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I have a very small roundy roundy layout for my son in his bedroom, but the plan later on is to have a much bigger layout, eventually.... :)
My interests are the prototype diesels and i plan on modeling the period these arrived on the scene and thefore have steamies and prototype diesels and possibly mainstream diesels runnng, all hopefully with sound, well thats what i'd like anyway !.
So with that in mind show us your prototype diesels please so i can see whats available RTR on a layout and what people have made as kits, bashed etc.
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Kind Regards
Craig
Take a look at this...
http://www.ngauge.historyfiles.co.uk/FeaturesNGauge/howto_Diesel10800_Kit.htm (http://www.ngauge.historyfiles.co.uk/FeaturesNGauge/howto_Diesel10800_Kit.htm)
Some excellent modelling here.
Cheers, NeMo
Quote from: NeMo on December 01, 2016, 08:56:39 AM
Take a look at this...
http://www.ngauge.historyfiles.co.uk/FeaturesNGauge/howto_Diesel10800_Kit.htm (http://www.ngauge.historyfiles.co.uk/FeaturesNGauge/howto_Diesel10800_Kit.htm)
Some excellent modelling here.
Cheers, NeMo
Thats an excellent article and model :thumbsup:
Thanks for that :)
Do you know if its possible to convert that old Poole-era Graham Farish Class 20 diesel chassis to DCC and somehow get sound in there as well ?
Craig
You can DCC anything if you're handy with a soldering iron (or willing to send it off to someone who is).
As for sound, no idea.
Do also look at Worsely Works and Etched Pixels, both of whom make etched brass kits of some unusual loco designs including the D600 'Warships'. The current NGS Journal has a fantastic article on producing a Fell diesel-mechanical from various locos and bodies.
Cheers, NeMo
Do you count the 5 NBL warships as prototypes? If so, my kit-built D600 active is quite smart.
(http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee199/Karhedronuk/DSCF3408-1.jpg)
I built it a few years ago but I believe that the kit is back in production.
(http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee199/Karhedronuk/Chew_Magna_creamery_zpsd9dd2aaf.jpg)
Quote from: Dalek on December 01, 2016, 09:21:58 AM
Quote from: NeMo on December 01, 2016, 08:56:39 AM
Take a look at this...
http://www.ngauge.historyfiles.co.uk/FeaturesNGauge/howto_Diesel10800_Kit.htm (http://www.ngauge.historyfiles.co.uk/FeaturesNGauge/howto_Diesel10800_Kit.htm)
Some excellent modelling here.
Cheers, NeMo
Thats an excellent article and model :thumbsup:
Thanks for that :)
Do you know if its possible to convert that old Poole-era Graham Farish Class 20 diesel chassis to DCC and somehow get sound in there as well ?
Craig
If you look at the photo from the article there is an obvious space under the chassis disguised as the tanks/battery box that is big enough for a DCC chip and a speaker if you are careful.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/3761-011216093621.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=45873)
Quote from: Karhedron on December 01, 2016, 09:33:14 AM
Do you count the 5 NBL warships as prototypes? If so, my kit-built D600 active is quite smart.
(http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee199/Karhedronuk/DSCF3408-1.jpg)
I built it a few years ago but I believe that the kit is back in production.
(http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee199/Karhedronuk/Chew_Magna_creamery_zpsd9dd2aaf.jpg)
It is indeed very very smart ! :thumbsup: and would also fall into my catagory.
I would probably struggle with lining, is that a slide on transfer or painted ? Can you get stuff like that ?
It does look very nice. :greatpicturessign: :thankyousign:
Can you still get GW railcars ? I've seen the odd one at shows but didn't know if it was a kit built or older RTR ?
Craig
Quote from: Snowwolflair on December 01, 2016, 09:37:30 AM
Quote from: Dalek on December 01, 2016, 09:21:58 AM
Quote from: NeMo on December 01, 2016, 08:56:39 AM
Take a look at this...
http://www.ngauge.historyfiles.co.uk/FeaturesNGauge/howto_Diesel10800_Kit.htm (http://www.ngauge.historyfiles.co.uk/FeaturesNGauge/howto_Diesel10800_Kit.htm)
Some excellent modelling here.
Cheers, NeMo
Thats an excellent article and model :thumbsup:
Thanks for that :)
Do you know if its possible to convert that old Poole-era Graham Farish Class 20 diesel chassis to DCC and somehow get sound in there as well ?
Craig
If you look at the photo from the article there is an obvious space under the chassis disguised as the tanks/battery box that is big enough for a DCC chip and a speaker if you are careful.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/3761-011216093621.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=45873)
Ahh, good idea !
Thanks :thumbsup:
Craig
Over the years did quite a few, mostly scratchbuilt on Farish chassis. A few resin kits.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5731-011216103432.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=45874)
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=45854 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=45854)
Standard 47 from Farish with a modified roof.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5731-011216104550.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=45875)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5731-011216104804.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=45876)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/5731-011216104952.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=45878)
Andy.
Quote from: Dalek on December 01, 2016, 10:14:55 AM
I would probably struggle with lining, is that a slide on transfer or painted ? Can you get stuff like that ?
The lining is done with Fox transfers so is fairly easy. The trick I have found is to use a strip of masking tape like a rule on the model. It makes a straight edge for you to slide the transfer up against. Once the tranfer is in place and the excess water removed, gently peel off the tape leaving a straight line.
I wrote an article on building this kit a few years back for the N Gauge Society journal. If you are interested, PM me your email address and I can send you a copy.
Quote from: Dalek on December 01, 2016, 10:14:55 AM
Can you still get GW railcars ? I've seen the odd one at shows but didn't know if it was a kit built or older RTR ?
Yes, the Swindon-built style of GWR railcars are still produced by Farish. They have not done a batch for a few years so most of the bigger shops seem to have sold out. You may get lucky by ringing around some of the smaller shops that do not have such extensive websites. You can pick them up on eBay if you are happy to buy 2nd hand. Also Bachmann's website state they are planning another production run but do not give a date so it may be some months away.
If you want the earlier style of streamlined railcar then BHE produce a 3D printed body kit which can be mounted on a Tomytec chassis but the lining on these units was fairly complex and I have not yet had the time to have a crack at one.
Dapol are producing the streamlined railcars in 00 gauge but have not yet confirmed if they will be producing them in N Gauge (I will be up for at least 3 if they do ;)). I tried to get this model produced via a Kickstarter a few years ago but it was before RevolutioN had broken the ice with their Pendolino kickstarter and I did not get enough pledges. :(
Golden rule is don't expect it to work first time and always be prepared to take a step back.
All good stuff guys, those are the loco's i'm interested in as well, DP2, Co, Bo etc etc
Some brilliant looking stuff, i'd be dead chuffed if i could come up with something as good as that.
Keep the pics coming please :thumbsup:
Craig
Quote from: Karhedron on December 01, 2016, 10:56:27 AM
Quote from: Dalek on December 01, 2016, 10:14:55 AM
I would probably struggle with lining, is that a slide on transfer or painted ? Can you get stuff like that ?
The lining is done with Fox transfers so is fairly easy. The trick I have found is to use a strip of masking tape like a rule on the model. It makes a straight edge for you to slide the transfer up against. Once the tranfer is in place and the excess water removed, gently peel off the tape leaving a straight line.
I wrote an article on building this kit a few years back for the N Gauge Society journal. If you are interested, PM me your email address and I can send you a copy.
Quote from: Dalek on December 01, 2016, 10:14:55 AM
Can you still get GW railcars ? I've seen the odd one at shows but didn't know if it was a kit built or older RTR ?
Yes, the Swindon-built style of GWR railcars are still produced by Farish. They have not done a batch for a few years so most of the bigger shops seem to have sold out. You may get lucky by ringing around some of the smaller shops that do not have such extensive websites. You can pick them up on eBay if you are happy to buy 2nd hand. Also Bachmann's website state they are planning another production run but do not give a date so it may be some months away.
If you want the earlier style of streamlined railcar then BHE produce a 3D printed body kit which can be mounted on a Tomytec chassis but the lining on these units was fairly complex and I have not yet had the time to have a crack at one.
Dapol are producing the streamlined railcars in 00 gauge but have not yet confirmed if they will be producing them in N Gauge (I will be up for at least 3 if they do ;)). I tried to get this model produced via a Kickstarter a few years ago but it was before RevolutioN had broken the ice with their Pendolino kickstarter and I did not get enough pledges. :(
BHE also does the GWR twin railcars as 3D-printed bodies (I'm working on a set at the moment).
From what I've heard, if DCC is important the Graham Farish GWR railcars with the 6-digit part number on the box are easier to convert. As it was imparted by a third party I can't comment on whether it is accurate or not. What I can say is that the later railcars come with darkened, low-profile wheels which look a bit neater than the silver pizza cutters on older models.
Also, if you're interested in conversions, the Electra Railway Graphics vinyl sides are an easy way to turn a Farish rail car into a GWR parcels rail car. I think BHE also does a 3D printed parcels railcar body.
Talking of the GWR streamlined railcar. I was chatting to Andy from Dapol and I got the impression that an N gauge version of the OO model was under consideration. That's not to say that it's definitely going to happen but if anyone was going to build one you'd have to admit that Dapol is the most likely candidate.
Finally, no-one has mentioned the Graham Farish DP1 prototype Deltic. I don't think it's available new anywhere but you might get lucky with a smaller shop. It's a lovely model, I'll have to see if I can post a picture later.
Quote from: johnlambert on December 01, 2016, 01:40:54 PM
Finally, no-one has mentioned the Graham Farish DP1 prototype Deltic. I don't think it's available new anywhere but you might get lucky with a smaller shop. It's a lovely model, I'll have to see if I can post a picture later.
Not available from the big sellers anymore but you might get lucky with a smaller shop (Church Street Models in Basingstoke had one in the cabinet a little while back but I am not sure if they still have it). It turns up quite often on eBay if you want one and it is a lovely model.
(http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_06_2015/post-18225-0-37016900-1435043911_thumb.jpg)
(http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_03_2010/post-1-126796737309_thumb.jpg)
Langley produce a kit of the Gas Turbine loco 18000 (GT1) which ran on the mainline out of Paddington for over 10 years. I have a kit awaiting assembly but I have had a spot of bother finding a suitable chassis. The one below is not mine.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/N_Scale_Gas_Turbine.jpg)
(http://schienenfahrzeuge.netshadow.at/bahngalerie25_500/2009_03_03_504.jpg)
I have the RTR DP1 Deltic, and would also consider the Blue Pullman worthy of mention.
My local club, Leyland MRC have a 'Kestrel' which I believe was based on a class 47 chassis, and I have seen 'Lion' in N on an exhibition layout some while back.
It's a shame they're never likely to become RTR models as I am just not skilled enough to create one.
I'd love 'Falcon' in two tone green :heart2:
Quote from: newportnobby on December 01, 2016, 02:36:09 PM
I have the RTR DP1 Deltic, and would also consider the Blue Pullman worthy of mention.
My local club, Leyland MRC have a 'Kestrel' which I believe was based on a class 47 chassis, and I have seen 'Lion' in N on an exhibition layout some while back.
It's a shame they're never likely to become RTR models as I am just not skilled enough to create one.
I'd love 'Falcon' in two tone green :heart2:
I also have DP1 in the set that has now been discontinued. Its the only prototype diesel i own at the moment. I would also love a blue pullman and would also consider this in the "era" that i would like to model although i might be wrong, i'm no expert, far from it, on the real railways but i like what i like. I believe this is rule 1 ;)
I think the attraction for me for the blue pullman is from the old hornby or triang ? OO set that i saw years ago as a kid but never owned.
I understand that DP1 had different engines to the production deltics, did they sound any different ?
Craig
I beleive that the first mainline diesel shunter in Britain was 1831, built for the LMS. I produced one by a simple hack, little more than a repaint with addition of brass buffers, of a Fleishmann shunter (Cat. 7306).
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/231-011216135746.jpeg)
Armstrong-Whitworth produced a demonstration diesel which ran on the LNER. Parkwood recently released a body kit of this loco. I didn't like the blue livery and so have applied a plain black livery instead, which I think suits it rather well. Chassis and buffers are from the Minitrix 2-6-2T No.41234 - needed significant filing and sawing of its weights to fit within the resin body - attached to chassis by push fit with wood spacer.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/231-011216140511.jpeg)
Parkwood produce various early generation shunter bodies. Here's one I've constructed. It was a simple body to prepare – removing a bit of flash, adding the buffers (N Brass) and then painting. It was supposed to be motorised using the chassis from a Minitrix V60 but instead I used the Hobbytrain Conrad DB BR 360 chassis which runs very sweetly.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/231-011216140808.jpeg)
I have built an ex GWR parcels railcar using the ERG overlay, mine being in early BR livery. I think this is a really effective, and cheap, method of producing unusual stock.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/231-011216141301.jpeg)
There are two DP1's, one in preserved livery and one as it ran initially. The primrose lining on the cantrail distinguishes between the two: this lining was worn in the 1950s but is missing from the preserved livery.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/231-011216141752.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/231-011216141456.jpeg)
I am full of admiration of the 10201 built by AndyRA. I have the body kit by Etched Pixels but have yet to summon the energy to build it! Meanwhile I have made a representation using the Kato JR EF10 (Cat. 3077-1) as a base, removing the pantographs, reducing the bogie length (removing outer axle), adding buffers and adding corridor connections, and then repainting in BR green livery.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/231-011216142324.jpeg)
The Brush Class 53 prototype, Falcon, originally appeared in chestnut and lime green livery. Mine is a Britannia Pacific Models kit built by John Hazelton (owner of Silver Fox Models).
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/231-011216143054.jpeg)
I hope this is of some interest.
Scot-mrc sells various resin kits of prototype diesels on eBay including pre-painted ones to fit on the nearest suitable Farish chassis. His prices are quite good so you can still get a painted loco, for not too much more than a RTR version if you do not trust your skills. He does not have many listed at the moment but they come up fairly frequently and you could probably drop him a line to check his availability.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/scot-mrc/m.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/scot-mrc/m.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1)
Here are some past ones he has sold.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/scot-mrc/m.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc&_trksid=p2046732.m1684 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/scot-mrc/m.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc&_trksid=p2046732.m1684)
I have no connection to the seller although my D600 kit is part of that range. I may be wrong but I believe the range may have originated with Dave Jones before he joined Dapol. I think the current owners are also here on the NGF but I cannot recall their names at present.
They also have a Faceboko page.
https://www.facebook.com/aemngauge/ (https://www.facebook.com/aemngauge/)
Somebody mentioned 'Lion'. My D0260 is a Britannia Pacific Models body on a Bachmann-Farish chassis with light weathering by CF Locos. After all, it surely didn't stay pure white for long!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/231-011216145233.jpeg)
Some smashing modelling there, chaps, especially 'Falcon' and 'Lion' :drool:
Quote from: Dalek on December 01, 2016, 02:45:50 PM
I understand that DP1 had different engines to the production deltics, did they sound any different ?
Craig
Wickedpedia states that both DP1 and the 22 Deltics that followed all had 2 x Napier engines totalling 3300hp. I walked through a Deltic from cab to cab at Kings Cross and it was somewhat loud just idling!
I think they only ever built one version of the Napier "Deltic" engine anyway ?
We had seven of them as generators on a ship I worked on many years ago ....and I believe they also used them in the "Brave" class of Torpedo Boat.
Quote from: koyli55002 on December 02, 2016, 03:57:00 AM
I think they only ever built one version of the Napier "Deltic" engine anyway ?
We had seven of them as generators on a ship I worked on many years ago ....and I believe they also used them in the "Brave" class of Torpedo Boat.
Any posts i've seen from the NRM on Facebook that have a picture of "Deltic" always gets replies about getting it running again, the usul stuff comes up, asbestos, wiring is bad cut etc, traction motors are bad, engines have internal parts missing etc etc.
What came up recently when somebody suggested that they fit a couple of the spare production engines is that they are actually different in some way. I was just wondering if that difference made them sound any different to the 22 production deltics ?
Some cracking models on this thread !!!!
Any close ups of the Metrovicks ?
Quote from: Karhedron on December 01, 2016, 09:33:14 AM
Do you count the 5 NBL warships as prototypes? If so, my kit-built D600 active is quite smart.
(http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee199/Karhedronuk/DSCF3408-1.jpg)
I built it a few years ago but I believe that the kit is back in production.
(http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee199/Karhedronuk/Chew_Magna_creamery_zpsd9dd2aaf.jpg)
A lovely model there, and yes, I would count the D600s as prototypes but then why not the Class 44 Peaks, of which only 10 were built? And if we are going to include classes of ten members where do we stop? Other classes small (in numbers) included the Class 55 Deltics, for example, but would anyone call them 'prototypes'?
Just asking.
Agree with D1042.
To me, a "prototype" would be a one/ off only.
Two I still have to finish are DP2 and Kestrel - once I've cleaned up the resin bodies a bit !
Being greedy I have Lion, Falcon(Britannia models) Kestrel, LMS 1OOOO, gas turbine, 18000 (Parkwood) and DP1.
Some of the SR electrics would be nice.........
You just cant have to much of a good thing!!