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Title: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: NinOz on December 18, 2015, 08:32:17 AM
Was doing some weed killing on front footpath.  Heard a high pitched humming from way down the hill.  Thought it was a well muffled motor bike or some such.  Couldn't see anything, humming getting louder but still nothing coming up the hill.  Louder still and moving fast up the hill.  Nowt to be seen?
Suddenly it was in front and up.  Looked up and there was a huge cloud of bees flying along the power lines, sort of a football shape about 1.5m round and about 4m long, moving at least 50kmh.  Last I saw and heard of them they were about 100m further up the hill, still flying along the wires.  Must have been a queen migrating.
AMAZING! :thumbsup:

Last Tuesday myself and wife were in the back yard at 10pm trying to see the meteor shower.  In the distance behind some trees were a pair of lights, red and green, dancing about the sky but not independently.  Looked to be about 5km away, above the next crest of the hill but who could really tell how far. 
They would jig about then suddenly move a fair distance then the same back again.  While doing the jig they were slowly moving toward the west.  Had a look through our binoculars and saw two slightly bigger lights but nothing else.  Initially I thought they may have been on a quadcopter,  someone out for some night flying but the duration was too long.  Then it clicked, perhaps a plane moving away from us and the lights affected by varying air density.
The only strange thing was, the stars in the same sky region were nice and steady. ???
WEIRD!
Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: Agrippa on December 18, 2015, 08:42:44 AM
The truth is out there...................

Was hoping for a tale of a close encounters and alien abduction, but a swarm of bees
and a plane..............,,,,,,,,,, :(
Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: Bealman on December 18, 2015, 10:47:51 AM
It was next door's Christmas lights, mate.  :beers:
Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: MalcolmInN on December 18, 2015, 11:55:00 AM
Quote from: NinOz on December 18, 2015, 08:32:17 AMand the lights affected by varying air density.
The only strange thing was, the stars in the same sky region were nice and steady.
Yes I think you are right, a mirage, where the mirage is travelling through more atmosphere than the starlight, so more twinkle
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81786082/NG/954Mirage.jpg)

Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: Tdm on December 18, 2015, 11:59:57 AM
Was having lunch at an outside table in a small cafe the other day when heard a"buzzing" sound nearby in the air.

Looked up and round and saw it was a fair sized "drone" (too big for a toy one) hovering overhead before eventually it moved away.

Didn't know Amazon where now delivering to Tenerife that way, or was it an "armed forces" drone seeking out someone to "prey" on? Don't think it belonged to Hattons as my latest delivery came by the usual method, or has Santa now decided to deliver presents by drone?.   

Seen any "drones" your way anyone?
Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: woodbury22uk on December 18, 2015, 12:05:00 PM
I was on a coach in India in 2009 being driven in the dark in the middle of the countryside. So no lighting apart from the coach headlights. A red glow approached the coach at speed and I really thought we were going to crash into a stationary vehicle. As it turned out it was a camel pulling a cart and coming towards us on the wrong side of the road. The glow was from the camel's eyes!Our accomplished Sikh driver had obviously seen it many times before and we swished by without slowing down at all.
Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: Bealman on December 18, 2015, 12:10:03 PM
Drones? See 'em all the time. People I used to work with but don't want to drink with  8)
Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: NinOz on December 18, 2015, 01:45:59 PM
Quote from: MalcolmAL on December 18, 2015, 11:55:00 AM
Quote from: NinOz on December 18, 2015, 08:32:17 AMand the lights affected by varying air density.
The only strange thing was, the stars in the same sky region were nice and steady.
Yes I think you are right, a mirage, where the mirage is travelling through more atmosphere than the starlight, so more twinkle
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81786082/NG/954Mirage.jpg)
I live near to the major north/south flight path and often see aircraft moving about at night but this was an unusual light show and not in the normal bit of sky.  If I was given to flights of fancy (kangaroos loose in the top paddock), I would be screaming UFO/aliens.

Missed the meteor shower as the clouds closed in at 11pm and stayed there. Missed last years as well due to clouds. :'(
Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: fatso on December 18, 2015, 01:53:28 PM
Can`t beat a good BEE LINE
Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: MalcolmInN on December 18, 2015, 02:06:51 PM
Quote from: NinOz on December 18, 2015, 01:45:59 PM
would be screaming UFO/aliens.

I'm so pleased that you didnt

Missed the meteor shower as the clouds closed
Missed last years as well due to clouds. :'(

Me too :(
but I did catch a Leonid storm a few years back

I trust you noticed that I drew Orion   upsidedown    the right way up for you, although I got the proportion of his sword a little exagerated ( said the actress )

Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: MikeDunn on December 18, 2015, 04:17:13 PM
Quote from: MalcolmAL on December 18, 2015, 02:06:51 PM
I trust you noticed that I drew Orion   upsidedown    the right way up for you, although I got the proportion of his sword a little exagerated ( said the actress )
I thought it was a smiley face ! ::)  Where did that top/bottom (depending on hemisphere :P) dot come from  ???
Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: MalcolmInN on December 18, 2015, 08:15:35 PM
Quote from: MikeDunn on December 18, 2015, 04:17:13 PM

I thought it was a smiley face ! ::)  Where did that top/bottom (depending on hemisphere :P) dot come from  ???
Eh ?!
a ) I have not got a clue wot you is on about
or b ) I am an impressionist not an artist :)

Umm,
Orion is the pattern of little dots upper right,
the red/green spot is the virtual image, the mirage, of the green/red paths from the object (aka UFO, there I done it !) below NinOz's horizon.
Sigh.

A similar effect arises in VHF radio comms. you can have a stable comms link to a partner in line-of-sight (within your radio horizon) with unstable fluctuating interference via tropo ducting from faraway lands.
My best has been 144MHz 2.5w hand held whip (shhh!) to Spain; I also did Italy but I think that was spE.
I think we are well off topic now, even bees in bonets ;)  !

I wonder if the drones had lost their Queen and were following a buzz of (on / in) the wire ?

mahatmacoat.






Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: MikeDunn on December 18, 2015, 08:22:46 PM
I'll vote for (b)  :P

The bit I mainly refer to is the three dots at the bottom of Orion ... ie the top from the UK.

Is this supposed to be Meissa ?  As normally, that star isn't included on the stick figure in the UK ... the Yanks being different, of course.
Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: MalcolmInN on December 18, 2015, 08:35:47 PM
Quote from: MikeDunn on December 18, 2015, 08:22:46 PM
I'll vote for (b)  :P

The bit I mainly refer to is the three dots at the bottom of Orion ... ie the top from the UK.

Is this supposed to be Meissa ?  As normally, that star isn't included on the stick figure in the UK ... the Yanks being different, of course.
c ) pointillist

Yes, and tis so ( sticks tongue :P back out at im ) but I will conceed that I did not truly represent the apparant magnitudes, not being expected to anticipate a nit picker  :laugh: ( on a forum !! I shudav knowed better  :smiley-laughing: )
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Orion_IAU.svg)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Orion_IAU.svg
Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: fatso on December 18, 2015, 08:40:25 PM
Its Christmas please can I stay confused until new year ty.mike
Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: Newportnobby on December 18, 2015, 09:08:22 PM
Quote from: fatso on December 18, 2015, 08:40:25 PM
Its Christmas please can I stay confused until new year ty.mike

New mind New Year, Mike. I think I'd be eternally confused by that lot ???
Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: MikeDunn on December 18, 2015, 09:23:53 PM
Quote from: MalcolmAL on December 18, 2015, 08:35:47 PM
but I will conceed that I did not truly represent the apparant magnitudes, not being expected to anticipate a nit picker  :laugh: ( on a forum !! I shudav knowed better  :smiley-laughing: )
:P  :P  :P  :beers:

As this is a major interest of mine ...  ::)  That image from Wiki is indeed a Yank one (as I suspected; in this case, Sky & Telescope magazine)), us Brits ignore Meissa as being too dim for naked-eye inclusions (think it's between mag 3 & 4, offhand ?); just normally the main 4 (one per corner), the 3 in the Belt & the nebula for the Sword.
Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: fatso on December 18, 2015, 09:29:17 PM
Quote from: MikeDunn on December 18, 2015, 09:23:53 PM
Quote from: MalcolmAL on December 18, 2015, 08:35:47 PM
but I will conceed that I did not truly represent the apparant magnitudes, not being expected to anticipate a nit picker  :laugh: ( on a forum !! I shudav knowed better  :smiley-laughing: )
:P  :P  :P  :beers:

As this is a major interest of mine ...  ::)  That image from Wiki is indeed a Yank one (as I suspected; in this case, Sky & Telescope magazine)), us Brits ignore Meissa as being too dim for naked-eye inclusions (think it's between mag 3 & 4, offhand ?); just normally the main 4 (one per corner), the 3 in the Belt & the nebula for the Sword.

Hey I believe you no problem hear.

Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: MalcolmInN on December 18, 2015, 09:34:03 PM
Quote from: MikeDunn on December 18, 2015, 09:23:53 PM
Quote from: MalcolmAL on December 18, 2015, 08:35:47 PM
but I will conceed that I did not truly represent the apparant magnitudes, not being expected to anticipate a nit picker  :laugh: ( on a forum !! I shudav knowed better  :smiley-laughing: )
:P  :P  :P  :beers:

As this is a major interest of mine ...  ::)  That image from Wiki is indeed a Yank one (as I suspected; in this case, Sky & Telescope magazine)), us Brits ignore Meissa as being too dim for naked-eye inclusions (think it's between mag 3 & 4, offhand ?); just normally the main 4 (one per corner), the 3 in the Belt & the nebula for the Sword.
:) :) :) and mine,
hang on a min. where did I put my Nortons, oh crumbs was he a yank as well,
I dont normally keep my chum Patrick's stuff but if you   insist  persist LOL I'll dig something out,
but I assure you it is commonly,
and my NELM is routine 5, often 5.5 and (when my eyes were younger ) sometimes bettern6
So there
hehe gud'un
:beers:
(dont worry mods. it isnt a real war )

Sorry NPN and fatso, but tiz all his fault ;)
Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: dannyboy on December 18, 2015, 09:42:33 PM
Wot you lot on about? ??? :confused2: :hmmm:. David.
Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: fatso on December 18, 2015, 09:46:19 PM
Quote from: MalcolmAL on December 18, 2015, 09:34:03 PM
Quote from: MikeDunn on December 18, 2015, 09:23:53 PM
Quote from: MalcolmAL on December 18, 2015, 08:35:47 PM
but I will conceed that I did not truly represent the apparant magnitudes, not being expected to anticipate a nit picker  :laugh: ( on a forum !! I shudav knowed better  :smiley-laughing: )
:P  :P  :P  :beers:

As this is a major interest of mine ...  ::)  That image from Wiki is indeed a Yank one (as I suspected; in this case, Sky & Telescope magazine)), us Brits ignore Meissa as being too dim for naked-eye inclusions (think it's between mag 3 & 4, offhand ?); just normally the main 4 (one per corner), the 3 in the Belt & the nebula for the Sword.
:) :) :) and mine,
hang on a min. where did I put my Nortons, oh crumbs was he a yank as well,
I dont normally keep my chum Patrick's stuff but if you   insist  persist LOL I'll dig something out,
but I assure you it is commonly,
and my NELM is routine 5, often 5.5 and (when my eyes were younger ) sometimes bettern6
So there
hehe gud'un
:beers:
(dont worry mods. it isnt a real war )

Sorry NPN and fatso, but tiz all his fault ;)

Don't panic help will be with you soon
Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: MalcolmInN on December 18, 2015, 10:11:22 PM
Quote from: MalcolmAL on December 18, 2015, 09:34:03 PM
(dont worry mods. it isnt a real war )
Well not yet anyway lol!

How about the Torygraph Mike, (or are they in hock to the yanks as well ?)
middle bottom :-
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02104/Telegraph-Skychart_2104072b.jpg (http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02104/Telegraph-Skychart_2104072b.jpg)
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02104/Telegraph-Skychart_2104072b.jpg)

Poor NinOz, look what we did to his topic, sorry from me.
Mike, I think we had better desist now else NPN, fatso et al will errr self destruct or something,

I enjoyed it,
you can have the last word :


Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: MikeDunn on December 19, 2015, 11:56:41 AM
If you insist on using the Torygraph  ::)

Have a gander @ Ursa Major  :P  Not to mention the massive head on Andromeda's shoulders  ::)  (yes, I know is the Square of Pegasus, but the way they present it ...  :smiley-laughing:)
Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: Agrippa on December 19, 2015, 12:29:33 PM
Quote from: MikeDunn on December 19, 2015, 11:56:41 AM
If you insist on using the Torygraph  ::)

No political statements allowed by order of the fuhrer !
Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: Trainfish on December 19, 2015, 12:56:57 PM
I spent all night drinking this (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33031.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33031)  and then I start reading this thread. Nothing computes. I think I need a lie down.
Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: MalcolmInN on December 19, 2015, 01:33:05 PM
Quote from: MikeDunn on December 19, 2015, 11:56:41 AM
Have a gander @
Beeeep : Deviation
Nicholas will be after you  :scowl:
Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: MikeDunn on December 19, 2015, 03:04:38 PM
Quote from: MalcolmAL on December 19, 2015, 01:33:05 PM
Beeeep : Deviation
Nicholas will be after you  :scowl:
Ooooh, Santa himself ? :o  Please sir, I've been a good boy  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: That which I had never seen before.
Post by: MalcolmInN on December 20, 2015, 02:30:47 AM
Quote from: MikeDunn on December 19, 2015, 03:04:38 PM
I've been a good boy
Really ? Come see me later in my study.

Back to Orion,
Norton (1910 pub in GB,, I still have my '64 Inglis ed.) shows im/it,
anyhow, he'd look pretty silly if he had no head, 'specially dahnunner standing on it !

What's the bet we'll still be debating this when Beetlejuice goes Sn ? :) and if that isnt a cue for a new debate/hope I dunno what is