Hi being a non rail expert this may be a very rookie question but here goes. I have seen freight trains averaging around 21 tank wagons or so long, is it possible for say my farish 37 to pull a train of 21 four axle tank wagons or sealion hoppers assuming i had the money to buy 21 wagons.
Dave
Should be no problem at all, i regularly run 32 pga wagons, 4 wheel hopper, train behind a farish class 56 and they are basically the same chassis.
Stu
I have two Farish 37s, one new one and one old Poole one. Either can pull a lot. The new 37 is currently pulling a dummy 37 and about 8 feet of wagons (mixture of 4-axle bogie wagons, coal trucks and china clay 4-axle tankers). This includes coping admirably with 1:38 gradients. :thumbsup:
thanks that helps all i need do is save for a rake of wagons. Is there any way i can find out what wagons make up a train types etc so i can work out what i'd like to buy.
Dave
Hi Dave - try this
http://www.igg.org.uk/gansg/index.htm#apps (http://www.igg.org.uk/gansg/index.htm#apps)
plenty to read there thanks.
Dave
I have run a mixed rake of tank and hoppers behind my Dapol class 58 and Farish class 37.Both looked capable of pulling more than they were and went up my inclines without any slippage.I currently have 19 tank wagons and 15 haa hoppers.
Generally speaking,I used to see class 56's pull around 31 hoppers and class 37's pulling around 25 tanks.This was a few years ago,so now we do see class 66's pulling 30 mineral wagons or 20 bogie hoppers.I will have to count them next time I see them to confirm but I reckon my estimate is about right.
Pete
the issue is more storage than what the loco can actually pull....
for example, i can only fit in 7 or 8 coaches or 20 hoppers in my fiddle yard lanes, so that's my limit... i'd like longer trains, but compared to OO of course these length trains are very good and look pretty realistic.
tim
Tim is quite correct on the issue of length, the farish 56 and 32 pga`s, that we run on saneham tey, take up the best part of 10 feet, it does look really good when its running but takes up an awful lot of space.
Stu
Has anyone noticed that a scale length N gauge train looks much longer than the real thing ?
I think that there is possibly some science behind this question, would love to know the answer... ;D
I had to extend the outer 2 storage yards in both directions in order to accept full 8 coach rake plus hst power cars and long freight trains.I now have storage for full east coast mainline hst's and loco and 24 wagon formations of tta's/haa's.
On the inner roads,I have a deltic with a seven coach formation in both directions,a deltic prototype with a six coach blood and custard formation,a class 47 mail train and on the innermost roads,I have two and three car dmu's in isolated sections.
Sometimes the yard movements can be a little confusing if I'm running an intense session,with some kind of problem,albeit a train running into the wrong road or two sets running together due to me not changing all the right points to prevent this.
I'm going to have to get the fiddle yard point motors wired into my control panel so I can change two points at once so tje.points are set for that road as opposed to forgetting one point and all sorts of stuff setting off.
I try and run an intense session once a week so you'd think I would have this sussed,but no,I usually get something wrong.Still,at least all my stock gets a run out every week.
Trouble is,I want to start on the planning of the scenics but just keep getting distracted by the playability and get nothing done.I need to make up boards for the upper scenic areas at the sides and back over the fiddle/storage yards in order to plant some metcalfe houses and shops and stuff I need to build.I already have one terraced house block,two semi's,a corner shop and pub and a low relief terraced block.
I need to go and get me finger out.
:NGaugersRule:
Pete
I can confirm the modern bogie hoppers load to 20+, exact length differs between runs. For a while they ran double sets with two locos to save paths on the ECML during WCML closures. Network Rail plans to upgrade the key intermodal routes for 775m trains, which would be over five metres long in N gauge!
Quote from: bbdave on December 20, 2011, 08:27:37 PMis it possible for say my farish 37 to pull a train of 21 four axle tank wagons or sealion hoppers assuming i had the money to buy 21 wagons
Whilst your model motor (Class 37 loco) will cope with all those wagons, in reality a Class 37 would not really cope with so many sealion hoppers
Unloaded that would be fine, but loaded that would be extremely heavy and a pair of Class 37 would be required
A single Class 37 would be able to cope with about 16 sealion wagons at the most
I have a rake of 36 Farish HAAs, which can be handled with ease by the dapol 58, Farish (Poole) 56 or Bach/Far 60. All this on a layout with a 1/40 gradient. The 4-wheelers are fairly light and easy to haul...it gets a little more interesting with a rake of 14 Roco Ferrywaggons though!
The Japanese locos are limited by the length of the fiddle yard, as opposed to the train... 25 container flats are easily managed...
im in the process of designing mine. and i went for the 6" rule for rolling stock. meaning that if say a B1 and 7coaches was used the train would be approx 4' length. Its not an exact science but gives a rough solution so you can plan sidings and platforms etc.
Quote from: GWR-Kris on December 21, 2011, 01:26:22 PM
im in the process of designing mine. and i went for the 6" rule for rolling stock
Works fine for most bogie wagons and coaches
However, the OP is also referring to four axle tank wagons, these vary between 3" and 4"
As an example the HAA is actually quite long
A Farish can cope with about 50, although I myself am using rakes of about 35
Quote from: mjkerr on December 21, 2011, 11:11:17 AM
Whilst your model motor (Class 37 loco) will cope with all those wagons, in reality a Class 37 would not really cope with so many sealion hoppers
Unloaded that would be fine, but loaded that would be extremely heavy and a pair of Class 37 would be required
A single Class 37 would be able to cope with about 16 sealion wagons at the most
Ok thanks as i said i'm not up on the real life side of rail so info like this is invaluable i have no idea what a sealion would carry i was bought one and i like the look of it.
Is it ok to mix wagons in a train e.g. tanks and coal? i guess the idea is loads would be left in sidings etc the loco picking up and dropping off?
Dave
Quote from: 4x2 on December 21, 2011, 12:02:56 AM
Has anyone noticed that a scale length N gauge train looks much longer than the real thing ?
I think that there is possibly some science behind this question, would love to know the answer... ;D
I think this is a very important and ogften overlooked point. I think there is one simple rule: 'if it looks right, it is right!'
However, I needto qualify that by saying that it is right for the particular model it is on, and comparing other trains that arealso on the model. Effectively then, all should be in relation to one another and the model, but necessarily the same as the real thing. For example, its OK to have an EWS coal train with sixteen wagons, a class 91 as a 7 + 2 and a 4 car voyager, because they are all in proportion to one another. The voyager is run as the real thing, because a three car one would look wrong.
I'm not sure exactly of the science involved, but its something to do with what we teachers understand as 'innate numerosity'; basically something to do with recognising numbers of objects up to seven without counting if I recall correctly.
Cheers
Kirky
I see... I was thinking it may be a type of optical illusion, but I also agree with the 'if it looks right' theory - Not many people for instance can run a full HST set or MGR train, so there has to be a compromise that still looks 'about right'
I've always thought that any less than 4 coaches just doesn't look right on a mainline train, but that said i also feel that an even number (2,4,6 etc) of coaches also looks wrong... Or am I just being too fussy ? :smiley-laughing:
Quote from: 4x2 on December 21, 2011, 10:00:21 PM
I've always thought that any less than 4 coaches just doesn't look right on a mainline train, but that said i also feel that an even number (2,4,6 etc) of coaches also looks wrong... Or am I just being too fussy ? :smiley-laughing:
Nope, that's not being fussy at all, I agree uneven number of coaches look better. I think that is something that photographers know about, odd numbers of people in portraits look better. If they have even number portraits, they usually group them so the 'evenness' or the symmetry doesn't appear obvious. Of course a four coach Voyager, looks right because we know thats what they look like, but I often like to run mine as supervoayagers and therefore include an extra coach.
Cheers
Kirky
Quote from: bbdave on December 21, 2011, 06:01:40 PM
i have no idea what a sealion would carry i was bought one and i like the look of it.
Is it ok to mix wagons in a train e.g. tanks and coal?
i guess the idea is loads would be left in sidings etc the loco picking up and dropping off?
A sealoin is a ballast wagon (known as departmental)
There are basically two types, the older grey/olive operated under BR and the red operated under EWS
The next issues when mixing wagon types is the different braking systems, operators, and eras
It was very rare to see fuel (tanks) and coal mixed
However there were some HAA wagons on the rear of a weekly speedlink hauled by a Class 87, and this is the only time I have seen coal wagons mixed with other wagon types
Equally, transporting fuel (tanks) is specialist and most such trains only conveyed wagons of the same load type
However other tanks carrying non-flammable loads would easily be mixed with other wagon types
Perhaps you could list the wagon types you currently own, and those that interest you, and the era of interest
We can then advise accordingly
Remember though its your railway, run it as you like, or you can go extreme and make it as realistic as possible
I've always thought that any less than 4 coaches just doesn't look right on a mainline train, but that said i also feel that an even number (2,4,6 etc) of coaches also looks wrong... Or am I just being too fussy ? :smiley-laughing:
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sorry, but 37425 concrete bob pulling 4 regional railways coaches on the cardiff-hollyhead run in the 90`s looked very good :P
thanks, matt
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I have a farish 37 in BR livery at the moment i have one weathered 100t bogie tank wagon an olive sealion and three EWS 46 tonne vga sliding wall vans, I'm not fussed about the tank wagon i really like the sealion and i plan on getting a class 66 in EWS later so will build on the rolling stock for that.
So i guess i've answered that sell the tank wagon buy sealions as i can afford them. I have noticed on kernow models site they have two sealions listed a hopper bogie wagon and a ballast bogie wagon what's the difference please
Dave
Quote from: bbdave on December 22, 2011, 06:28:08 PMI have noticed on kernow models site they have two sealions listed a hopper bogie wagon and a ballast bogie wagon what's the difference please
Hopper bogie wagon 373-000A
Ballast bogie wagon 373-000
Both olive green, probably the only difference is the wagon number and some slightly different details
The others available are Seacow, which are modified from Sealion
I have bought the Seacow as I prefer the Civil Engineers "dutch" livery
I've noticed too that I like to have an odd number of coaches on my locos. How weird!
I'm also a fan of; if it looks right, it is right.
I.e.
a small tank loco with 5 coaches = wrong
a large tank loco (5MT) with 5 coaches = just right
Equally, look at many photos and the majority have odd numbers of coaches
This is due to the formula between platform lengths, train lengths, and routes, which in most cases results in an even number when you include the loco
Equally, there is a similar correlation in the ratio between First Class and Standard, which is almost the same between seat ratio and coach ratio
My philosophy on train lengths is simple
Big layouts short or long trains.
Small layouts Small locos and short trains
To me its all about scale long trains on a small layout look out of place but some people seem to be happy with the idea.