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Hey,

A few of us (my mates and I) were thinking about the possibilities of seeing a brand new N gauge Class 92 from Hornby-Arnold. We started a poll on RMweb that includes both the polls for the N gauge and OO gauge model. I would love to reach out to as many people as possible even in the N gauge world too gauge the interest in the Class 92 in N scale.

I'd really be happy if the modern image N gauge modelers here who'd love a Class 92 can fill in the poll and spread the word.

Use the link below to take the poll. (You need an RMweb account to do so).
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/96681-poll-for-a-re-tooled-hornby-class-92-andor-a-new-hornbyarnold-class-92/?p=1803466 (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/96681-poll-for-a-re-tooled-hornby-class-92-andor-a-new-hornbyarnold-class-92/?p=1803466)

Please spread the word. If the poll is successful, we plan on showing the results to Hornby-Arnold and see if the have some interest. If not we can always approach the likes of DJM, Rapido or Revolution Trains.

Cheers!
JB.
(Class92FAN)

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Jeff

I completed the poll on RMweb, but to vote on an N gauge 92 requires you to answer all the other questions about upgrading Hornby's 4mm model which may put people off responding.

Cheers, Mike

Agree with Mike. By filling in the bits about OO, it would give the impression that I'm interested in that gauge, which I'm not.......that would perhaps inflate your OO figures, which could lead to a disparity in future. If you can fix the poll, I'll vote for an N-Gauge one....

I'm interested in a Class 92 or two. Don't really want to have to sign up to another site to vote though. Can't you do a poll on this thread too? I think you'll get more responses.

I think the first question is the most valid.

Hornby's 92 and the Eurostar they released the previous year were both pretty poor models by 1996/1997 standards, never mind current standards. At the very least they need to crack out the tooling for the old Lima 92, which is probably in good nick since it was a limited edition.

Now where's my shrink-ray gun?

JB

(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/jivebunnystudios/IMG_2886_zpsca75dd73.jpg)

I'd love a 92, seriously considering co CJM one. Agree with others though, that survey is too biased toward OO to give an accurate result.

Hi,

Sorry about that, my first time conducting a poll, it was originally meant for an OO gauge version. The N scale one is actually a later add-on. I will try modifying the poll accordingly.

Cheers!
J.

Hi,

Since the poll cannot be modified fully I've done my best to make slight changes to the current poll so that you can atleast choose options for the N gauge one. Options that are meant for OO only have been clearly marked. Please do accept my sincere apologies. It's my first time conducting a poll that was originally meant for a OO gauge version. Please don't let that slight defect deter you. In the features option you can choose the stuff you like for your N gauge version.

You have a list of liveries to choose from too. I've modified it as best as I can think of. Please do pass on more suggestions if needed. Atleast if you show your interest then we can have a proper online poll and show Hornby.

I am still new to this forum and hence will take time learning the format. I will introduce a poll soon.

Cheers
J.

Hi,

Poll added. It's very basic. Just a yes or no. Lets gauge some interest in N gauge shall we? I have no really gone on to add any features in the poll because Arnold has a standard set of features for the releases now. However some features that would be well suited are listed below

- 6-pin DCC ready or DCC fitted
- Highly detailed body shell and chassis with etched metal details (grilles and Channel Tunnel logos)
- NEM couplings
- Extra details
- RP25 profile wheels
- Die-cast metal chassis with a centrally monted motor and twin fly-wheels.
- Sprung loaded plastic Brecknell-Willis HS pantographs
- Cab detail
- Working head and tail lights

Cheers
J.

PS: Any other features can be listed by you'll.

I have to say fair play for you for posting up, nothing ventured, nothing gained.  I like the class 92, but only on pics -never actually seen one so means very little to me.

...Personally I'd rather lobby for re-runs of existing stock, or reliveries, which everyone seems crying out for to some extent. OR lobbying for out of stock items way past their best.    Appreciate we must always invest in new things, but not sure what to suggest, Dapol and GF seem to slip so bad on delivery dates as-is. .  I don't normally comment on posts such as this, but such is my feelings.  Just being honest :thumbsup:

QuoteI have to say fair play for you for posting up, nothing ventured, nothing gained.  I like the class 92, but only on pics -never actually seen one so means very little to me.

...Personally I'd rather lobby for re-runs of existing stock, or reliveries, which everyone seems crying out for to some extent. OR lobbying for out of stock items way past their best.    Appreciate we must always invest in new things, but not sure what to suggest, Dapol and GF seem to slip so bad on delivery dates as-is. .  I don't normally comment on posts such as this, but such is my feelings.  Just being honest :thumbsup:

Hi,

I myself have never seen a Class 92 in flesh ever since my grandfather and father migrated from the UK. But the Class 92 remains my favorite AC Electric loco from The UK. The current OO scale offering isn't at all upto standards and needs to be scrapped. There is only one current N gauge offering from CJM which not everyone can afford.

Cheers!
J.

Yes fair enough, have you checked with these guys though.

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=5668.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=5668.0)

Hi,

I have seen that. A great amount of effort has gone into that, absolutely love it. Though I must admit we are looking into getting manufacturer to make a full fledged RTR one.

I wouldn't mind buying a kit. The problem is the number of other parts that need to be bought and the work after that. As of now I have limited time. Most of my time goes into designing some HO scale models.

Cheers!
J

OK, have you checked the kickstarter / crowdfunding thread also?  Allot of guys (and gals) put allot of effort into getting a Pendolino and raising funds for manufacture and there may be a channel to get a new niche product manufactured these days through the guys in the know.

Hi RST,

Yes I have, but I am taking a slightly different approach to this. A crowd-funding project is also good but again if you don't reach the target then nothing is done.

What I propose to do is look out and see if there are atleast a good number of people who want one. If it qualifies and if Hornby or Arnold are willing to do it then all is well.

If not I plan on contacting Revolution Trains and ask for their assistance in a Class 92 in either N gauge or OO gauge.As you may know, it's Revolution Trains who are behind the N gauge Pendolino. They may either get DJM or Rapido to produce their products. So if Hornby don't do so, then we will surely contact Revolution Trains for a crowd funding project.

Cheers
J.

Hi JB,

Cool -as long as you explored the options as N gauge isn't that well supported in general IMO.  Afraid I'm out buddy, I'd much rather push to have a few re-runs of previous stock so far and existing manufacturers commit to meeting upcoming deliverables which always intolerably slip but appreciate the need for new stuff also.  The other guys may have their own wants for Hornby / Arnold I think.  All the best with it.

Rich

I take your point Rich, but the basis for this is that Hornby are inviting opinion on new models. So reruns of other brand's models are out of the question.

Hi J, well done for your enthusiasm, can you please stop writing in bold though!

Dont know what anyone else thinks but in teal I think it looks rather smart!!

Quote from: Arrachogaidh on March 08, 2015, 07:06:20 PM
In new Caledonian Sleeper "Midnight Teal" perhaps?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzTYyDQLpak (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzTYyDQLpak)

That is indeed the livery I am after. EPS, RfD, EWS, Triple Grey and Caledonian are the liveries that most people want in the poll. GBRf and DB Schenker weren't too popular.

Cheers!
Jeff.

Quote from: acko22 on March 09, 2015, 12:17:27 AM
Dont know what anyone else thinks but in teal I think it looks rather smart!!

I personally think it'e the best livery the Class 92 ever wore apart from EPS, RfD and Triple Grey.

Cheers!
J.

PS: What is the EPS livery? Is it the same as RfD and Triple grey?

I'd really welcome a 92, but it would have to be in modern liveries for me, in order of preference:

1) DB Schenker
2) Triple Grey with EWS Beastie Logos
3) GBRf
4) EWS

Cheers, Mark.

Railfreight Distribution and the EPS livery (as well as the EWS vinyled TTG 92s) were essentially just slightly different brandings on the TTG livery.

All the 92s were delivered in TTG. Some had SNCF, RfD or EPS branding.

You'd be mad not to do DBS or GBRf liveries as things get re-painted and brought into use!

Cheers, Mike

Hi Vonzack and Red-Death,

I fully agree with you'll. I'd prefer modern too. For sometime on RMweb the older liveries had more votes. I will check back today. Now obviously if the model is made by a manufacturer then all the liveries will appear over a span of a few years.

I'm sure EPS, EWS and DBS and the ones that will sell most. But we can probably have a poll for that later.

Cheers,
J.

PS: As always, do spread the word, it'll be nice if people can vote here and on RMweb too. Thanks!

Hey

At 12AM IST when I checked up RMweb the liveries that topped the poll were as follows:-
- RfD (37)
- EWS (28)
- GBRf (23)
- DB Schenker (20)
- EPS (19)

Jeff.

not interested in a 92. Far too modern for me. Now a "fell" or the LM twins that would float my boat.

whilst I like the class 92 I wouldn't buy one as I don't have an electrified layout

if they wanted to make an ac electric loco, then how about the class 81?  maybe an earlier electric would have more appeal?  or an early ac emu even?




tim

Not for me but how about going totally original and having a model of the new stock for the London = Bristol electrification what ever the designation is going to be.
[smg id=22638 type=preview align=center caption="new loco"]

I wouldn't buy one, it isn't my ere or sufficiently attractive a a "Rule 1* model.

I would prefer the next Hornby N model to be a steam prototype, personally.

That said I can see a logic for the model alongside a re-tooled 00 version and I would think will sell reasonably well. After all any further N models from Hornby have to be a positive step especially given the relative slow down by the other key players.

Roy

Quote from: Ditape on March 10, 2015, 08:07:01 PM
Not for me but how about going totally original and having a model of the new stock for the London = Bristol electrification what ever the designation is going to be.

I'd be very surprised if the Class 800 isn't already in Hornby's plans, at least in 00, although in the flesh it looks rather different to the early drawings such as the one you've posted.

JB

(http://www.railtechnologymagazine.com/write/MediaUploads/Intercity.jpg)

Quote from: jivebunny on March 10, 2015, 09:02:44 PM

Quote from: Ditape on March 10, 2015, 08:07:01 PM
Not for me but how about going totally original and having a model of the new stock for the London = Bristol electrification what ever the designation is going to be.

I'd be very surprised if the Class 800 isn't already in Hornby's plans, at least in 00, although in the flesh it looks rather different to the early drawings such as the one you've posted.

JB

(http://www.railtechnologymagazine.com/write/MediaUploads/Intercity.jpg)

With that droopy yellow nose it looks like a womble  :D

with the new Hitachi plant opening at Newton Aycliffe , that's what they should focus on .....

or the new thameslink or crossrail trains...

but agree the hitachi class 800/801 would be a bigger seller as children are more likely to want it in a set than thameslink / crossrail new stock, or a class 81, 92 etc. etc...

maybe Hornby/Arnold will make a pendolino in n gauge just to throw a spanner in the works...



tim

Barring any major foul-ups, in five to ten years' time the 800 and 801 classes will probably be as commonplace as the 125s and 225s were in the early 90s (though these will no doubt still be around to ensure the railway retains some proper traction perform lesser duties).

Hornby not having these in their line-up when they become established as Britain's new flagship trains would seem to me just as odd as their 1991 catalogue not having this beastie on the front of it (which incidentally is the subject of a similar thread!)

JB

(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/jivebunnystudios/DD1FA2F4-BF08-41F8-8C5C-A3C3028CDF55_zpsafdzkr9o.jpg)

Quote from: bluedepot on March 11, 2015, 07:44:48 PM
or the new thameslink or crossrail trains...

but agree the hitachi class 800/801 would be a bigger seller as children are more likely to want it in a set than thameslink / crossrail new stock, or a class 81, 92 etc. etc...

maybe Hornby/Arnold will make a pendolino in n gauge just to throw a spanner in the works...



tim

I think with the Pendolino already been made albeit in an initial limited number they will keep clear of it as there is already a model out there. However if they wanted to do something like a Javelin or a class 180 then that would be a good one for me although a 92 is higher up the wanted list for me!

Hello Tim,

If Hornby/Arnold were thinking of a Pendolino they've already lost nearly 800 orders that have already been placed - and paid for (some 100%, some 50%) - for the Rapido/Revolution version that's coming.

And then they'd have to release it undecorated, or risk the possibility of incurring Virgin's wrath as they won't have permission to use the livery in N.  Nor would they be able to release a version in Poppy livery, without permission of the Royal British Legion, which I know from experience is not easy to secure!

But apart from that, yes, Hornby Arnold could, I suppose, release a Pendolino!

cheers

Ben A.