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Title: Magnetic levitation
Post by: ModN Dom on October 07, 2016, 01:25:20 PM
Is anyone interested in magnetic levitation? I have just awaiting delivery of a Fujumi monorail kit and fancy trying to convert from static to moving. Any ideas about propulsion?
Title: Re: Magnetic levitation
Post by: Newportnobby on October 07, 2016, 01:41:01 PM
Hi Dom, and welcome to the forum :wave:

How about a small motor and a propellor mounted at the rear?
Title: Re: Magnetic levitation
Post by: Ian Morton on October 07, 2016, 03:18:02 PM
Obvious - maglev.

Put some high strength magnets in the train and mount electro-magnets along the track. By selectively energising them you can lift and propel the train.

Trouble is you'll need to do a lot of experimentation , some form of computer/micro-controller to control it and deep pockets to afford it!
Title: Re: Magnetic levitation
Post by: zwilnik on October 07, 2016, 03:28:13 PM
A cheaper (and possibly simpler) way to fake mag lev might be to do an air levitation one (like those air hockey games). Put rubber or plastic tubing down the centre of the track (could even be made of drinking straws for testing purposes ;) ) pierced with holes at regular intervals.

Rig up a small pump to blow air through the tubes and this will levitate the train. If the underside of the train is suitably shaped (probably slight ridges  or wedges with their downward faces pointing slightly rearwards) then the up blowing air will be forward backwards and the train should run forwards.
Title: Re: Magnetic levitation
Post by: Zogbert Splod on October 07, 2016, 03:54:36 PM
Quote from: Zwilnik on October 07, 2016, 03:28:13 PM
A cheaper (and possibly simpler) way to fake mag lev might be to do an air levitation one (like those air hockey games). Put rubber or plastic tubing down the centre of the track (could even be made of drinking straws for testing purposes ;) ) pierced with holes at regular intervals.

Rig up a small pump to blow air through the tubes and this will levitate the train. If the underside of the train is suitably shaped (probably slight ridges  or wedges with their downward faces pointing slightly rearwards) then the up blowing air will be forward backwards and the train should run forwards.
That's a good starting point.  Have a look here: http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=27560.msg301138#msg301138 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=27560.msg301138#msg301138)
Title: Re: Magnetic levitation
Post by: Railwaygun on October 07, 2016, 10:57:32 PM
I tried to build a small one at school - 3phase power was involved as you need a travelling wave to generate thrust.

http://www.explainthatstuff.com/linearmotor.html (http://www.explainthatstuff.com/linearmotor.html)

Levitation is easy - propulsion less so!
Title: Re: Magnetic levitation
Post by: acook on October 07, 2016, 11:54:22 PM
Levitation is easy - propulsion less so!

Problem I have every morning!
Title: Re: Magnetic levitation
Post by: Sprintex on October 07, 2016, 11:59:55 PM
Quote from: acook on October 07, 2016, 11:54:22 PM
Levitation is easy - propulsion less so!

Problem I have every morning!

I wouldn't call "morning levitation" a problem necessarily ;)


Paul
Title: Re: Magnetic levitation
Post by: railsquid on October 08, 2016, 01:10:46 AM
No idea, but for reference Takara Tomy produce the Linear Liner (http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/linearliner/movie/), a model of the Japanese maglev.
Title: Re: Magnetic levitation
Post by: woodbury22uk on October 08, 2016, 09:00:54 AM
Oldman was using IDL induction motors for moving things, and there are some references over on the T gauge threads.

http://www.teenytrains.com/ (http://www.teenytrains.com/)

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=20567.msg243375#msg243375 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=20567.msg243375#msg243375)        from post #25



Title: Re: Magnetic levitation
Post by: DarrwestLU6 on October 01, 2018, 11:32:09 PM
Wow! I am very impressed that the model maglev train is ready now (I found this Japan Times video from 2015 https://youtu.be/xirz7Zm8t6w (https://youtu.be/xirz7Zm8t6w)) and yet the 505kph/314 mph real thing isn't ready until 2027.

But this is VERY cool - how can I resist a ride on a 314mph train!

Wiki extract here: The Chuo Shinkansen (中央新幹線 Chūō Shinkansen) is a Japanese maglev line under construction between Tokyo and Nagoya, and planned to be extended to Osaka. Its initial section is between Shinagawa Station in Tokyo and Nagoya Station in Nagoya.....The line is expected to connect Tokyo and Nagoya in 40 minutes, and eventually Tokyo and Osaka in 67 minutes, running at a maximum speed of 505 km/h (314 mph)...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C5%AB%C5%8D_Shinkansen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C5%AB%C5%8D_Shinkansen)

Just look at those two cities on Google Maps - that's quite a distance!



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6745-011018233146.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69632)
Title: Re: Magnetic levitation
Post by: Snowwolflair on October 01, 2018, 11:51:33 PM
There are several articles across the internet on this and the consensus is powered rubber rollers and guide wheels, which given that's how the real ones are powered is consistent.

The FUJI monorails are models of units that are really electric buses which run on rubber wheels on a concrete beam.  Its simple and cheap.
Title: Re: Magnetic levitation
Post by: Snowwolflair on October 02, 2018, 12:54:17 AM
If you are prepared to make your own concrete pylons topped with TGauge (3mm) track, motorising with TGauge power cars should be straight forward.