On the matter of "same old questions" upsetting the oldies elsewhere, in DCC :
In another forum (astronomy), recently, a whole new section was added " Beginners , , " and various subsections.
where it was made plain by the 'owners' that anyone could post any question and not be made to feel stupid or intimidated that it might already be known or have been asked.
A roaring success ! Peeps who had never before posted (or not often) poped up, in fact such a success that 'old timers' who previously only posted to 'advise' in other parts started asking their own 'newbie' questions as well ! ie. questions in fields they had not previously addressed.
Just a thort.
I agree. This is the "real time" internet. Is the clever answer " go look it up in the library"?
The forum should represent a clubhouse environment. no question is silly or daft.
We have all have been asked the same question several times. We would have appeared pompous if we had refused to answer because we had answered the same question already.
Any question is relevant if you don't know the answer.
I totally agree...while the search function is great,it does no harm to ask the same old questions again and again..I would bet that very few posts are really brand new never discussed topics and the forum would be too quiet without repeats !.....just like the telly...
When I first encountered this forum, I jumped straight in and asked a question about a Peco scissors crossover that had probably been asked before.
I didn't even see the welcome section to introduce myself!
My point is that often, new members are, well, not only new to the forum, but also new to the hobby fullstop. I see nothing wrong with these folk recycling old questions, as they are not to know at that stage.
I do however, have an issue with relatively long standing members getting hot under the collar about something which is relatively innocuous.
New members are free to ask whatever question they need answered. That is the premise of this forum.
Good Morning as a newbi who has lots of ideas but nothing set in stone or wood i am happy to know help will always available. This forum is the best inspiration i need to kickstart the layout i have always wanted. Just thanks for being there.
regards Derek.
I am always for people asking questions how big or small, model railways has a lot of different subjects and not one of them is less important than the other, all of us does not matter if you know N Gauge inside out or you know next to nothing has the right to ask any question.
Powering our model railway is the biggest question as which way to go DC or DCC, and questions about this will always come, and why oh why does it matter how many times the question is asked.
When you are new to model railways all you want to know is what is important to you so please members new and old just ask away.
Happy Modelling.
There is no such thing as a stupid question, although you may get stupid replies on occasions. Never be afraid to ask - we all had to start at sometime or another.
Quote from: MalcolmAL on January 18, 2015, 12:57:31 AM
In another forum (astronomy), recently, a whole new section was added " Beginners , , " and various subsections.
where it was made plain by the 'owners' that anyone could post any question and not be made to feel stupid or intimidated that it might already be known or have been asked.
The whole ethos of NGF is already based on that belief, and is partly the reason why Tank set it up in the first place. Whilst it may be tiresome for long-standing members to see the same old questions again and again, and there is no harm in pointing the enquirer in the direction of the Search facility first as a prompt to using the vast library of information that already exists, the forum is here to help all without bias or elitism towards those that have less experience. This ethos is enforced by the Moderation Team across the whole forum, so a separate section is not really necessary and could actually be counterproductive in not encouraging new members to use the whole of NGF :thumbsup:
Paul
Well said. The problem with "beginners" sections is that experienced forum members tend to avoid them. So you get beginners asking other beginners, which is fine in itself, but limits the range of answers they get.
Forums start dying when people simply reply "just use the search facility, for gosh sakes!". For one thing, the answers giving in 2008 may not be relevant in 2015. For another, the people on the forum will be different now compared to then, so the possible answers you can get will be different as well.
So while questions about ballasting or whatever might seem to come up again and again, each time they come up, there's fresh content added to the forum that goes beyond whatever was there before.
There's nothing wrong with linking to a previous thread of course, but dismissing regular questions as "just for beginners" misses the point to having a forum for all N-gauge modellers at all levels of the hobby. Indeed, often beginners come to the hobby with amazing talents of their own, and the experienced hobbyists learn from them!
Cheers, NeMo
Quote from: Sprintex on January 18, 2015, 10:18:39 AM
The whole ethos of NGF is already based on that belief, and is partly the reason why Tank set it up in the first place. Whilst it may be tiresome for long-standing members to see the same old questions again and again, and there is no harm in pointing the enquirer in the direction of the Search facility first as a prompt to using the vast library of information that already exists, the forum is here to help all without bias or elitism towards those that have less experience. This ethos is enforced by the Moderation Team across the whole forum, so a separate section is not really necessary and could actually be counterproductive in not encouraging new members to use the whole of NGF :thumbsup:
NeMo, that is a superb reply. One response I have come to detest is "google is your friend".
We are here to interact person to person (albeit electronically)....what an awful fate for humanity if we only ever talk to "the cloud".
Tom.
NeMo has already touched on the fact that old questions can have new answers but don't forget that some people are simply not as familiar with techy stuff they may have tried searching but didn't get the specific answer they were looking for because their search parameter doesn't match or are unsure what to enter. They may be new to internet forums and don't even know there is a search facility.
Maybe the search returned a long forgotten thread they didn't want to resurrect or they don't understand the jargon.
If someone is fed up with answering the same question, don't respond at all! Go and look for it is not a helpful or friendly response imho and will deter future members who will view the forum as cliquey and elitist.
*group hug*
C. :beers:
PS perhaps as a start get rid of this smiley .... :searchingsign: :thumbsup:
Quote from: NeMo on January 18, 2015, 11:17:10 AM
Well said. The problem with "beginners" sections is that experienced forum members tend to avoid them. So you get beginners asking other beginners, which is fine in itself, but limits the range of answers they get.
Yes, that was my concern also, but it didnt happen like that in fact the reverse happened, 'old timers' took part with enthsiasm.
Paul didnt quote that bit of me :)
I would not have posted about it / suggested it / if it had gone that way obviously !
So, I am pleased to hear of the ethos of the forum.
Perhaps next time moderation can take place when a dismissive "go search" post is made and not when us newbies let off umbridge at it ! ? So that we are not left with the feeling "oh why did we bother" thus adding to the sound of silence (/Garfunkel)
I agree with quite a lot of the posts here,if someone asks what is the difference
between X & Y track or how do I do such and such it's not helpful if someone snaps
back see post from fred from 2009. Perhaps if the subject titles were expanded to FAQs
about track, power, rolling stock etc.
The point about the search facility is that if a newcomer wants to know about
DCC for example and enters that in the search there will be hundreds of posts some
merely stating something like "I don't like DCC" or " My mate has DCC".
PS I often talk to the cloud, especially after a few pints of Spitfire....
Quote from: Tom U on January 18, 2015, 11:31:36 AM
One response I have come to detest is "google is your friend".
I use this expression myself but never as a standalone comment. Usually it is posted as a link to a list of helpful Google results I have obtained by searching, which may prompt the user into further searching :thumbsup:
Paul
Quote from: MalcolmAL on January 18, 2015, 11:41:27 AM
Perhaps next time moderation can take place when a dismissive "go search" post is made and not when us newbies let off umbridge at it ! ? So that we are not left with the feeling "oh why did we bother" thus adding to the sound of silence (/Garfunkel)
That of course depends if a Mod sees it at the time ;) We cannot read every post in every thread even between the lot of us, and there is always the 'Report to Moderator' button for anyone to use if they feel a post needs bringing to the attention of the team.
If such dismissive posts are made it's probably best to just ignore it and wait for a much more helpful reply to arrive, which it no doubt will sooner or later.
Paul
Quote from: Sprintex on January 18, 2015, 11:51:48 AM
If such dismissive posts are made it's probably best to just ignore it and wait for a much more helpful reply to arrive, which it no doubt will sooner or later.
Which is what I did, err we did, , , er, well, for some time, until we just couldnt resist any longer :)
Anyway, a whole range of views have been expressed, mostly along the lines of what we already said in the other place, steam has been let off, the forum position has been made clear,
perhaps it would be a good idea to moderate this one off as well :laugh: !
Quote from: MalcolmAL on January 18, 2015, 12:11:15 PM
Quote from: Sprintex on January 18, 2015, 11:51:48 AM
If such dismissive posts are made it's probably best to just ignore it and wait for a much more helpful reply to arrive, which it no doubt will sooner or later.
Which is what I did, err we did, , , er, well, for some time, until we just couldnt resist any longer :)
Anyway, a whole range of views have been expressed, mostly along the lines of what we already said in the other place, steam has been let off, the forum position has been made clear,
perhaps it would be a good idea to moderate this one off as well :laugh: !
No no no do not get rid of this post, it irons out all the wrinkles.
Quote from: Geoff on January 18, 2015, 12:32:15 PM
Quote from: MalcolmAL on January 18, 2015, 12:11:15 PM
:laugh: !
irons out all the wrinkles.
Maybe even all the old wrinklies as well ! lol!
Dont worry Geoff, note my bouncy laugh emoticon previously,
I hope Paul did as well.
I'm wondering whether google has been hidden in the last 12 months? Is it available on all browsers these days? I'm finding more and more I can just cut and paste questions (on lots of things) into google and -ping, all the answers are just right there in front of you!
That of course depends if a Mod sees it at the time ;) We cannot read every post in every thread even between the lot of us, and there is always the 'Report to Moderator' button for anyone to use if they feel a post needs bringing to the attention of the team.
Paul
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I did just that. I hit the report to moderator button. Re a reply on a thread. Actually it was the first reply on the thread on a question asked by a new member. I thought it was very inappropriate and did not show the forum to be a friendly happy place where new folk could ask advise.. Its not the first time that user has posted such answers either.
Im no newbie. I have been hanging around for a few years now. Whilst I have a good knowledge of model locos and related subjects I dont know everything as life is a big learning curve. So I myself am happy to ask questions that others may know the answer too. Its called sharing knowledge. Being friendly. Helping each other.
Just my two pennies worth
Jonny
Quote from: RST on February 21, 2015, 12:56:01 AM
I'm wondering whether google has been hidden in the last 12 months? Is it available on all browsers these days? I'm finding more and more I can just cut and paste questions (on lots of things) into google and -ping, all the answers are just right there in front of you!
I'm surprised that you ask this on the forum RST - I just typed "has Google been hidden in the last twelve months?" and the answer came up straight away. Remember, Google is your friend!
:searchingsign:
Cheers Jon :)
The moderating team try to move things into their correct "boxes" however, some questions invariably get repeated. The mods can't monitor everything all of the time, though we try to, hence having a "nightwatchman" here at the Antipodes!
I really can't see the problem with questions being repeated... actually, it reflects a healthy interest in the hobby, and this forum exists to nuture it.
The recycling of old questions sometimes brings up new solutions.
The important thing is it is kept on a friendly basis. :thumbsup:
George
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The important thing is it is kept on a friendly basis. :thumbsup:
George
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I SECOND THAT GEORGE
Jonny
For me, as an old timer, it is not the questions which annoy me (just ignore the ones that do) but the obvious lack of effort on the part of some questioners to find answers to their questions.
Far easier to just ask a question and let everyone else do your work. I am amazed at the number of people who need to be spoon-fed.
Some obviously haven't even read the manual or the FAQ or searched the internet.
Not as bad though as some of the advice given which does nothing to help, based on limited experience or an exaggerated sense of expertise or is totally incorrect. :censored:
CFJ
PS there are indeed stupid questions which are not unasked. Could fill a book, a very thick book.
I agree with Bealman I don't mind people asking questions that seem to be repeated a few times because sometimes there might be a newer easier answer since the last posting ,things progress so quickly that an answer a year ago might have solved a problem then but a much better solution has been thought of at a later date .
But most IMPORTANT is that we help new members who like me are not used to finding things on the forum sometimes the search dosent always come up with exactly the answer your looking for ,it's not always people being lazy.
Just my opinion.
Bob
Quote from: NinOz on February 21, 2015, 09:39:11 AM
For me, as an old timer, it is not the questions which annoy me (just ignore the ones that do) but the obvious lack of effort on the part of some questioners to find answers to their questions.
Far easier to just ask a question and let everyone else do your work. I am amazed at the number of people who need to be spoon-fed.
Some obviously haven't even read the manual or the FAQ or searched the internet.
Not as bad though as some of the advice given which does nothing to help, based on limited experience or an exaggerated sense of expertise or is totally incorrect. :censored:
CFJ
PS there are indeed stupid questions which are not unasked. Could fill a book, a very thick book.
Where you born knowing how to eat or did your mother spoon feed you???
.Not every one can understand and put into practice what they read on the net so ask on here for help in how its done in simple layman's terms
Quote from: Jonny on February 21, 2015, 09:54:33 AM
Where you born knowing how to eat or did your mother spoon feed you???
.Not every one can understand and put into practice what they read on the net so ask on here for help in how its done in simple layman's terms
First question: Yes I was, based on my mother's statements over the years. Most babies are born knowing how to eat. Using a spoon is a skill they learn.
No one is berating anyone for asking questions in general; just the same damned questions, with simple answers that are easily found with a few minutes work, appearing over and over again. This is the reason why people bother to write
Frequently
Asked
Questions.
Seeking clarification rarely raises anyone's ire as it denotes that the poster has a least made an attempt and has probably gathered some of the basics needed to understand the answer.
I will not write and tell someone to look for the answer to very common questions but I will surely label them in my mind as :censored: lazy.
For Example:
Asking how to attach flex track to a baseboard could elicit a negative response.
This question has a lot of information available in magazines, books and web sites to see the options available. To me the questioner is just too lazy to do any basic research.
Asking whether it is better to glue, nail, do both or what other fixing methods would not elicit a negative response.
Knows the options but are asking for peoples' opinions and experience to decide which one to use. This kind of open question could lead to discussions of which glues or nails are available.
BTW telling someone to do a search is trying to teach a basic skill.
CFJ
I do refer people to older posts and I put a link to the post so that it can be easier to find with one click.
The reason for this is there are some answers to 'same old' that are far better crafted then I could give, e.g. they have photos, diagrams, comprehensive explanations, etc.
Regarding 'Report to Moderator', this is the correct approach if there are any posts that you find inappropriate. All 'Report to Moderator' posts are fully investigated by the Mods.
QuoteFor me, as an old timer, it is not the questions which annoy me (just ignore the ones that do) but the obvious lack of effort on the part of some questioners to find answers to their questions.
Far easier to just ask a question and let everyone else do your work. I am amazed at the number of people who need to be spoon-fed.
That's the nail on the head point I was badly trying to make. Never, ever has it been so easy to find the answer to almost anything yet it seems inversely proportional to the ability to look for it. I'm not old (just the under side of 40), but I don't find it age or gender specific. I love forums, always join them and usually always ask daft questions at the start, but always always after searching first. But I'm finding it more and more often that forums are used as a lazy option these days. When I find it easier / quicker to just cut and past the question into google to look it up myself (and get a perfect answer) rather than spend the time typing an answer, that's when I don't post back -I suspect I'm
not alone in that respect but appreciate it doesn't help anyone.
...Sorry, I'm not having a dig on her per se, it's common on allot of forums these days. The purpose of forums seems to me to be slowly being dumbed down.
Surely this (and other) online forums are the equivalent of a clubhouse environment. if you had walked into a club as a comparative "newbee" with little knowledge and not necessarily able to ask the right questions and had then been referred to the library would you feel included or excluded?
Every year high schools have a new intake which need to be nurtured. I assume that a number of "experts" here believe that these students should be pointed to the library on the grounds that the instructor has covered these questions before.
People come here asking for guidance and assistance and I for one will always be willing to share whatever knowledge I have been able to accumulate.
I shudder to think that ANY one of you goes to a GP who thinks that you should have Googled your symptoms before you ever thought to "waste" their time.
An extreme example perhaps, but we were ALL ignorant at some point in our various educations.
Rant over. Be nice to each other!
Steve
We seem to have an issue with some complaining about the same old questions being repeated by newcomers to the hobby. No doubt many questions regarding basic elements of the hobby are being asked over and over to the annoyance of some. Several points can be made here most of which have been made already:
1) Those that don't like the questions being asked can skip over them and move to the next topic
2) Do the old-timers really want to raise the drawbridge on the newbies and restrict the forum to those who already have the answers to life, the universe and everything?
3) There are profoundly different levels of internet comfort and what seem to be obviously researchable questions for some may not be so easy for all.
4) Most of the questions that are asked do not have an unequivocal answer and can still benefit from further insights and discussion
I am a newbie to this forum, but I'm not a newbie to N scale by a long way. To know what sensible questions to ask takes a certain basic knowledge of the subject and some people who are truly new to the hobby might need some help to get this leg up. Do we help them out or not?
Ian
We most certainly do... and referring to the title of this thread, this one seems to be going over the same old stuff it kicked off with, as Webbo points out.... so, same old, same old.
Also, as Griffo suggests, let's be nice to each other, something I posted back on Feb 21. By the way, Griffo, I think your analogy of a forum to a clubhouse environment is spot on. :thumbsup:
We ARE the friendly forum, and I think it's one of the reasons our membership continues to grow. No question is too silly here.
George
I find it strange that some equate "same old same old" questions with being a newbie, greater chance perhaps but not restricted.
And how did it divert to "sensible questions" from talking about repeated questions. Aren't necessarily the same.
"Raising the drawbridge on newbies? Do we help them or not?"
Pulling a long bow are we not or just getting hysterical.
Yes, I do look up symptons on the web so I know what the options may be and understand what the doctor is talking about and can discuss it with him/her. Some doctors are uninformed about some things others just incompetent. Some good stories one can tell. :)
I just ignore the questions for which answers are easily searched; anyway there will always be someone eager to display their expertise along in a tick. ::)
CFJ
I think a nice cold shower might be in order for all. Can we start again with this please.
Ian
Yes people can google, and yes they may find answers. But maybe we prefer to garner opinions of the membership based on their experience.
An example would be electrorfrog points. You could google that and find something that tells you to cut the rails, but the experience of many on here and other forums would tell you that you don't actually need to do that. Putting "Wiring points" into the search box elicits 19 pages of hits. 19!, so perhaps we should forgive newbies from choosing an easier option?
Maybe some people are "lazy", but you don't know that for sure, you don't know other peoples circumstances, so let's give everybody the benefit of the doubt, shall we? We were all beginners once.
The "lazy" tag could quite easily be applied to someone who instead of answering the question says "do a google search."
This is why I'm not a member of any clubs, because there are always members in every single club, who were born with all their knowledge and never asked a basic question.
If the forum is like a clubhouse environment does that mean members have
to wear a blazer and tie , and denims and women are not allowed in the bar.... :D
Must keep up standards old boy!
Well I hope not..... that would exclude some of some of our best modellers!
As for the blazer and tie..... I used ta lick road clay off road, lad.
I was always taught it costs nothing to be polite, and carry that over to anyone (newbie or not) asking questions as I'm happy to share my 35 years or so experiences in N gauge, be they good, bad or ugly, in the hope it helps someone - even to avoid similar errors I may have made :-[
It can be something simple like where to get the best price for items but in the main I just want to help others save time and money and maybe, just maybe, show there are different ways of doing things. Only be getting a range of replies can someone make an informed decision, especially when it comes to product reviews.
Sorry, but if someone is not prepared to provide help and advice then I really don't know why they are on this forum :hmmm:
Quote from: Agrippa on February 26, 2015, 09:38:54 AM
and women are not allowed in the bar....
Considering two of the "Club committee" are women I can't see that policy being upheld ;)
Paul
:laughabovepost: :laughabovepost:
I love this forum. I crack up at bedtime here in Oz and chortle meself to sleep. ;)
Quote from: Bealman on February 26, 2015, 10:27:52 AM
Well I hope not..... that would exclude some of some of our best modellers!
As for the blazer and tie..... I used ta lick road clay off road, lad.
Luxury!
Quote from: newportnobby on February 26, 2015, 10:31:08 AM
I was always taught it costs nothing to be polite, and carry that over to anyone (newbie or not) asking questions as I'm happy to share my 35 years or so experiences in N gauge, be they good, bad or ugly, in the hope it helps someone - even to avoid similar errors I may have made :-[
It can be something simple like where to get the best price for items but in the main I just want to help others save time and money and maybe, just maybe, show there are different ways of doing things. Only be getting a range of replies can someone make an informed decision, especially when it comes to product reviews.
Sorry, but if someone is not prepared to provide help and advice then I really don't know why they are on this forum :hmmm:
Exactly!!
Quote from: newportnobby on February 26, 2015, 10:31:08 AM
Sorry, but if someone is not prepared to provide help and advice then I really don't know why they are on this forum :hmmm:
Sad if this is the reason you are here then. I come to learn, discuss, provide input where I feel it is of value, hopefully on topic and keep up to date on the wonderful world of N. I do not feel it is compulsory to provide help and advice nor a good reason to be a member as it presupposes that you know what you are talking about. As I have stated; an expert will be along any minute now. ::)
It is these kind of statements which people throw into a discussion which are entirely unhelp as there was no prior discussion of anyone refusing to help anyone else with anything, yet here we have a statement which would suggest that was the case.
I thought it was about the same old questions appearing again and again rather than someone looking for a solution and knowledge first before the lazy option of a quick question. In the time it took to type the question he /she could have done a search, after all they are on the internet.
If people wish to provide easy answers (hopefully right ones) rather than try to get others to use the web search function then go for it. It is in line with teaching a man to fish rather than just giving him the next fish meal. I choose not to be an enabler.
CFJ
There are certainly dumb and stupid questions asked in this world, don't let the PC people tell you otherwise.
What the heck?
Lighten up, man, you live in Australia!
Quote from: NinOz on February 26, 2015, 11:22:44 AM
Quote from: newportnobby on February 26, 2015, 10:31:08 AM
Sorry, but if someone is not prepared to provide help and advice then I really don't know why they are on this forum :hmmm:
I do not feel it is compulsory to provide help and advice nor a good reason to be a member as it presupposes that you know what you are talking about.
I would counter that statement by saying that if you do know what you're talking about, or have a suggestion that may help, then it is compulsory to provide help. In all walks of life. It's part of what makes us good citizens. I suspect you won't agree, and that's fine.
Quote from: NinOz on February 26, 2015, 11:22:44 AM
Quote from: newportnobby on February 26, 2015, 10:31:08 AM
Sorry, but if someone is not prepared to provide help and advice then I really don't know why they are on this forum :hmmm:
Sad if this is the reason you are here then. I come to learn, discuss, provide input where I feel it is of value, hopefully on topic and keep up to date on the wonderful world of N.
If you come here to learn, how are you going to do that if folks don't answer questions?
Quote from: NinOz on February 26, 2015, 11:22:44 AM
It is these kind of statements which people throw into a discussion which are entirely unhelp as there was no prior discussion of anyone refusing to help anyone else with anything, yet here we have a statement which would suggest that was the case.
It's not a case of refusing help but some are noting that a 'simple' question is being answered with a 'simple' answer such as "Google it" or "use the Search button" which, to me, is not going out of your way to be helpful.
Note the word 'helpful' rather than 'unhelp' - see, I've been helpful to you this morning ;)
I think anyone opening a box of N gauge railway stuff for the first time is going to be stumped at some point, I ask why is it dumb or stupid to ask the same question that has been asked before, OK they might not have in there sight the search button and might just want to ask there question in there own way, well that is fine by me and I would think it is fine by a majority of the members on here, if any member does not want to read that post that is fine and carry onto one that is interesting to them, but please lets not chastise anyone asking any question on any N Gauge matters.
That is my tuppence worth.
Where is the door I will be back tomorrow. :NGaugersRule:
Quote from: Bealman on February 26, 2015, 11:26:47 AM
What the heck?
Lighten up, man, you live in Australia!
Qld, Bealman. We take life more seriously. Just can't stand people who bring misinterpretation of what has been said or written. A few seem to be habitual offenders.
Typing in between burning my fingers soldering some bus distribtion boards.
CFJ
You could Google *every* question ever asked on here and, somewhere on the internet, you'll find an answer.
So if 'Google it' is the answer anyone is offering to an old/simple/daft question, we may as well pack up with this forum; what purpose does it serve??
I joined this forum because you *can* ask dumb questions and get a helpful answer.
It's like walking down the street and someone says, "G'day, mate" and you think "Aw, I won't bother replying 'cos I've been asked that ten times already this morning."
I'm a Durham lad through and through, but even when I lived there, we did not have a problem answering a question from a newcomer to the area. Same here in Australia.
There's no diff. The real diff is not geographical or local customs....it's about how to build a good N gauge model railway.
We are the friendly forum and no question is redundant. :thumbsup:
George
You could Google *every* question ever asked on here and, somewhere on the internet, you'll find an answer.
So if 'Google it' is the answer anyone is offering to an old/simple/daft question, we may as well pack up with this forum; what purpose does it serve??
I joined this forum because you *can* ask dumb questions and get a helpful answer.
=========
Why the hell do people use daft extremes to try to push a point.
1. Someone who thinks the forum exists to only answer questions, don't need a forum just a help line in that case. What about questions which are not old/simple/daft or don't people ask those on this forum? I thought they did, probably wrong I guess.
Personally I find the forum most useful when people post reviews, what they are doing, how to, news, problems and solutions, hints and tips, links; questions not so much but still can lead to useful info. Perhaps this could be the purpose of the forum?
2. Someone who posts about non-internet related interactions. Totally weird.
3. Someone who thinks we must educate the world. Sorry life is too short.
4. People who take a point about repetitive questions and conclude that includes all questions.
5. People who take a point about repetitive questions and think this implies a ban on newbies.
I give up. :laugh3:
Regards,
CFJ
Thread has become too sanctimonious and preachy.
I've had more entertainment reading Accountancy Age or Practical Embalming.
Remember :-
Give a man a fish and you'll feed his family for a day.
Teach him to fish and he'll feed his family for a week.
Give him a fishing boat and he'll sit on it with his mates
and get bevvied....
Quote from: Only Me on February 26, 2015, 12:44:34 PM
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:laughabovepost: With all those bubbles in the water I hope its not a 'Blazing Saddles' moment :-[
Quote from: NinOz on February 26, 2015, 12:39:19 PM
3. Someone who thinks we must educate the world. Sorry life is too short.
.....clearly not a 'daft extreme to make a point'
Quote from: Jack on February 26, 2015, 01:12:00 PM
:laughabovepost: With all those bubbles in the water I hope its not a 'Blazing Saddles' moment :-[
Why not, after all "Blazing Saddles " was a railroad based movie!
I'm going off topic, also off snickers, off mars bars......
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Think this has run its course and will probably degenerate into absurdity, thanks all for your input. I for one and as most of the kind members do on here, will always help where I can, that's what this forum is all about, a support group for N gauger's both new and experienced.