Just had notification from ehattons that Dapol J72 has been cancelled. Guess I will have to go for the Farish version. :beers:
Quote from: austinbob on February 22, 2016, 12:22:15 PM
Just had notification from ehattons that Dapol J72 has been cancelled. Guess I will have to go for the Farish version. :beers:
Me too :( was hoping for both! Glad I got them to check now :)
To be fair the Dapol version has been cancelled since September so it's a surprise that it's taken this long for hattons to update the website.
Alistair
Didn't know this thanks. My only worry with the Farish version is the shade of green on the OO picture they're using. I have no idea if prototypical but don't like it.
Quote from: RichardBattersby on February 25, 2016, 12:25:05 PM
Didn't know this thanks. My only worry with the Farish version is the shade of green on the OO picture they're using. I have no idea if prototypical but don't like it.
I'm going for the BR black version with late crest.
:beers:
I may have to do the same!
Quote from: alibuchan on February 23, 2016, 12:26:24 AM
To be fair the Dapol version has been cancelled since September so it's a surprise that it's taken this long for hattons to update the website.
Alistair
To be fair, I don't think Dapol spent a lot of time advertising its withdrawl. The reason they took it down now is I emailed and had them check with Dapol directly. I also got, in addition to the cancellation email, a personal message from Ben Ashwin (who is very highly recommended by me for service at Hattons) apologizing for the mistake and for the delay in checking, which was only about five days; I had told him there was absolutely no hurry in checking and they have a huge volume of correspondence daily, so I thought the fact that he had remembered my message and bothered to send a personal message, knowing I would get the preorder cancelation email anyway, was very kind.
Quote from: RichardBattersby on February 25, 2016, 12:25:05 PM
Didn't know this thanks. My only worry with the Farish version is the shade of green on the OO picture they're using. I have no idea if prototypical but don't like it.
If you're referring to the one in light (LNER) green with BR markings, it was prototypical. There were two painted like that for use as the York and Newcastle Station Pilots.
Hmmm - which of these 2 will be done ? Will have to get one :D
Quote from: PLD on February 25, 2016, 01:01:55 PM
Quote from: RichardBattersby on February 25, 2016, 12:25:05 PM
Didn't know this thanks. My only worry with the Farish version is the shade of green on the OO picture they're using. I have no idea if prototypical but don't like it.
If you're referring to the one in light (LNER) green with BR markings, it was prototypical. There were two painted like that for use as the York and Newcastle Station Pilots.
Thanks for that, it makes me feel slightly better. Were many locos painted that light LNER green? Or was it specific to that class? I don't remember seeing any in preservation that colour. That's why I love this forum, there's always someone happy to help the beginners like me. I wish my knowledge of all things railways was better.
Quote from: RichardBattersby on February 25, 2016, 02:39:18 PM
Thanks for that, it makes me feel slightly better. Were many locos painted that light LNER green? Or was it specific to that class? I don't remember seeing any in preservation that colour. That's why I love this forum, there's always someone happy to help the beginners like me. I wish my knowledge of all things railways was better.
In LNER days, plenty!
In BR days, something similar was one of the 1948 experimental liveries applied to various locos including a couple of LMS Jubilees and I think something GW.
Later on there the two 72s as mentioned plus I think it was an N-something for Pilot duties at one of the London termini.
Joem, a preserved J72, wears a BR livery that appears to be LNER green, or something similar: (http://www.peterboggis.co.uk/NNR_Archive/Joem_IM_01.jpg)
Original image location: http://www.peterboggis.co.uk/NNR_Archive/Joem_IM_01.jpg (http://www.peterboggis.co.uk/NNR_Archive/Joem_IM_01.jpg)
I've seen Joem a few times and would love for it to be produced as she is in preservation. As far as I am aware that colour is LNER Apple green? Which looks to be a very different colour from the other colour. Joem seems to have the same colour as worn by Tornado and Scotsman.
Very happy to be corrected as I have said above I only have limited knowledge. :)
The Liverpool St pilot, J69 E8619 lettered 'BRITISH RALWAYS' was in LNER green from 1/1948 to 6/1953. It then had a spell in black before becoming GER blue. The other pilot, N7 69614, was not repainted green but was lined black throughout, I think.
Martyn
Quote from: N-Gauge-US on February 25, 2016, 05:46:34 PM
Joem, a preserved J72, wears a BR livery that appears to be LNER green, or something similar: (http://www.peterboggis.co.uk/NNR_Archive/Joem_IM_01.jpg)
Original image location: http://www.peterboggis.co.uk/NNR_Archive/Joem_IM_01.jpg (http://www.peterboggis.co.uk/NNR_Archive/Joem_IM_01.jpg)
That is a very pretty loco but I'll make do with my Black BR late crest :'( :'( :beers:
Quote from: RichardBattersby on February 25, 2016, 06:10:17 PM
I've seen Joem a few times and would love for it to be produced as she is in preservation. As far as I am aware that colour is LNER Apple green? Which looks to be a very different colour from the other colour. Joem seems to have the same colour as worn by Tornado and Scotsman.
Very happy to be corrected as I have said above I only have limited knowledge. :)
That's NER green (not LNER apple green) on 69023, as applied about 1960 (until they were withdrawn in 1961) to 68723 and 68736 as station pilot livery, at Newcastle and York respectively, by British Railways, hence the combination of BR and NER crests. 69023 is still wearing this livery as it undergoes Winter maintenance at Hopetown Works in Darlington in February 2016. The "Joem" nameplate is fixed inside the cab on the rear of the spectacle plate.
The LNER had earlier applied special lined black station pilot livery to 2313 and 1720 in 1937 until 1940. 1720 (by then 8680) was painted in LNER lined green in 1947. In 1949 this was changed to show the early BR emblem on 68680, instead of "LNER" and changed again in 1952 to BR mixed traffic lined black with the early emblem. Finally, from 1957 the emblem was changed to the later BR version, until 1959, when the livery changed to plain black.
I'd also like to see a model of 69023 in current livery.
Source - RCTS Part 8B.
PS I don't think the picture of 8680 on the Farish website is necessarily how the model will appear - this is an older OO gauge model - it certainly doesn't resemble LNER apple green, whereas A.H. Peppercorn does look right.
Regards,
Roy
Quote from: R Marshall on February 25, 2016, 07:43:23 PM
Quote from: RichardBattersby on February 25, 2016, 06:10:17 PM
I've seen Joem a few times and would love for it to be produced as she is in preservation. As far as I am aware that colour is LNER Apple green? Which looks to be a very different colour from the other colour. Joem seems to have the same colour as worn by Tornado and Scotsman.
Very happy to be corrected as I have said above I only have limited knowledge. :)
That's NER green (not LNER apple green) on 69023, as applied about 1960 (until they were withdrawn in 1961) to 68723 and 68736 as station pilot livery, at Newcastle and York respectively, by British Railways, hence the combination of BR and NER crests. 69023 is still wearing this livery as it undergoes Winter maintenance at Hopetown Works in Darlington in February 2016. The "Joem" nameplate is fixed inside the cab on the rear of the spectacle plate.
The LNER had earlier applied special lined black station pilot livery to 2313 and 1720 in 1937 until 1940. 1720 (by then 8680) was painted in LNER lined green in 1947. In 1949 this was changed to show the early BR emblem on 68680, instead of "LNER" and changed again in 1952 to BR mixed traffic lined black with the early emblem. Finally, from 1957 the emblem was changed to the later BR version, until 1959, when the livery changed to plain black.
I'd also like to see a model of 69023 in current livery.
Source - RCTS Part 8B.
PS I don't think the picture of 8680 on the Farish website is necessarily how the model will appear - this is an older OO gauge model - it certainly doesn't resemble LNER apple green, whereas A.H. Peppercorn does look right.
Regards,
Roy
Thank you Roy!!! That is some excellent information :)
Very helpful, thanks Roy :thankyousign:
Given today's progress report from Bachmann stating that CAD for the Farish J72 hasn't started yet one is almost tempted to think that Dapol could have got theirs to market at least 6 months ahead of Farish if it hadn't been quietly dropped.
Les
The problem is we don't really know at what stage Dapol were at before they cancelled. Would they have cancelled if they were really that far forward with it? Where would their cut of have been? Cad complete? EP produced?......Difficult to say without knowing that, really.
Quote from: ScottyStitch on March 01, 2016, 10:55:46 PM
The problem is we don't really know at what stage Dapol were at before they cancelled. Would they have cancelled if they were really that far forward with it? Where would their cut of have been? Cad complete? EP produced?......Difficult to say without knowing that, really.
Research was done and ready to go to CAD according to either Joel or Richard (I talked to both). Pulled as Farish announced theirs. By now would have been ready for tooling and waiting for test results on Bulleid Pacific motor before OK given. By my reckoning about 6 months ahead of Farish- though Farish may have shoved theirs to the back of the queue once it became clear Dapol weren't going to proceed.
Farish have previous on this- look how many years elapsed between Dapol pulling their 2MT because Farish had announced one, and Farish coming up with the goods.
Les
Quote from: Les1952 on March 01, 2016, 11:27:40 PM
Quote from: ScottyStitch on March 01, 2016, 10:55:46 PM
The problem is we don't really know at what stage Dapol were at before they cancelled. Would they have cancelled if they were really that far forward with it? Where would their cut of have been? Cad complete? EP produced?......Difficult to say without knowing that, really.
Research was done and ready to go to CAD according to either Joel or Richard (I talked to both). Pulled as Farish announced theirs. By now would have been ready for tooling and waiting for test results on Bulleid Pacific motor before OK given. By my reckoning about 6 months ahead of Farish- though Farish may have shoved theirs to the back of the queue once it became clear Dapol weren't going to proceed.
Farish have previous on this- look how many years elapsed between Dapol pulling their 2MT because Farish had announced one, and Farish coming up with the goods.
Les
I was very frustrated to see that the J72 was no nearer to market than before. Especially since there seem to be very few steam offerings (maybe the train sets will be different but I can't tell what is to be in them!). All in all I was pretty disappointed by the announments and the lack of J72 progress was the sourest note. Your comments seem very plausible, sadly, and only add to my frustration as I would really have preferred an NER liveried one anyway.... I don't usually go Dapol over Farish, but in this case, I wish Dapol had had the stones to push forward.