Ever since the last major upgrade to Windows 10 I've been having lockups and various BSOD's.
Anyone else had any problems recently?
:beers:
Glad I have resisted upgrading so far.
Quote from: Oldman on January 02, 2016, 07:07:56 PM
Glad I have resisted upgrading so far.
I know what you mean. I'd like to go back to Windows 7, never had a problem with that version. Unfortunately I would have to go back to the computer factory installation to do that and then reinstall all the programs and reload all my data (which is all backed up fortunately).
That would be just a pain, the last time I did it it took 2 or 3 days to get everything up and running again.
I'll just have to hope that future updates to Windows 10 solve the problems - wishful thinking perhaps..
:'( :beers:
I had one BSOD, caused by an old CD Rom driver. I've temporarily disconnected the drive until I get a more up to date driver.
Quote from: Malc on January 02, 2016, 07:33:35 PM
I had one BSOD, caused by an old CD Rom driver. I've temporarily disconnected the drive until I get a more up to date driver.
It does seem, from checking out various web sites, that old drivers have caused problems with Windows 10. Even though Microsoft say that Windows 7 drivers should work with Windows 10.
Unfortunately I don't really know which drivers might be causing problems Malc.
I'm very loath to use one of these driver update utilities, which detect old drivers on your system, as many of them are very suspect - unless you know one which is reliable and doesn't install malware and other undesirables on your Confuser.
:beers:
Since the very last update - one of my Applications "Incredimail" will no longer open - and the Incredimail Support Centre are aware there is a problem and are working to find a solution.
Haven't found problems with any other software yet.
Windows 10 is still a long way from being a finished product and has been rushed to the market before it's ready. Its one to avoid for a year or two. Stick to Windows 7 I say.
Quote from: cjdodd on January 02, 2016, 08:32:51 PM
Windows 10 is still a long way from being a finished product and has been rushed to the market before it's ready. Its one to avoid for a year or two. Stick to Windows 7 I say.
Too late for me I'm afraid - the way back to Windows 7 is dodgy for me!! :'(
After you install Windows 10 you have 1 month in which you can roll back to your previous version without having to do a full reinstall.
Google 'rollback Windows 10'
Sometimes, after an update, my laptop just 'hangs'. After nothing happening for 15/20 minutes, I then do a forced shutdown - press and hold the power button - and then switch back on and everything works as it should ???. Annoying, but I find that when the computer does 'hang', it is the only way to get going again, as nothing works until the laptop is switched back on. Otherwise, I am quite happy with '10'. David.
Quote from: cjdodd on January 02, 2016, 08:40:36 PM
After you install Windows 10 you have 1 month in which you can roll back to your previous version without having to do a full reinstall.
Google 'rollback Windows 10'
Windows 10 was installed when it first came out. No way back now except computer factory reset - I don't want to do that.
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I've stayed away from it so far. Much as I hate 8.1 something hasn't convinced me about 10 yet. But "various BSOD's" -is that not a bit worrying for the machine? Only had them a few times over the years (mainly with works PC's), but BSOD was always terminal (hence the terminology), the machines were bin jobs.
Quote from: RST on January 02, 2016, 09:11:03 PM
I've stayed away from it so far. Much as I hate 8.1 something hasn't convinced me about 10 yet. But "various BSOD's" -is that not a bit worrying for the machine? Only had them a few times over the years (mainly with works PC's), but BSOD was always terminal (hence the terminology), the machines were bin jobs.
It's not the hardware that's the bin job though. Just dodgy software.
I'm dreading it when my phone wants to update as well
Quote from: Oldman on January 02, 2016, 10:00:32 PM
I'm dreading it when my phone wants to update as well
OMG I'd forgotten about that - I've got a Windows phone - maybe you don't have to update straight away?
:beers:
Don't worry yet, just done an update on mine as I was going to sort out a few of the apps.
Nothing yet sorted for our phones from what the web tells me.
Quote from: Oldman on January 02, 2016, 07:07:56 PM
Glad I have resisted upgrading so far.
Wise move ;)
It will take a bit more convincing to get me to upgrade from trusty old 7
Quote from: austinbob on January 02, 2016, 08:43:56 PM
Windows 10 was installed when it first came out. No way back now except computer factory reset - I don't want to do that.
:beers:
So get the "best" of both worlds - buy yourself a new disk & restore Win7 onto that ... OK, you still need to put all your apps etc onto it, but you retain the Win10 disk (and if you're sensible & buy a suitable caddy, you can use that to recover the data from). This way, you can use either Win7
or Win10, depending on your mood ...
Quote from: MikeDunn on January 03, 2016, 10:48:02 AM
Quote from: austinbob on January 02, 2016, 08:43:56 PM
Windows 10 was installed when it first came out. No way back now except computer factory reset - I don't want to do that.
:beers:
So get the "best" of both worlds - buy yourself a new disk & restore Win7 onto that ... OK, you still need to put all your apps etc onto it, but you retain the Win10 disk (and if you're sensible & buy a suitable caddy, you can use that to recover the data from). This way, you can use either Win7 or Win10, depending on your mood ...
Too much like hard work I think Mike.
I've been investigating and found that I had about a dozen old drivers which could be replaced by newer (much) versions.
I've updated them all now so we'll see if that makes a difference to the crashes. However, it will be very difficult to know if things have improved. Sometimes the computer would crash several times a day and then no problem for a couple of weeks!! :hmmm: :beers:
I must admit that even after my reluctance to upgrade to Windows 10, so far ( touch wood, fingers crossed, rub lucky rabbits foot, make sure I have lucky pants on etc.) I haven't had any issues, although I was annoyed to discover that Minesweeper has disappeared :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
I'm using Office 2010 and that seems to work fine, another little niggle is that I can't seem to make my Favourites icons on the Favourites bar small, like I could in IE, anyone know how??
Other than those little niggles, I actually quite like it, so far, as long as nothing goes wrong ;)
Regards
Neal.
Austinbob which windows phone have you got because some may not take the upgrade when they eventually think about it.
My Nokia 520 runs 8.1 and is one that is one that the upgrade is currently NOT on the radar. :thumbsup:
Quote from: austinbob on January 03, 2016, 11:16:13 AM
Too much like hard work I think Mike.
Pah, some people :P
Good luck on those drivers ! Personally, I'm staying on Win7 ... might run up a new Win10 VM, see how the current version is (compared to the original release), but then again I might not ::)
Quote from: Oldman on January 03, 2016, 12:33:53 PM
Austinbob which windows phone have you got because some may not take the upgrade when they eventually think about it.
My Nokia 520 runs 8.1 and is one that is one that the upgrade is currently NOT on the radar. :thumbsup:
I've got a Lumia 930 which is definitely on the list for upgrade. :beers:
Installed W10 on my PC. Great for the first 6-8 weeks then the automatic upgrades were installed :doh:
That's when it all started to go slow, hang and made me glad I had kept it off mine and my wife's laptop. Also told the daughter to hold on. She has W8 on her laptop and finds it OK :)
Biggest issue is with the new features and functionality. E-mail with W10 is a return to the dark ages: none of the true functionality associated with Outlook seems to be present at first (batch deletion, scam and spam lockouts, phishing lockouts etc). At least some of them are being addressed - slowly. Edge and News are the same and not really updated. Good to read for the misspellings and often wrong info.
Considering upgrading PC due to photography use - Mac would be ideal but very expensive but advice suggests a custom built machine. Will NOT be installing W10.
Quote from: dave d on January 03, 2016, 01:25:55 PM
Considering upgrading PC due to photography use - Mac would be ideal but very expensive but advice suggests a custom built machine.
May be worth pricing a Mac mini since you probably have the peripherals needed already. Just be sure to go with 8MB RAM as anything less can be slow and max out the HDD as upgrading is a bear. One caveat is that the new version of the as-delivered photo software (Photos as opposed to iPhoto) seems to have lost some functionality, but then I'm not a photography expert by any means and most of those will be using a high-end software package anyway. When pricing, remember that Mac's come with all the functional software most people need built in and they seem to be able to "play nice" with MS files now (e.g. my wife is editing a book on her iMac and exchanging files with authors in Word with no issues). I changed to Mac after 20-ish years of MS with no regrets.
On another thread about W10 I commented that people should remember what Adam said to Eve "if you're that frustrated, go get an Apple!" Of course Mike Dunn considered that to be the root of all evil...but now we find out he's still on W7 :P
Jon
Quote from: Jon898 on January 03, 2016, 02:02:26 PM
Of course Mike Dunn considered that to be the root of all evil...but now we find out he's still on W7 :P
:P :P :P And I'm also a user of Jessie ::)
Apples are for arty-farty things >:D That being said, given Dave D's desired usage it may be best for him. Depends, of course, how much he has tied up in Windows apps ...
Dave, a custom PC may not be that much ... if you're capable of putting together components, building one yourself can be very cost-effective. Especially if you get a mobo with the CPU/cooler already deployed (saves messing about with thermal paste), as it's then pretty simple.
Words to the wise - if you have Outlook already, keep it active. W10 e-mail archive DOES NOT archive. Next update - all gone :o :thumbsdown:
No way to get it back - one of the number of issues with the new e-mail app.
Sorry - meant to add: Outlook kept alive will still have the archive.
Brain must have had a W10 upgrade :worried:
I thought the upgrade option on a Windows phone went to Amazon and bought you an Android or iphone 8)
Quote from: EtchedPixels on January 03, 2016, 08:09:12 PM
I thought the upgrade option on a Windows phone went to Amazon and bought you an Android or iphone 8)
:laughabovepost: No wonder you are hiding behind dark glasses :no: - nowt wrong with Nokia Lumia. I have a 1020 64GB and have refused to even think about changing it! No sign of any phone upgrade in Ireland yet. :). David.
Some of the guys @ work were crowing about getting Windows phones instead of B/berry ... 3 months later, they're begging to swap back :laugh:
Quote from: MikeDunn on January 03, 2016, 09:21:00 PM
Some of the guys @ work were crowing about getting Windows phones instead of B/berry ... 3 months later, they're begging to swap back :laugh:
Mike.. My Lumia 930 is brilliant with Windows 8.1 - couldn't be happier with it. Just a bit nervous about the inevitable update to Windows phone 10.
:beers:
Quote from: austinbob on January 03, 2016, 09:24:38 PM
Quote from: MikeDunn on January 03, 2016, 09:21:00 PM
Some of the guys @ work were crowing about getting Windows phones instead of B/berry ... 3 months later, they're begging to swap back :laugh:
Mike.. My Lumia 930 is brilliant with Windows 8.1 - couldn't be happier with it. Just a bit nervous about the inevitable update to Windows phone 10.
:beers:
I used to be the same about the update. I have not tried Win10 on a phone, but on the a Pc Its a very good cross between win7 and Win8 and if I'm honest I now prefer it.
Quote from: GWR-Kris on January 03, 2016, 09:56:54 PM
Quote from: austinbob on January 03, 2016, 09:24:38 PM
Quote from: MikeDunn on January 03, 2016, 09:21:00 PM
Some of the guys @ work were crowing about getting Windows phones instead of B/berry ... 3 months later, they're begging to swap back :laugh:
Mike.. My Lumia 930 is brilliant with Windows 8.1 - couldn't be happier with it. Just a bit nervous about the inevitable update to Windows phone 10.
:beers:
I used to be the same about the update. I have not tried Win10 on a phone, but on the a Pc Its a very good cross between win7 and Win8 and if I'm honest I now prefer it.
I have to say I like Windows 10 but don't like the bugs and occasional crashes.
:beers:
I had exactly the same experience after upgrading (and I use that word very loosely :no:) to Windows 10.
At first all seemed fine except I didn't really see that anything was better than windows 8, just seemed to have been rearranged a bit.
But after a while my computer just totally froze with the cursor stuck in one position.
How often this happened seemed to be pure chance and some days I was luck and it never happened whilst others it could need over 10 restarts. The only way out was to hold the on / off button down for several seconds, ctrl alt del did nothing.
I did the revert back to windows 8 and still it happened.
In the end I put all my data I wanted to retain to a USB disc and did a reset to factory which put it back to as I bought the laptop with Windows 8. Since then it has been okay. So the revert back to windows 8 was not the same as a factory reset for definite.
Don't know what other Applications it affected - but my email add-on provider "Incredimail"
has asked me to unistall Windows 10 update KB3132372, as it was this update that "buggered up" their software.
I have just uninstalled said update, and Incredimail is now working again. I use Incredimail "wrapped around" Gmail for my electronic mail as it provides you with a lot more facilities than the standard Gmail, and I find it easier to use.
No doubt Incredimail have been in touch with the Windows 10 Update people, and I suspect there will be another update in a short while as I think it has affected other things as well - for example since the update I am frequently getting "Problem loading Page" when searching certain safe Internet Websites, but on "re-trying" it then comes up O.K. Seems to be some sort of timing problem which I never had before.
Quote from: austinbob on January 03, 2016, 11:16:13 AM
Quote from: MikeDunn on January 03, 2016, 10:48:02 AM
Quote from: austinbob on January 02, 2016, 08:43:56 PM
Windows 10 was installed when it first came out. No way back now except computer factory reset - I don't want to do that.
:beers:
So get the "best" of both worlds - buy yourself a new disk & restore Win7 onto that ... OK, you still need to put all your apps etc onto it, but you retain the Win10 disk (and if you're sensible & buy a suitable caddy, you can use that to recover the data from). This way, you can use either Win7 or Win10, depending on your mood ...
Too much like hard work I think Mike.
I've been investigating and found that I had about a dozen old drivers which could be replaced by newer (much) versions.
I've updated them all now so we'll see if that makes a difference to the crashes. However, it will be very difficult to know if things have improved. Sometimes the computer would crash several times a day and then no problem for a couple of weeks!! :hmmm: :beers:
Well.. its 8 days since I updated the dozen or so drivers and I've had no hint of a lockup since. Fingers Crossed maybe the problem is solved - BUT WHO KNOWS!!!!.
:beers:
Just become aware of another problem with Windows 10.
My local online Banking system will no longer load and freezes as soon as the home page appears. Have contacted the Bank (Solbank) about the problem but never got a reply so decided to persue the matter further myself as I totally rely on online Banking both here (with Solbank) and in the UK (with FirstDirect).
The FirstDirect system is still working fine by the way.
When I bought my latest Laptop, fortunately I kept the previous one with Windows 7 Professional on it, so I thought I would get it out and see if I could access Solbank on that
(using Firefox on both by the way).
No problems getting the online banking system of Solbank up and running with Windows 7 - so it must be a Windows 10 problem. Just sent another email to the Bank about it.
Wonder what the next problem will be?
Just had a nightmare with Win10.
No printer..Software wouldn't work etc..the tipping point was login to the cloud permanently being displayed on the startup along with the edge popping up every ten minutes.
Finally went back to Windows 7 after having to do a fresh install because it wouldn't let me roll back.
Nice to see a fresh conversion to the Grand Order of the Luddites :D
Although us Founder Members weren't daft enough stupid enough idiotic enough convinced Win10 was a good idea in the first place :P
I had a number of problems with windows 10 lockups. I used Perfect disk updater to update my drivers several weeks ago and haven't had a problem since.
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