starting a thread for the new products which will be announced tomorrow lunch time....
no wish list responses please!!! guess if you like though...!!
cheers
tim
I'll guess any new models will be later than originally planned. :D
Go on then, I will have a guess:
More MK2 stock and more liveries for 37, 47 and possibly 60.
No idea on the freight side of things or steam.
Skyline2uk
? :D
Thompson stock ?
Despite the quality and the "wanting" out here but bearing in mind the time it takes to get any item to market after announcement, the issues that jump up from the wayside and bite and delay and the number of us that are still waiting for some items ......... will I be able to have the delivery dates on my tombstone posthumously :) :) :)
:sorrysign:
Just get Bachmann to estimate when you'll die... :bounce:
Whatever is announced I'll just forget all about it for a couple of years.
Then wait for the delivery date to be announced.
Wait a further 6 months.
Have a look when the new model arrives in the shop.
Wait 9 months or so till the price is reduced to get rid of stock.
Purchase it if I want it.
So that means I will live forever ...... well, close to ;)
My bet is on a quiet year with the focus on consolidation. On the MI front, I predict the Class 90 will go through the shrink ray. On the steam front I think the success of the WD will see another 2-8-0 in the form of the O4 (hopefully with Swindonised examples to follow ;)). For multiple units I am keeping my fingers crossed that the 117 will also be announced in N gauge.
Looking at rolling stock my crystal ball is starting to get a bit hazy (although that could be the beer :pint: ).
Quote from: Karhedron on February 29, 2016, 09:24:04 PM
My bet is on a quiet year with the focus on consolidation. On the MI front, I predict the Class 90 will go through the shrink ray. On the steam front I think the success of the WD will see another 2-8-0 in the form of the O4 (hopefully with Swindonised examples to follow ;)). For multiple units I am keeping my fingers crossed that the 117 will also be announced in N gauge.
Looking at rolling stock my crystal ball is starting to get a bit hazy (although that could be the beer :pint: ).
I normally wait to see what actually happens, but (hopefully) the 117/118 will be a go-er :)
We tend to get the the reliveries a couple of years after 00 gauge so I'll take a punt on 47436 in large logo and 47190 in railfreight petroleum.
Maybe.
Port Peran said... "Whatever is announced I'll just forget all about it for a couple of years.
Then wait for the delivery date to be announced.
Wait a further 6 months.
Have a look when the new model arrives in the shop.
Wait 9 months or so till the price is reduced to get rid of stock.
Purchase i"
I ask myself is Martin Cynical, or simply a realist...lol
Couple of items on my wish list - GBRf 20s and Colas 70
I'm hoping a few livery additions for the class 60 & 66. We shall see!
I'm hoping for some atmospheric rail coaches, but I'm not
holding my breath......
Hmmm,
Well I have a large wish list and well if even one can be ticked off I will be happy but I am not holding out to much hope
Quote from: Agrippa on February 29, 2016, 10:55:46 PM
I'm hoping for some atmospheric rail coaches, but I'm not
holding my breath......
You'll have to wait for a long time for pneus on that front.
I wonder if we might see their first sound chipped loco.
I'm not predicting much new this time round:
All-new:
Class 25/3
GWR Large Prairie
Modified tooling:
Long-range fuel tank Intercity Swallow 47/8 with remodelled cabs
Class 47 Railfreight Distribution "Channel Tunnel" livery with remodelled cabs
Reliveries:
Silverlink 150/1
GWR 150/2
Strathclyde orange/black 3-car 101
Maroon Hawksworth carriages
Mk1 FO, BCK in Intercity "Swallow" charter trains style
Any Southern steam, but preferably an "Arfur" second choice a Nelson - and soon cos I ain't getting any younger!
The 64xx was showing May/June but is now July/August. >:( Castle is still some time in the future. I won't be holding my breath no matter what is announced.
Large Prairie would be nice though.
Okay, I'll play along too...
I'd think we're still in a consolidation period, so maybe 25/3 and/or 24 with headcode boxes, (both modification of existing CAD/Tooling?)?
Thomson Coaches?
Possibly an ER steam workhorse?
However, in addition, in the what-I'd-like-to-see-but-there-isn't-a-snowballs, category:
V2
Clan
Ex CR Tank
Griddle Coaches
Newton Chambers Car Carriers
I guess the pickings will be really slim for a Pre-Nationalisation LMS modeller :'(
Still it gives me an excuse to repaint locomotives that are nearly £150 each, what a wonderful hobby we have :)
I just hope whatever is announced actually hits the shops instead of the more traditional delay, after delay, which must be very frustrating..........Now I wonder what Union Mils have to tempt me?
What about the Stannier Mogul, seeing as its been released finally in OO or at least its nearly ready to be released???
Quote from: paulprice on March 01, 2016, 10:03:19 AM
I guess the pickings will be really slim for a Pre-Nationalisation LMS modeller :'(
Still it gives me an excuse to repaint locomotives that are nearly £150 each, what a wonderful hobby we have :)
I just hope whatever is announced actually hits the shops instead of the more traditional delay, after delay, which must be very frustrating..........Now I wonder what Union Mils have to tempt me?
8F a reasonable punt?
Quote from: paulprice on March 01, 2016, 10:05:45 AM
What about the Stannier Mogul, seeing as its been released finally in OO or at least its nearly ready to be released???
I would think that the Crab would be more like than the Stanier Mogul as it was a larger class, more widespread & certainly more distinctive looking. Don't expect to see either announced however.
I'll be happy with a 25/3 ( which would I think be a big seller) but the 8F must be another possible.
Might not be out of the realms of possibility for them to announce a 92, now that the Pendo and the 321 are realities?
10100 "The Fell Diesel Locomotive (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_10100) :P
But I'd settle for something AC electric, preferably in blue or sectorization.
Return of the Virgin voyager would be good for me, can't seem to get hold of one anywhere.
Quote from: Boco_d2 on March 01, 2016, 10:45:05 AM
Return of the Virgin voyager would be good for me, can't seem to get hold of one anywhere.
This is on Ebay just now, reasonable price?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Graham-Farish-class-220-001-Maiden-Voyager-Virgin-Trains-4-car-unit-/262283084339?hash=item3d114a4233:g:32oAAOSwjVVVzlaB (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Graham-Farish-class-220-001-Maiden-Voyager-Virgin-Trains-4-car-unit-/262283084339?hash=item3d114a4233:g:32oAAOSwjVVVzlaB)
QuoteMight not be out of the realms of possibility for them to announce a 92, now that the Pendo and the 321 are realities?
You know that crossed my mind, I had a conversation on the Facebook group about the 92 being just about the only mainline modern loco not available in RTR (aside from CJM).
I hear conflicting rumours about Dapol progressing CAD for theirs or not.
Ok, that topic needs its own thread / continued thread.
I will finish by saying I will be astonished if a Farish 92 is announced.
Skyline2uk
As others have said, I don't think there will be many completely new items announced this year (to arrive who knows when).
Common themes from previous years include re-tooled stuff that was in the old Poole range and scaled down stuff from last year's Bachmann OO announcements.
The LMS 8F and Crab both seem like prime candidates for updating, could they share some parts (e.g. tenders) with existing Farish items like the 4F or Class 5/Jubilee/Scott?
The GWR 94xx (I think) pannier tank was announced for Bachmann last year so I think that's in with a chance. I'd like to see a re-tooled GWR Large Prarie but I'm not holding my breath.
Another thing I'd love to see is the forthcoming Class 117 DMU shrunk to N gauge but I don't know if the economics of producing a 3-car DMU would make it too expensive for the market (I noticed that last year's 101 and 108 variants were all 2-car units).
Hopefully we will also get some new liveries for existing coaches (Hawksworths in BR Maroon and BR Mk1 firsts and catering vehicles in Intercity are top of my wish list).
Not long until we find out...
Plenty of NSE colour about ....
and I see the Class 25 done as 25 225 - a St Blazey regualar in the late 70s :)
Triple pack of china clay wagons (no hoods) in GWR grey livery - could be handy if it is no hoods at all and a reasonable price ;)
A 319? Well knock me down with a feather! :goggleeyes:
Lot's of NSE there...some check Tank's pulse!
Steam era modellers can look forward to the first ready-to-run British outline N scale steam locomotive to be offered with DCC Sound. The GWR Castle Class locomotives will feature the latest Next18 DCC decoder sockets and taking full advantage of these developments, a model of preserved class member No. 5029 'Nunney Castle' will be available with DCC Sound. Next18 decoder sockets will be incorporated into future Graham Farish release such as the Class 40 diesel, allowing additional DCC functions such as lighting and sound features.
Sound !
Well I was expecting to be well humoured!!
But thats a hell of a selection even the 319s plus plenty of non toothpaste northern variety!!! I am a very very happy boy the wallet and the other half wont be!! :bounce:
Apart from the surprise of the 319, there is precious little to report. I expected a quiet year but not that quiet. No new locos or coaches at all, not even Maroon Hawksworths.
Dammit Farish, where is my POT? :doh:
@Tank (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2)
Ivor making an appeared in NSE RTR....
But it's the 319 which is a real shock!
Skyline2uk
Quote from: Karhedron on March 01, 2016, 12:50:05 PM
Apart from the surprise of the 319, there is precious little to report. I expected a quiet year but not that quiet. No new locos or coaches at all, not even Maroon Hawksworths.
Dammit Farish, where is my POT? :doh:
Agreed re the POT.
Nothing new at all is there?
Quote from: Karhedron on March 01, 2016, 12:50:05 PM
Dammit Farish, where is my POT? :doh:
Now now what you smoke is up to you but this is a family forum :P
Typical! Only 6 steamers but 23 diseasels & MUs.
And the steamers BR, GWR and LMS, no SR nor LNER, I sometimes wonder why I bother.
An Ivatt in late BR emblem. I might go for that - though it will cost a lot more than the £58 Hattons charged me for 46400! But if we had had a choice at the start I would only have gone for late emblem. Unlikely to go for much else.
Quote from: Dorsetmike on March 01, 2016, 12:55:47 PM
Typical! Only 6 steamers but 23 diseasels & MUs.
And the steamers BR, GWR and LMS, no SR nor LNER, I sometimes wonder why I bother.
I agree, I can't help but feel somewhat disappointed.
Quote from: Portpatrick on March 01, 2016, 01:01:05 PM
An Ivatt in late BR emblem. I might go for that - though it will cost a lot more than the £58 Hattons charged me for 46400! But if we had had a choice at the start I would only have gone for late emblem. Unlikely to go for much else.
Yep maybe a blessing in disguise, only the 4 wheel SR Utility van will be nice to have.
I wonder what the train sets/pack is made up of? With no POT I don't see how the mail set can be anything other than 'modern image'?
I'm crossing fingers and hoping the blue 37 is of the later buffer beam variety.
Other than that there's a nice selection of freight re-issues.
Apart from an 85 they couldn't have made me any happier than announcing the 40 last year anyway. :)
Nothing to trouble my wallet.
I'd go for a Southern 319. Never really run on the North Kent line but I'm sure I can find an excuse...
Guess who isn't releasing a 319 then after all.........
Quote from: NTrain on March 01, 2016, 01:30:36 PM
Guess who isn't releasing a 319 then after all.........
Bob
You have probably got until 2019 to get yours out ahead of Bachmann, going on recent performance.
John Prescott once said "The only people who'll make money out of rail privatisation are the paint producers." Looks like Bachmann are mostly supporting the same cause!
Where are the RTR small industrial steam engines to replace the Minitrix/Bachmann/Rivarossi Docks, Peco Pecketts, Maffeis, Cuckoos, etc? Hornby seem to have clocked the demand in OO, as have several O gauge producers.
Mike
Not a lot there for me :'( Still the wallet moths wont leave me
I have great sympathy for all your aspirations, however, reading over the combined wishlist from the beginning of the thread only about 10% of the suggestions could sell in sufficient quantities to cover the tooling cost.
Its this tooling cost that means every possible livery variant of existing tooling will be considered over a completely new model.
NSE - the focus will tempt new and existing modelers to buy the range - so a good marketing ploy.
I applaud the 319 but its using up three tooling slots of what appears to be a rolling eight tools in development at any one time policy.
I plumped for sound as my guess, as its a drop in upgrade were Farish can buy it in for minimum development cost. My guessing is a "sound chip" company has sold then a loss leader deal to be seen as the chip supplier for the first N gauge RTR British sound steam loco. Lets hope its a Zimo chip or similar with a really good sound scheme.
Keep going Farish where would we be without you.
NB I would like NEM pockets on everything please
Quote from: Only Me on March 01, 2016, 12:44:09 PM
371-650A Class 57/3 No. 57306 'Jeff Tracy' in Virgin livery
Opportunity missed to secure a sale from those buying a Pendolino as this is the non Dellner fitted version, in other words only good for the period from June 2002 to October 2003.
Over to you Revolution to commission a Dellner fitted 57 in Virgin colours. Farish have a Dellner fitted body and both of you have rights to reproduce the Virgin logos etc.
I think it will only be a matter of time to do a deliner fitter virgin 57.
Hi Gang,
Steve P of Bachmann confirms that 57306 is Dellner fitted...
Later,
Stu from EGDL.
The Gas Cupboard just put up some pictures on their Facebook. Looks like the Class 47 NSE set is at least at painted sample. Only thing is the 47 is in older style NSE. Good for variety but I suppose I like the newer version better (as shown on Haymarket).
You can also see the new livery for the postal 47 set.
Interesting to note the sets in 00, including one with a triple grey 20. N gets the underground livery one.
Skyline2uk
Quote from: NTrain on March 01, 2016, 01:30:36 PM
Guess who isn't releasing a 319 then after all.........
Go on Bob, tell 'em what youre thinking of releasing, go on! go on!... :claphappy:
Clue maybe?
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/thumb_2540.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=2540)
To me there are two interesting things about the list - the first is that there's essentially only one fully new tooled model on it (319) - it looks as though the 'still outstanding' list may start to diminish at last as a result - 4MTs and Castles already closing in on being here.
The second is the new tooled chassis for the GWR railcar - not heard this mentioned anywhere else - presumably to make it DCC ready? Interesting that they are still willing to devote retooling time and effort to this old Poole derived model (albeit not too bad a one). I'll be interested to hear how this chassis has been changed, whether it's only DCC or whether it'll get more radical modernisation over the last split version.
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Dr Al on March 01, 2016, 02:46:40 PM
To me there are two interesting things about the list - the first is that there's essentially only one fully new tooled model on it (319) - it looks as though the 'still outstanding' list may start to diminish at last as a result - 4MTs and Castles already closing in on being here.
The second is the new tooled chassis for the GWR railcar - not heard this mentioned anywhere else - presumably to make it DCC ready? Interesting that they are still willing to devote retooling time and effort to this old Poole derived model (albeit not too bad a one). I'll be interested to hear how this chassis has been changed, whether it's only DCC or whether it'll get more radical modernisation over the last split version.
Cheers,
Alan
Interesting analysis Alan.
Let's surmise that Farish take another year to consolidate, and all things being well, they have more or less caught up by say this time next year. Do you see a return to a "bonanza" of new announcements next March, or will they react more sensibly and only announce within their means?
As an aside, when do Dapol announce their intentions?
Hello,
As far as I remember 37041 had black headcode panels and the cowlings into the mid-1980s, and was converted soon after into 37520 - so I imagine it will just be a re-number of 37038. Not that its beyond Farish getting it wrong. I have got to say it was my favourite 37 body-style - although by the 80s many had yellow headcodes and cowlings cut back, like the orrible oversize model of 049.
Cheers
Paul
My guess is that we will probably not return to the boom levels seen in the past for several reasons.
1. Market is still more subdued that it was 5-ish years ago when the recession had yet to bite into discretionary spending.
2. Much of the "low hanging fruit" has been done leaving the less common (and profitable) types.
3. Prices of individual items are significantly higher than they were 5 years ago meaning fewer units shifted, even if total spend remains the same.
Hopefully once Farish and Dapol have diminished their backlog we will see a new "steady state" of release announcements. However I don't know what sort of level this will be at (hopefully slightly higher than today's announcement).
Quote from: ScottyStitch on March 01, 2016, 02:54:17 PM
Let's surmise that Farish take another year to consolidate, and all things being well, they have more or less caught up by say this time next year. Do you see a return to a "bonanza" of new announcements next March, or will they react more sensibly and only announce within their means?
It'll be interesting to see, but we've had a lot of new releases partly because of a lot of retooling. Now in the diesel market, a lot of the traditional big sellers have been done by one or other of the manufacturers which actually doesn't leave so much - classes 03,04,08,20,22,24,25,26,27,31,33,35,37,40,44,45,46,47,50,52,55,56,60,66,67,68,70,DP1 all been done or are coming, for instance - a list that (broadly) doesn't have many gaps in it as compared not so many years ago.
Steam is less so, but still a lot of the traditional big popular items are now out there too.
I suspect the rate of new releases will drop a bit, but even one new tooled item a year is as much or more than we used to get from Farish in the English production days, so everything is relative. I suspect though that reducing choice of new tool options (that are realistically economically viable - of course there are millions of choices, many obscure, but most would not break even) will reign in what we've perhaps got too used to in the last few years.
But who knows.....only time will tell!
Cheers,
Alan
That certainly makes sense.
With Dapol, Farish and DJM (and of course 'our own' RevolutioN) in the market place, I'd be happy with one or two new models per year from each. So would my wallet. Couple that (ouch) with one or two new coach/wagon ranges, we could have a happy medium.
I think my money will be safe for a while but I'm sure lots of people will be happy and it gives me time to save up again.
:NGaugersRule:
Neither excited nor disappointed; the BR Blue class 20 looks nice if it's unweathered (needed to fill a gap in my BR blue collection, which is otherwise waiting on Dapol). And one can never have enough Mk1 coaches, or Mk2fs. The 319 is an interesting development, though such is my knowledge of EMUs I had to Google it - might make an interesting Rule 1 purchase to go with the RevolutioN 320/321. But I've already got more than enough projects to distract me for the foreseeable future (some which will involve Bob at BRlines and an airbrush), so we'll see.
Quote
Steam is less so, but still a lot of the traditional big popular items are now out there too.
Except SR pre WW2, 3UM locos, T9, 700, 0395, 2 Dapol M7, Terrier, 1 Farish N class, and a Schools to come (eventually one hopes) ZERO 4-6-0s No Lord Nelson, No King Arthur, No H15, No S15 No N15X none of the ex SECR 4-4-0s nor their rebuilds, No heavy goods tanks, G16, H16, W and Z classes only the T9 out of 7 Drummond 4-4-0 classes, only the Terrier out of the many Brighton tanks.
I don't count Bullieds locos as they didn't appear until WW2 and after. My interest is SR mid 1930s, impossible to model realistically without kits, hacks and scratch builds
Almost a classic Catch 22 situation "nobody models the SR cos nobody makes any SR stock / nobody makes SR stock cos nobody models SR"
Quote from: StufromEGDL on March 01, 2016, 02:25:03 PM
Steve P of Bachmann confirms that 57306 is Dellner fitted...
:thankyousign:
Good news then. I was looking at the product number and as it suffixed with an A I worked back to the original model, think it was Scott Tracy, and assumed non-Dellner.
Class 319 is an exceptionally good choice with widespread use on lines north and south of London, along with more recent deployments with Northern and London Midland.
Farish have sensibly chosen the three most popular liveries with NSE, Thameslink (which version?) and Northern. This still leaves a plethora of other liveries to consider, such as Connex, Southern, First Capital Connect, Other Thameslink versions and London Midland.
Well my wallet has breathed a huge sigh of relief - nothing to tempt me in that huge list of reissues, reliveries and tweaks to existing models, the only things that are entirely new are the 319 (about 20 years outwith my era) and the whole raft of Scenecraft.
Good to see the 4MT std Tank and SR 4-wheel vans in production, but the Birdcage coaches don't seem to have moved since last year - they're not even in the Drawing Office yet...
I might be tempted by the reissued GUV and RMB (different numbers to those I already have, and in the case of the GUV, a duplicate may be ousted).
I am puzzled by the 3x pack of SR 12T vans in the 'Express Dairies Eggs' livery - unless I am mistaken eggs were transhipped in Shock vans, less likely to get omlettes at the other end... But then again, looks like there was a prototype:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51oVLD2ap7L._SX425_.jpg (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51oVLD2ap7L._SX425_.jpg)
Quote from: talisman56 on March 01, 2016, 04:56:36 PM
I am puzzled by the 3x pack of SR 12T vans in the 'Express Dairies Eggs' livery - unless I am mistaken eggs were transhipped in Shock vans, less likely to get omlettes at the other end... But then again, looks like there was a prototype:
I was surprised by them as well and came upon the same picture. They look interesting, but unlikely to have been shipped all the way to central/north-east Scotland...........so I must resist.
Quote from: railsquid on March 01, 2016, 03:35:17 PM
But I've already got more than enough projects to distract me for the foreseeable future (some which will involve Bob at BRlines and an airbrush), so we'll see.
What livery are you going to paint him? :)
I welcome the 319 - most certainly remember them when they first appeared on BR, whether I actually buy any is another point.
Also pleased that Shillingstone station will be reproduced in the smaller scale.
Must also add I'm pleased they've announced Ivatt 2MT 2-6-0 46443 - preserved on the Severn Valley, and based at Saltley at the time when I was born.
To echo my comments on RMweb, I think the 319 is a really important statement. We hear much about model EMUs not being viable in any scale, yet here we are with the 319 being announced. This is a functional and somewhat unloved prototype, so Farish are not playing to the nostalgia market with this model.
Could the investigations and polls from Revolution have convinced Farish that a modern EMU is worth pursuing still? Indeed, could it be that there has been sufficient interest to get a Pendolino and the 320/321 off the ground in N gauge, that has lead to the 319 being announced?
Quote from: Claude Dreyfus on March 01, 2016, 06:34:59 PM
Could the investigations and polls from Revolution have convinced Farish that a modern EMU is worth pursuing still? Indeed, could it be that there has been sufficient interest to get a Pendolino and the 320/321 off the ground in N gauge, that has lead to the 319 being announced?
I don't believe in coincidence and the 319 can be reissued in so many liveries.
A little disappointed that there are no dcc ready peaks planned
Quote from: gc4946 on March 01, 2016, 05:08:02 PM
I welcome the 319 - most certainly remember them when they first appeared on BR, whether I actually buy any is another point.
By the time the 319's released, it might cost about £200 RRP!
371-431A Cross Country and 371-427A South West Trains 2-car 170s are priced (for now) at £169.95 RRP.
20205 & 20227 - guess what I've done already....
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1711/24943838929_806350ad9f_h.jpg)
My wish has been granted with the Colas Fugly though... (and hopefully the Dapol 68 very shortly!)
Quote from: gc4946 on March 01, 2016, 06:56:18 PM
Quote from: gc4946 on March 01, 2016, 05:08:02 PM
I welcome the 319 - most certainly remember them when they first appeared on BR, whether I actually buy any is another point.
By the time the 319's released, it might cost about £200 RRP!
371-431A Cross Country and 371-427A South West Trains 2-car 170s are priced (for now) at £169.95 RRP.
I am starting to worry that the eye-watering price increases are going to put people off the hobby. £170 for a 2-car DMU which uses old tooling, has no lighting, is not DCC-ready and has virtually no separate detail is really taking the p..roverbial! :veryangry:
Having just seen the RRP for the NSE 08, I have to agree with my learned colleague above :(
Skyline2uk
I would even six months ago have said that the 319 would never happen, but I think the RevolutioN Pendolino may have been seen as something of an enabler, especially with the 321 also in the offing. Good to see Network Southeast being acknowledged too and it has to be said smart use of existing models to facilitate it.
Thin pickings were predicted by many, me included but I have to say I'm not unduly bothered. I will definitely have a late crest Ivatt, the £5 price hike was expected and not in my humble opinion too outrageous. Good to see a weathered version too.
Disappointing that the J72 is still not even at the drawing stage, I wonder if Dapol are now rueing their decision to pull their version.
Also a shame the 40 isn't closer, but hopefully when it does arrive it will have sound on board.
I don't think I'm going to bother to dial in for the announcements next year though...
Roy
Moving on to the scenic items, I am pleased to see the tenement block backs coming to N gauge. They are lovely models although I have a feeling they will be prohibitively expensive for the length that I would like.
Quote from: captainelectra on March 01, 2016, 04:53:23 PM
Farish have sensibly chosen the three most popular liveries with NSE, Thameslink (which version?) and Northern.
The RMWeb announcement does not say but the Farish website has a picture with this livery up.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Class_319_DC_Unit_-_Thameslink_livery_-_East_Croydon_railway_station_-_England_-_270404.jpg)
That's my favourite iteration of Thameslink livery. Should look really good.
I'm gobsmacked by the 319. I'll need these for my North West layout, course by the time I get one they will have awarded a new franchise!
It also means that my 321 purchase will now be strictly rule 1.
Just need Dapol to get the Pacer done and someone (Revolution, hint, hint) to do a 185, and then all the passenger stock for my layout will be done.
I don't get why there aren't more reliveries, where is the 150 in Northern or another DRS 66?
John P
Quote from: jpendle on March 01, 2016, 09:15:28 PM
I'm gobsmacked by the 319. I'll need these for my North West layout, course by the time I get one they will have awarded a new franchise!
It also means that my 321 purchase will now be strictly rule 1.
Just need Dapol to get the Pacer done and someone (Revolution, hint, hint) to do a 185, and then all the passenger stock for my layout will be done.
I don't get why there aren't more reliveries, where is the 150 in Northern or another DRS 66?
John P
It's probably down to production slots. The factory doesn't just produce 'toys' for Farish, they have many contracts, so Farish need to pick the slots carefully, as does every other manufacturer. I guess they just try to strike a cost effective balance....
Quote from: Only Me on March 01, 2016, 12:44:09 PM
371-170 Class 37/4 No. 37422 'Robert F. Fairlie' in Regional Railways livery
374-017 BR Mark 1 TSO in Regional Railways livery
374-194 BR Mark 1 BSK in Regional Railways livery
IN THE DRAWING OFFICE
These items are at the design stage. From the CAD drawings produced, the toolmakers will begin turning them into EP samples. The following items are currently at this stage:
BR Mark 2F Coaches
The 37/4 in Regional Railways is probably my only choice
The main issue is the coaches, not quite accurate for Scotland
The Mark 2F coaches are now going backwards, the last time I had spoken Bachmann they had produced samples but then discovered they had used the wrong drawings!
Time was I'd have purchased the latest issues of the green class 24, 25 and 37 in addition to those I already have, along with a nice green 'City of Edinburgh' and the late crest Ivatt 2MT but sadly unexpected expenses on the home front and the anticipated release prices of these locos means none of them will be bought.
What do the night mail and day at the races train sets comprise of??? anyone know?
Newportnobby said... Time was I'd have purchased the latest issues of the green class 24, 25 and 37 in addition to those I already have, along with a nice green 'City of Edinburgh' and the late crest Ivatt 2MT but sadly unexpected expenses on the home front and the anticipated release prices of these locos means none of them will be bought.
He very likely speaks for many of us. Some say we must get used to/accept these higher prices. However the level of increase and year on year rises are bound to either freeze some people out of buying, or to a varying degree curtail their level of purchases.
As I said in a post some weeks back, I'm glad I purchased so much prior to the ongoing price increases. I have become focussed on my "round to it" drawers, taking a fresh look at those projects not started, or half finished.
Quote from: newportnobby on March 01, 2016, 09:54:25 PM
Time was I'd have purchased the latest issues of the green class 24, 25 and 37 in addition to those I already have, along with a nice green 'City of Edinburgh' and the late crest Ivatt 2MT but sadly unexpected expenses on the home front and the anticipated release prices of these locos means none of them will be bought.
Similarly I would have had my eyes on Nunney Castle for my preserved GW layout, but as there is no DC option, and the DCC one is expected to be £219 I won't be having one of those either. I'm all for new tech, but it's such a shame that these models are focussing so heavily on the new technology whether you want it or not that they are pricing out those of us who don't have the deepest pockets.
If you wait 6 months or so after a new model is out you can usually find it much cheaper, or just look out on ebay. still expensive but cheaper than the brand new just released prices.
I only pre order items i really really want and don't want to miss out on and for other items just wait a while or hope for reduced prices at tings or other shows. prices for second hand items seem quite high now as well though. it can be an expensive addiction / hobby.
Tim
I concur with NPN, the anticipated prices will make me much more selective regarding any future purchases. Pretty pleased my layout is well stocked for both Big-4 or BR green diesel ops.
Another triumph of outsourcing/offshoring comes to fruition...
On the plus side it's beginning to make my excursion into O gauge kit-building look financially sensible.
:worried:
In terms of this years releases it does seem to me that Bachmann have deployed the shrink ray and shrunk some of 2015's OO catalogue liveried diesels.
We see a Colas 37 and 70, a London Underground 20 amongst other things.
It makes sense that they are consolidating with.............
I wonder what Dapol will hit back with???
Quote from: richard.ferraro23 on March 01, 2016, 10:54:18 PM
Similarly I would have had my eyes on Nunney Castle for my preserved GW layout, but as there is no DC option, and the DCC one is expected to be £219 I won't be having one of those either. I'm all for new tech, but it's such a shame that these models are focussing so heavily on the new technology whether you want it or not that they are pricing out those of us who don't have the deepest pockets.
Ouch, I could use that too, come to think of it, but not with a DCC/sound tax.
Hello all,
Browsing the Farish site I noticed a couple of modern wagons that might appeal....
377-103 is the popular JGA wagon in pale grey VTG livery, while 377-731 is the SPA open wagon in Network rail yellow.
cheers
Ben A.
Quote from: railsquid on March 01, 2016, 11:56:25 PM
Quote from: richard.ferraro23 on March 01, 2016, 10:54:18 PM
Similarly I would have had my eyes on Nunney Castle for my preserved GW layout, but as there is no DC option, and the DCC one is expected to be £219 I won't be having one of those either. I'm all for new tech, but it's such a shame that these models are focussing so heavily on the new technology whether you want it or not that they are pricing out those of us who don't have the deepest pockets.
Ouch, I could use that too, come to think of it, but not with a DCC/sound tax.
There are three non-DCC sound fitted Castles in the catalogue with a RRP of £139.95.
Quote from: johnlambert on March 02, 2016, 07:08:34 AM
Quote from: railsquid on March 01, 2016, 11:56:25 PM
Quote from: richard.ferraro23 on March 01, 2016, 10:54:18 PM
Similarly I would have had my eyes on Nunney Castle for my preserved GW layout, but as there is no DC option, and the DCC one is expected to be £219 I won't be having one of those either. I'm all for new tech, but it's such a shame that these models are focussing so heavily on the new technology whether you want it or not that they are pricing out those of us who don't have the deepest pockets.
Ouch, I could use that too, come to think of it, but not with a DCC/sound tax.
There are three non-DCC sound fitted Castles in the catalogue with a RRP of £139.95.
Yeah, I've been looking at those, but as Nunney is one that is actually in preservation and one I've seen I have a little bit of a soft spot for it. I will probably end up getting the non-DCC GW livery, but then re-numbering and re-naming. A non-DCC Nunney would have saved me the trouble. Hehe. On the other hand I do like that they quietly posted the livery samples for the other Castles yesterday and the GW one is shirtbutton rather than crest, looks really smart and will go nicely with my Shirtbutton Collett coaches.
Quote from: richard.ferraro23 on March 02, 2016, 08:04:38 AM
Quote from: johnlambert on March 02, 2016, 07:08:34 AM
Quote from: railsquid on March 01, 2016, 11:56:25 PM
Quote from: richard.ferraro23 on March 01, 2016, 10:54:18 PM
Similarly I would have had my eyes on Nunney Castle for my preserved GW layout, but as there is no DC option, and the DCC one is expected to be £219 I won't be having one of those either. I'm all for new tech, but it's such a shame that these models are focussing so heavily on the new technology whether you want it or not that they are pricing out those of us who don't have the deepest pockets.
Ouch, I could use that too, come to think of it, but not with a DCC/sound tax.
There are three non-DCC sound fitted Castles in the catalogue with a RRP of £139.95.
Yeah, I've been looking at those, but as Nunney is one that is actually in preservation and one I've seen I have a little bit of a soft spot for it. I will probably end up getting the non-DCC GW livery, but then re-numbering and re-naming. A non-DCC Nunney would have saved me the trouble. Hehe. On the other hand I do like that they quietly posted the livery samples for the other Castles yesterday and the GW one is shirtbutton rather than crest, looks really smart and will go nicely with my Shirtbutton Collett coaches.
Don't worry there is bound to be be aftermarket body swapping
Ah the agony of choice!
I thought the DCC first Castle would remove an option for my next purchase, but seeing the non-DCC ones puts that choice right back.
Have fancied a "Rule 1" steam loco for a while, Castles being my favourite.
Skyline2uk
Quote from: OwL on March 01, 2016, 11:24:49 PM
In terms of this years releases it does seem to me that Bachmann have deployed the shrink ray and shrunk some of 2015's OO catalogue liveried diesels.
We see a Colas 37 and 70, a London Underground 20 amongst other things.
It makes sense that they are consolidating with.............
I wonder what Dapol will hit back with???
Why couldn't they have done that with the older 2EPB instead of, or even together with, the brand new tooling 319, which doesn't 'go' with the existing EMU stock available from the same stable (4CEP)? I could have a few 2EPBs, and even try bashing a pair into a 4EPB...
Quote from: shandy on March 01, 2016, 10:54:48 PM
Another triumph of outsourcing/offshoring comes to fruition...
:worried:
To be fair Bachmann Europe is a subsidiary of the Chinese operation, and the manufacturing has always been done there so not a case of outsourcing/offshoring unless meaning that Farish was previously UK made.
Reflect that for the quality of models we are now seeing they would still cost significantly more were they made in the UK and that's assuming you could find and retain a workforce willing to assemble all the tiny parts.
Roy
Quote from: johnlambert on March 02, 2016, 07:08:34 AM
Quote from: railsquid on March 01, 2016, 11:56:25 PM
Quote from: richard.ferraro23 on March 01, 2016, 10:54:18 PM
Similarly I would have had my eyes on Nunney Castle for my preserved GW layout, but as there is no DC option, and the DCC one is expected to be £219 I won't be having one of those either. I'm all for new tech, but it's such a shame that these models are focussing so heavily on the new technology whether you want it or not that they are pricing out those of us who don't have the deepest pockets.
Ouch, I could use that too, come to think of it, but not with a DCC/sound tax.
There are three non-DCC sound fitted Castles in the catalogue with a RRP of £139.95.
I think £219.95 RRP (so say£190 ish at usual discount) is a steal for a DCC sound loco. Even to do your own, a chip and speaker will set you back about £90, add to that the discounted price of a non sound Castle say £110 and it probably costs more (Pay someone to do it for you, significantly more).
In starting to move towards DCC sound myself I have definitely reached the conclusion that less is more, a loco is doing "something" even when not moving, for example my 37 just sitting there lumpily ticking over is so cool. I can see I will end up with fewer locos and my next layout will have a fairly simple track plan, all balanced by what each loco brings to the party.
In saying this I do acknowledge that cost will be a significant factor for many making my points above pretty academic and I would say if you want something simpler and cheaper steam wise, look no further than Union Mills.
Roy
Quote from: Roy L S on March 02, 2016, 10:16:48 AM
I think £219.95 RRP (so say£190 ish at usual discount) is a steal for a DCC sound loco. Even to do your own, a chip and speaker will set you back about £90, add to that the discounted price of a non sound Castle say £110 and it probably costs more (Pay someone to do it for you, significantly more).
I don't think the question is one of value, rather it is about only providing the expensive option and not giving customers a choice. This was the problem with the Peco 2251, the Lenz decoder it included was regarded as being a good chip and the cost of the loco was less than that of a comparable loco plus separate chip. The problem was a large number of modellers didn't want DCC at all and resented paying a premium for an extra feature that they couldn't use.
Now in Farish's case it is not quite as bad as that as DC-only Castles will still be available. However I have to agree that Nunney Castle in the proposed livery is a nice choice and one that I might have gone for in addition to a normal BR liveried Castle. However I have no plans on spending an extra £80 (before discounting) for a feature that I have no intention of using. Even if I do make the leap to DCC, I won't be using sound as it sounds gimmicky to me.
Maybe after-market body-swapping will be the way forward after all. :uneasy:
Each to their own Matt. I am a fairly recent convert to DCC and only just taken the leap into sound (3 locos so far). I have found that sound brings life to the layout in a non-visual way.
The point I was making is that innovation is to be expected. Many will take the plunge with Nunney Castle as their first DCC sound loco and the price is very competitive. I suspect we may see other RTR sound fitted locos sooner rather than later - possibly even a variant of the 40 (I'm not quite clear about this from what I have read).
Sure, for those who want this model of Nunney Castle non-sound it must be frustrating but Bachmann must be pretty confident they can sell 1000 of them and at that price I'm sure they will.
As you say, for those who don't want the sound there are still three other choices.
Roy
Quote from: Roy L S on March 02, 2016, 10:37:08 AM
Each to their own Matt. I am a fairly recent convert to DCC and only just taken the leap into sound (3 locos so far). I have found that sound brings life to the layout in a non-visual way.
The point I was making is that innovation is to be expected. Many will take the plunge with Nunney Castle as their first DCC sound loco and the price is very competitive. I suspect we may see other RTR sound fitted locos sooner rather than later - possibly even a variant of the 40 (I'm not quite clear about this from what I have read).
Sure, for those who want this model of Nunney Castle non-sound it must be frustrating but Bachmann must be pretty confident they can sell 1000 of them and at that price I'm sure they will.
As you say, for those who don't want the sound there are still three other choices.
Roy
Remember there will be lots of people who want the other three castles with sound, so I look forward to body swapping.
Quote from: Skyline2uk on March 02, 2016, 08:15:59 AM
Ah the agony of choice!
I thought the DCC first Castle would remove an option for my next purchase, but seeing the non-DCC ones puts that choice right back.
Have fancied a "Rule 1" steam loco for a while, Castles being my favourite.
Ah, if there are some non-DCC ones that's much better, somewhere I got the impression the DCC/sound one was the only option. I have a plan which might well involve a Castle in a vaguely prototypical way, but haven't done much research yet. Not going to throw my toys out of the pram if the exact model I "need" isn't available though.
Quote from: railsquid on March 02, 2016, 10:56:00 AM
Ah, if there are some non-DCC ones that's much better, somewhere I got the impression the DCC/sound one was the only option. I have a plan which might well involve a Castle in a vaguely prototypical way, but haven't done much research yet. Not going to throw my toys out of the pram if the exact model I "need" isn't available though.
Same here. Whilst I like the look on Nunney Castle, a regular DC early-crest Castle will be fine for me.
Quote from: 47845 on March 02, 2016, 12:09:52 AM
Quote from: bluedepot on March 01, 2016, 10:47:25 PM
What do the night mail and day at the races train sets comprise of??? anyone know?
Night Mail: 47522 Doncaster Enterprise, Parcels BG, Parcels POS
Races: Green 3mt, 3x green horseboxes
Personally I want to shrink the two 00 sets. Especially the military set
47522...same body as 47535 (flush headcode both ends). Will it be in the apple green livery? I think an OO special edition was produced of it in this condition. Just outside my time period, being outshopped in October 87 :-\
But would be tempting...
Cheers
Paul
I don't like that moss green livery so hoping it will be res livery as no new tooling 47 in that livery yet. not sure if 47522 was ever in res though.
it would seem daft to have it in parcels red and grey as already a 47 47474 done. that green livery is not v common or attractive or popular(???) so would be an odd choice for a train set.
Tim
Pictures on Gas Cupboard Facebook page show new Farish set with parcels Green 47.
Skyline2uk
Thinking 319, this morning I saw one, in London Midland livery, coming over the level crossing at North Watford halt on the Abbey Flier line. I live less than 10 minutes walk from it and had not noticed they were no longer using the 321s on that service. So perhaps i could justify one to complement the 350 I bough as a memorial to some 35 years commuting Watford to Euston!
Quote from: Portpatrick on March 02, 2016, 01:50:44 PM
Thinking 319, this morning I saw one, in London Midland livery, coming over the level crossing at North Watford halt on the Abbey Flier line. I live less than 10 minutes walk from it and had not noticed they were no longer using the 321s on that service. So perhaps i could justify one to complement the 350 I bough as a memorial to some 35 years commuting Watford to Euston!
Someone linked to a video of the LM livery set working the St. Albans branch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmIpUBtpSqQ&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmIpUBtpSqQ&feature=youtu.be)
A plain white liveried one turns up in some of the videos too.
So who will commission the LM livery?
I suspect the LM livery appeared a little too recently to fit into Bachmann's plans but I agree it would make a lovely commission to accompany the forthcoming Revolution 321, Pendolino, Farish 350 and Electra 323.
Quote from: captainelectra on March 02, 2016, 02:06:23 PM
I suspect the LM livery appeared a little too recently to fit into Bachmann's plans but I agree it would make a lovely commission to accompany the forthcoming Revolution 321, Pendolino, Farish 350 and Electra 323.
Over to you for some nice overlays, Adam!!?
Quote from: talisman56 on March 02, 2016, 08:26:57 AM
Why couldn't they have done that with the older 2EPB instead of, or even together with, the brand new tooling 319, which doesn't 'go' with the existing EMU stock available from the same stable (4CEP)? I could have a few 2EPBs, and even try bashing a pair into a 4EPB...
I agree. An EPB would have made good sense. Even a refurbished 4 CEP. But a 319?
Will the RTC livery class 24 be just a continuation of the Modelzone ltd edition or something "new"?
Quote from: BramptonBranch on March 02, 2016, 09:27:41 PM
Will the RTC livery class 24 be just a continuation of the Modelzone ltd edition or something "new"?
It looks like a weathered version of the original with the painted name.
The 319 is probably the best choice of 2nd Generation EMUs due to its go-anywhere nature and is a welcome, if surprising release. I'm really surprised that a 2-EPB or other SR Slammer hasn't appeared to follow up the CEP, which has been a success.
There is going to be more announcements later in the year according to chinese whispers.. :)
Cheers
Mark
While I see peoples points about another EMU rather than the 319.
I may be bias as well I am from Manchester originally and model the Northwest modern era, but when you think about it the 319 is a shrewd move. Can be ran on 3rd Rail layouts and OHL layout, covers a good area and well 26 years.
Then you can put it against a good number of models it compliments for the West Coast you have the 350, Pendolino and the forth coming 320/321 sets. Then for the southern link you have the Kato Eurostar which well the 319s beat through the tunnel with one of the first passenger runs though the tunnel!
Bachmann could be taking the gamble on EMUs with the interest in the Revolution models which is surprising but very welcome
I can't say I am over impressed with the Castle liveries, I hope the BR versions will use the same colours for green and lining as already exist - the orange lining looks far too garish, and the greens look a little too blue, especially for the GW version and the brass has not been picked out on the cab side window. when compared to the 64xx which looks great in both GW and BR greens, I can only hope that this is their first try - must do better as the school report used to say.
Regards,
Alex
Quote from: acko22 on March 03, 2016, 12:14:56 AM
While I see peoples points about another EMU rather than the 319.
I may be bias as well I am from Manchester originally and model the Northwest modern era, but when you think about it the 319 is a shrewd move. Can be ran on 3rd Rail layouts and OHL layout, covers a good area
All the way to France (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_319#Notable_units), even ;)
It's also slightly strange the NSE liveried 08 is 'Ivor' as that particular loco has already been done in RTC livery. Was it the only 08 in NSE? I didn't think so, but perhaps I'm wrong.
On the up side, perhaps Bachmann will start producing some more RTC vehicles that previously were Modelzone specials. Invicta already have a new one from them, but the previous Modelzone ones go for silly money on eBay. Of course you can always use Electra vinyls to run your own RTC vehicles for just a few quid!
Cheers, NeMo
Quote from: BramptonBranch on March 02, 2016, 09:27:41 PM
Will the RTC livery class 24 be just a continuation of the Modelzone ltd edition or something "new"?
My view is that the castle liveries are computer drawn on to the image. Look how far out the lining is in places. I don't think we need to worry too much.
Graham
QuoteIt's also slightly strange the NSE liveried 08 is 'Ivor' as that particular loco has already been done in RTC livery. Was it the only 08 in NSE? I didn't think so, but perhaps I'm wrong.
I have been interested in this subject recently and our very own @Tank (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2) has been good enough to educate me.
Will let him add more details if he wishes, but no, there were 2 08s and an 09 in NSE. Ivor in "older" NSE, 08641 in the "newer" NSE and the 09 in plain NSE blue.
Interesting to compare the Bachman sample picture of NSE Ivor with the Mercig studios one. Cranks on the Bachman one are picked out in yellow, plus some other differences.
Skyline2uk
Quote from: acko22 on March 03, 2016, 12:14:56 AM
.............. Then for the southern link you have the Kato Eurostar which well the 319s beat through the tunnel with one of the first passenger runs though the tunnel!...............................
Actually it only ran into the tunnel for evacuation tests and came back out again the same way. It looked very odd with it's pantograph extended as far as it would go.
Quote from: NeMo on March 03, 2016, 06:48:09 AM
It's also slightly strange the NSE liveried 08 is 'Ivor' as that particular loco has already been done in RTC livery. Was it the only 08 in NSE? I didn't think so, but perhaps I'm wrong.
Here is a list that I've compiled. I've never seen a list elsewhere on the net or in books:-
97 800 - Original Livery 'Ivor'
09 025 - BR Blue with NSE Flashes 'Victory'
08 631 - Revised Livery 'Eagle'
08 641 - Revised Livery 'Dartmoor'
08 956 - BR Blue with NSE Flashes 'Woofy'
Quote from: Skyline2uk on March 03, 2016, 07:45:25 AM
Interesting to compare the Bachman sample picture of NSE Ivor with the Mercig studios one. Cranks on the Bachman one are picked out in yellow, plus some other differences.
Skyline2uk
That's my baby! The biggest error seems to be a grey roof, rather than black. :no: I'll change that in the future. And the cranks were yellow on the prototype, so I'll touch those in at some point as well. A great job on the repaint otherwise.
Quote from: Hailstone on March 03, 2016, 01:17:52 AM
I can't say I am over impressed with the Castle liveries, I hope the BR versions will use the same colours for green and lining as already exist - the orange lining looks far too garish, and the greens look a little too blue, especially for the GW version and the brass has not been picked out on the cab side window. when compared to the 64xx which looks great in both GW and BR greens, I can only hope that this is their first try - must do better as the school report used to say.
I haven't seen any pictures of decorated samples of the Castles yet. Do you have a link please?
:photospleasesign:
Quote from: Karhedron on March 03, 2016, 10:48:54 AM
Quote from: Hailstone on March 03, 2016, 01:17:52 AM
I can't say I am over impressed with the Castle liveries, I hope the BR versions will use the same colours for green and lining as already exist - the orange lining looks far too garish, and the greens look a little too blue, especially for the GW version and the brass has not been picked out on the cab side window. when compared to the 64xx which looks great in both GW and BR greens, I can only hope that this is their first try - must do better as the school report used to say.
I haven't seen any pictures of decorated samples of the Castles yet. Do you have a link please?
:photospleasesign:
I can only think the references were made about the pics on the Farish website.............
http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=2 (http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=2)
If you check out what is supposedly due in the next 60 days there's some expense on the horizon for some of us (I have the Royal scot on pre order)
http://www.bachmann.co.uk/new_arrivals.php?prod_selected=1 (http://www.bachmann.co.uk/new_arrivals.php?prod_selected=1)
The 4MT standard tank and the Bullied 3-set, at least, for me... Just going to chase after my wallet, it's running for the hills!
Quote from: NeMo on March 03, 2016, 06:48:09 AM
It's also slightly strange the NSE liveried 08 is 'Ivor' as that particular loco has already been done in RTC livery. Was it the only 08 in NSE? I didn't think so, but perhaps I'm wrong.
On the up side, perhaps Bachmann will start producing some more RTC vehicles that previously were Modelzone specials. Invicta already have a new one from them, but the previous Modelzone ones go for silly money on eBay. Of course you can always use Electra vinyls to run your own RTC vehicles for just a few quid!
Cheers, NeMo
Quote from: BramptonBranch on March 02, 2016, 09:27:41 PM
Will the RTC livery class 24 be just a continuation of the Modelzone ltd edition or something "new"?
374-043 BR Mk1 BG Full Brake 'Laboratory 23' RTC Livery Weathered
374-195 BR Mk1 BSK Brake Second Corridor 'Laboratory 12' RTC Weathered
both are the same as the modelzone ltd editions apart from been weathered
Looking forward to getting a 4MT. Wanted one since I was a child.
Question: why is the 4MT the only loco that has the Blue Riband sticker?
http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=2# (http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=2#)
QuoteThat's my baby! The biggest error seems to be a grey roof, rather than black. :no: I'll change that in the future. And the cranks were yellow on the prototype, so I'll touch those in at some point as well. A great job on the repaint otherwise.
Don't know mate, she may have had black roof to start with, but a quick canter around Google and Flicker shows several photos with a distinctly faded roof, especially cab area. Plus those yellow cranks clearly got filthy.
Anyway, it's your call, as you say, "your baby" :D
Skyline2uk
Quote from: Karhedron on March 03, 2016, 10:48:54 AM
Quote from: Hailstone on March 03, 2016, 01:17:52 AM
I can't say I am over impressed with the Castle liveries, I hope the BR versions will use the same colours for green and lining as already exist - the orange lining looks far too garish, and the greens look a little too blue, especially for the GW version and the brass has not been picked out on the cab side window. when compared to the 64xx which looks great in both GW and BR greens, I can only hope that this is their first try - must do better as the school report used to say.
I haven't seen any pictures of decorated samples of the Castles yet. Do you have a link please?
:photospleasesign:
I am going by the pictures on the Farish website as Mick surmised.
Regards,
Alex
Quote from: RichardBattersby on March 03, 2016, 11:45:59 AM
Looking forward to getting a 4MT. Wanted one since I was a child.
Question: why is the 4MT the only loco that has the Blue Riband sticker?
http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=2# (http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=2#)
Dunno - I thought Farish had done away with the Blue Riband labels ???
Quote from: newportnobby on March 03, 2016, 03:10:41 PM
Quote from: RichardBattersby on March 03, 2016, 11:45:59 AM
Looking forward to getting a 4MT. Wanted one since I was a child.
Question: why is the 4MT the only loco that has the Blue Riband sticker?
http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=2# (http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=2#)
Dunno - I thought Farish had done away with the Blue Riband labels ???
Maybe because it crossed the Atlantic at an unsurpassed rate of knots?
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Quote from: RichardBattersby on March 03, 2016, 11:45:59 AM
Looking forward to getting a 4MT. Wanted one since I was a child.
Question: why is the 4MT the only loco that has the Blue Riband sticker?
http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=2# (http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=2#)
To distinguish it from the previous non-Blue Riband item?
I think that the 4MT tanks have been labelled as blue riband as they are the last of the original Farish locos to be retooled, (all of the others had dropped off the list before) just to make it clear they are not a reissue of the old mech
Regards,
Alex
Quote from: trkilliman on March 01, 2016, 10:48:26 PM
Newportnobby said... Time was I'd have purchased the latest issues of the green class 24, 25 and 37 in addition to those I already have, along with a nice green 'City of Edinburgh' and the late crest Ivatt 2MT but sadly unexpected expenses on the home front and the anticipated release prices of these locos means none of them will be bought.
He very likely speaks for many of us. Some say we must get used to/accept these higher prices. However the level of increase and year on year rises are bound to either freeze some people out of buying, or to a varying degree curtail their level of purchases.
As I said in a post some weeks back, I'm glad I purchased so much prior to the ongoing price increases. I have become focussed on my "round to it" drawers, taking a fresh look at those projects not started, or half finished.
Not only the price increases, but the fact that most of the reliveries are of toolings which have been used in that livery before, the only change is the number. I'd have bought a couple of blue 20s, but they're the same headcode box tooling as the last blue 20, of which I've already renumbered as many as I'll ever need (probably 2 too many to be honest). The disc indicator models haven't been done in clean blue yet, the additional LMR branding and hideous factory weathering on the one blue disc variant make a renumber job pretty much on par with carrying out a full repaint. Likewise the 25, I've renumbered what I'll need so have no interest in another run. The first run can still easily be found for sale, so I really do question a second release so soon. A BSYE rat might have caught my attention. I sold off my 37's as I had too many, but at least that one hasn't been available for a few years in that configuration, I might be tempted there...maybe.
The 319 is a curious one. It'll please a fair few modellers, and continues to fly the flag for OHLE units which hopefully will one day lead to a unit I'd be willing to buy. I fear it'll just serve to 'prove' that OHLE doesn't sell, there is the precedent set by the 350. A model which also pleased a few modellers when it arrived, and years on the first run still languishes in the bargain bins discounted by as much as £70. I hope the 319 sells well, but I think a small 3rd rail unit like the 2EPB or 2HAP or even the MLV would have served better (not interested in any of these, just to clarify).
I would have hoped to see the shrink ray passed over the dukedog, S & D 7F and GC 04 (Western version for Me!) with perhaps the Modified hall, BR Std 4 4-6-0, Wainright C and E4 to follow.
others that I would happily purchase are the LMS Crab, Stanier mogul, LNER K3, GWR 94xx, 66xx & City, and LBSCR H2 Atlantic. a lot of locos, I know, but given the rate that they currently come out, I would be getting my telegram from the Queen by the time I complete this list.
Regards,
Alex
Guys
Overall a bit of a miss from Farish for me would liked to have seen some re-liveries the good is the Regional Rail 37/4 and coaches
Why another parcels set when there was one with the class 24 a few years ago
Mk2's in the Highland Green Livery like the OO set or this set released in N
Mk2's in Regional Rail/Scotrail
Class 37/4 in Transrail or Scotrail
The OTA timber wagon it shares the same underframe as VBA OCA etc and would be very popular
Dave
Don't forget that the 319 is also a DC unit and has worked all over the Central division from Victoria as well as Thameslink services. They've been around thirty years, give or take, making this probably one of the best EMUs that Farish could have chosen.
On the subject of Ivor the 08, here's a couple of pictures of the Modelzone OO commission from a few years back (wrong scale but too nice to resist!).
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/t31.0-8/12794916_10153460646921033_672727953841107771_o.jpg)
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/12783769_10153460647061033_251033679311693218_o.jpg)
Black roof, yellow cranks :D
Looks like the Farish site has gone tits up. :'(
Quote from: Snowwolflair on March 04, 2016, 12:34:49 PM
Looks like the Farish site has gone tits up. :'(
Swamped by demand from latent EMU enthusiasts! ;)
I just noticed that the seem to have abandoned the TPO stowage van as well - Shame, but I had already made 4, including a guard/stowage van using Robbie's rolling stock vinyls on old style Chinese MK1's, so I am not too disappointed.
Regards,
Alex
I don't think the stowage van was ever mentioned in N gauge. I think it was just wish-listed as they are doing a 00 version. But since this is still listed as being in the drawing office, I think it is a way off still with any shrink-rayed version further off still (if it happens at all).
Matt, do you have any idea why they seem to have abandoned Br Chocolate and cream MK1's, and did any RU's actually get painted in this livery? (I think that the GWR dining sets lasted for quite a while, maybe this is the reason, can you confirm this?)
Regards,
Alex
Hi Alex,
Yes, the GWR catering vehicles did indeed hang on quite a long time. Many were refurbished just after the war and as such were probably in quite good condition. A mix were painted in WR chocolate and cream for use in crack expresses making them the only non-Mk1 vehicles to carry this livery in BR days.
The WR did eventually start to receive Mk1 catering stock and some of it received chocolate and cream. I don't remember the exact date but 1961 rings a vague bell. Mk1 catering vehicles painted in choc and cream included one RF, one RSO, five RBs and 16 RUs. The RU would in fact make an ideal vehicle for choc and cream livery so I am not sure why Farish have not offered this.
Their other catering vehicle (the RMB) never received chocolate and cream livery. At a guess I would imagine that these were not intended for use on the principle express services where the choc'n'cream stock was allocated.
Robert Carroll did a good article on the subject appeared in issue 100 of Model Rail.
I voted for TPO stock/stowage vans on the wish list, and have also mentioned them in the past as a possible NGS commision. I have to wonder if it is known that Farish intend to produce these at some stage so the NGS have not pursued them?
Hello Trillikman,
The NGS has had no conversations with Bachmann to my knowledge about an RTR stowage van.
We are in very early discussions with them about another RTR model to follow the Thompson BG, and our current plan is to announce this model at the AGM.
cheers
Ben A. (NGS VP)
Do you have any additional information about the new SWT livery 3 car Class 170/3? Is it a new model or just the old one?
As I checked the site of Graham Farish, the RRP is almost 170 GBP that seems to me really overpriced if the model is the old one without ligths, DCC.
If Farish are re-issuing the SWT 170, it will only be as a 2-car set. SWT only had a few 2-car units for s short period before they were deployed elsewhere.
Bit of an odd choice, really - I would have thought the new Chiltern or Transpennine liveries would have been a better bet.
Having seen the list - Bah Humbug :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
No SWT class 450 Desiro :'( - which should be easy for them to do (and they should have made it in the first place as there were more 450s on the Big Railway then 350s)
At 170 SWT Turbostar when I want a class 159 Southwestern Turbo :'( (which is three car - perhaps they made a mistake and meant it to be 159 and not the 170). They used to make a SWT 159.
No Southern Electrostar :'( - which is a probably a bit harder for them to do.
In their defence the 350 has a larger geographical spread, and more stable (depot?) fellows. Total number isn't really the point.
Agree the Turbostar sounds hideously overpriced, even if it's DCC ready it'll still have no lights, lots of printed detail etc. Considering 350s are widely available for £100 from the usual sources.
Whilst I welcome the 319 being produced, there aren't many *3rd rail equipped routes* where they operate as the predominant or sole class of unit.
Apart from Farringdon-Blackfriars, I can only think of these :
- Sutton loop between Streatham via Mitcham and Sutton where the majority of the services are run by 319s.
- Clapham Junction-AC/DC changeover point just north of Kensington Olympia on Watford Junction/Milton Keynes services (until replaced by Electrostars)
I wonder who will be the first to reproduce the platforms on the old Kings Cross Thameslink station that had walls of mirrors installed when they were refurbished in 1988 for the new Thameslink services.
I'm saving up for one of these:
Class 20 20227 ( LT)
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Quote from: Railwaygun on March 06, 2016, 11:04:13 PM
I'm saving up for one of these:
Class 20 20227 ( LT)
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and im saving for a pair of these 8)
Quote from: Snowwolflair on March 06, 2016, 11:08:30 PM
and im saving for a pair of these 8)
No, save those for when Farish release the 319 in this livery. :P
(http://www.networksoutheast.net/uploads/3/5/5/9/3559064/8322272_orig.jpg)
My wallet is safe for another year, as non of the announced releases tempt me in the slightest :'(
Quote from: Karhedron on March 07, 2016, 08:50:14 AM
Quote from: Snowwolflair on March 06, 2016, 11:08:30 PM
and im saving for a pair of these 8)
No, save those for when Farish release the 319 in this livery. :P
(http://www.networksoutheast.net/uploads/3/5/5/9/3559064/8322272_orig.jpg)
Jeez - that puts a whole new meaning to 'multi coloured worms' :sick2:
Quote from: Snowwolflair on April 24, 2016, 12:46:01 AM
This is looking more like a Hattons problem rather than a Farish problem.
Could a Moderator look at this now, possibly tidy or split this topic
I was about to reply that I am shocked that Farish are messing up with announcements, but if it is specific to Hattons then that is a different issue
Hi Guys
Ive had it confirmed that all items announced will be produced so this looks like a Hattons problem. It would be very odd to dump stuff this early on considering its only been six weeks since the announcement and also some of the 2016 range was in production when it was announced.
Richard
Quote from: mjkerr on April 24, 2016, 08:43:35 AM
Quote from: Snowwolflair on April 24, 2016, 12:46:01 AM
This is looking more like a Hattons problem rather than a Farish problem.
Could a Moderator look at this now, possibly tidy or split this topic
I was about to reply that I am shocked that Farish are messing up with announcements, but if it is specific to Hattons then that is a different issue
Totally agree with this. When it's been established who is doing what, could it be 'sorted' such that the other party is not shown in a bad light?
I've had a go at separating out the posts that I think are to do with Hattons. Please PM me if any are wrong.
Link to new topic (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=32881.msg378660#msg378660)
Quote from: captainelectra on March 02, 2016, 02:06:23 PM
I suspect the LM livery appeared a little too recently to fit into Bachmann's plans but I agree it would make a lovely commission to accompany the forthcoming Revolution 321, Pendolino, Farish 350 and Electra 323.
With the London Midland franchise now extended to October 2017, hopefully one day we will see the Farish Class 319 in London Midland colours. Significant joined up thinking needed though.
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What do the night mail and day at the races train sets comprise of??? anyone know?
Night Mail: 47522 Doncaster Enterprise, Parcels BG, Parcels POS
Races: Green 3mt, 3x green horseboxes
Personally I want to shrink the two 00 sets. Especially the military set
47522...same body as 47535 (flush headcode both ends). Will it be in the apple green livery? I think an OO special edition was produced of it in this condition. Just outside my time period, being outshopped in October 87 :-\
But would be tempting...
Cheers
Paul
47522 was always on my hit list for locos to create, but as usual I have no use for the 'set' not even the TPO carriages :( I guess I can try and sell but it's a lot for a loco.
Well, after 18 months, looks like the 'Birdcage' stock has finally broken cover...
EPs in the display cabinet at TINGS (click image to enlarge)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/2626-120917154156-555692347.jpeg)
IIRC, they'll be available in SECR Wellington Brown and BR Crimson, neatly sidestepping the 'challenge' of lined Olive Green, so they can be run alongside the similarly-liveried Dapol Maunsells - bummer!
A pity, as from the pictures I've seen, the 'Orribly Oversized' lined Green coaches look superb...
Thanks for the picture, they look good.
According to the Farish website they will be available in SECR, BR and Southern Railway liveries :claphappy:
http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=3 (http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=3)
Quote from: fergy1 on September 13, 2017, 07:55:20 AM
Thanks for the picture, they look good.
According to the Farish website they will be available in SECR, BR and Southern Railway liveries :claphappy:
http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=3 (http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=3)
Great! That's changed then - for the good. Thanks
Quote from: fergy1 on September 13, 2017, 07:55:20 AM
According to the Farish website they will be available in SECR, BR and Southern Railway liveries :claphappy:
http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=3 (http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=3)
Thanks, that's good to know. I suppose it makes sense since they offer the N Class mogul in this livery.
Quote from: Karhedron on September 13, 2017, 09:03:18 AM
Quote from: fergy1 on September 13, 2017, 07:55:20 AM
According to the Farish website they will be available in SECR, BR and Southern Railway liveries :claphappy:
http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=3 (http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=3)
Thanks, that's good to know. I suppose it makes sense since they offer the N Class mogul in this livery.
I'd have thought they were aimed fairly and squarely at the forthcoming 'C' class :hmmm: