:hellosign: I must be missing something...
Farish/Bachmann are announcing their new 2015/6 range tomorrow and there is no thread on the subject that I can find on here... :hmmm: :confused1:
Yours puzzledly :D
Mark
Every body has been so busy telling Hornby what they should be doing they forgot to post their must have's wouldn't it be nice if Farish produced list. Either that or they know that they will probably have years to wait to see anything that is announced as new rather than as an updated progress report. :unimpressed: :laugh: :bounce:
Updated 170s for me. That's all.
Oh and a Colas 37.
And a DB Schenker 37...
And....
I'll just wait and see...
C. ;)
Anything Western for me please (a 4700 would be nice :angel: ).
Failing that, how about actually releasing the 64xx, autocoaches, Castle and Hawksworth coaches they announced 2 years ago! :veryangry:
Quote from: Only Me on March 02, 2015, 09:30:53 AM
Great news, we should expect to see these in 2020 then :)
Is that 20/20 vision, Paul? :D
Looking at the OO gauge range
I reckon a retooled 25/3, Class 40 and Class 90
The old style class 87 was discontinued this year, so that may be an option on a class 90 chassis.
Maybe 10000/01
I will just keep taking Tea breaks this morning to pop into the office to have a gander at their site, Also the new east coast Virgin trains livery gets unveiled today
Mark
Rmours I have heard suggest 3 new releases for N Gauge. Whether this is 3 in total or 3 locos (with separate stock) I am not sure. We should find out in a few hours.
One more wish in the 3 hours remaining......
City of Truro
City of Truro
City of Truro
City of Truro
......
:angel:
I have no idea in truth, but looking at the "old" Farish range and those already produced in 00, two stand out, the Crab and Class 40.
However I am prepared to be completely underwhelmed - last year three "newly tooled" items turned out to be a nice but somewhat limited in appeal "Birdcage" set.
Not holding my breath really...
Roy
I heard from a different source that one of the items will be a retool of an old Farish steamer. If this is true then the Crab is one possible contender (although i would prefer a large Priarie or King....)
It would be lovely to see something totally unexpected. I wouldn't want a City of Truro personally, but something like that.
Roy
I would think that retooled versions of the 8F & 25/3 would be popular.
I would also like to see a Standard Class 4 (75xxx series) & a Co-Bo. Both unlikely I think.
I would like...
Class 47 in original XP64 livery please.
MKII coaches in BR maroon.
Shark brake van.
Paddy
Never going to happen but another southern EMU would be good. 465 Networker would be fantastic but not likely to be in the shops anytime soon...
I'm surprised they haven't shrunk the 2EPB down.
Cheers, Mike
If they did that i would be in like Flynn with my order. Probably one of the most widely spread EMUs.
Now if they put the two centre coaches in - that would be even better...
It's gone up on the website:
"Graham Farish also sees new additions to the ever growing range including the the LNER J72, a special Midland Pullman train pack, Queen Mary brake vans, Hawksworth coaches in chocolate & cream livery the newly tooled Class 40 and a Class 108 with sound, a first for N scale modelling."
Not much info but interesting.
Am definitely liking the class 40 announcement :claphappy:
Quote from: Brooksy on March 02, 2015, 01:04:35 PM
a special Midland Pullman train pack
???
Weed killer train?? Well I cant get on the website right now but IF thats in N gauge thank you farish!!!
Apart from that a rather safe if not boring offering from farish only question is will that be 2015/16 with a small delay of 2 to 5 years?
Quote from: newportnobby on March 02, 2015, 01:07:02 PM
???
More info here:
http://www.bachmann.co.uk/details.php?id=337 (http://www.bachmann.co.uk/details.php?id=337)
Does seem strange. I reckon it could be all their unsold stock put into a new box.
Very disappointing for modern image modellers..............
Nobody saw that coming ! By the time it hits the shops the weeds will be 50 ft high,
let us spray!
Quote from: Brooksy on March 02, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: newportnobby on March 02, 2015, 01:07:02 PM
???
More info here:
http://www.bachmann.co.uk/details.php?id=337 (http://www.bachmann.co.uk/details.php?id=337)
Does seem strange. I reckon it could be all their unsold stock put into a new box.
Thanks for that, although I think you may be right. The Nanking blue one sold pretty well, though, as against the custard dipped version :hmmm:
Quote from: Brooksy on March 02, 2015, 01:04:35 PM
...Queen Mary brake vans...
Does that mean the NGS one isn't an exclusive any more?
Cheers, NeMo
Quote from: newportnobby on March 02, 2015, 01:17:08 PM
Thanks for that, although I think you may be right. The Nanking blue one sold pretty well, though, as against the custard dipped version :hmmm:
Not well enough to consider bringing out a Midland Pullman train pack though, surely? Hattons have still got them in stock (both versions).
Well a retooled 40 at last, that's good news. I'll be in for a couple of them :)
Culled from RMWeb:
J72 joins the roster
The J72 0-6-0T is very special to Bachmann. It was the first OO locomotive to be released by Bachmann when it commenced trading in 1989 and now 25 years later it will appear as part of the Graham Farish range. Over the last 25 years British N scale has seen significant improvements and the new J72 Class locomotive will carry a level of detail that could only be dreamed of in N scale 25 years ago.
372-825 J72 Class 0-6-0T No. 8680 in LNER Lined Green
372-826 J72 Class 0-6-0T No. 69001 in BR Black with early emblem
372-827 J72 Class 0-6-0T No. 69028 in BR Black with late crest
New Class 40
The English Electric Class 40 diesel locomotive will return to the Graham Farish range in 2015 with a new DCC ready chassis, working directional lights and a brand new highly-detailed body shell. Introduced on top-link passenger services in 1958, the class numbered 200 examples which would eventually see use on mixed traffic duties following the introduction of more powerful classes on express passenger workings. The 40s were nicknamed 'Whistlers' due to their distinctive exhaust sound and the class became popular with enthusiasts as they could be seen across most of the network. This popularity has continued into preservation with seven examples surviving following withdrawal from BR service.
371-180 Class 40 No. D211 'Mauretania' in BR Green with indicator discs
371-181 Class 40 No. D369 in BR Green, centre headcode and small yellow warning panel
371-182 Class 40 No. 40159 in BR Blue, centre head code and full yellow ends
Sounding off – DCC SOUND Class 108
Taking N scale advancements to the next level, this year sees the introduction of the first ready to run sound fitted model for the British N scale ready to run market. Our popular Class 108 diesel multiple unit will be partnered with the latest generation of DCC sound decoder and speaker giving British N scale modellers access to the world of DCC sound for the first time in a ready to run model.
371-876DS Class 108 in BR Blue with DCC SOUND
Queen Mary Brake Van
The Southern Railway was unique in the UK by operating some large bogie brake vans. These were nicknamed Queen Mary's due to their large size and their luxury that was not normally afforded to Guards working goods trains. 21 former LB&SCR motor luggage vans provided the bogie chassis on to which the brake van itself was constructed from 1933 onwards. Some remained in departmental service up until 2008 and a number have been preserved. This model appears in the Graham Farish catalogue for the first time.
377-875 25 Ton Queen Mary brake van in SR Brown with small lettering
377-876 25 Ton Queen Mary brake van in BR Bauxite
377-877 25 Ton Queen Mary brake van in EWS livery
Ready for Inspection
This year sees the introduction of the LMS 50ft Inspection Saloon in to the Graham Farish catalogue range for the first time, a model which will add a new dimension to any layout. Used by engineers and railway management to inspect track and infrastructure, these coaches generally ran alone and could be hauled or propelled by either a steam or diesel locomotive depending on the era.
374-875 LMS 50ft Inspection Saloon in LMS Crimson Lake
374-876 LMS 50ft Inspection Saloon in BR Maroon
374-877 LMS 50ft Inspection Saloon in BR Blue & Grey
NEW Scenecraft Buildings, Accessories & Figures
42-003 Cattle dock
42-017 Modern Servicing Depot
42-040 Fuelling point
42-107 Red brick walls and gates
42-146 Yard crane
42-150 Road side farm shop
42-177 Line side control cabin
42-181 Depot Hoist
42-182 Ground frame hut
42-190 Crossing keepers cottage
42-191 Red Star Parcels office
42-192 Platform buffet
42-194 Taxi office
41-199 Oakworth station building
42-219 Low Relief Stone factory
42-228 Low Relief double track tunnel portal
42-232 Low Relief pub
42-234 Low Relief public convenience
42-246 Low Relief Terraces
42-542 Concrete platform lamps (x4)
42-544 Pent roof garden shed
42-545 Tarpaulin covered wagon loads (x4)
42-547 Cycle cabinets
42-551 Coal loads for 4 wheel wagons (x4)
42-552 Ballast loads for 4 wheel wagons (x4)
42-0019 Thatched cottage
42-0049 Church
Graham Farish N scale
New releases of existing products
Train Packs
370-425
Midland Pullman Train Pack
Locomotives
371-015C
Class 08 Diesel No. 08672 in BR Blue with Wasp Stripes
371-021A
Class 08 Diesel No. D3785 in BR Plain Green with late crest
371-035
Class 20 Twin Pack Nos. 20904 'Janis' & 20906 'Georgina' in Hunslet-Barclay Grey
371-050C
Class 04 Diesel No. D2283 in BR Green with Wasp Stripes
371-051C
Class 04 Diesel No. D2295 in BR Blue with Wasp Stripes
371-054
Class 04 Diesel No. D2332 'Lloyd in NCB Yellow
371-350A
Class 60 No. 60035 in EWS Maroon
371-357
Class 60 No. 60057 'Adam Smith' in BR Coal Sector Grey
371-358
Class 60 No. 60021 in Colas Yellow, Orange & Black
371-383A
Class 66 No. 66101 in DB Schenker Red
371-397
Class 66 No. 66434 in DRS Plain Blue Compass livery
371-876DS
Class 108 2 Car DMU in BR Blue with DCC SOUND
Coaches
374-010D
BR MK1 Second Open (SO) in BR Crimson & Cream
374-012D
BR MK1 Second Open (SO) in BR Maroon
374-013C
BR MK1 Second Open (SO) in BR Blue & Grey
374-014
BR MK1 Second Open (SO) in BR Intercity
374-035A
BR MK1 BG in BR Crimson & Cream
374-036B
BR MK1 BG in BR Maroon
374-039B
BR MK1 BG in BR Blue & Grey
374-042
BR MK1 BG in BR Intercity
374-050F
BR MK1 Corridor Second (SK) in BR Crimson & Cream
374-051D
BR MK1 Corridor Second (SK) in BR (S) Green
374-053G
BR MK1 Corridor Second (SK) in BR Maroon
374-055E
BR MK1 Corridor Second (SK) in BR Blue & Grey
374-081A
BR MK1 Brake Corridor Composite (BCK) in BR Crimson & Cream
374-083A
BR MK1 Brake Corridor Composite (BCK) in BR (S) Green
374-087
BR MK1 Brake Corridor Composite (BCK) in BR Intercity
374-107A
BR MK1 Miniature Buffet (RMB) in BR Maroon
374-110A
BR MK1 Miniature Buffet (RMB) in BR Blue & Grey
374-135
BR MK1 GUV in BR Satlink Red & Yellow
374-161A
BR MK1 Corridor First (FK) in BR Maroon
374-165
BR MK1 Corridor First (FK) in BR Intercity
374-185C
BR MK1 Brake Corridor Second (BSK) in BR Crimson & Cream
374-188C
BR MK1 Brake Corridor Second (BSK) in BR Blue & Grey
374-192
BR MK1 Brake Corridor Second (BSK) in BR Intercity
374-200E
BR MK1 Pullman First Parlour (FP) 'Pearl' in Umber & Cream (white roof)
374-202
BR MK1 Pullman First Parlour (FP) 'Ruby' in Umber & Cream (grey roof)
374-210E
BR MK1 Pullman Second Parlour (SP) Car No. 353 in Umber & Cream (white roof)
374-212
BR MK1 Pullman Second Parlour (SP) Car No. 352 in Umber & Cream (grey roof)
374-220D
BR MK1 Pullman First Kitchen (FK) 'Robin' in Umber & Cream (white roof)
374-222
BR MK1 Pullman First Kitchen (FK) 'Thrush' in Umber & Cream (grey roof)
374-230D
BR MK1 Pullman Second Kitchen (SK) Car No. 340 in Umber & Cream (white roof)
374-232
BR MK1 Pullman Second Kitchen (SK) Car No. 343 in Umber & Cream (grey roof)
374-257C
BR MK1 Corridor Composite (CK) in BR Maroon
374-258C
BR MK1 Corridor Composite (CK) in BR Blue & Grey
374-511
GWR Hawksworth Brake Corridor Third in GWR Chocolate & Cream
374-536
GWR Hawksworth Corridor Third in GWR Chocolate & Cream
374-561
GWR Hawksworth Corridor Composite in GWR Chocolate & Cream
374-640
BR 4 Wheel CCT in BR Blue & Grey (weathered)
374-641
BR 4 Wheel CCT in BR Lined Maroon (weathered)
374-642
BR 4 Wheel CCT in BR Blue 'Express Parcels' (weathered)
374-643
BR 4 Wheel CCT in BR Yellow 'Re-Railing' livery
374-830C
Stanier Brake First in LMS Crimson Lake
374-831C
Stanier Brake First in BR Crimson & Cream
374-875
LMS 50ft Inspection Saloon in LMS Lined Crimson Lake
374-876
LMS 50ft Inspection Saloon in BR Maroon (with Maroon Ends)
374-877
LMS 50ft Inspection Saloon in BR Blue & Grey
374-902A
BR MK1 TPO in Blue & Grey
374-925A
BR MK1 Sleeper (SLSTP) in BR Maroon
374-926A
BR MK1 Sleeper (SLF) in BR Maroon
374-927A
BR MK1 Sleeper (SLSTP) in BR Blue & Grey
374-991
Bulleid Three Coach Set in BR (SR) Green
374-992
BR MK1 Twin Pack Hunslet-Barclay Weed Killing Train
Wagons
373-260C
8 Ton Cattle Wagon BR Bauxite (early)
373-261B
8 Ton Cattle Wagon GWR Grey
373-262B
8 Ton Ale Wagon BR Bauxite
373-575F
46 Tonne MEA Open Mineral Wagon EWS (weathered)
373-576A
46 Tonne MEA Open Mineral Wagon BR Railfreight Coal Sector (weathered)
373-600C
46 Ton VGA Sliding Wall Van EWS (weathered)
373-601C
46 Ton VGA Sliding Wall Van BR Railfreight Speedlink (weathered)
373-682
14 Ton Tank Wagon 'ICI' Maroon
373-741A
10 Ton Meat Van BR Bauxite (early)
373-742A
10 Ton Meat Van BR Bauxite (late)
373-776E
45 Tonne TTA Tank Wagon 'Esso'
373-779
45 Tonne TTA Tank Wagon 'ICI Menthol'
373-786
Triple Pack of 45 Tonne TTA Tank Wagons 'Hunslet-Barclay' Weed Killing Train
373-900F
46 Tonne HAA Hopper Wagon BR Freight Brown
373-902C
46 Tonne HAA Hopper Wagon BR Railfreight Coal Sector
373-926C
30 Ton Bogie Bolster BR Grey
373-927B
30 Ton Bogie Bolster GWR Grey
377-065
Coal Trader' Triple Pack of 5 Plank Wagons (weathered)
377-087
7 Plank End Door Wagon LMS Grey
377-088
7 Plank End Door Wagon GWR Grey
377-089
7 Plank End Door Wagon SR Brown
377-090
7 Plank End Door Wagon NE Grey
377-091
7 Plank End Door Wagon 'North End' Black
377-097
Coal Trader' Triple Pack of 7 Plank Wagons (weathered)
377-225D
16 Ton Mineral Wagon with Top Flap Doors BR Grey
377-452
16 Ton Slope Sided Mineral Wagon 'Boston Deep Sea Fishing' Grey
377-505
3 Plank Wagon BR Bauxite (early)
377-650A
MBA Megabox High Sided Bogie Box Wagon EWS (with buffers, weathered)
377-651A
MBA Megabox High Sided Bogie Box Wagon EWS (without buffers, weathered)
377-925A
PCA Metalair Bulk Powder Wagon 'Blue Circle Cement' Grey (weathered)
377-927A
PCA Metalair Bulk Powder Wagon Unbranded Grey (weathered)
and some updates:
Progress Updates
Graham Farish N Scale
Forthcoming
MK2F Coaches
Birdcage Coaches
SR Utility Vans
In the Drawing Office
GWR Castle Class
GWR 64xx Pannier Tank
BR Auto Trailer
In the Tool Room
BR 4MT Tank
BR 12T Pipe Wagon
Livery Samples awaited
GWR Hawksworth Coaches
SR Bogie B Van
In Production
SR Merchant Navy Class
SR N Class
LNER Class A2 (rework of assembly errors)
Class 47/7 Diesels
In Transit
Class 31
SR 12t Vent Vans
8 (eight) new Pullman coaches too - named ones being Pearl, Ruby, Robin and Thrush. They've diversified into birds!
Complete list looks better!!!
No surprise a 66 is in there! But class 20 pairs sounds like a good offering!
Ok queen mary brake van and inspection saloon were they ngs commissioned models?
Quote from: Brooksy on March 02, 2015, 01:29:47 PM
8 (eight) new Pullman coaches too - named ones being Pearl, Ruby, Robin and Thrush. They've diversified into birds!
Can they all be run in one train together? I notice the roofs are different colours....
The Queen Mary and Inspection Saloons were NGS commissions which we had 2(?) years exclusivity on.
A very conservative set of announcements from Farish.
I'll be interested when their sound fitted 108 arrives if it is actually the first factory fitted DCC sound UK model ;)
Cheers, Mike
If I am reading the site correctly it looks like I won't be buying any more Steam Locos they all appear to be DCC onboard and I am DC only Are they trying to force us old uns to go DCC if I did I would be sending Locos back for repair every week from all the crashes I would be having as I wouldn't remember all the numbers and codes for everything ,plus the prices are getting rather high this only makes the cost of the Poppylino ,which I'm getting for next Chistmas and 2016 Birthday an even better price I'm glad I Managed to persuade Val to let me pledge for it .
Bob
The NGS Queen Mary Brake van is a model of the new construction vans, not the original LBSC 'Milk Van' conversions (known as 'Gondolas' by the staff of the time), these had a different chassis, bogies and body style. If they are giving the history of the conversions then they may be a different tooling model, but I'm not holding my breath on that...
If the Inspection Saloons are to be on general issue then it looks like the NGS exclusivity period has expired, or will soon do so. Perhaps an NGS official could confirm? Oh, they did...
I see that this has slipped in 'under the radar' - will be interesting to see which one is proposed and whether the coaches and appropriate markings will be correct:
374-991 Bulleid Three Coach Set in BR (SR) Green
Pretty underwhelmed. Nothing new for GWR/WR modellers at all. :thumbsdown:
The only scrap of interest is that they are now producing the Hwksworth coaches in choc'n'cream as well as crimson and cream (they would have been daft not to really).
Quote from: scruff on March 01, 2015, 10:22:27 PM
:hellosign: I must be missing something...
Farish/Bachmann are announcing their new 2015/6 range tomorrow and there is no thread on the subject that I can find on here... :hmmm: :confused1:
Yours puzzledly :D
Mark
You mean "2017-2019" range I think
About time the people in the Drawing Office pulled their collective fingers out :unimpressed: :veryangry:
Quote from: acko22 on March 02, 2015, 01:33:14 PM
Complete list looks better!!!
No surprise a 66 is in there! But class 20 pairs sounds like a good offering!
Ok queen mary brake van and inspection saloon were they ngs commissioned models?
I believe the society got some kind of limited period exclusivity not permanent.
Class 20 pairs I think is good, but better would be one motorised one with a big speaker in it 8). I am glad to see the DMU with DCC sound out of the box has finally ended up somewhere. Hopefully that'll have a decent decoder and a cube speaker.
As a modern image modeller I'm liking the Colas 60 / DB Schenker 66 and the DRS 66.
Nice to see the Class 20 twin pack with the weed killing coaches and tanks. Pity they haven't thought to do a twin pack in a DRS livery to go with the flask wagons already produced. I'd also vote for one powered and one dummy ready for sound.
Hopefully, as most of the items are existing models, we have a good chance of seeing them in 2015/16, fingers crossed.
Interesting set of announcements.
I'm surprised a comment has not yet come up about the J72 which was announced by Dapol sometime ago. Now will we have another B1 and 66 on our hands where both come to market? Whatever happens I imagine a very slow race between the two!
Thankfully it would appear to be a cheap year for me. Chocolate/Cream Hawksworths are a welcome addition but I'm most pleased about the plank wagons being produced in Big 4 liveries. Aside from those there isn't a huge amount that is going on my pre-order list.
Another little thing I've noticed is that the next batch of Mk1 SKs have been announced with the product code for the older style coaches (printed sides).....
Cheers,
Ollie
:NGaugersRule:
Colas 60 & Schenker 66 will do me :thumbsup:
Interesting to see the 108 with sound. Price tba but I bet it won't be cheap.
Not much in the way of modern image (and modern standard!) DMU's sadly, just the 150. Maybe next year... :(
As I suspected, a period of consolidation for Farish and catch up with previously announced releases
From memory there are two updates each year now, so the second may have more new items
Once the ScotRail 47/7 and DBSO have been released I can then start on my repaints, as there won't be any more 37/4 or 47/4 in the next 2 years
Id love to see King class KING EDWARD 2 and Battle of Britain Tangmere..
Quote from: Ollie3440 on March 02, 2015, 02:16:36 PM
I'm surprised a comment has not yet come up about the J72 which was announced by Dapol sometime ago.....
To be brutally honest, Dapol were never going to be on to a winner when they announced the J72. In fact I said to them on their exhibition stand that it was a bad idea as it was only a matter of time before Farish shrink the Bachmann model. The only surprise is that Farish didn't announce it last year, as I had expected.
The 40 is definitely long overdue, especially now that the 00 model has been corrected so the shrink ray version should be spot on.
IC livery Mk1 coaches are a good call, especially for those who have bought Duchess of Hamilton. The only pity is there is no Mk1 FO and RU (should be an RBR but who's being picky when its not being made...) being released in the livery so that the charter rakes can be recreated...albeit with a rebrand and roof repaint. The biggest grin for me though is the handful of Maroon Mk1 coaches with no crap weathering ruining them!
The exclusivity running out on the NGS models is a good thing, it means that to get one you don't have to pay the ridiculous profiteer prices on Ebay for the liveries that have sold out. I'll be glad to finally be able to get my hands on a Blue/Grey saloon, but I bet it'll cost more than the NGS sold them for. I'm glad I ordered a maroon one when I did, the Farish one should be numbered differently though, so another may appear. What it also means is that the tooling has been done, so all they need is livery samples and production, so at least these should be seen sooner than later!
Quote from: norfolkguy83 on March 02, 2015, 02:55:53 PM
Id love to see King class KING EDWARD 2 and Battle of Britain Tangmere..
Dapol are doing the BoB - just don't ask me when :no: :unimpressed:
374-991 Bulleid Three Coach Set in BR (SR) Green
Finally, a set of coaches at last.
Thank you!
Gerry
As a newbie trying to model the BR Blue Era, and, trying to focus on the NW of England, I was dismayed to see the quality of the old Class 40. So I'm giving a major thumbs up for the 40!! Brilliant.
And coaches.... I've been trying to get a rake of TSO/SO's together and I was starting to worry that I'd rejoined the hobby just as a coach drought had struck! Let's hope they get the coaches in the shops soon.
So I just need Dapol to put a date on their Class 50 and I'm a happy man. (I know - I said the NW! - but they were always one of my favourites, sitting on the seawall by Dawlish Warren in the late 70's/early 80's, I'm allowed to run one just for old times sake!) :D
Doesn't look like I'll be spending much money with Farish this year. A bit surprised that not one of the 8F, Crab or 25/3 has been announced in retooled guise.
I might be tempted by a Green Class 40 as they did appear sporadically on the Midland main Line on Manchester-St.Pancras expresses in the early sixties.
I wouldn't normally be interested in a Class 08 but as D3785 was allocated to both Leiecter Sheds then it probably has a place on my next layout although this is still in the planning stage in my head.
Interesting that D5188 is sold out in the Farish Warehouse but the Weathered D5222 is not. Personally I don't wish to purchase weathered locos. I would have thought that a re-issue of a Class 25/1 with a different running number would sell well. I think that Farish often miss a trick with failing to issue models with different running numbers, Dapol seem to be able to do it.
Interesting also that both Blue Pullmans have disappearing from the Farish Website. Just the Train Pack and retailers stock now available.
I don't think the web site is sorted out yet, if the Loco list is representative.
As someone has remarked, they're all shown as DCC on board; there are no indicators of availability and there are 3 buses at the end of the list!
I'm glad that I read the site correctly as you say maybe they've not finished it yet will look again tomorrow.
Bob
The weedkiller train looks nice! Also the class 40's & maybe the intercity mk1 & mk2F coaches I may be interested in, have a few years to save up for them :D Not much else to interest me though apart from the class 31 that's on its way. No re-run of blue/grey Mk2A coaches mentioned either :(
cheers, Stu.
Not much for me to get excited about which is good as I haven't got enough pocket money at the moment and probably won't have for a few months either. I may want the class 40 in BR blue though as I like locos with 'noses'. Actually I like any diesel in BR blue.
One item did make me chuckle though
42-234 Low Relief public convenience
Surely any public convenience is full relief isn't it?
Quote from: Thorpe Parva on March 02, 2015, 04:19:46 PM
Doesn't look like I'll be spending much money with Farish this year. A bit surprised that not one of the 8F, Crab or 25/3 has been announced in retooled guise.
Interesting that D5188 is sold out in the Farish Warehouse but the Weathered D5222 is not. Personally I don't wish to purchase weathered locos. I would have thought that a re-issue of a Class 25/1 with a different running number would sell well. I think that Farish often miss a trick with failing to issue models with different running numbers, Dapol seem to be able to do it.
Hello,
Not only has D5188 sold out, but the unweathered blue model of 25245 is also now shown as unavailable. Hopefully another batch will be produced - if they can't do a new running number at least with the un-weathered models its fairly easy to renumber them.e
Considering the 25/1s seem to be selling well, its a shame a re-tooled later bodystyle 25 (also included some 25/2s) hasn't been announced. In fact the existing could be used to model 25083-086 which although new body-style were boiler fitted. I wonder if that is something to do with it not being a choice in the latest wish-list poll?
Having said that the class 40 is a useful choice for me, I am not impressed by the old offering, so hoping that a cracking model will be delivered. Although not so common on the highland mainline by the early 1980's, I wouldn't mind a couple for my soon to be started model of Blair Atholl. Question is will they be on the shelves before my layout is finished!?
Cbeers,
Paul
The class 40 sounds good, but like the new 31, it'll have to wait as there are big steam locos (Duchess, M.N, Schools) coming sooner. Will definitely be after a blue/grey inspection saloon and some more blue grey coaches - hopefully they will produce more second class open and corridor carriages than others so they don't sell out as fast! More blue/grey BGs are welcome too.
An dummy class 20 would've been nice.
I doubt whether this announcement will cost me much more than a couple of Maroon Mk1s and maybe a wagon and building or 2. However I am happy for those into J72s and the other things.
My own wish list, allowing for things known to be in production, remains rather esoteric and specialist, and not likely to be of interest to more than a very few. Very specifically a Scottish K2, Stanier 262T, Class 21/9, class 100 DMU. There are other thing where an upgrade would be welcome, such as replace my Cl 105 and some of my kit bashed ex LNER locos, but those are the key.
Oh dear, still no SWT Class 450 (though they are doing it in OO)...what a shame. 8)
Quite a low-key announcement with nothing really new. The J72 is an unfortunate piece of duplication - I suspect that Bachmann are some way down the road with this and confident they can deliver before Dapol. Superb news about the retooled 40.
That's it really.
Looking at the OO Bachmann pictures of the J72 models, and assuming they reflect the new items, I hope there's a way of telling them that, according to RCTS Part 8B, 69001 never had a vacuum ejector, so the pipe above thr RHS handrail is incorrect - unless of course someone out there has a photograph which says diferently.
Quote from: Arrachogaidh on March 02, 2015, 09:22:52 PM
Strange all these "I'm underwhelmed" posts. In reality what has been announced is a vast improvement on ten years ago.
Some people have short memories of the roll-out of n gauge models. If you look at the full list of everything that is being brought forward as well as proposed the offering from Bachmann couldn't really be more diverse across all sectors.
There really is a bit for everyone.
I did like the inclusion of a yellow CCT, weedkiller combinations, Cl 40, Mk1 InterCity even if some mising. Plenty more besides which could be of interest.
Come on all you dismal Johnnies, lighten up.
You could be 20 years back and things would have been much much worse.
A little dose of reality is needed around here. :NGaugersRule:
I'm going to quote this for the total truth it is
so long as a colas class 70 is on the way... if not rabble rabble rabble
Quote from: paulwdxb on March 02, 2015, 03:41:49 PM
So I just need Dapol to put a date on their Class 50 and I'm a happy man. (I know - I said the NW! - but they were always one of my favourites, sitting on the seawall by Dawlish Warren in the late 70's/early 80's, I'm allowed to run one just for old times sake!) :D
Loads of class 50's were seen in the NW running through the Lune valley so you're totally justified in running one or more on your layout, Paul :thumbsup:
Meh, I just thought I'd need to look at the 2013/14 catalogue for this year. Don't look into it too much but I'd dearly love:
DCC ready Class 31 (blue, dutch or IC)
DCC ready class 43 set in Blue/grey or swallow
Scotrail or blue / grey DBSO
Some more Railfreight VGA's, I need want more than currently 2 for a rake
Some more Tramac JGA's, I need want more than currently 3 for a rake
...I'll keep looking and watching, can't afford much at the moment. When they do arrive they'll probably sell out LoL.
Rich
As someone modelling 85-05 There's quite a few promising announcements in there - mostly the additional liverys for the new tooling mk1's,
I'm also glad the scenecraft range has had quite a few 00 items shrink ray'ed - cycle lockers and various other bits look good.
Having said that as I'm still waiting on preorders placed after the last announcement, I won't hold out any hope of seeing any these for some time yet!
Someone mentioned that bachman website was showing all steamers had switched to "DCC on board" - I think this is a mistake on the website which it looks like they are still updating -
The image that shows "dcc on board" image seems to have been swapped with the "DCC compatible one" - that's clear because the "on board" icon is now listed next to existing models that we know have 6 pin decoder sockets..
unless farish have replaced the pcb's in half the range to have "on board" decodes without changing stock numbers ... :-\
I know I should not really complain, because as some people say the current situation is a lot better than it use to be but is that not the point?
I thought the idea was to bring out better and better models, just like we aim to build better and better models. That said I think the announcements are pretty boring (I can hear the shouts of outrage from here) and a pre-nationalisation modeller I cant see anything that will tempt me to release the vice like grip I have on my wallet :P :P
QuoteI know I should not really complain, because as some people say the current situation is a lot better than it use to be but is that not the point?
I thought the idea was to bring out better and better models, just like we aim to build better and better models. That said I think the announcements are pretty boring (I can hear the shouts of outrage from here) and a pre-nationalisation modeller I cant see anything that will tempt me to release the vice like grip I have on my wallet
Regardless what it used to be in previous decades. I forgot to buy the bottle of apathy allot of others seem to have. I never experienced this in any other club, hobby, genre or anything outside of work. Meh I still say never pre-order anything out of stock, I've been burned so many times. Production dates slip too far, production runs sell out too quick. Tis what it is.
I'm very happy, there's enough to keep me busy buying for the next couple of years. The class 40 will be gratefully received.
Jamie
Quote from: newportnobby on March 02, 2015, 09:50:51 PM
Loads of class 50's were seen in the NW running through the Lune valley so you're totally justified in running one or more on your layout, Paul :thumbsup:
Yes, but those would be pre-refurbishment ones, and presumably running as D4xx rather than 500xx. Among other differences to the Western Region iteration of the Class 50s c.1980, they'd have working headcodes and no headlight on the cab end. Obviously also in BR blue rather than large logo livery (which I thought rather suited them).
Quote from: paulprice on March 02, 2015, 11:35:43 PM
That said I think the announcements are pretty boring (I can hear the shouts of outrage from here) and a pre-nationalisation modeller I cant see anything that will tempt me to release the vice like grip I have on my wallet :P :P
Or rather, perhaps this would a good year to try something new. Instead of buying a ready to run train, why not make a couple of wagon kits? Or paint a resin body for an existing loco chassis? Choose something simple that's unlikely to go terribly wrong and won't cost a lot of money while you try.
Cheers, NeMo
Quote from: NeMo on March 03, 2015, 06:42:07 AM
Quote from: newportnobby on March 02, 2015, 09:50:51 PM
Loads of class 50's were seen in the NW running through the Lune valley so you're totally justified in running one or more on your layout, Paul :thumbsup:
Yes, but those would be pre-refurbishment ones, and presumably running as D4xx rather than 500xx. Among other differences to the Western Region iteration of the Class 50s c.1980, they'd have working headcodes and no headlight on the cab end. Obviously also in BR blue rather than large logo livery (which I thought rather suited them).
Quote from: paulprice on March 02, 2015, 11:35:43 PM
That said I think the announcements are pretty boring (I can hear the shouts of outrage from here) and a pre-nationalisation modeller I cant see anything that will tempt me to release the vice like grip I have on my wallet :P :P
Or rather, perhaps this would a good year to try something new. Instead of buying a ready to run train, why not make a couple of wagon kits? Or paint a resin body for an existing loco chassis? Choose something simple that's unlikely to go terribly wrong and won't cost a lot of money while you try.
Cheers, NeMo
NeMo
Thanks for the advice I and its something I do on a regular basis, I must have in excess of 100 kit built ites of rolling stock that at I push I could use on my current layout, and nearly 20 locomotives I have kit built, scratch built or modified.
but what I really miss being a big kid at heart is the buzz you get when you go to the local shop, splash the cash and take home the a long wanted item.
The last time this happened was when the maroon jubilees were first released. Im still looking for an LMS liveried Ivatt, but the ones I considered buying in the shops had running issues, but that's another story :)
Before last year's announcement I predicted a new class 40 to appear in N, now it's definite - good move as the DCC ready chassis could eventually replace the chassis under the other Peaks.
Interesting they haven't announced any new re-liveried steam locos this time round, but a lot have been released recently or are in the pipeline.
Will Dapol cancel their J72 now that Farish have announced one ...?
Otherwise it's good to see the NGS commissions (SR bogie Queen Mary brake van, LMS inspection saloon) become part of the main range and thoughtfully a Bulleid three-coach pack is planned.
Overall Farish are trying to catch up on their previous announcements - I wasn't aware that their factory is going through a reorganisation, so to me it's understandable that they didn't want to announce so many new items whilst this is all happening in the background.
I hope they produce a range of DCC ready peaks 45/46 with working lights in the not too distant future as I think this is the biggest gap for diesel modellers.The sound fitted 108 is not a surprise as the bodies already have the space for a speaker...it will be interesting if the trend for DCC sound fitted as an option in OO gauge becomes more common in N and starts to bring sound fitted locos costs down to a reasonable premium over non sound
Quote from: Jools on March 02, 2015, 11:34:18 PMThe image that shows "dcc on board" image seems to have been swapped with the "DCC compatible one" - that's clear because the "on board" icon is now listed next to existing models that we know have 6 pin decoder sockets..
Can someone confirm if the following come with a decoder fitted (shown as DCC On Board) :
371-165 37407
371-166 37406
Quote from: gc4946 on March 03, 2015, 07:50:28 AM
Will Dapol cancel their J72 now that Farish have announced one ...?
That is the big question. Dapol came off worse last time they went head-to-head on the B1. I guess a lot of it depends on how far advanced Dapol's work is. They made the announcement 6 months ago.
Slightly peeved at Farish, they have known for months that Dapol are working on this so why pick the same prototype? If they want to do another tank engine, how about an N gauge version of the 94xx they have just announced in 00?
I think the biggest losers out here are the steam era but I guess Farish will benefit them next year.
The biggest winner is ultra modern era with a colas 60, DRS + DBS 66, an EWS Class 60035 (which I have already in the form of a CJM :smackedface:)
and of course the class 20 weed killer train. (I think they should have done a DRS twin pack as well!)
I'm hoping that a colas class 70 + 37 will appear next year as they have announced the OO gauge version.
All in all I'm pleased with Farish and what they have offered.
Let's see what Dapol counter with!
Quote from: Karhedron on March 03, 2015, 08:49:29 AM
Slightly peeved at Farish, they have known for months that Dapol are working on this so why pick the same prototype? If they want to do another tank engine, how about an N gauge version of the 94xx they have just announced in 00?
The reason for the J72 is obvious - they are also revamping their OO one so presumably are doing the R+D in parallel for both scales which makes sense. I suspect Bachmann might beat Dapol, as Dapol seem to be struggling to do much these days - there are so many models ahead in the queue at Dapol that still haven't appeared.
Will be interesting to see (if both models are produced) which is superior. Farish now definitely have the superior motor IMHO with their coreless can, but Dapol tend to still be more consistent with wheels and quartering (still a weak area on many Farish models). Might be a difficult decision........
Maybe a 94xx will come, but I wouldn't be surprised if they wait until the 64xx has been done in case there are common components they can use from it.
Cheers,
Alan
Going by some of the comments on this thread and others, it feels like Farish can't win. If they announce a raft of new models, that they clearly lack the capacity or resources to deliver within a meaningful schedule, they are (perhaps rightly) slated for taking too much on, and if they make an announcement that is more within their means, it's boring, un-imaginitive, nothing in it for me, etc.
There are still a lot of models in their previous lists that have yet to see the light of day, so why would we want them to apply even more pressure to themselves?
That said, I'm inclined to agree with Karhedron. It seems a bit churlish to go down the J72 route, although Dr AL's comment is noted. Why not build something that closely compliments it instead?
A re-tooled 40 has been near the top of wish-lists for a number of years now, and so I'm sure they will sell bucket loads of them. A re-run of Mark1s without weathering is very welcome, and a new colour scheme on them to boot.
I do wonder if Farish are playing (financial) games with Dapol. They could surely take a financial hit on sales much better than Dapol? Having two identical models at the same time will of course impact on Dapol's sales. I'm sure industrial espionage is not confined to simply the like of aircraft manufacturers etc.
Perhaps a case of David and Goliath, with the bigger of the two teasing the smaller (cat and mouse) Eventually the cat will pounce and devour the mouse.
It was a few years back, but the last big show I went to left me in no doubt their was little or no regard from Bachmann stand sales staff towards Dapol.
Some may think my comments a bit OTT, but this duplication thing is becoming increasingly regular for it to be coincidental. Just my opinion guys.
I doubt any manufacturer feels very much regard for a close competitor. Apple vs Samsung anyone?
I suspect there is less skulduggery than we might suppose, Dr Al is probably on the money that the decision was made about the J72 at the same time as the 00 version. They either believe they can get it out ahead of Dapol or simply don't care about the duplication. :(
I would suspect the latter. While there is evidently plenty room in the market for two manufacturers producing 66s, iand (arguably at a stretch) B1s, t's hard to say the same for the J72. It would suggest that Farish are hoping there's is first/better than Dapol's?
It's perhaps hardly surprising that Bachmann have announced the J72 - after all it was their very first OO loco in 1991. One could even stretch to say that Dapol were a bit stupid choosing it in that respect - there was always a high chance that Bachmann would shoot it down to N when it's OO retool came around - we know that's Bachmann's general policy to make efficient use of their R+D.
Maybe Bachmann have some inside info on the progress (or lack of) of the Dapol model and feel they can get to market first?
I would hope if Dapol haven't actually started on the J72 yet that they consider switching to another LNER tank prototype - there are loads to choose from that will sell equally well - J50, J52 for example - there's room in the market for plenty more prototypes rather than too much duplication.
Either way I'm looking forward to getting a little J72 from one (or maybe even both!) manufacturers!
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Dr Al on March 03, 2015, 09:29:54 AM
Quote from: Karhedron on March 03, 2015, 08:49:29 AM
Slightly peeved at Farish, they have known for months that Dapol are working on this so why pick the same prototype? If they want to do another tank engine, how about an N gauge version of the 94xx they have just announced in 00?
The reason for the J72 is obvious - they are also revamping their OO one so presumably are doing the R+D in parallel for both scales which makes sense. I suspect Bachmann might beat Dapol, as Dapol seem to be struggling to do much these days - there are so many models ahead in the queue at Dapol that still haven't appeared.
Will be interesting to see (if both models are produced) which is superior. Farish now definitely have the superior motor IMHO with their coreless can, but Dapol tend to still be more consistent with wheels and quartering (still a weak area on many Farish models). Might be a difficult decision........
Maybe a 94xx will come, but I wouldn't be surprised if they wait until the 64xx has been done in case there are common components they can use from it.
Cheers,
Alan
I doubt that will be the case as both wheelbase and wheel diameters are completely different
Regards,
Alex
Quote from: Hailstone on March 03, 2015, 12:37:36 PM
I doubt that will be the case as both wheelbase and wheel diameters are completely different
Not my area of experitise, but I'd have thought there'd be some - buffers? Dome? Safety valve bonnet?
Out of interest I wonder if Farish just think the 64xx will be a better seller? After all there are literally thousands of old style 94xxs out there; whereas the 64xx is something we've never had?
Of course Farish actually missed the boat when it came to Panniers - I'm sure they'd have preferred to have a 57xx in their stable before being beaten to it by Dapol's version.
Cheers,
Alan
Not even that much Al, buffers only! the 94XX has a boiler mounted safety valve, and no dome - as for the 64XX firebox mounted safety valve, most of them ended up in Wales, but some went to Devon (Laira had 7) and 1 (St Blazey) and maybe more in Cornwall.
I agree with you that Farish waited too long to upgrade their pannier, but I have several of the Dapol ones and they definitely get better the more track time they get.
I hope that Farish will upgrade the 94xx to at least the level of the Jinty, as there were quite a few of them in Devon & Cornwall.
Regards,
Alex
I agree, the 94xx also suffer in that they are barely GWR locos at all, only the first 10 were completed before Nationalisation. The 64xx is new and different and suits modellers from the mid-30s onwards. Dapol's 48/14xxs have been consistently good sellers so I can see Farish's logic in doing another flavour of auto-tank.
I believe you are right about the 5700/8750. I have heard that they had this in their sights when Dapol pipped them to the post.
Quote from: Karhedron on March 03, 2015, 01:09:51 PM
I believe you are right about the 5700/8750. I have heard that they had this in their sights when Dapol pipped them to the post.
It was an obvious one for them - seems like every GW line needs one just about, and they certainly seemed to sell shedloads of the original Poole version.
Cheers,
Alan
Let's just summarise here (before the kettles 'explode')
New modern locos: class 40
New steam engine: J72
Everything else: repaint of existing models.
Rolling stock: Not worth mentioning.
The above Summs up the Farish announcements.
Let's not knock it. Let's just say thanks to Farish.
Quote from: Only Me on March 04, 2015, 12:48:33 PM
Prices have appeared here...
http://www.modelrailwaysdirect.co.uk/New%21-Graham-Farish-2015/Locomotives/ (http://www.modelrailwaysdirect.co.uk/New%21-Graham-Farish-2015/Locomotives/)
Nearly £180 for the weedkiller train..
That's just the engines! Coaches are around £40 and tanks about £30, I think. Makes it all pretty pricey.
EDIT: Darn, Only Me editted his post to include this info.
According to Farish web site many awaited locos are now in stock!
http://www.grafar.co.uk/new_arrivals.php?prod_selected=1 (http://www.grafar.co.uk/new_arrivals.php?prod_selected=1)
I noticed that too.. I just hope it isn't true and its another foul up otherwise I'm going to be relying on you guys for food donations! :)
Cheers
Mark
Slightly disappointed to see that the 3-coach Bulleid set does not represent a saving over buying the 3 coaches separately. :( I suppose getting the set number on the end is a nice bonus.
I have been planning to get a short set of bulleids at some point but there is a still a resounding absence of anything to haul them. I keep hoping the Dapol light pacifics will turn up but there is still no sign of them. I am thinking a Merchant Navu would be overkill for a 3-coach set. :uneasy:
You could use the UM T9 at the head of a 3 set, you would also see them behind ex LMS 2P and 4F on the Zummerzet and Darset, the Dapol Q1 is OK, also any BR class 2,3 or 4 tender or tank.
If/when the N class arrives that will also do. Or you could get 2 sets and use an MN.
An M7 with an empty stock working. You could also see Bulleid sets with loose coaches, Maunsells, Bulleids or BR Mk1s; a catering vehicle and an open might be marshalled within the set.
Quote from: ScottyStitch on March 03, 2015, 09:51:31 AM
A re-tooled 40 has been near the top of wish-lists for a number of years now, and so I'm sure they will sell bucket loads of them.
:laughabovepost: :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost:
Quote from: Arrachogaidh on March 02, 2015, 10:03:32 PM
Quote from: Zakalwe on March 02, 2015, 09:27:22 PM
I'm going to quote this for the total truth it is
so long as a colas class 70 is on the way... if not rabble rabble rabble
I assume you mean a Class 60 in Colas colours otherwise your comment is rabble rabble rabble !!
no i meant class 70 so rabble rabble rabble to the barricades !!1!!!!1!!
Looking at the Farish website today it is interesting to note that the RRP of the delayed A2 has now gone up to £159.95 from £149.95 before it has even been released.
I have been pretty tolerant and philosophical up to now about what have been perceived as "necessary" price rises but as we now head rapidly closer to a £200 price tag for a 4-6-2 type, I am now definitely revisiting what I will have.
For sure only one A2 will head my way now and that's assuming they don't go up in price again between now and release. If they do I may be out altogether. After all this model relies on the existing can-motor tender-drive and does not even have the selling point of a coreless motor loco drive to make accepting the cost a little more palatable.
To illustrate the point further, on the Hattons website they are taking pre-orders of the little J72 tank loco at £90 - yes, that's the Hattons discount price!! Generously they will allow people to cancel their orders if it turns out to be more...
I do fear that such additional price rises coupled with Bachmann's dubious retailer restriction of 15% discount from RRP (supposedly only for limited periods but I've yet to see any big player break rank and discount further) we are now approaching a tipping point where cost will stifle further growth in the scale...
Roy
With Farish being stuck with a 20% increase in wage costs each year for the next 4 years (the first increase was last year) due to Chinese legislation, I wonder how many more models may be 'delayed' for some reason..................like copping for this years increase?
Nah - surely I'm wrong....................aren't I? :worried:
I can see these manufacturers moving production from China to India over the next few years
I have already seen this happen with some manufacturers
Quote from: mjkerr on March 04, 2015, 09:23:31 PM
I can see these manufacturers moving production from China to India over the next few years
I have already seen this happen with some manufacturers
I suspect that could be pilau talk :-X
Roy LS I agree with what you have said about price increases. There will of course always be people who will pay what is being asked. It's the across the board willingness of people to pay ever increasing prices that remains to be seen.
As I said a couple of months back I think many will become more focussed and selective on what they buy in future. If this does happen then overall sales will surely decrease...only my opinion of course and I may be proved wrong, time will tell.
Don't send me death threats for what I'm about to say................... but am I alone in thinking that the advantages of N gauge are being rapidly destroyed by the manufacturers?
It set me thinking when then other half remarked when I was looking at a Jubilee and Ivatt mogul in a certain retailers lately that would have set me back over £200, that I could have got the same ones but bigger (00) for nearly £60 less
Quote from: paulprice on March 04, 2015, 10:05:55 PM
Don't send me death threats for what I'm about to say................... but am I alone in thinking that the advantages of N gauge are being rapidly destroyed by the manufacturers?
It set me thinking when then other half remarked when I was looking at a Jubilee and Ivatt mogul in a certain retailers lately that would have set me back over £200, that I could have got the same ones but bigger (00) for nearly £60 less
I don't think the manufacturers are destroying N Gauge, with high prices it sounds like expensive retailers!
All the best.
Quote from: Only Me on March 04, 2015, 10:18:59 PM
N gauge has never had a cost advantage over 00 unfortunately..
True, locos are generally on-par with their 00 counterparts(with some exceptions) due to the need to miniaturize effective driving mechanisms. Rolling stock is still somewhat cheaper as are scenic items.
The real advantage of N Gauge has always been its ability to squeeze a pint into a half-pint-pot when compared to 00.
Looking at the pictures of the Weedkiller Class 20's, they seem to be missing the extended range fuel tanks ?
Quote from: koyli55002 on March 05, 2015, 05:16:54 AMLooking at the pictures of the Weedkiller Class 20's, they seem to be missing the extended range fuel tanks ?
Water tank pack :
373-786 3 Pack TTA
http://www.bachmann.co.uk/details.php?id=338 (http://www.bachmann.co.uk/details.php?id=338)
I am very tempted by this, as it made a few appearances in Glasgow Queen Street in the 1980s / 1990s, plus all the items will be available to recreate the entire train
Quote from: mjkerr on March 05, 2015, 07:44:25 AM
Quote from: koyli55002 on March 05, 2015, 05:16:54 AMLooking at the pictures of the Weedkiller Class 20's, they seem to be missing the extended range fuel tanks ?
Water tank pack :
373-786 3 Pack TTA
http://www.bachmann.co.uk/details.php?id=338 (http://www.bachmann.co.uk/details.php?id=338)
No those tankers carrythe weedkiller, ther aren't fuel tanks... Koyli is referring to the additional fuel tanks on the locos...
Hello Koyli,
Photographs suggest that 20904 certainly ran in this livery without extended range tanks, so the proposed model is right, however it also seems that this loco ran most or all of the time partnered with 20901, not 20906. 20901 also does not have the tanks.
The extended range fuel tanks are rectangular "boxes" fitted above the solebar of the locomotive.
cheers
Ben A.
Hi Ben
Thanks for the info - personally, I'd have preferred the "Agrevo" train so I guess I'll have to drag the old Hurst Models kits out and get cracking !
Long range Fuel Tanks were fitted to :
20902
20903
Additional tanks also fitted to 20905 as far as I can ascertain from a bit more research
Continuing this discussion, checking the Bachmann website today, it looks like many steam locos have had a price hike sneaked through "under the radar" during the last few days.
4F 0-6-0s up from £99.95 to £109.95 that's 10% while still on the blinkin boat! Worse still the already in stock J39s prices up the same amount to £109.95, am I alone in thinking it is taking the :censored: a bit?
Seems many diesels ditto now I look..
I really do hope that Bachmann know what they are doing as I think they are in real danger of pricing themselves out of the mainstream market if this carries on.
If labour/assembly costs are truly the issue, (and let's face it the 20% annual wage increase bandied about is labour cost as a component of the factory gate price not RRP) 10% on the RRP looks very steep, especially at a time when raw material commodities such a crude oil have reduced to such low prices now.
Is this in reality the parent company dictating new and tougher terms I wonder..
Roy
No, I think it is just the end of the low inflation era. We got used to cheap imports but ultimately it was unsustainable. In outsourcing our manufacturing, we outsourced our inflation too.
When I was running the (failed) Railcar project on kickstarter, I got to see some of the costs of manufacturing. A 10% increase is not unreasonable based on a wage increase of 20%. Crude may have gone down but for physically small items like N Gauge trains, the cost of the raw materials is not a percentage of the overall cost.
Sadly I think that rising prices is something we will have to get used to for the foreseeable future. We will each have to decide how to cope whether by increasing our expenditure, cutting back on the number of acquisitions or spending our money elsewhere.
I wouldn't drag Brent Crude price into it. The price of the products (to us anyway) is pretty far disconnected from the $/BBL.
Fact of life is prices seem to go up every year with everything. If Farish held their prices, it's bound to be a bigger instant jump if they do put their prices up. I'm not advocating it -I feel I'm priced out of allot of purchases in this hobby now already compared to 4/5 years ago.
I'm half surprised they're still sticking with China, would have thought India may become more attractive -but such an enormous undertaking to change contractors.
Quote from: Karhedron on March 09, 2015, 08:22:00 PM
No, I think it is just the end of the low inflation era. We got used to cheap imports but ultimately it was unsustainable. In outsourcing our manufacturing, we outsourced our inflation too.
When I was running the (failed) Railcar project on kickstarter, I got to see some of the costs of manufacturing. A 10% increase is not unreasonable based on a wage increase of 20%. Crude may have gone down but for physically small items like N Gauge trains, the cost of the raw materials is not a percentage of the overall cost.
Sadly I think that rising prices is something we will have to get used to for the foreseeable future. We will each have to decide how to cope whether by increasing our expenditure, cutting back on the number of acquisitions or spending our money elsewhere.
Hi Matt
I appreciate that your GW railcar project will have given you a valuable insight so where am I out in the following scenario?
If we take a 4F as an example.
- Work backwards from a RRP of £110, VAT is 20% so deduct £22 takes the pre-VAT price to £88.
- Dealer margin 30% so say £25...
- Takes us down to a wholesale price of about £63.
- Manufacturer's margin, shipping costs, duties etc £20-£25?
- So on this basis I am estimating this gets us to a factory gate price of about £40 per unit.
- Of that if we assume labour is as much as half the cost that means £20.
- 20% of £20 is £4.
As I say, happy to be corrected if my maths are wrong anywhere in that..
Regards
Roy
One thing not taken into account is R&D costs. For a small run (1000 units), the CAD and tooling work can be as much as 40% of the total cost. Farish typically deal in larger runs so this will be spread over more units but is still a significant expense.
Crucially, this work is also normally done in China by the same factory so will be subject to the 20% wage increase. In fact this will be disproportionately affected because the R&D is mostly a labour cost with relatively little material costs.
Don't forget that as Bachmann and the factories are the same outfit the
manufacturer's cost is plastic + labour + shipping and import duties
so the factory gate price is irrelevant and unless you have access to
all the figures involved it's all conjecture.
I guess it's a bit like buying a packet of ciggies - just how far do you allow the price increases before saying enough is enough and overriding the desire for the new model you really wanted.
Yeah - I know one is bad for your health but they're both becoming bad for your wealth, too.
Quote from: Agrippa on March 09, 2015, 09:31:33 PM
Don't forget that as Bachmann and the factories are the same outfit the
manufacturer's cost is plastic + labour + shipping and import duties
so the factory gate price is irrelevant and unless you have access to
all the figures involved it's all conjecture.
Not sure it is irrelevant. The point I was making is that the labour cost is a much smaller % of the RRP than the cost at the Factory Gate and yet in one hit we see on the examples I quote a 10% hike in RRP.
I suspect Newportnobby is right it just depends how far people are prepared to go before going elsewhere with their wallets. The newly announced O Gauge Minerva Models RTR 0-4-0 Peckett at £235 preorder price including postage begins to look very attractive...
Regards
Roy
A point to bear in mind is that the company Kader is like Starbucks and suchlike and can make
profits or losses in whichever countries in which it trades by use of transfer pricing and charging
management costs so the cost of goods on the UK model shop shelf is at their whim.
Though obviously if they go too high they may lose business. However due to the small market in
which they deal in the UK the consumer has a restricted choice when it comes to rtr UK type
models and either pays up or changes area modelled eg US or Europe etc..
Quote from: Karhedron on March 09, 2015, 08:45:07 PM
One thing not taken into account is R&D costs. For a small run (1000 units), the CAD and tooling work can be as much as 40% of the total cost. Farish typically deal in larger runs so this will be spread over more units but is still a significant expense.
I would assume that Farish still pay this off over the first production batches though? - otherwise they'd risk accruing debts from models that are then not subsequently re-run, like the V2.
Cheers,
Alan
That is a good question. I know Dapol certainly do cover the tooling costs with the first run. Given that Farish and Dapol prices are similar, it seems reasonable to assume Farish do also.
Don't forget a relatively small cost in the factory is compounded up to a larger amount with retailer margin and VAT (which are both %).
Cheers, Mike
Quote from: Roy L S on March 09, 2015, 08:40:29 PM
Quote from: Karhedron on March 09, 2015, 08:22:00 PM
No, I think it is just the end of the low inflation era. We got used to cheap imports but ultimately it was unsustainable. In outsourcing our manufacturing, we outsourced our inflation too.
When I was running the (failed) Railcar project on kickstarter, I got to see some of the costs of manufacturing. A 10% increase is not unreasonable based on a wage increase of 20%. Crude may have gone down but for physically small items like N Gauge trains, the cost of the raw materials is not a percentage of the overall cost.
Sadly I think that rising prices is something we will have to get used to for the foreseeable future. We will each have to decide how to cope whether by increasing our expenditure, cutting back on the number of acquisitions or spending our money elsewhere.
Hi Matt
I appreciate that your GW railcar project will have given you a valuable insight so where am I out in the following scenario?
If we take a 4F as an example.
- Work backwards from a RRP of £110, VAT is 20% so deduct £22 takes the pre-VAT price to £88.
- Dealer margin 30% so say £25...
- Takes us down to a wholesale price of about £63.
- Manufacturer's margin, shipping costs, duties etc £20-£25?
- So on this basis I am estimating this gets us to a factory gate price of about £40 per unit.
- Of that if we assume labour is as much as half the cost that means £20.
- 20% of £20 is £4.
As I say, happy to be corrected if my maths are wrong anywhere in that..
Regards
Roy
Your maths is indeed wrong:
for a start, £110 less VAT is £91.66.
As for your other assumptions, I think they're just that; assumptions. The manufacturer would last long with a margin (less shipping, duties, promotional costs, packaging etc) like that.
........And do you really think labour rates are that high in China??
Sorry if I'm being a pedant, but you can take the Accountant out of the man...............
Quote from: Roy L S on March 02, 2015, 09:57:54 AM
...last year three "newly tooled" items turned out to be a nice but somewhat limited in appeal "Birdcage" set.
Not holding my breath really...
The Birdcage set certainly has appeal for me. Even though it's the wrong region, it's still the right era, and I'll be making a point of having this as a 'borrowed' set of coaches doing occasional duty too far west.
Can't wait for the N Class SR loco either. Yum.
Quote from: FeelixTC on March 10, 2015, 11:42:31 AM
[for a start, £110 less VAT is £91.66.
As for your other assumptions, I think they're just that; assumptions. The manufacturer would last long with a margin (less shipping, duties, promotional costs, packaging etc) like that.
........And do you really think labour rates are that high in China??
Sorry if I'm being a pedant, but you can take the Accountant out of the man...............
No, thank you for correcting my mathematical error, that will teach me not to check what I post.
As to the rest of my numbers of course they are assumptions, which doubtless become less accurate the further back towards the factory gate price they go. They were intended to be illustrative, I suspect in reality the factory gate price is much lower and the labour component ditto which makes the 10% hike on RRP even more difficult to reconcile to a 20% increase in labour costs.
Regards
Roy
I just think that they are getting rather expensive, or am I just tight?
Quote from: paulprice on March 10, 2015, 07:37:23 PM
I just think that they are getting rather expensive, or am I just tight?
As I said earlier on in this topic, I have up to now been reasonably philosophical about price rises accepting that we had it "good" for a long time.
Last year we saw a lot of big increases justified by said wage costs and if I recall correctly a "correction" of prices as some models were not profitable - probably fair enough.
However more recently I have become slightly cynical, it doesn't seem to me the compulsory 20% wage increase in China justifies all of these increases, and it seems to me prices are being hiked for other reasons too.
Ignoring my back of a fag packet calculations and accepting that this is just the way it is, what is the impact going to be?
Is £200 for a really superb, reliable, long lasting, state of the art "big" steam loco too much? Probably not
if that is consistently delivered.
Is £150 just another psychological barrier to overcome and accept as £100 was not so long ago? Maybe.
Can Bachmann design in cost savings in future locos without significantly compromising detail/quality and is that the way to go? Possibly.
It is sobering that the yet to be tooled 64xx is now being listed at £89.95, goodness alone knows what it will actually be priced at when it does arrive!
I hope these price hikes are not too detrimental to the sustainability of British N deterring would be starters on cost grounds, but if it is, there's nowt we can do about it I guess..
I suppose at the end of the day it is only a hobby, not life or death...
So back to the question. Yes, they are getting rather expensive, and it would seem (and this is my big worry) destined to become even more so if similar rises continue next year etc, and no, you are not tight!
Regards
Roy
I think it's all about how much we want the offered products.
If the promised J72 is up to the standard of the other Farish locos I've got (A1, B1, 3MT, WD), then I'll pay £90 or thereabouts (guess it depends on how long it takes to develop), maybe not as happily as I paid for the others. A J72 is an essential for NE Region BR Steam.
However, I'd planned to get some 3-sets of the weathered 16 tonners, but I think I might now buy cheaper unweathered models and weather them myself (should have been doing that anyway, but it's nice to minimise the amount of work you've got in the pipeline).
I'm hoping we might get some Thompson carriages in due course, but I fear they'll be expensive.
However you look at it the prices have gone up for the manufacturers how much the shops add on well that's a different matter.
Look at Hattons I know not every ones cup of tea but they do some cracking prices on some models. Pure and simply due to the amount they shift they may not make as high a percentage profit per model as other places but since they sell x amount more than a number of shops then they make that profit and more and sadly for the smaller independent shops this is the way the world works these days as people go to the best offer that been the likes of Hattons who work on high volume of sales to make the profits.
As for willing to pay x amount per model well about a hundred pounds I can live with when we start hitting 150+ that may be another issue, this is the balancing act the businesses dealing in N gauge have to work with.
I remember back in the day getting 2 OO class 92s for 45 pound but we are talking some time ago but sadly things only ever get more expensive.
The one thing that has slightly perplexed me is that unlike Dapol, you never see Farish doing special offers on their own website. Now I know the stuff Dapol do is end of range clear the shelves stuff mainly but if Farish have similar stuff that shops don't want isn't it a good way to at least get rid of the stock and at least break even if not make a small profit on it?
So the money isn't tied up in the warehouse and maybe used in the like of R&D on some fresh new and appealing models.
Of course, there are many methods of pricing, 'cost plus is one, but another is 'Market rate' ie: What they can get away with. You'll never justify logically the latter.
Think about razor blades - do you really reckon they should cost that much?
Quote from: acko22 on March 11, 2015, 04:31:56 PM
The one thing that has slightly perplexed me is that unlike Dapol, you never see Farish doing special offers on their own website. Now I know the stuff Dapol do is end of range clear the shelves stuff mainly but if Farish have similar stuff that shops don't want isn't it a good way to at least get rid of the stock and at least break even if not make a small profit on it?
So the money isn't tied up in the warehouse and maybe used in the like of R&D on some fresh new and appealing models.
Bachmann is a much larger outfit than Dapol with deeper pockets and more warehouse space. They can afford to hold onto unsold stock until people are willing to pay the asking price without it affecting their cash-flow.
Quote from: Roy L S on March 10, 2015, 08:28:38 PM
Quote from: paulprice on March 10, 2015, 07:37:23 PM
I just think that they are getting rather expensive, or am I just tight?
Is £200 for a really superb, reliable, long lasting, state of the art "big" steam loco too much? Probably not if that is consistently delivered.
Roy
This is the issue for me personally; I don't mind paying the money for something I know will work straight out of the box (near enough), but to be paying that kind of money for something that will not run excellently, possibly fail at a later date, is difficult to swallow.
I've had 3 out of 3 failures of a certain class of locomotive by one manufacturer, at over £100 each, and a lurching gear issue with 3 out of 5 of another loco from a different manufacturer, so as far as I'm concerned after the experiences I've had, no N gauge manufacturer is making locos of this standard yet - but we are being charged the prices.
Most of my locos have had to had something done to them to improve their reliability, and they are all new models bought/released within the last 5-7 years. Mostly pick-up mods, some classes so unreliable they've requiring hard-wiring between bogie and circuit board/chassis which I think is ridiculous considering how far we've come.
Cheers,
Benn.
Quote from: acko22 on March 11, 2015, 04:31:56 PM
The one thing that has slightly perplexed me is that unlike Dapol, you never see Farish doing special offers on their own website.
Bachmann don't routinely sell anything through their website or direct to the general public, and the only stuff they sell at exhibitions is returns and seconds...
It is a deliberate policy to support the "bricks and mortar" retailers...
Owe I totally agree with that and would be upset if they didn't.
I just meant for the stuff that the shops aren't getting off them as they don't sell at all!
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Bachmann is a much larger outfit than Dapol with deeper pockets and more warehouse space. They can afford to hold onto unsold stock until people are willing to pay the asking price without it affecting their cash-flow.
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Karhedon is most likely right they just keep hold of it until there appears to be a demand however long down the road
Quote from: Karhedron on March 12, 2015, 09:35:43 AM
Bachmann is a much larger outfit than Dapol with deeper pockets and more warehouse space. They can afford to hold onto unsold stock until people are willing to pay the asking price without it affecting their cash-flow.
To a point, but not indefinite periods I think as Bachmann too have had clear outs at low cost - they don't offer direct when they do, but sell stock cheap to retailers - they did this most recently with class 60s and Red class 47s which could be got from Hattons for £40 new! That was reportedly from a warehouse clearout.
Also, I think they do sometimes put stocks of older unsold models into train sets - e.g. V2 sets, presumably to help clear the remaining V2s.
Cheers,
Alan
Has anyone had their GF catalogue yet as members of Collector Club?
I have not, yet according to the retailers they have copies.
Out of Order, my opinion. Why be a member?
Quote from: Dr Al on March 13, 2015, 09:45:51 AM
Quote from: Karhedron on March 12, 2015, 09:35:43 AM
Bachmann is a much larger outfit than Dapol with deeper pockets and more warehouse space. They can afford to hold onto unsold stock until people are willing to pay the asking price without it affecting their cash-flow.
To a point, but not indefinite periods I think as Bachmann too have had clear outs at low cost - they don't offer direct when they do, but sell stock cheap to retailers - they did this most recently with class 60s and Red class 47s which could be got from Hattons for £40 new! That was reportedly from a warehouse clearout.
Also, I think they do sometimes put stocks of older unsold models into train sets - e.g. V2 sets, presumably to help clear the remaining V2s.
Cheers,
Alan
Indeed and here is another example: -
http://www.ehattons.com/38724/Graham_Farish_372_726_Standard_Class_5MT_4_6_0_73158_in_BR_lined_black_with_late_crest_BR1B_tender/StockDetail.aspx (http://www.ehattons.com/38724/Graham_Farish_372_726_Standard_Class_5MT_4_6_0_73158_in_BR_lined_black_with_late_crest_BR1B_tender/StockDetail.aspx)
It is an absolute steal at that price..
Roy
Quote from: georgehgv on March 13, 2015, 07:56:52 PM
Out of Order, my opinion. Why be a member?
Yeah, not as if they give you anything like a wagon, or offer small editions of locos that you can't get elsewhere, or a magazine that puts the Hornby Collectors mag not only in the share but frozen solid ... oh wait ... ::)
And do you
really want to believe retailers that say engines we've been waiting for
years on are "coming soon" ?
We already know
at least 75% of what will be in there - just look at last years copy ... and I doubt we'll have any surprise new entries. Surprise deletions on the other hand ... ...
Quote from: georgehgv on March 13, 2015, 07:56:52 PM
Has anyone had their GF catalogue yet as members of Collector Club?
I have not, yet according to the retailers they have copies.
Out of Order, my opinion. Why be a member?
Hi there,
I understand they are being dispatched early next week. I believe there is news about a forthcoming N Gauge commission.
cheers
Ben A.
Quote from: Roy L S on March 13, 2015, 08:07:04 PM
Quote from: Dr Al on March 13, 2015, 09:45:51 AM
Quote from: Karhedron on March 12, 2015, 09:35:43 AM
Bachmann is a much larger outfit than Dapol with deeper pockets and more warehouse space. They can afford to hold onto unsold stock until people are willing to pay the asking price without it affecting their cash-flow.
To a point, but not indefinite periods I think as Bachmann too have had clear outs at low cost - they don't offer direct when they do, but sell stock cheap to retailers - they did this most recently with class 60s and Red class 47s which could be got from Hattons for £40 new! That was reportedly from a warehouse clearout.
Also, I think they do sometimes put stocks of older unsold models into train sets - e.g. V2 sets, presumably to help clear the remaining V2s.
Cheers,
Alan
Indeed and here is another example: -
http://www.ehattons.com/38724/Graham_Farish_372_726_Standard_Class_5MT_4_6_0_73158_in_BR_lined_black_with_late_crest_BR1B_tender/StockDetail.aspx (http://www.ehattons.com/38724/Graham_Farish_372_726_Standard_Class_5MT_4_6_0_73158_in_BR_lined_black_with_late_crest_BR1B_tender/StockDetail.aspx)
It is an absolute steal at that price.
They've been on offer since at least last October, though the green version has evidently sold out recently. And yes I did get one (green), not a kettle person usually but it's almost the same as one I had in an early childhood OO trainset.
I just want a discount price Ivatt 2-6-0 I guess I want too much for too little :)
Quote from: paulprice on March 14, 2015, 10:53:02 AM
I just want a discount price Ivatt 2-6-0 I guess I want too much for too little :)
You do...
They are out there at significantly less than the RRP if you do a bit of hunting (which is what I assume you meant), but the way you phrased that post makes it sound like you think you are special and that you should not pay the going rate like everyone else...
Far from it, I know there are bargains out there, I just need to get out and hunt one down, I know a couple of places that have them sub £90 which is a bargain, I just hope they have the LMS liveried version.
New catalogues available at Basingstoke Show, us members still wait for postie.
grrrrr :no:
Several retailers had them at the St Neots show.
Quote from: paulprice on March 14, 2015, 11:22:25 AM
Far from it, I know there are bargains out there, I just need to get out and hunt one down, I know a couple of places that have them sub £90 which is a bargain, I just hope they have the LMS liveried version.
Saw an LMS one on Cheltenham Model Centre's stand at Huntingdon Show today for £84.
Regards
Roy
I might nip to the Macclesfield show tomorrow to see if they have any?
The Ivatts seem to be available pretty cheap - LMS in particular, though I bought a BR one for £50 just the other week. So keep your eyes peeled - you can do way better than £84!
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Dr Al on March 15, 2015, 05:03:22 PM
The Ivatts seem to be available pretty cheap - LMS in particular, though I bought a BR one for £50 just the other week. So keep your eyes peeled - you can do way better than £84!
Cheers,
Alan
Cool where did you pick that up from?
Quote from: georgehgv on March 14, 2015, 03:31:21 PM
New catalogues available at Basingstoke Show, us members still wait for postie.
grrrrr :no:
Impatient lot, aren't we ?
My Bachmann catalogue / GraFar catalogue / BCC package just turned up :P
Quote from: Brooksy on March 02, 2015, 01:29:47 PM
8 (eight) new Pullman coaches too - named ones being Pearl, Ruby, Robin and Thrush. They've diversified into birds!
The birds are Pullman Kitchen Firsts, the precious stones are Pullman Parlour Firsts.
The unnamed ones Nos 332 - 346 (E332E - E346E) are Pullman Kitchen Seconds, Nos 347 - 353 (E347E - E353E) are Pullman Parlour Seconds.
I ordered "RUBY" from Kernow as soon as it became available for pre-order, so long ago now that I cannot recall precisely when (but it must have been 2015) along with other new models. The rest of the order was fulfilled after a reasonable delay - but not before a price increase was announced. "Ruby", however, seems to have sunk without a trace. I have been in correspondence with Kernow about the fact that Farish marked the vehicle as "out of stock" rather than "available for pre-order", but was assured by them that the model had not been received by them. Farish are today still showing it as "available for pre-order"
I got wind of a rumour some time ago that certain items of Farish stock were stuck in a container in the hold or on the deck of a Hanjin Shipping vessel which has not been permitted to dock because the company went udders upwards and no port is willing to let the liquidator run up debts he may be unable to pay off.
Does anyone know any more about this?