Hi everyone,
I'm currently looking for a photo of Network Southeast coaches being hauled behind a Class 25 IN BR blue. I've have found a Class 31 photograph just not a Class 25. I would like to confirm if this ever happened?
I've searched for just photo's of the coaches & just the Class 25. Also searched hauling, Pulling, Service nothing comes up. Any advice would be much appreciated
Many Thanks, Chris :beers:
Would be very interested in any examples of 25s on NSE duty.
This was the time I was a "spotter", and 25s were very rare in the Southeast generally by the NSE era. Their hold-outs were places like North Wales and the Midlands, far from London. By contrast the 31s were pretty much the default small diesel around London. Didn't do much passenger work in the mid 80s, but handling empty coaching stock would have been entirely their sort of thing.
I think I have a photo of a 25 at Willesden, but that's about it. Never saw one at Old Oak. Others may know for sure if they turned up at places like Cricklewood.
Cheers, NeMo
You've mentioned exactly why I would like to find out :beers:
My layout is located in South Wales & as you mentioned ( and confirmed ) should have been seen in North Wales so I think of stretching the truth to have these as an actual operation on my layout for working.
I was thinking the same surely a 25 possible could have moved the coaching stock which would give my layout a little bit of authenticity. If a I can find a Class 31 surely there must of been a 25 doing the same?
Many Thanks for the reply :) :beers:
I would have thought it was pretty unlikely as there couldn't have been much overlap - NSE came into being in June 86 and the 25s were gone by March 87(?). NSE liveried stock didn't start getting cascaded to the North West/RR/Scotland until later IIRC.
Cheers, Mike
Your one sneaky way out might be 25322, 'Tamworth Castle', a loco that became a bit of a celebrity and during the 80s turned up all sorts of places on odd workings.
http://www.derbysulzers.com/25912.html (http://www.derbysulzers.com/25912.html)
Withdrawn by the end of 1986, but nothing to stop you tweaking that a few months or so rather than invoking Rule 1 in its full entirety!
The only thing with 'Tamworth Castle' was its odd livery: full yellow ends on a rail blue, with numbers in black. Nothing difficult, but not available RTR from Farish yet, so far as I know.
Cheers, NeMo
I think you are both right, I think it might have to be Rule 1 :beers:
The timing does suggest this never happened but I'll keep up the fight to try find it a photo
I think I'll go with the Plain Blue same as my Class 50 & run them both should look quite good.
Really appreciate the replies :beers:
Edit: Thank you for the link Nemo I'll have a good look though should keep me entertained for a few hours :)
I think I found one of sorts !
Double headed rail tour 'The Mersey Ratcatcher' has a photo of Network Southeast coaches in a rake, Just need to find an actual passenger service in the correct era :)
http://www.derbysulzers.com/merseyratcatcher.html (http://www.derbysulzers.com/merseyratcatcher.html)
Scroll down the page slightly 4th photo down I believe
Quote from: Drakken on December 12, 2016, 05:01:14 PM
I think I found one of sorts !
Double headed rail tour 'The Mersey Ratcatcher' has a photo of Network Southeast coaches in a rake, Just need to find an actual passenger service in the correct era :)
http://www.derbysulzers.com/merseyratcatcher.html (http://www.derbysulzers.com/merseyratcatcher.html)
Scroll down the page slightly 4th photo down I believe
Good work that man!
Thanks!
Tomato, Tomatoe whatever that saying is lol. It's a 25 and the NSE that'll do me :beers:
@Nemo thank you for the link :)
Now that is a beautiful shot of the tour :beers:
Quote from: NeMo on December 12, 2016, 04:18:23 PM
Your one sneaky way out might be 25322, 'Tamworth Castle', a loco that became a bit of a celebrity and during the 80s turned up all sorts of places on odd workings.
http://www.derbysulzers.com/25912.html (http://www.derbysulzers.com/25912.html)
Withdrawn by the end of 1986, but nothing to stop you tweaking that a few months or so rather than invoking Rule 1 in its full entirety!
The only thing with 'Tamworth Castle' was its odd livery: full yellow ends on a rail blue, with numbers in black. Nothing difficult, but not available RTR from Farish yet, so far as I know.
Cheers, NeMo
Tamworth Castle was done by BachFarish about 10 years back. It may have been part of a set if I recall correctly. It used the Bachmann open framed motor type chassis so a great runner but not DCC ready. I had one but it was sold looong ago on e*ay.
Roy
There was one on eBay recently I missed out on but knowing it wouldn't of been DCC makes it okay but a repaint on another body maybe another idea
Quote from: Drakken on December 12, 2016, 07:59:19 PM
There was one on eBay recently I missed out on but knowing it wouldn't of been DCC makes it okay but a repaint on another body maybe another idea
And frankly, the old Farish Class 25 is looking a bit long in the tooth now -- eek, those sunken cab windows! So given the simplicity of the 'Tamworth Castle' livery, it looks an obvious repaint to me. The current Farish Class 24s and 25s are absolute gems, despite a few minor detailing issues.
Precision Labels are pretty good at one-off transfers, so I'd drop them a line if you're after names and numbers for this loco. Railtec don't seem to have 'Tamworth Castle' in 2mm, but they do in 4mm and 7mm, so maybe worth asking them as well. No idea about Fox.
Cheers, NeMo
@NeMo (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=945)
I've been trying my fathers 25 with sound and just had to have one kind of the reason I wanted to check about the NSE coaches. Adding sound makes such a different element to running the loco's on the layout trying to remember the sound orders
I'll defiantly purchase a second body for a repaint, I might even go BR large Logo on it and really mess with my head :beers:
Great thread to read, and I'm glad you managed to get some photo's of what you wanted. :)
Quote from: Tank on December 13, 2016, 07:05:29 AM
Great thread to read, and I'm glad you managed to get some photo's of what you wanted. :)
Definitely means I can now use my Christmas present Coaches without having to shout Rule 1 everytime lol.
Really good chat and extremely helpful fellow members :)
They could be extra name board supports.
Dodger
Hello,
Unfortunately the recent Farish Class 25 are the old style, with body-side grills, so wouldn't be a suitable candidate for repainting to represent Tamworth Castle. Farish might do a 25/3 one day, but you may have a wait...
The recent Farish models are excellent, and I am sure you could justify one of these quite easily without too much modeller's licence.
Suffice to say that 25s almost certainly must have hauled some NSE stock at times other than railtours. The Cambrian summer Saturday trains often had NSE Mk1s ("cobbler" sets) in their formation. Although during 1986 these were all booked for 37's, 25's did make appearances on Wolverhampton to Shrewsbury portions, or occasional failures. I would imagine they would have handled some ECS to/from Euston formed of these sets (will keep looking for some photographic evidence....).
25's did last long enough to haul a variety of other sectorisation era stock. On Derby Sulzers there are pictures of 25037 and 201 in 1986 hauling a Paddington to Pwheli Railtour formed of an Intercity livery MK1 railtour set.
The last ever Class 25 passenger hauled passenger train involved 25035 hauling a dead 47 and Provincial livery Mk2 coaches in March 1987.
Cheers
Paul
All being well Santa's bringing me both the Class 25 & The Network Southeast Coaches from the Captial Connection set :)
I will be purchasing another body to try this on as I really don't want the possibility of damaging a present. Thank you all again for your input this is definitely something I will be looking into but leaving of the 'BR Big Logo' as I think that just is totally uncalled for and the photo @Crooked Spire (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4791) posted make's a 100% case not to add it.
Quote from: Mr PJ on December 15, 2016, 01:10:16 PM
25's did last long enough to haul a variety of other sectorisation era stock. On Derby Sulzers there are pictures of 25037 and 201 in 1986 hauling a Paddington to Pwheli Railtour formed of an Intercity livery MK1 railtour set.
This is even more validity to running a Class 25 on my layout as it's based in South Wales which for me is near enough North West Wales.
Thank you everyone for the input I honestly sincerely appreciate the input you have all supplied :beers:
Looks like some is purchasing Intercity Coaches also :bounce:
Found this photo thanks to http://www.derbysulzers.com/ (http://www.derbysulzers.com/) & http://www.class25.info (http://www.class25.info)
http://class25.info/photograph_pages/individual_photos/750111_25059_Cardiff.htm (http://class25.info/photograph_pages/individual_photos/750111_25059_Cardiff.htm)
Hope this is okay to post links for credit on were I found this photo. Class 25 in Cardiff 'On the doorstep' :beers: & Thanks to everyone for keeping this thread going
Just to add that Class 25's regularly performed in South Wales, hauling Crewe to Cardiff services - albeit only occasionally after the 33's took over (but they did substitute from time to time, particularly on Sundays). Freight over the Marches was also regularly handled by 25's as far as Margam almost until the demise of the class.
NSE livery stock was often used on specials and weekend extras from Paddington to South Wales, so is equally justified.
Good luck with the modelling!
Paul
This make the Class 25 & Coaches fit in perfectly for my layout. Llanrumney isn't to far from Cardiff Central either.
Thank you and be sure to check out my Layout only 31 inches by 14 but hey it's a layout lol :beers: