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Title: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: Invicta Alec on January 13, 2017, 08:34:05 PM
So gentlemen, in my first post under the "Introductions" section I mused about whether I could take up this hobby again after a thirty year break. The excuse of failing eyesight was immediately shot down in flames (thank you Nobby) but after such a long gap what could I remember?

I've spent dozens of hours already on this forum reading with varying degrees of understanding all aspects of the hobby (electrics has always been my nemesis).  Anyway I allowed myself to start having a look at some locos. Almost immediately I fell in love with a Class 411 CEP 4 car EMU. Introduced in 2011 by Farish its long since been discontinued. I became fixated on it. I halfheartedly looked at alternatives having checked stock of the 411 just about everywhere with no luck. Then I found a couple of BR green ones - BUT I wanted the blue/grey! Nothing else would do!

Then I phoned Jane's Trains in south west London. "Oh yes, we've got that one" she said "no problem".
"In blue/grey?" said I.
"Yes" she said.
"N gauge?" said I.
"Yes N".
"Are you sure?" said I (nearly wetting myself)    ;D
"Yes I'm very sure" she said patiently.
"Can you please send it to me chipped for DCC." (At that point I actually said "I don't care how much it costs!")

So I now await arrival of said 411 (along with some track/dcc controller/track cleaning thingy/some other bits she said I'd need/helpful catalogues/etc.

There are several good YouTube videos on the 411. What a beautiful looking model! Especially in the colours I wanted. Headcode 50 - translates to Victoria - Ramsgate via Chatham (my home town).

So that's it lads - I'm down the bottomless money pit like the rest of you. Hook line and sinker.

Alec.
 
Edit: how to upload pictures? I don't have any software that saves images as .pdf!
   
Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: Sprintex on January 13, 2017, 08:42:04 PM
Images should ideally be in .JPG or .PNG format anyway ;)

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=33908.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=33908.0)


Paul
Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: port perran on January 13, 2017, 08:43:03 PM
Yep, you are now firmly hooked.
I'm sure you'll enjoy the 411 (not my era at all but it looks a very nice model indeed).
Hopefully, you'll discover how to post pictures by the time it arrives.
Looking forward to the layout build.
Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: Newportnobby on January 13, 2017, 08:43:24 PM
Quote from: Invicta Alec on January 13, 2017, 08:34:05 PM


So that's it lads - I'm down the bottomless money pit like the rest of you. Hook line and sinker.

Alec.
 
Edit: how to upload pictures? I don't have any software that saves images as .pdf!
   

Welcome to the N gauge community proper. You are now a fully fledged member. :D
There are photo hosting sites such as Photobucket, Dropbox and FlickR and once you have uploaded your pics to one of them you can just provide a link in a post.
As an alternative you could click on 'File' > 'Export' and see if you get an option to save a photo as a Jpeg :hmmm:
Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: Invicta Alec on January 13, 2017, 09:27:05 PM
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5868-130117211629.png)

Thanks Paul. sussed it. Upload to gallery first then copy BB code right!?

I tried just to add picture as an attachment to the post. Trying to do it that way gives the error message..." must be in pdf format only".

Alec.
Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: scruff on January 13, 2017, 09:32:28 PM
Excellent photo Alec...  :greatpicturessign:

I think you've prodded me to think about one of these.. to go with the Dapol 33... :'(

Cheers
Mark
Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: Invicta Alec on January 13, 2017, 09:38:14 PM
Quote from: scruff on January 13, 2017, 09:32:28 PM
Excellent photo Alec...  :greatpicturessign:

I think you've prodded me to think about one of these.. to go with the Dapol 33... :'(

Cheers
Mark

Just been looking at the Dapol 33 on eBay.......Ooooooooh nice!  :)

Would look great running side by side I reckon.

Alec.
Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: Bob G on January 13, 2017, 11:06:52 PM
And you will soon want a second hand Dapol 73/0 and/or 73/1 in blue too, and an 08 shunter in blue.

Plenty of Farish Mk 1 blue/grey coaches for the boat train to Folkestone, too.

Then when we have you totally reliant on your fix, you will have to wait impatiently for the next southern (loco) release.

Another lost soul wandering the net looking for southern stuff...  :thumbsup:

And then you discover brass overlays and resin cab ends....

Bob

Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: nick_bastable on January 13, 2017, 11:29:56 PM
but you do need the 3rd rail


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5615-130117232908.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47310)

Nick
Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: robert shrives on January 13, 2017, 11:34:43 PM
Hi welcome aboard !
Yes 3rd rail adds to it all !
Well in 00 Bachmann have adverstised the BEP so hopefully this will get shrunk at some time ( do not hold breath asyou will go blue ! ) but it is good to live in hope. 
The 33 is a lovely model and it has been suggested to Dapol to do a South Eastern Division 33/0 but since all reasonably travelled then the new 33/0 or 33/1 in blue fully up there as must haves !

Have fun and may all your trains run on time!
Robert 
Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: GrahamB on January 14, 2017, 09:07:35 AM
Looks like someone else has caught the Southern Electric bug.

I've got two 4 CEPs in green - both dcc sound/
Then I bought one in green with a yellow warning panel - dc only at the moment but I have another sound chip.
I've also got a blue/grey Brighton Belle - dcc chipped.

I just need a controller, and a layout, and a 33 or two, plus a 73 or two, then an 08. I feel a divorce coming on. :worried:
Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: Invicta Alec on January 14, 2017, 01:10:13 PM
Quote from: nick_bastable on January 13, 2017, 11:29:56 PM
but you do need the 3rd rail

Nick

At some point Nick, yes! How did you achieve it?

Alec.
Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: nick_bastable on January 14, 2017, 05:28:24 PM
Alec

as you may have guessed my track is 2mm standard, the 3rd rail is soldered to Duchess Pins every 5 to 6 sleepers with the aid of a simple jig, track is easitrac rail is 40 thou

I also know 2mm modelers who use easitrac chairs with 40 thou rail to achieve a similar effect trimming the chair to a more square shape

If I recall some others use cut down insulated fishplates with suitable rail

there are active clubs in both Folkestone and Canterbury,  indeed its the Canterbury show next weekend  21/22

Nick
Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: GrahamB on January 14, 2017, 06:21:02 PM
I'll be at the Canterbury show next Sunday. Keep an eye open for a Tonbridge MRC sweatshirt (Warning, there could be a few).
Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: nick_bastable on January 14, 2017, 06:39:21 PM
I will be there both days on the speak it softly 2mm area group display  :D


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/5615-140117183755.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=47340)


drop by and say hello 2mm modelers don't bite


Nick
Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: Invicta Alec on January 14, 2017, 10:00:33 PM
Quote from: nick_bastable on January 14, 2017, 05:28:24 PM

as you may have guessed my track is 2mm standard, the 3rd rail is soldered to Duchess Pins every 5 to 6 sleepers with the aid of a simple jig, track is easitrac rail is 40 thou

I also know 2mm modelers who use easitrac chairs with 40 thou rail to achieve a similar effect trimming the chair to a more square shape


Nick,
Duchess pins? trimming the chair? Nope, didn't get any of that!  :hmmm:
Tell you what, how about you explain it to me at the Canterbury show? Where is it being held exactly?

Alec.
Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: Invicta Alec on January 14, 2017, 10:03:09 PM
Quote from: GrahamB on January 14, 2017, 06:21:02 PM
I'll be at the Canterbury show next Sunday. Keep an eye open for a Tonbridge MRC sweatshirt (Warning, there could be a few).

Graham,

It'll be good to meet up with you in Canterbury. I've just asked previous poster Nick to let me have venue detail and times.

Alec.
Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: nick_bastable on January 14, 2017, 10:12:01 PM
City of Canterbury Model Railway Society
  - Canterbury Model Railway Exhibition

Sat 21st January 2017 - Sun 22nd January 2017

St Anselms School, Old Dover Road, Canterbury, Kent CT1 3EN

on site free parking

http://www.ukmodelshops.co.uk/events/13831-CityofCanterburyModelRailwaySocietyCanterburyModelRailwayExhibition (http://www.ukmodelshops.co.uk/events/13831-CityofCanterburyModelRailwaySocietyCanterburyModelRailwayExhibition)

ask any questions you like that is  what we are there for

Nick

Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: GrahamB on January 14, 2017, 10:34:05 PM
Be aware I'll have a hyper active Grandson in tow. Hopefully his dad will be looking after him for some of the time. We're visiting on the Sunday arriving in time for opening.
Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: Invicta Alec on January 14, 2017, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: GrahamB on January 14, 2017, 10:34:05 PM

We're visiting on the Sunday arriving in time for opening.

OK Graham, I'll be there on Sunday (might go Saturday as well as I'm still at the keen-as-mustard stage).  ;D

Alec.
Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: GrahamB on January 15, 2017, 08:38:48 AM
Saturday is much busier. Not sure how we'll meet up. I'll try to remember my NGF badge. Otherwise, just listen for the constant calling of the name "Max" (My Grandson).
Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: robert shrives on January 15, 2017, 09:53:08 AM
 :sorrysign: But you could get thumped for this picture - I will get my coat ::)
Lovely looking model and good to see the early front end attempt at warning trackside staff.

This thread prompted me to have alook at doing the first refurb CEP - it had blue grey paint scheme and kept the early windows - the only one.
take one CEP add a SK and a BCK , a nifty cut and tuck and I think it would be possible to do looking at plans last night- anybody got a blue grey set ?
Robert
Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: Adam1701D on January 15, 2017, 10:02:03 AM
Pretty sure there was a thread on RMWeb where someone cut'n'shut 1500 from the Bachmann CEP in 4mm.

1500 lasted into Jaffa Cake livery and the power cars went on to become departmental tractor unit 081 which worked various test trains around the Southern including the High Speed Track Recorder.
Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: nick_bastable on January 15, 2017, 10:06:26 AM
Quote from: robert shrives on January 15, 2017, 09:53:08 AM
:sorrysign: But you could get thumped for this picture - I will get my coat ::)
Lovely looking model and good to see the early front end attempt at warning trackside staff.

This thread prompted me to have alook at doing the first refurb CEP - it had blue grey paint scheme and kept the early windows - the only one.
take one CEP add a SK and a BCK , a nifty cut and tuck and I think it would be possible to do looking at plans last night- anybody got a blue grey set ?
Robert

:P  last seen running at Kyle at the  AGM in 3 car mode

rather than cut and shunt a Worsley Works etch may make a better start ?

Nick
Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: Invicta Alec on January 23, 2017, 12:34:47 PM
Quote from: GrahamB on January 15, 2017, 08:38:48 AM
Saturday is much busier. Not sure how we'll meet up. I'll try to remember my NGF badge. Otherwise, just listen for the constant calling of the name "Max" (My Grandson).

Graham,

while I had an enjoyable few hours at the expo on Sunday, I'm sorry that we didn't get to meet up. There seemed to be any number of couples who could well have been Max and his grandpa! I'll make the effort to visit Tonbridge for your show.

Alec.
Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: Invicta Alec on January 23, 2017, 12:39:31 PM
Quote from: nick_bastable on January 14, 2017, 10:12:01 PM
City of Canterbury Model Railway Society
  - Canterbury Model Railway Exhibition

Sat 21st January 2017 - Sun 22nd January 2017

St Anselms School, Old Dover Road, Canterbury, Kent CT1 3EN

on site free parking

http://www.ukmodelshops.co.uk/events/13831-CityofCanterburyModelRailwaySocietyCanterburyModelRailwayExhibition (http://www.ukmodelshops.co.uk/events/13831-CityofCanterburyModelRailwaySocietyCanterburyModelRailwayExhibition)

ask any questions you like that is  what we are there for

Nick

Hi Nick,

many thanks for taking the time to explain the 2mm set up. Pleasure to meet you and I enjoyed the craftmanship evident in "Line No.20".

Alec.
Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: nick_bastable on January 23, 2017, 01:12:22 PM
Quote from: Invicta Alec on January 23, 2017, 12:39:31 PM
Quote from: nick_bastable on January 14, 2017, 10:12:01 PM
City of Canterbury Model Railway Society
  - Canterbury Model Railway Exhibition

Sat 21st January 2017 - Sun 22nd January 2017

St Anselms School, Old Dover Road, Canterbury, Kent CT1 3EN

on site free parking

http://www.ukmodelshops.co.uk/events/13831-CityofCanterburyModelRailwaySocietyCanterburyModelRailwayExhibition (http://www.ukmodelshops.co.uk/events/13831-CityofCanterburyModelRailwaySocietyCanterburyModelRailwayExhibition)

ask any questions you like that is  what we are there for

Nick

Hi Nick,

many thanks for taking the time to explain the 2mm set up. Pleasure to meet you and I enjoyed the craftmanship evident in "Line No.20".

Alec.

Alec

it was a pleasure to meet you and thank you for the kind words, it was a good show as I said feel free to ask any questions you like that is what forums like this are for

best of luck with your project

Nick
Title: Re: Class 411 CEP EMU - and all that it means
Post by: GrahamB on January 23, 2017, 04:43:10 PM
Quote from: Invicta Alec on January 23, 2017, 12:34:47 PM
Graham,

while I had an enjoyable few hours at the expo on Sunday, I'm sorry that we didn't get to meet up. There seemed to be any number of couples who could well have been Max and his grandpa! I'll make the effort to visit Tonbridge for your show.

Alec.
No problem. I bumped into loads of people I knew but we missed each other. Never mind. I will be at Tonbridge all day - probably on the club sales stand. Just ask anyone with a TMRC sweat/polo shirt.