will sell better, but I guess modelling the 1980s WCML scene is rather less widely done than modelling the contemporary WCML. Of course this has been discussed endlessly, but at least with the modern WCML you've got a good range of EMUs either in production (Class 350) or on the way (Classes 319, 321 and 390) whereas there's really nothing appropriate to the 1980s WCML beyond diesel traction.
Part of the problem is that possibly potential buyers weren't aware that there was a limited edition only available from a certain supplier? I remember when entering N gauge a couple of years back not finding any evidence that BR blue 86s existed and only found out (via this forum) where they could be obtained, a few months after they'd sold their last one.
Availability of suitable EMUs regardless, I shall purchase one, because BR blue is my preferred era and the "modern" stuff is all strange to me. Also I believe there are kits or whatever to create at least some earlier WCML EMUs, not that I'm likely to get round to it in the near future.
I understand what you're saying NeMo, but still not sure why they should be markedly (if at all) cheaper than the C&M models, when everything else has moved on. Indeed I'm surprised at the pricing, which seems very competitive. I guess it's reflective of the poor sales in certain liveries.
I think the 86 was a slow burner - I picked up 213 in IC Swallow for £50 from Kernow incidentally, when they were clearing them out. Demand obviously then sky rocketed and they were going for 3 times that. It's a bit of a sad indictment that people perhaps expect subsequent, high demand runs to reflect the poor popularity of some of the original liveries.
Hi Guys;
I agree with Dr Al earlier that 86213 is a poor choice as it has already been don, albeit in IC Swallow livery. However, it's not the end of the world to renumber and rename....hopefully, if plates are fitted, they will come off easily with no damage. I can feel an 86224 Caledonian coming on with larger numbers and red bufferbeams.
86216 in BR Blue lends itself to easy renumbering and will complement the C&M models previously released. With a short name (Meteor), that shouldnt cause too many drams for renaming either.
I just wonder if 86401 in Caley Blue (and I hope that they name it properly as Mon's Meg) will be the poor seller that 86401 in NSE previously was. I suspect that 86259 will also prove to be a niche model.
So, definately a couple of IC, one (at least) BR Blue and one Caley Blue...then I'll wait to see what gets discounted!!!
Does anyone have any idea when they might arrive?
Later;
STU from EGDL
On the offchance anyone need Railfreighty-liveries, Hattons has some at a slight discount:
http://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklist/1000396/1000589/1000672/0/Dapol_N_Gauge_Electric_locos/prodlist.aspx (http://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklist/1000396/1000589/1000672/0/Dapol_N_Gauge_Electric_locos/prodlist.aspx)
Quote from: njee20 on April 19, 2017, 07:36:48 AM
I understand what you're saying NeMo, but still not sure why they should be markedly (if at all) cheaper than the C&M models, when everything else has moved on.
I think you're looking to win an argument where there isn't one. I don't disagree with you. I was merely observing how the price of a special edition when they first came out is now the standard pricing for a basic model. That's all!
Cheers, NeMo
Hattons have Class 86/2 86213 "Lancashire Witch" listed as Intercity Executive but show a loco in Intercity Swallow livery.
I wonder which it will be. Hopefully I/C Exec to save me a repaint!
Happy modelling.
Steven B.
A good selection and as seen on the Dapol digest pages, all get my collecting vote
Robert
I would have thought an RES one would have been in there, especially with the amount of places those things would pop up on passenger, Mail, excursion work, I recall the sleepers out of Euston were regularly pulled by them on the ECS moves to Wembley, they even had one in Intercity livery with small res flashes under the cab (should be an easy alteration), 86 208 was the one
Dapol did a RES liveried 86 previously didn't they - it hung around on the shelves for ages. I think the point was to try and do liveries they haven't done before (BR blue apart).
Cheers, Mike
Quote from: Dr Al on April 18, 2017, 10:59:40 PM
Poor poor choice of 86213 in IC Exec - they've already done '213 in Swallow!!! Could they not have chose a different number!!
Sounds cheapskate, so they can reuse print or nameplates.
Cheers,
Alan
I brought this up on the Dapol Digest this afternoon.. hopefully Dapol will respond.
Cheers
Mark
Quote from: red_death on April 19, 2017, 04:20:42 PM
Dapol did a RES liveried 86 previously didn't they - it hung around on the shelves for ages.
Cheers, Mike
Yes they did Hattons had a load so I got a couple to add to my collection of err a few class 86s (20 of them!! :-[ ) There is only one livery that I would have liked to have been done which is the Colas livery which is 86701, but it lasted for a heartbeat so I can totally understand why dapol aren't willing to have a gamble on that one!
But nothing a repaint cant sort out at some stage!
I didn't realize they did it, another one to add to my search list, they don't come up that often, and when they do prices seem to be through the roof, Intercity ones seem to be quite rare on the open market too
Quote from: NeMo on April 19, 2017, 09:16:45 AM
Quote from: njee20 on April 19, 2017, 07:36:48 AM
I understand what you're saying NeMo, but still not sure why they should be markedly (if at all) cheaper than the C&M models, when everything else has moved on.
I think you're looking to win an argument where there isn't one. I don't disagree with you. I was merely observing how the price of a special edition when they first came out is now the standard pricing for a basic model. That's all!
Nope, just trying to understand your perspective, which you've explained :)
Quote from: Intercity on April 19, 2017, 05:59:20 PM
I didn't realize they did it, another one to add to my search list, they don't come up that often, and when they do prices seem to be through the roof, Intercity ones seem to be quite rare on the open market too
I think like many of them they sold poorly initially, and then the market woke up to them and demand soared, but many had already sold out by then.
Quote from: CaleyDave on April 18, 2017, 07:19:08 PM
Was glad they chose that one over Sir William A Stanier FRS as it saves me renaming but looks like I still may need to! :smiley-laughing:
Their tooling isn't correct for that one - 86101 was one of the three testbed locos for the Class 87 and therefore has a number of Class 87 features.
Hi
When did 86259 get the electric blue livery as I seem to recall there was an 86 in the retro 1960's electric blue livery running around in the late 80's, but, I thought it was an 86/4?
Ian
86259 Less Ross got original blue livery - as best as you can for 2000s with orange lines and yellow ole warning stickers when it was preserved but still has NR operational licence S its good for railtours.
No a lot of help back dating due sealed headcode and headlamp moulding.
Robert
A number of the 86s and 87s gained heritage liveries in the run-up to them being withdrawn (although not 86259 as far as I remember). 86233 got the original blue livery and was named 'Alstom Heritage'. 87001 got BR blue (which it still has - it's now in the NRM). Think there was one in Intercity swallow (an 87 I think, but not certain), and an 87 in Network Southeast (nont an authentic livery for the class). Might have been a few others.
Hi Gang,
86259 in its preserved/ mainline status should be easily backdated to 86233 in its Virgin Trains days as the TDM cables and Headlight are good for this period. Anything older than that needs modifications to remove the contrail stripe and headlight......but that shouldn't be impossible.
We do need some enterprising modeller to make MW cables in order to be able to reproduce 86/0, 86/3, 86/4 variants.....again not insurmountable from the bits box.
Later,
Stu from EGDL.
86401 will be very useful for anybody modelling the stretch of line from Glasgow Central to Polmadie. In fact, anybody modelling Polmadie Depot could save a bob or two by buying an unpowered version and stick it at the end of a rake of Caledonian sleeper stock and stick it on one of the front roads. (Ok, I'm only kidding, it DOES amke the occasional foray down the main line and is been seen in Em'bra as well. :D)
PS Its Ironic that a loco named after a well known Em'bra tourist attraction should spend so much of its time in God's City Residing at the Holy of Holies :laugh:
86426 received a version of Electric Blue in 1987 as part of the InterCity anniversary celebrations. It was in the darker Rail Blue with larger than standard yellow ends and all the 80s front end plumbing.
From what I remember it lasted in that livery for some time and could be seen on any WCML duties (much like NSE 86401 :) )
Hi a few clues http://www.86259lesross.com/liveries.htm (http://www.86259lesross.com/liveries.htm) December 2006 . This will provide liveries on 86s https://railrevisited.blogspot.com/2019/08/info-pictorial-virgin-trains-electrics.html (https://railrevisited.blogspot.com/2019/08/info-pictorial-virgin-trains-electrics.html)