Saw this on another forum, linked from BBC
Quote"Some customers using Windows 10 have reported difficulties connecting to the internet," said a spokeswoman for Microsoft.
"As a first step, we recommend customers restart their PCs.
"If this does not resolve the problem, visit our website for further support."
Duh - how if you can't get on line?????????????
Needless to say it's a Win 10 problem, a recent update would you believe.
micro$haft have a history of this sort of thing,such as keyboard not detected press F1 to continue,or no driver for modem found would you like to search online for a driver
And this is why I've disabled system updates on my Win10 laptop.
>:D
:laughabovepost: During my early dalliance with confusers, back in the days when you had to load the operating system from a floppy every time you switched on, one of my machines came with what they called a test and exercise disk. This simply ran a set of short programmes and reported the results. The results were reported with sets of coded beeps using the built in speaker. At one point in the test sequence we are told '5 short beeps in succession indicates that a failure has taken place in the computers sound system.'
Floppy disks, luxury. We used to dream of floppy disks. My first computer came with 8K of ROM, and a cassette tape interface.
Anyway happy to report that literally the only reason I have to use Windows is in a VM for SCARM.
Quote from: railsquid on December 14, 2016, 03:05:38 PM
Floppy disks, luxury. We used to dream of floppy disks. My first computer came with 8K of ROM, and a cassette tape interface.
'ROM' luxury.... My first computer came with 382 gears, 250 relays a typewriter and fifty mechanical disks marked 0 to 9 - and NEVER suffered from boot up problems.
:P
They have just sneaked out a fix.
Quote from: austinbob on December 14, 2016, 04:00:11 PM
Quote from: railsquid on December 14, 2016, 03:05:38 PM
Floppy disks, luxury. We used to dream of floppy disks. My first computer came with 8K of ROM, and a cassette tape interface.
'ROM' luxury.... My first computer came with 382 gears, 250 relays a typewriter and fifty mechanical disks marked 0 to 9 - and NEVER suffered from boot up problems.
:P
My old friend Babbage used to shout "keep turning the handle" :D
Actually several posts back early PCs had two sound paths a beeper and a sound card, so 5 beeps was sensible for a sound failure.
Anyway I assume you have all heard about the helicopter lost in fog over Seattle.
The pilot eases up to a building and shouts to the occupants "Where am I"
The reply cam back intermediately "You are in a helicopter"
Thanking them the pilot navigates to the airport and lands.
The passenger confused asks the pilot "How did you figure out where you were"
The pilot replies. " I got a perfectly correct but useless answer, so I knew I was next to the Microsoft building"
Quote from: Snowwolflair on December 14, 2016, 05:30:46 PM
Actually several posts back early PCs had two sound paths a beeper and a sound card, so 5 beeps was sensible for a sound failure.
Nah, was talking about the original PC's and before sound cards came along...
and, the same computer, same diagnostics tools, included a set of squares at the bottom of the monitor that said, (can't remember the exact wording) 'if this display is not visible please try a substitute monitor'...
i've just spent 2 days installing / updating a Win7 installation - mysteriously, as soon as Win 10 was released, the update facility seems to have stopped working!!
luckily the secret knowledge is still available in the Net, and i eventually got it to update itself.
this has happened to previous versions, despite long term "support " being offered! (till 2020 in the case of Win7).
if anyone is interested, i have the links!
That is why my W10 computer is unused while my old rusty, er sorry, I meant "trusty", one with W7 is still in daily use.
I have a win10 laptop which was purchased with a "new" installation rather than a update from win8. This was bought to replace a win7 laptop when the motherboard failed.
Awesome machine! The first "system" update spread the disease known as "Cortana" all over the place. I backed out the update, spent two hours getting rid of the nosey cow an then disabled system updates.
It's steady as a rock. I NEVER use Internet Explorer (or whatever they call it now), Firefox is used. I don't use their e-mail client I use EmClient.
From power up to stable system is 45 seconds including bringing up the e-mail client.
:thumbsup:
Talktalk have been hacked yet again but doesn't affect all users -just some with a certain router which prevents them from accessing internet if they were unlucky enough. ..........The resolution is posted on a banner on their website, which I can't understand how you're supposed to get if you can't access the web in the first place??? I know first hand their technical help in India / Phillipines is completely useless -last time my email went down there was no way of raising a helpdesk case without sending an E-Mail in from my own account ??? ::) :'( :doh: >:( :veryangry: :censored: :help:
I bought a win 10 netbook earlier this year and it's giving grief. Lots of additional program guff keeps popping up, now I'm told every day I have to upgrade to win 10 -which was already on the machine. Keeps telling me my memory isn't big enough despite virtually nothing on the machine.
We have an ex-IT guy working for us at the moment and I keep getting told it's called "progress" and we should be thankfull of it :thumbsup:
Quote from: Zogbert Splod on December 14, 2016, 08:23:34 PM
Quote from: Snowwolflair on December 14, 2016, 05:30:46 PM
Actually several posts back early PCs had two sound paths a beeper and a sound card, so 5 beeps was sensible for a sound failure.
Nah, was talking about the original PC's and before sound cards came along...
and, the same computer, same diagnostics tools, included a set of squares at the bottom of the monitor that said, (can't remember the exact wording) 'if this display is not visible please try a substitute monitor'...
Yep so am I, I designed some of the first PC clones in HK in 1981. there was an interrupt structure for sound and that's what it was testing, whether a sound card was fitted or not.
Still got all my original design notes :D
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/3761-141216233653.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=46353)
That's interesting. I was working for an agent (in the UK) selling the first IBM desktops to be referred to as PC's (5150 I think?). I well remember being told by the IBM reps that the company could see no use for sound or colour in their products. This despite the fact that they already had the CGA option in their catalogues. (640 x 480 and (I think???) a total of 12 colours, if you went for the Hercules option) I was under the impression, and I may well be remembering it wrongly, that the option to go beyond the basic speaker didn't fully come to the IBM machines until they finally dropped the use of the 8088 chip in favour of the 8086. I'm not sure but I seem to remember that this happened with the coming of the unfortunate IBM Jnr.
I never liked the IBM machines and never owned a PC of any kind until MUCH later. It was an AMSTRAD with a 90Meg hard drive! That was going to last me for ever, my entire life would fit on that!
I dread to think how things would have developed if the whole process had remained with IBM. At that time I was more involved with the much more interfaceable (Is that a real word?) HP machines as used in the hydrographic industry.
Quote from: Zogbert Splod on December 15, 2016, 03:30:46 AM(640 x 480 and (I think???) a total of 12 colours, if you went for the Hercules option)
CGA was 640x200 in two colours and 320x200 in a selection of 4 colours from a total of 16. 480 lines didn't come in until VGA (via the 640x320 16-colour splendour of EGA). Hercules was a high-res text-orientated monochrome card with something like 720×360 pixels. Dunno why I have the space in my mind dedicated to remembering such trivia, but there you go. I reckon I'd do quite well in a "resolution and colour pallette of early 80s computers" quiz...
Damn, those were the days when you needed to care about these things, I can barely remember what the specs of my current desktop are (and I "built" it myself).
IBM just did not know what they had, but Microsoft did and leveraged it as much as they could. What IBM did design properly was the concept of a properly designed hierarchical interrupt structure that is fundamental to all PCs. They took the Intel 8086 chip and used it properly.
At least IBM gave up quickly ~5 years on trying to stop the clone manufacturers who completely outstripped IBM technically. For instance the first commercial version we made was using the then new 80186 processor the new 16k DRAM and skipped a lot of the BIOS with a state machine. It however had Tektronix emulation graphics which amounted to what became VGA offered later as a standard, and we sold it not as a desktop but as an industrial controller.
PC's became office rather than engineering machines with the release of Lotus 123 and Lotus Notes, soon followed by Wordcraft, Wordperfect and Word, etc. The rest is history, but the PC is an engineers machine at its roots not a user friendly Apple type, although these days it tries hard.
Most of us who cut our teeth on microprocessors learnt 6502, SCMP, 8080 or Z80 code in bare board machines like the Nascom.
Happy days :)
You are bringing back some memories there. I built an eprom programmer using a SCMP chip in the 80s. I too learned 6502 and Z80 machine code. Wrote a disassembled for both chips to help me learn programming tips. Wrote a DOS for 6502 motherboard PC I built. Try not to take the lids off these days.
I found the Z80 and the 8080/8085 machine code easy to write a disassembler for, could never get on with 6502, I was using a colour Genie at the time and at work teaching 8080/8085 based equipment, first PC was an Amstrad 1512 to which I added 128K RAM and a 3.5" floppy, later I added a 32M Hard drive - on a card, I ran Wordstar for Word processor, I found Wordperfect to be somewhat user unfriendly. Instead of Lotus I used the freebie As-Easy-as (1 2 3). I upgraded to an Amstrad 1640 with a hard drive - WOW! After that I built a couple of 286 and 386 machines at the time there were quite a few small shops selling cases, PSUs, mother boards etc. Didn't get into Word until the mid 90's working for Siemens.
I'm now running a Zoostorm (from Ebuyer) Quad core AMD chip, 2TB drive 16Gb Ram, Win7 pro 64 bit. Still got a dual core Pentium Gateway which plays music all day. Panasonic Toughbook for outdoor use, picked it up cheap on fleabay with only Ms-DOS, it had originally had Win7 Pro, so I just used a relevant CD and used the original key from when it was new to register it.
wonder if this will run doze 10 any better than my current midrange intel skylake
http://www.electronixandmore.com/projects/relaycomputertwo/index.html (http://www.electronixandmore.com/projects/relaycomputertwo/index.html)
Yes.. Um... My new smartphone is going to be made of wood (not)
Quote from: Snowwolflair on December 15, 2016, 02:10:59 PM
Yes.. Um... My new smartphone is going to be made of wood (not)
Receipt for the 1st PC I ever bought...... 1992
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Got ridiculed at work for buying this..... 105Mb HDD - "Yer'll never need all that!"
£200 for 7Mb of additional RAM....
And my 2nd PC 6 years later
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Quote from: Dorsetmike on December 14, 2016, 01:57:22 PM
Needless to say it's a Win 10 problem, a recent update would you believe.
I've not had any major problems with Windows 10 updates for a while. Office / Exchange problems are more frequent - several times in the past few years they've managed to release an update which means that Outlook and Exchange won't talk to each other - and as any of you with experience of managing email servers will know, that really is rather a problem!
The problem I have at the moment is with roaming profiles (the mechanism whereby users' settings and documents carry across to whichever computer they log onto on a network). These have always been temperamental, but by the time of Windows 7 they generally worked pretty well. Not so Windows 10 - regularly losing default browser settings and printer drivers, and there are different versions of the profiles with each release of W10 (which are about six-monthly). It's all rather a mess, and so unnecessary given that it had previously become very reliable.
I manage currently around 150 computers, all with W10, and on current experience it's fine on stand-alone and workgroup computers, but stick it on a domain and the problems come thick and fast! It's been getting worse rather than better with each major update!