Hi Guys,
Can anyone explain to me what the difference is between the Graham Farish blue/grey MK1's part # 374-055E and 374-062C.
I have 2 rakes made up of 374-062 but I need another rake. I see Farish don't have any in their new line up but they do have
a 374-055E soon to be released. Both are described as MK1 SK Corridor.
Thanks,
Jamie
I think you will find that the only difference is the running number i.e. the number on the side of the coach itself. It looks like the coaches you already have are BR Western Region coaches (the running number starts with a W), whereas the new release 374-055E looks like it will be an Eastern Region coach (with a running number starting with E).
All coaches had a unique number and tended to run in a rake from the same region. However, things did tend to get mixed up from time to time as I'm sure others can attest to!
So to be completely true to prototype, each coach should have a unique running number and most rakes should have coaches with the same regional prefix (W, E, M, S or SC). In reality though, when a moving N gauge train is viewed from a distance of about 6 inches I would wager that very few can read the running numbers!
Quote from: Chetcombe on October 21, 2015, 04:53:25 AM
I think you will find that the only difference is the running number i.e. the number on the side of the coach itself. It looks like the coaches you already have are BR Western Region coaches (the running number starts with a W), whereas the new release 374-055E looks like it will be an Eastern Region coach (with a running number starting with E).
All coaches had a unique number and tended to run in a rake from the same region. However, things did tend to get mixed up from time to time as I'm sure others can attest to!
So to be completely true to prototype, each coach should have a unique running number and most rakes should have coaches with the same regional prefix (W, E, M, S or SC). In reality though, when a moving N gauge train is viewed from a distance of about 6 inches I would wager that very few can read the running numbers!
Mike is spot on.
At places like Plymouth trains of perhaps 10 - 12 vehicles would often be reduced to about 5 -6 for the rest of the journey into Cornwall, including more often than not the removal of the buffet car ::) leaving Penzance bound passengers with a two hour trip each way and unable to even get a cuppa :'(!
Those coaches might well then have been added to another train which, if an inter regional, explains how the various vehicles became mixed up.
Parcels workings were particularly vulnerable to such inter mixing for obvious reasons.
You don't say which dates you layout is set Jamie but between 1966 and around 1974 it was not unusual for blue/grey and maroon coaches to run as part of the same rake which might well be hauled by a green loco.
And don't forget too that some ex LNER coaches and vans, in particular a Gresley buffet in blue, were commonly found in BRWR formations in the early 1970s adding further variety to your formation. But DON'T overdo the LNER stuff or it will begin to look like an LNER layout in the wrong colours :-[!
Best wishes,
Greg.
Quote from: Chetcombe on October 21, 2015, 04:53:25 AM
In reality though, when a moving N gauge train is viewed from a distance of about 6 inches I would wager that very few can read the running numbers!
Exactly the point I was making in another thread about mineral wagons.
Thank you for the info Mike and Greg.
I thought it may have been just that or something very similar but wanted to be sure. Both coaches were described as the same type.
My layout will be based around the late 70's to early 80's British Railways. The majority of the loco's will be blue with the odd green 47
thrown in. All the coaches will be blue/grey and the location will be a fictitious one.
And by the way, all my loco's will be renumbered but the coaches and wagons will not. I struggle to see the loco numbers let alone coaches and wagons.
Jamie
I 100% agree with the answers giving so far, no doubt it's the fact Bachmann have changed the item number from 374-062C to 374-055E
when you may expect to see 374-062D and are presently failing to show an image on their website of this forthcoming product
does make for a little confusion. ???
john
Well, I don't have anymore time right now I'm leaving for work. I just did a side by side comparison with 374-062C
and 374-055D on hattons website. They take multiple photo's. You guys are correct about the region (E vs W) in the number.
I did however notice the quality between the two were different. It almost looks like the 374-055D is not blue ribband where
the 374-062C is.
Interesting.
Jamie
The difference should be :
374-062C
Commonwealth bogies
374-055E
B1 bogies
You're right, 47033, the "original" 374-055 is not blue riband but 062 is. In my opinion the blue riband ones are far better and all of my Mk 1's are this newer variant and look superb. Farish seem to have got their catalogue numbers a bit mixed up cos 055E would normally be a renumbered reissue of the older 055, but I can't see them issuing a non-blue riband model, so it does seem like it'll be blue riband.
It's always worth taking a closer look at photos of the actual model when buying though, to double check that any new additions you get match the ones you already have - a mixture of old and new models really stands out I feel. I've nearly been "caught out" a few times.
I think Farish screwed up the catalogue numbers.. 374-055/055A/055B/055C/055D are flush printed side coaches which are now discontinued.
Farish have released Mk1 SK in Blue/Grey as 374-062/062A/062B and the next release "should" be 374-062C Which Farish have described as 374-055E in the catalogue. There are a few other errors in there as well..
Cheers
Mark
Quote from: scruff on October 21, 2015, 06:22:46 PM
I think Farish screwed up the catalogue numbers.. 374-055/055A/055B/055C/055D are flush printed side coaches which are now discontinued.
Farish have released Mk1 SK in Blue/Grey as 374-062/062A/062B and the next release "should" be 374-062C Which Farish have described as 374-055E in the catalogue. There are a few other errors in there as well..
Cheers
Mark
There's a similar error with the BR(S) Green SK announced earlier this year. The 'new' one is cat 374-051D when the next Blue Riband version should be 374-063C...
I would of thought that the forthcoming coach will be the blue riband type but this time fitted with as mjkerr pointed out the B1 bogies
and with no official image on the bachmann website, retailers may have just used an older one. This theory may also apply to other coaches in different liveries.
John.
Mark,
I hope you are right. What you have said does make sense and I think I will contact Farish for clarification.
Having said that I believe not too long ago I did see a catalogue item for 374-062C which has since disappeared. That would fall inline with your theory about
the 374-055E taking it's place.
Jamie
Quote from: 47033 on October 22, 2015, 09:16:37 AM
Having said that I believe not too long ago I did see a catalogue item for 374-062C which has since disappeared. That would fall inline with your theory about
the 374-055E taking it's place.
Jamie
374-062C did, indeed, appear in the 2013/14 Farish catalogue
With all Farish models if the number is the same but the letter at the end different this indicates the same model just with a different number. The only exception I can think of is the 47s, where the first batch had too big a gap between the bogie and body, and the next (and subsequent) batches had the design changed slightly to correct this (but had the same item number just with a different letter, and of course different running number).
Thank you for your interest in our products.
I can confirm that the only difference between item Nos. 374-062C and 374-055E will be the running number.
I trust this information is of interest to you,
Kind regards
Richard Proudman
This is the reply I received from Graham Farish to the question I posed regarding the difference between the two and if 374-055E was the latest blue ribband. Great, another rake of Blue/Grey MK1 compo's will be coming my way.
Jamie
Glad you're able to get the rake you want.
I understand that the Blue Riband description has been dropped. It's going confused me too!
Doesn't the repeat issue of a GF part number but with a different suffix denote a production re-run but with (perhaps) the running number changes as mentioned, or am I confused about that as well?
There was a thread earlier this year on the topic. http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=27616.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=27616.0)
Dave G
In rakes of blue/grey Mark 1 coaches on the Southern region, there was invariably a mix of different bogie types. The question is, were some coaches fitted with a different bogie at each end ?
I think each coach was fitted with both bogies matching.
I don't ever recall seeing a coach with different bogies at each end.
Cheers
Mark
I don't recall ever seeing different bogies on the same coach either, that being said I don't remember looking that often.
Some kitchen cars had a B4 one end and a B5 the other. As nobody does the B5 variant I wouldn't worry ;)
Apart from that I'm not aware of any mismatches. The kitchen cars were special as all the weight was one end.
Alan