Hi.
I am new to n gauge so forgive me but I was just wondering what locos are good to start with. Want to find a train which is a good combination of pulling power and price and where to find them. They should be:
- DCC ready or fitted (or easily converted),
- Trains that have run or still running on Britains railways,
- hassle free trains,
- More or less any era as it is just a place to start.
I have recently moved from (prepare for profane language) OO gauge and just trying to find a good place to start on n.
:thankyousign:
Hi
As somebody who moved from OO to N a few years ago I hope I can help you in some way. You should look at the trainsets or train packs available and find one which suits what you want to model. You will get a loco and suitable coaches or wagons some sets or packs even have buildings like a signal box.
Dave
Western Princess will be arriving soon to convince you to go Hydraulic.....
Not a bad idea though......
For pulling power and steam you cannot beat Union Mills stuff but it does not come DCC ready.
Jerry
Hi Sockskii and welcome aboard :wave:
Being a strictly transition era modeller I'd suggest the following:-
Diesels - Farish
Class 08,20,24,25,31,37,42,101,108, Blue Pullman
Diesels - Dapol
Class 22,26,33,35,52,121
Steam - Farish
Jinty, J39, 2MT, 3MT, 4MT, 5MT, Duchess, WD, B1, Fairburn, N class, Jubilee, Royal Scot, 64xx pannier
Steam - Dapol
A4, Britannia, Schools
How big is your bank balance? :D
Quote- DCC ready or fitted (or easily converted),
- Trains that have run or still running on Britains railways,
- hassle free trains,
- More or less any era as it is just a place to start.
Within the criteria I would immediately discount steam locos as whilst the current generation of locos are lovely, they have delicate valve gear and are more fussy about tight curves etc.
Much as I love the loco, not being immediately DCC ready rules out the Class 08 (plus 03, 04 and 14 shunters).
Within the other criteria I would suggest a Class 37 or Class 47. These are probably the most common and widely used mainline diesel classes the U.K. has seen
The current generation Graham Farish versions have robust (DCC ready) all wheel drive chassis that are comfortable on train set curves.
Both classes are available in many liveries and freight and passenger versions (which gives you hassle free trains as you can choose your stock).
Welcome to the forum :wave:
Skyline2uk
Quote from: Jerry Howlett on January 02, 2017, 03:46:35 PM
Western Princess will be arriving soon to convince you to go Hydraulic.....
Not a bad idea though......
For pulling power and steam you cannot beat Union Mills stuff but it does not come DCC ready.
Jerry
:D Probably true Jerry (you know me so well) but U.M. DON'T make real locos like Diesel Hydraulics :heart2: , do they?
Meanwhile, welcome to the Forum Sockskii. As you can see we don't always take things too seriously here, but it is a great place to find out more about N Gauge.
Turning to your problem a possible solution which would allow you to run virtually anything from the Rocket to a Class 70 would be to base the layout on a preserved line - it could even mean you could run a Western :-* and/or a Hymek :beers:, even BOTH :claphappy:
Don't know why but I forgot to mention the Warships! :dunce: :-[
Are you just after a loco or would stock, track and a controller also interest you? The reason I ask is that if you are looking for more than just a loco, Farish offer various trainsets that are very good value for money. The locos and rolling stock they contain are the same as the separate items (not cheap budget versions) and usually represent a significant saving over buying individually.
Of course you are only saving money if you want most or all of the contents.
Thank you for all the responses.
Quote from: Skyline2uk on January 02, 2017, 04:29:13 PM
Within the other criteria I would suggest a Class 37 or Class 47. These are probably the most common and widely used mainline diesel classes the U.K. has seen
Class 47s were definitely something I was considering on the future layout. Reading the responses I will probably be focusing on diesel trains. What you say about Grafars models makes them worth considering for the next acquisition. Cheers Skyline2uk :beers:
Quote from: D1042 Western Princess on January 02, 2017, 04:42:10 PM
Turning to your problem a possible solution which would allow you to run virtually anything from the Rocket to a Class 70 would be to base the layout on a preserved line - it could even mean you could run a Western :-* and/or a Hymek :beers:, even BOTH
Don't worry, a western will definitely be running on the layout :D maybe even a 66 :P , thanks for the suggestion on making a preserved line, it's something I'm looking into now. Thank you western princess.
Quote from: newportnobby on January 02, 2017, 03:47:45 PM
Hi Sockskii and welcome aboard :wave:
Being a strictly transition era modeller I'd suggest the following:-
Diesels - Farish
Class 08,20,24,25,31,37,42,101,108, Blue Pullman
Diesels - Dapol
Class 22,26,33,35,52,121
Steam - Farish
Jinty, J39, 2MT, 3MT, 4MT, 5MT, Duchess, WD, B1, Fairburn, N class, Jubilee, Royal Scot, 64xx pannier
Steam - Dapol
A4, Britannia, Schools
How big is your bank balance? :D
Thanks for the list newportnobby , really useful. I think a hit to the bank balance was inevitable after posting this. :ngauge:
Quote from: Karhedron on January 02, 2017, 05:46:13 PM
Are you just after a loco or would stock, track and a controller also interest you? The reason I ask is that if you are looking for more than just a loco, Farish offer various trainsets that are very good value for money. The locos and rolling stock they contain are the same as the separate items (not cheap budget versions) and usually represent a significant saving over buying individually.
Of course you are only saving money if you want most or all of the contents.
A train set is what started it all off. I picked up the countryside coal by GraFar out of curiosity but the scale is so good that I am in the process of planning a layout. I am trying to choose an era and posssible location for the layout but for now i just want to get use to the scale and find the locos that work well for me.
Quote from: Sockskii on January 02, 2017, 06:00:10 PM
Turning to your problem a possible solution which would allow you to run virtually anything from the Rocket to a Class 70 would be to base the layout on a preserved line - it could even mean you could run a Western :-* and/or a Hymek :beers:, even BOTH
Don't worry, a western will definitely be running on the layout :D maybe even a 66 :P , thanks for the suggestion on making a preserved line, it's something I'm looking into now. Thank you western princess.
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You're very welcome and you "definitely" running Diesel Hydraulics (even only one) shows you to be a man of good taste.
And despite the very feminine sounding user name (long story) my friends call me Greg.
Not having DCC on my layout, I would suggest a DCC train set for starting out, as NewportNobby suggests.
If you go modern then the Farish 60 and 66 both have decent pulling power, and run beautifully. The Dapol 66 is far less powerful.
Quote from: D1042 Western Princess on January 03, 2017, 08:26:00 AM
You're very welcome and you "definitely" running Diesel Hydraulics (even only one) shows you to be a man of good taste.
And despite the very feminine sounding user name (long story) my friends call me Greg.
It's got to be diesel, only the one for now, my wallet needs a break after Christmas.
Alex
Another mod piece is the Class 67 by Dapol....a very good value in all senses.
Marco
I would go for diesel rather than steam as your first few purchases. All the ones I have run very well.
Did Western Princess suggest a class 22. These are fantastic models with spoked wheels (not that I can see them). They are kind of at home on a branch or main line. None were preserved but there is a group trying to build a new one - they already have an engine so they are on the way. So a preserved railway a few years in the future might well have a class 22. There have been some bargains around for this class because Dapol made too many.
Perhaps another criteria to consider is what type of operations you will want. If all you need is around and around then you can stick with the 'standard' couplings. On the other hand if you fancy hands off shunting then pick locomotives, coaches and wagons with NEM coupling sockets so you can use Dapol's easi-shunt system or an equivilent without needing to get into major surgery to soon.
If you're doing a preserved line, I would suggest that your next purchase be two Mk1 coaches, ideally a Standard Open and a Brake end. The wagons can then be placed in the sidings or used on a demonstration goods. Alternatively, you can model a small start-up in the early days of preservation, and have passengers in the wagons! As for a location, I would suggest the area depicted on one or both of the private owner wagons, but the exact location of a preserved line need not obvious.
It is certainly not unheard of for a preservation site to have several large diesels, but just one small steam engine. Some are all diesel.
BTW, have you looked at any of the current crop of dcc ready DMUs.
Hello,
I have to agree with Skyline2's comments about the Class 37 and 47 which were among the most common types of locos on the network and amongst the longest lived, still seeing operation on the network today. The later Bachmann/Farish versions are lovely models and capture the prototypes pretty much perfectly.
I think the recent Bachmann/Farish Class 25 is also an excellent model, and from my experience are really good runners, so a good starting point. Of the small loco's 25s were by far the most common, and saw service on most parts of the network other than the Southern region.
A nice small loco to start with, equally at home on light passenger or freight duties, and quite a number preserved to boot.
I would steer clear of the old Poole models if you want to use DCC. Some like them as they are reliable runners, and a bit cheaper to obtain - but they are a problem to convert to DCC (can be done, but its a lot of messing around). Also they are far poorer representations of the prototype and lack LED lighting.
Cheers,
Paul
Quote from: Chris Morris on January 03, 2017, 01:32:19 PM
I would go for diesel rather than steam as your first few purchases. All the ones I have run very well.
Did Western Princess suggest a class 22. These are fantastic models with spoked wheels (not that I can see them). They are kind of at home on a branch or main line. None were preserved
An attempt was made to preserve one at the time (D6319 if my memory is correct), which had just (literally) come out of Swindon works after overhaul - in rumour it was said you could still smell the new paint, but it was still scrapped rather than let it be sold into preservation.
I've read about that. The loco was secured for preservation and taken to Derby for processing, but a miscommunication led to it being sent on for scrap. The error was not discovered until the loco was broken up. BR then offered the preservationists any redundant diesel for the same price. They chose a Class 42.