Not quite sure where this falls in. I am a smoker (naughty, I know) and I really enjoy having a cigarette while watching my trains on the loop, but I am always afraid that the smoke will add a layer of grime to the track. Does anyone else smoke and has anyone noticed any problems that have arisen as a result of smoking around the layout/locomotives?
I'm not a smoker so can't really tell you what effect the smoke has but, smoke usually rises and most likely the smoke will stain the ceiling and upper walls. Less likely to affect a railway perhaps.
Some other naughty smoker out there is gonna tell me I'm wrong so wait a while for further responses!! :) :beers:
Quote from: austinbob on December 22, 2015, 07:06:27 PM
I'm not a smoker so can't really tell you what effect the smoke has but, smoke usually rises and most likely the smoke will stain the ceiling and upper walls. Less likely to affect a railway perhaps.
Some other naughty smoker out there is gonna tell me I'm wrong so wait a while for further responses!! :) :beers:
I was just thinking about you, Bob! I ordered the Fairburn and 4F from the Collectors Club today, along with the SLOA Pullman, the Royal Train Mk1 and the two PO 7plank wagons. :) Shipping to the US is 20£ which I think is a little outrageous, so I did a big order so that I don't have to make another until they have released several new things I want :) Don't think I'd have done it if I didn't see your icon everytime I'm on the forum and you hadn't posted such good things about the club :) Bachmann ought to send you a thank you note!
Quote from: N-Gauge-US on December 22, 2015, 07:13:53 PM
Quote from: austinbob on December 22, 2015, 07:06:27 PM
I'm not a smoker so can't really tell you what effect the smoke has but, smoke usually rises and most likely the smoke will stain the ceiling and upper walls. Less likely to affect a railway perhaps.
Some other naughty smoker out there is gonna tell me I'm wrong so wait a while for further responses!! :) :beers:
I was just thinking about you, Bob! I ordered the Fairburn and 4F from the Collectors Club today, along with the SLOA Pullman, the Royal Train Mk1 and the two PO 7plank wagons. :) Shipping to the US is 20£ which I think is a little outrageous, so I did a big order so that I don't have to make another until they have released several new things I want :) Don't think I'd have done it if I didn't see your icon everytime I'm on the forum and you hadn't posted such good things about the club :) Bachmann ought to send you a thank you note!
O.M.G N-Gauge-US. If you've got a partner please make sure you tell them that its not my fault you're spending all this cash after joining the Bachmann club!!.
I'm lucky in that most of my purchases are spread out over the year so my Misses is either not too worried or hasn't noticed what I've spent yet!!
:D :beers:
Quote from: austinbob on December 22, 2015, 07:24:33 PM
Quote from: N-Gauge-US on December 22, 2015, 07:13:53 PM
Quote from: austinbob on December 22, 2015, 07:06:27 PM
I'm not a smoker so can't really tell you what effect the smoke has but, smoke usually rises and most likely the smoke will stain the ceiling and upper walls. Less likely to affect a railway perhaps.
Some other naughty smoker out there is gonna tell me I'm wrong so wait a while for further responses!! :) :beers:
I was just thinking about you, Bob! I ordered the Fairburn and 4F from the Collectors Club today, along with the SLOA Pullman, the Royal Train Mk1 and the two PO 7plank wagons. :) Shipping to the US is 20£ which I think is a little outrageous, so I did a big order so that I don't have to make another until they have released several new things I want :) Don't think I'd have done it if I didn't see your icon everytime I'm on the forum and you hadn't posted such good things about the club :) Bachmann ought to send you a thank you note!
O.M.G N-Gauge-US. If you've got a partner please make sure you tell them that its not my fault you're spending all this cash after joining the Bachmann club!!.
I'm lucky in that most of my purchases are spread out over the year so my Misses is either not too worried or hasn't noticed what I've spent yet!!
:D :beers:
Haha I do but thankfully I paid for these with an unexpected Christmas bonus and then my mother actually insisted on reimbursing me for part of it as an extra present, so they sort-of fell into my lap from heaven ;) I could never normally justify buying so much at once! XD
Quote from: N-Gauge-US on December 22, 2015, 09:48:40 PM
Quote from: austinbob on December 22, 2015, 07:24:33 PM
Quote from: N-Gauge-US on December 22, 2015, 07:13:53 PM
Quote from: austinbob on December 22, 2015, 07:06:27 PM
I'm not a smoker so can't really tell you what effect the smoke has but, smoke usually rises and most likely the smoke will stain the ceiling and upper walls. Less likely to affect a railway perhaps.
Some other naughty smoker out there is gonna tell me I'm wrong so wait a while for further responses!! :) :beers:
I was just thinking about you, Bob! I ordered the Fairburn and 4F from the Collectors Club today, along with the SLOA Pullman, the Royal Train Mk1 and the two PO 7plank wagons. :) Shipping to the US is 20£ which I think is a little outrageous, so I did a big order so that I don't have to make another until they have released several new things I want :) Don't think I'd have done it if I didn't see your icon everytime I'm on the forum and you hadn't posted such good things about the club :) Bachmann ought to send you a thank you note!
O.M.G N-Gauge-US. If you've got a partner please make sure you tell them that its not my fault you're spending all this cash after joining the Bachmann club!!.
I'm lucky in that most of my purchases are spread out over the year so my Misses is either not too worried or hasn't noticed what I've spent yet!!
:D :beers:
Haha I do but thankfully I paid for these with an unexpected Christmas bonus and then my mother actually insisted on reimbursing me for part of it as an extra present, so they sort-of fell into my lap from heaven ;) I could never normally justify buying so much at once! XD
Lucky you... Enjoy your Xmas presents when they arrive. :) :beers:
Quote from: N-Gauge-US on December 22, 2015, 07:01:11 PM
Not quite sure where this falls in. I am a smoker (naughty, I know) and I really enjoy having a cigarette while watching my trains on the loop, but I am always afraid that the smoke will add a layer of grime to the track. Does anyone else smoke and has anyone noticed any problems that have arisen as a result of smoking around the layout/locomotives?
Hi,
That's a very good question which unfortunately I can't answer but would like to know the answer.
I smoke a lot but go outside (by choice, sort of ;). I am allowed inside by the non smoking power that be if it's very cold or very wet but only in the sort of utility room next to the kitchen.
Now I have a train room upstairs with a window thought I could smoke out of it but never crossed my mind it might damage our delicate little hobby.
Thanks for posting and look forward to replies in the know.
Cheers weave.
PS Please, especially if your an ex smoker, no lectures on giving up. I try all the time but lectures stress me out and guess what I do when stressed :), oh and drink :beers:
Quote from: austinbob on December 22, 2015, 07:06:27 PM
I'm not a smoker so can't really tell you what effect the smoke has but, smoke usually rises and most likely the smoke will stain the ceiling and upper walls. Less likely to affect a railway perhaps.
Not necessarily so ;)
Having lived with parents who smoked you become very aware that EVERYTHING in the room smells of it, even if the obvious yellow staining is restricted to the upper surfaces. It disperses throughout the whole room, and therefore some residue will be deposited on everything. Whether this is enough to affect running is another matter but I'll bet a good track clean will reveal more yellow than a layout in a non-smoking household.
Paul
Quote from: Sprintex on December 22, 2015, 10:37:00 PM
Quote from: austinbob on December 22, 2015, 07:06:27 PM
I'm not a smoker so can't really tell you what effect the smoke has but, smoke usually rises and most likely the smoke will stain the ceiling and upper walls. Less likely to affect a railway perhaps.
Not necessarily so ;)
Having lived with parents who smoked you become very aware that EVERYTHING in the room smells of it, even if the obvious yellow staining is restricted to the upper surfaces. It disperses throughout the whole room, and therefore some residue will be deposited on everything. Whether this is enough to affect running is another matter but I'll bet a good track clean will reveal more yellow than a layout in a non-smoking household.
Paul
I am so glad I gave up smoking 40 years ago Paul!!
'Polishes Halo and admires shine on track!!'
:D :beers:
The odd fag smoked carefully out of the window presumaby won't make much difference, but as a non-smoker I notice even a single ciggie smoked inside a room leaves a noticeable patina over things, not sure what mechanical effect that would have if repeated over the longer term but it would certainly reduce the resale value of stock.
The virtuous can add " from non-smoking Train room" to their ads!
And yes, the nicotine and tar patina sticks all over the track, locos and scenery!
( and your lungs and arteries )
Quote from: Railwaygun on December 23, 2015, 12:55:07 AM
The virtuous can add " from non-smoking Train room" to their ads!
I have seen words to this effect. And recently a rare and desirable Japanese set offered for about a 5th of the normal price due to smelling of cigarrette smoke. Just sayin', like.
I had a Saturday job in a cafe in the 1960s. One of my jobs was to wash down the many mirrors inside the cafe with vinegar water to clean off the dirt. As those of you who were alive then, nearly everyone smoked, especially over a cup of coffee. The yellow, sticky water that came out of our dish cloths as I made my way around the cafe made me a life-long non-smoker.
The vapours and stains generated by a single cigarette smoked in the layout room will produce far less (and harmful) problems than those generated by running stream and diesel locomotives continuously :angel: :angel:
A mate of mine smoked in his 'gaming' room while playing on his PC for hours on end every evening. When his 2 year old PC needed a bit of fixing, we opened it up and found that the tar had stuck to the edge of the fan blades which in turn allowed dust to gather and stick itself to the blades. The microscopic layer of tar which will accumulate over the entire layout would bother me as it might do that dust-on-the-fan-blades trick; it wouldn't necessarily affect the track as I guess this is cleaned regularly though.
Try snuff instead, it gives you that nicotine satisfaction and can be used for weathering as well...
Quote from: Derwentbob on December 23, 2015, 11:40:53 AM
Try snuff instead, it gives you that nicotine satisfaction and can be used for weathering as well...
And if you sneeze you can weather everything on the layout in one go - result!!!
:claphappy:
NHS Warning , its been reviled a new disease 'Layout Cancer' has been found and is on the increase ....
(NHS - nearest Hobby Shop :D )
Quote from: Derwentbob on December 23, 2015, 11:40:53 AM
Try snuff instead, it gives you that nicotine satisfaction and can be used for weathering as well...
:smiley-laughing: I funnily enough, I have actually experimented with a little cigarette ash for creating realistic coal soot!
Thanks everyone, for your input :) Ultimately, I don't chain smoke over the locos and really only enjoy having the occaisional one in there (a sort of reward while watching the trains run). Given the comments, I don't think I'm in much danger of leaving enough tar residue about to make a big difference, but I thought it was worth asking around about :)
Quote from: austinbob on December 23, 2015, 11:43:08 AM
Quote from: Derwentbob on December 23, 2015, 11:40:53 AM
Try snuff instead, it gives you that nicotine satisfaction and can be used for weathering as well...
And if you sneeze you can weather everything on the layout in one go - result!!!
:claphappy:
:laughabovepost:
As one who has smoked for 50 years I have seen, and had to clear up, the horrible yellow staining on walls, ceilings, windows, uPVC etc and it's very unpleasant, to say nothing of the smell it leaves on furnishings, soft or otherwise. Whenever youngsters/pets were around I always smoked outdoors and have continued doing that even when living alone despite any bad weather. (If I can't be bothered to get wet/blown about/snowed or hailed on then I obviously don't need a ciggy that much)
I am now in the situation where I need severe heart surgery (quite possibly the result of my smoking but heart disease is also hereditary in our family) so have managed to get down to single figure ciggies per day in the hope I can stop before that surgery.
As another cautionary tale (albeit not so serious), many years ago some friends purchased a house and I helped them strip 7 layers of wallpaper. With each layer coming off the smell of curry got stronger and stronger and. once we had the walls back to bare plaster, they had to be left for some 6 months before decoration could be started on.
Quote from: newportnobby on December 23, 2015, 12:11:58 PM
Quote from: austinbob on December 23, 2015, 11:43:08 AM
Quote from: Derwentbob on December 23, 2015, 11:40:53 AM
Try snuff instead, it gives you that nicotine satisfaction and can be used for weathering as well...
And if you sneeze you can weather everything on the layout in one go - result!!!
:claphappy:
:laughabovepost:
As one who has smoked for 50 years I have seen, and had to clear up, the horrible yellow staining on walls, ceilings, windows, uPVC etc and it's very unpleasant, to say nothing of the smell it leaves on furnishings, soft or otherwise. Whenever youngsters/pets were around I always smoked outdoors and have continued doing that even when living alone despite any bad weather. (If I can't be bothered to get wet/blown about/snowed or hailed on then I obviously don't need a ciggy that much)
I am now in the situation where I need severe heart surgery (quite possibly the result of my smoking but heart disease is also hereditary in our family) so have managed to get down to single figure ciggies per day in the hope I can stop before that surgery.
As another cautionary tale (albeit not so serious), many years ago some friends purchased a house and I helped them strip 7 layers of wallpaper. With each layer coming off the smell of curry got stronger and stronger and. once we had the walls back to bare plaster, they had to be left for some 6 months before decoration could be started on.
Very sorry to hear about your impending heart surgery, Newportnobby. :( Please take care of yourself and do as the mighty Doctor commands. I for one would be lost without your excellent advice and wide ranging knowledge. Wishing you a speedy recovery and a very merry Christmas,
Philip
Quote from: newportnobby on December 23, 2015, 12:11:58 PM
Quote from: austinbob on December 23, 2015, 11:43:08 AM
Quote from: Derwentbob on December 23, 2015, 11:40:53 AM
Try snuff instead, it gives you that nicotine satisfaction and can be used for weathering as well...
And if you sneeze you can weather everything on the layout in one go - result!!!
:claphappy:
:laughabovepost:
I am now in the situation where I need severe heart surgery (quite possibly the result of my smoking but heart disease is also hereditary in our family) so have managed to get down to single figure ciggies per day in the hope I can stop before that surgery.
I smoked heavily for about 50 years and my health problems now can be laid 90% at the sins of smoking.
Please please Mick look at me and use it as an example o
f someone who wouldnt give it up till to late a picture of the inside of my lungs/heart would cause anybody to give up immediately if they have any sense :uneasy: :uneasy: :(
As a non smoker :angel: my contribution is of questionable value but I was wondering if there was any real difference between the smoke for a cigarette and the smoke from steam loco chimneys, via smoke generators, when it comes to pollution of the layout?
Quote from: D1042 Western Princess on December 23, 2015, 09:12:02 PM
As a non smoker :angel: my contribution is of questionable value but I was wondering if there was any real difference between the smoke for a cigarette and the smoke from steam loco chimneys, via smoke generators, when it comes to pollution of the layout?
Very few N Gauge smokers - Arnold had a couple but long out of production.
OO/HO is another matter.
Quote from: jonclox on December 23, 2015, 02:37:28 PM
[I smoked heavily for about 50 years and my health problems now can be laid 90% at the sins of smoking.
Please please Mick look at me and use it as an example o
f someone who wouldnt give it up till to late a picture of the inside of my lungs/heart would cause anybody to give up immediately if they have any sense :uneasy: :uneasy: :(
Not quite that long for me, before I gave up.
Not preaching here, just telling...
I got myself an ecig - not one of those SILLY things that looks like a cigarette - a proper one. I didn't have total faith in the result but tried it... Well, was I ever surprised!!! After the FIRST suck on it I have never touched a ciggie again! Seriously, it worked that well even for a doubter like me. Four of my friends and both of my brothers have followed my lead and have stopped with no more problem than I had (none)... One of that group has reduced the strength of the e-liquid down to 0 but still uses the device simply coz she likes the taste and says she would miss the action of smoking, I don't think that will last long, she will stop using it completely soon, I am sure.
The change in my general health has been amazing.
As I said above, not preaching, but let me add this, the money saved over a while has bought me my car and various other items as well.
It's been around three years now with never a moment of regret.
Quote from: Zogbert Splod on December 24, 2015, 03:19:14 AM
Quote from: jonclox on December 23, 2015, 02:37:28 PM
[I smoked heavily for about 50 years and my health problems now can be laid 90% at the sins of smoking.
Please please Mick look at me and use it as an example o
f someone who wouldnt give it up till to late a picture of the inside of my lungs/heart would cause anybody to give up immediately if they have any sense :uneasy: :uneasy: :(
Not quite that long for me, before I gave up.
Not preaching here, just telling...
I got myself an ecig - not one of those SILLY things that looks like a cigarette - a proper one. I didn't have total faith in the result but tried it... Well, was I ever surprised!!! After the FIRST suck on it I have never touched a ciggie again! Seriously, it worked that well even for a doubter like me. Four of my friends and both of my brothers have followed my lead and have stopped with no more problem than I had (none)... One of that group has reduced the strength of the e-liquid down to 0 but still uses the device simply coz she likes the taste and says she would miss the action of smoking, I don't think that will last long, she will stop using it completely soon, I am sure.
The change in my general health has been amazing.
As I said above, not preaching, but let me add this, the money saved over a while has bought me my car and various other items as well.
It's been around three years now with never a moment of regret.
Hi,
Yesterday I promised SWMBO that I would buy one today for myself as a present to her. Apparently she doesn't want me to die.
Have had some advice, by one of her work colleagues, as to which one to buy but got confused. Sure they'll help in the shop but any advice appreciated.
Might only smoke around the Spanish layout when/ if it gets built as in real life their buildings look like they need a bit of white wash and my weathering skills are rubbish.
Cheers and Happy Christmas :beers:
Quote from: Railwaygun on December 23, 2015, 10:56:34 PM
Quote from: D1042 Western Princess on December 23, 2015, 09:12:02 PM
As a non smoker :angel: my contribution is of questionable value but I was wondering if there was any real difference between the smoke for a cigarette and the smoke from steam loco chimneys, via smoke generators, when it comes to pollution of the layout?
Very few N Gauge smokers - Arnold had a couple but long out of production.
OO/HO is another matter.
What about Seuth etc though?
https://www.dccsupplies.com/cat-97/seuthe-steam-generators.htm (https://www.dccsupplies.com/cat-97/seuthe-steam-generators.htm)
Quote from: D1042 Western Princess on December 24, 2015, 09:00:34 AM
Quote from: Railwaygun on December 23, 2015, 10:56:34 PM
Quote from: D1042 Western Princess on December 23, 2015, 09:12:02 PM
As a non smoker :angel: my contribution is of questionable value but I was wondering if there was any real difference between the smoke for a cigarette and the smoke from steam loco chimneys, via smoke generators, when it comes to pollution of the layout?
Very few N Gauge smokers - Arnold had a couple but long out of production.
OO/HO is another matter.
What about Seuth etc though?
https://www.dccsupplies.com/cat-97/seuthe-steam-generators.htm (https://www.dccsupplies.com/cat-97/seuthe-steam-generators.htm)
Surely they're basically just water vapour though, not actually smoke.
Well, they work on an oil based product and are called 'smoke generators' so I don't know more than that.
Gaugemaster sell them and they are oil based, they can also be
used to create smoking factory chimneys etc.
Quote from: weave on December 24, 2015, 06:54:31 AM
Have had some advice, by one of her work colleagues, as to which one to buy but got confused. Sure they'll help in the shop but any advice appreciated.
When I got my first one I bought it through the net. We didn't have a local vapery shop. We do have one now and I get all of my supplies there. It would be cheaper to buy on line but I do like to support local traders as far as it goes while not getting too silly. On one occasion, while in there, I was able to assist the guy behind the counter with a question which was being asked by a particularly stroppy customer. After the gobby guy had left I got chatting with the assistant who turned out to be the owner and, to keep the story short, he gave me a box of 'non working ecigs'. Turned out there were 9 in there. Problems ranged from shattered displays through to simple failed solder joints. So far, I have built four working units and there are 2 more that I know I can make work as and when I get round to it.
There are scores of companies building these things but from my limited experience I have found the Itaste MVP range to be excellent as power supplies go but I prefer the Kanger range of tanks. The Kanger AeroTank being my tank of choice.
Now, these items are not cheap. It is, however, very possible to get underway with one of the many starter packs available. These come with a much smaller battery which needs charging quite often, so, consider the dual starter packs which are readily available also (one in use, one on charge). In all things vaping, steer clear of 'no name' stuff - it's probably a clone and sooner or later it WILL fail. Cloned/copied battery packs will often fail after just a few days or weeks and can even cause more serious problems.
So, to boil it down, stick with the known brands and you should be just fine.....
DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME (or anywhere else either!)
https://youtu.be/cill_IbtXiw
Watch the vid then consider this: I generally vape at 6.5 to 7 watts...
Quote from: Zogbert Splod on December 24, 2015, 12:56:56 PM
Quote from: weave on December 24, 2015, 06:54:31 AM
Have had some advice, by one of her work colleagues, as to which one to buy but got confused. Sure they'll help in the shop but any advice appreciated.
When I got my first one I bought it through the net. We didn't have a local vapery shop. We do have one now and I get all of my supplies there. It would be cheaper to buy on line but I do like to support local traders as far as it goes while not getting too silly. On one occasion, while in there, I was able to assist the guy behind the counter with a question which was being asked by a particularly stroppy customer. After the gobby guy had left I got chatting with the assistant who turned out to be the owner and, to keep the story short, he gave me a box of 'non working ecigs'. Turned out there were 9 in there. Problems ranged from shattered displays through to simple failed solder joints. So far, I have built four working units and there are 2 more that I know I can make work as and when I get round to it.
There are scores of companies building these things but from my limited experience I have found the Itaste MVP range to be excellent as power supplies go but I prefer the Kanger range of tanks. The Kanger AeroTank being my tank of choice.
Now, these items are not cheap. It is, however, very possible to get underway with one of the many starter packs available. These come with a much smaller battery which needs charging quite often, so, consider the dual starter packs which are readily available also (one in use, one on charge). In all things vaping, steer clear of 'no name' stuff - it's probably a clone and sooner or later it WILL fail. Cloned/copied battery packs will often fail after just a few days or weeks and can even cause more serious problems.
So, to boil it down, stick with the known brands and you should be just fine.....
DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME (or anywhere else either!)
https://youtu.be/cill_IbtXiw
One of my friends also uses the nicer Kanger tanks and thinks very highly of them. In general it is cheaper to buy online, but you should go in a shop where they specialize in them first and talk to the people working there. Most shops will walk you through getting started and give you some dos and don'ts. Most shops in the US will let you test them too (using a disposable mouthpiece), which I highly recommend.
Seuthe smoke generators
None of them look suitable for an N gauge loco?
Quote from: Railwaygun on December 24, 2015, 02:15:36 PM
Seuthe smoke generators
None of them look suitable for an N gauge loco?
I don't believe they are suitable for N gauge locos, but Caz has put them to brilliant use on her layout to create smoke billowing from tunnel mouths after a steamer has passed through.
@Caz (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=202) making us all look bad again with her excellent skills! Plus she lives in one of my favorite towns on Earth! :jealous:
Quote from: newportnobby on December 24, 2015, 03:58:20 PM
Quote from: Railwaygun on December 24, 2015, 02:15:36 PM
Seuthe smoke generators
None of them look suitable for an N gauge loco?
I don't believe they are suitable for N gauge locos, but Caz has put them to brilliant use on her layout to create smoke billowing from tunnel mouths after a steamer has passed through.
Thanks for the compliment, here´s the effect for those that haven´t seen it.
http://youtu.be/GseHwh30jnY (http://youtu.be/GseHwh30jnY)
Know off topic really but thank you Zogbert Splod and N gauge US for mentioning Kanger.
I met SWMBO's work colleague at her 'work's do' , booze etc so confusion meant lack of memory.
But I remember now he mentioned Kanger and said how good it is.
Unfortunately I had so many other chores to do today (honestly) I didn't have time to go to the recommended shop but WILL on Tuesday, defo, promise.
Cheers guys, Happy Christmas.
Quote from: weave on December 24, 2015, 10:33:31 PM
Know off topic really but thank you Zogbert Splod and N gauge US for mentioning Kanger.
I met SWMBO's work colleague at her 'work's do' , booze etc so confusion meant lack of memory.
But I remember now he mentioned Kanger and said how good it is.
Unfortunately I had so many other chores to do today (honestly) I didn't have time to go to the recommended shop but WILL on Tuesday, defo, promise.
Cheers guys, Happy Christmas.
Kanger make a range of tanks. Some are "disposable" and are a bit of a pain but an easy way to start. The nicer tanks are in the 15-45$ in the US, so I would guess 10-30£, but well worth it when you get the one you like :)
The EU is going to regulate Vaping sales due to health hazards
https://cigelectric.co.uk/e-cig-uk-regulation-2016/
Caveat emptor!
Quote from: Railwaygun on December 25, 2015, 10:14:58 AM
The EU is going to regulate Vaping sales due to health hazards
https://cigelectric.co.uk/e-cig-uk-regulation-2016/
Caveat emptor!
And they already regulate smoking because it kills lots of people. The e-cig regulations are actually quite boring and mostly about making sure they aren't fire hazards, the plastic in them isn't unsafe and so on. It does limit nicotine levels without prescription.
@weave (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=735) its worth noting that the medical evidence is that they are not as bad for you but still very bad compared with not smoking. I shall be blunt - my wife died of cancer, it's not very pleasant watching someone vomit up their own faeces and all the other unpleasant things that happen while dying of cancer so for the sake of SWMBO give it up - whether via vaping initially or the hard way and with whatever support you need - I am sure she doesn't deserve the alternative.
Alan
eEcigs have delivered high doses of nicotine due to lack of regulation of strengths of Vaping solutions.
It is not carcinogenic in itself but can cause cardiac ( heart) Damage, as well as being addict I've.
It is marginally safer than fags due to the lack of the tarry by- products from tobacco combustion, and also lacks the CO content of the syymoke ( affects the coronary arteries and promotes atherogenesis ( blockage by cholesterol).
However the safety / pulmonary FX of the diluent and flavours is not known.
It's like suicide with smaller bullets!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine)
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/tobacco/nicotine-addictive (http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/tobacco/nicotine-addictive)
Nick R
Quote from: Railwaygun on December 29, 2015, 07:49:48 PM
eEcigs have delivered high doses of nicotine due to lack of regulation of strengths of Vaping solutions.
It is not carcinogenic in itself but can cause cardiac ( heart) Damage, as well as being addict I've.
It is marginally safer than fags due to the lack of the tarry by- products from tobacco combustion, and also lacks the CO content of the syymoke ( affects the coronary arteries and promotes atherogenesis ( blockage by cholesterol).
However the safety / pulmonary FX of the diluent and flavours is not known.
It's like suicide with smaller bullets!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine)
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/tobacco/nicotine-addictive (http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/tobacco/nicotine-addictive)
Nick R
I think Alan may have just been suggesting that using ecigs as a path to quitting altogether is better than the potential long term consequences of not quitting at all, something he has had to witness recently and very personally, unfortunately. (My thoughts were with you this Christmas, Alan. I'm very sorry again about your wife.) I don't think he or anyone else on here has suggested or is under the illusion that ecigs are totally safe devices, but I think many of us are tempted to say that, as a smoking cessation aid, they are potentially worthwhile and at least marginally safer than the real thing. (Also, cessation rates using ecigs are very high, compared to other aids).
Quote from: Railwaygun on December 29, 2015, 07:49:48 PM
eEcigs have delivered high doses of nicotine due to lack of regulation of strengths of Vaping solutions.
The new EU laws limit it except on prescription (so for example the NHS could offer extra strong solutions as a helper for those quitting). That should help a chunk.
Alan
Should we first* define our Train Rooms as public or private space,
and are we talking consenting adults ?
*before we involve the EU which may or may not contravene conventions on political discussion ?
There's another reason not to smoke in a train room I should add - the value of nasty smelly second hand stock with cigarette browned surfaces is a lot lower ;)