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Roger
Not really. 1.009 litres @£1.239 per litre comes out as £1.25015. 9/1000 of a litre costs more than a penny but pump only displays to 1/100 of a litre. Been there, done it with Trading Standards.
We get these kind of things all the time
A petrol pump can round UP or DOWN by up to 2p once the nozzle has been replaced AND the pump switched off
It used to be 1p but as the price has increased so has the tolerance
Far better to test/prove the accusation by doing the check at 10 litres.
Typical faecesbook scaremongering.
Quote from: mjkerr on November 27, 2014, 07:30:35 PM
We get these kind of things all the time
A petrol pump can round UP or DOWN by up to 2p once the nozzle has been replaced AND the pump switched off
It used to be 1p but as the price has increased so has the tolerance
Hi
Is that why I can never seem to manage to put exact £s in the car these days since all the pumps were upgraded.
Cheers
Paul
Quote from: Dorsetmike on November 27, 2014, 07:32:37 PM
Far better to test/prove the accusation by doing the check at 10 litres
Trading Standards perform three checks; 5 litres, 10 litres and 25 litres
They would reject any claim under 2 litres, as this is the legal minimum to be dispensed
Quote from: PaulCheffus on November 27, 2014, 09:38:54 PMIs that why I can never seem to manage to put exact £s in the car these days since all the pumps were upgraded
Partially, but I don't see what a pump upgrade would have to do with it
The tolerance is related to the fuel price but now that it has exceeded £1.00 per litre the variance has as well
The main issue now is that a small amount of fuel is 0.4p and so the rounding up / down is more likely to occur
Ironically, I fill my car based on portions of the fuel tank and have never had any issue
Quote from: mjkerr on November 28, 2014, 06:35:56 AM
Quote from: Dorsetmike on November 27, 2014, 07:32:37 PM
Far better to test/prove the accusation by doing the check at 10 litres
Trading Standards perform three checks; 5 litres, 10 litres and 25 litres
They would reject any claim under 2 litres, as this is the legal minimum to be dispensed
Quote from: PaulCheffus on November 27, 2014, 09:38:54 PMIs that why I can never seem to manage to put exact £s in the car these days since all the pumps were upgraded
Partially, but I don't see what a pump upgrade would have to do with it
The tolerance is related to the fuel price but now that it has exceeded £1.00 per litre the variance has as well
The main issue now is that a small amount of fuel is 0.4p and so the rounding up / down is more likely to occur
Ironically, I fill my car based on portions of the fuel tank and have never had any issue
Hi
I only mentioned the pumps as we have two garages in our town one had their pumps replaced around a year ago, the other quite recently. Before the upgrade I could always manage to get exact £s from the second garage.
Cheers
Paul
Newer pumps have a faster flow rate, (so you can fill up the tanks of the :censored: 4x4s everyone drives quicker) so it takes more skill and quicker reactions to stop at a specific quantity or value. That is probably the main reason why you can't stop at round £s...
I myself have a vehicle with an 18 gallon tank. I either top it up once a month or when it reaches
1/2 a tank. That's anything up to £49 pound a time :-X
Roger
Quote from: PLD on November 28, 2014, 07:50:16 AM
Newer pumps have a faster flow rate, (so you can fill up the tanks of the :censored: 4x4s everyone drives quicker)
Excuse me but 4x4s can be a very important vehicle to those of us living out in the sticks. During Winter (and
also when there is some flooding) I have been able to get around when you :censored: 2x4 drivers are slip-sliding into 1' tall snowdrifts or flooding engines in 6" of water ... ! Not to mention getting around in proper deep snow or water.
Quoteso it takes more skill and quicker reactions to stop at a specific quantity or value. That is probably the main reason why you can't stop at round £s...
Can't say I have many problems stopping at whole pounds; maybe it's because I watch what I'm doing, slow down from about the 50p and trickle it from the 90p ... ?
Quote from: MikeDunn on November 28, 2014, 09:22:39 AM
Quote from: PLD on November 28, 2014, 07:50:16 AM
Newer pumps have a faster flow rate, (so you can fill up the tanks of the :censored: 4x4s everyone drives quicker)
Excuse me but 4x4s can be a very important vehicle to those of us living out in the sticks. During Winter (and also when there is some flooding) I have been able to get around when you :censored: 2x4 drivers are slip-sliding into 1' tall snowdrifts or flooding engines in 6" of water ... ! Not to mention getting around in proper deep snow or water.
Have you had the same as me "Bloody 4x4 gas guzzlers" all the time - until the heavy snow comes :) then
everybody is your 'best friend' because when you go shopping they nearly always ask if you can pick up or
get them something 'while your at it/out' ;)
Roger
Can you tell :laughabovepost:
Quote from: MikeDunn on November 28, 2014, 09:22:39 AM
Can't say I have many problems stopping at whole pounds; maybe it's because I watch what I'm doing, slow down from about the 50p and trickle it from the 90p ... ?
Hi
Yep tried that and it always goes from .99 to .01
Cheers
Paul
Most of the Pumps I use in Oz have the option of selecting the value you wish to fill to. ie you can enter $30 if that's all you want and the pump slows downs and stops smack on the money.
No quicjk reactions needed - just as well with age.
Quote4x4s can be a very important vehicle to those of us living out in the sticks.
That's what they're made for, not for the quarter mile each way school run and maybe half mile Tesco trip, and the only time they go off road is when they park on the pavement!
Most of them qualify for the "Chelsea Tractor" title.
It should be an essential part of the sale that a proof of frequent need for off road performance is required.
As for things like the Porsche Carrera Turbo, you only need one of them if the school run is less than 200yards and you only have one kid, if you live over a mile from the school and have at least 3 kids, then a Ford Fester is more than adequate.
Quote from: Dorsetmike on November 28, 2014, 11:20:04 AM
Quote4x4s can be a very important vehicle to those of us living out in the sticks.
It should be an essential part of the sale that a proof of frequent need for off road performance is required.
Why?? They don't ask you to run, before you buy a pair of trainers at JD Sports..............
Quote from: FeelixTC on November 28, 2014, 11:24:08 AM
Why?? They don't ask you to run, before you buy a pair of trainers at JD Sports..............
No, but the should
Quote from: Dorsetmike on November 28, 2014, 11:20:04 AM
That's what they're made for, not for the quarter mile each way school run and maybe half mile Tesco trip, and the only time they go off road is when they park on the pavement!
Most of them qualify for the "Chelsea Tractor" title.
It's the cited reason behind driving a large 4x4 that some of the parents have that bothers me. Usually it's "because it's safer for my precious child" - true, but how is that parent going to feel if they are unfortunate enough to T-bone that Ford Fiesta with three kids in and kill the occupants where a smaller car would have just caused damage and minor injuries? :hmmm:
Fair enough if you need the traction, ground clearance, towing-weight, etc of a 4x4 as there is clearly a need for them, and mostly you find that those that DO need them are the ones that drive them accordingly :thumbsup:
Paul
I always thought John Terry was the original "Chelsea tractor", if he ran into you
you'd get a few dents and scrapes.... :D
Must be something to do with sport I'm guessing since I've no idea who he is ;D
Paul
Quote from: Agrippa on November 28, 2014, 12:56:07 PM
I always thought John Terry was the original "Chelsea tractor", if he ran into you
you'd get a few dents and scrapes.... :D
No that was "Chopper" Harris but now we're going :offtopicsign:
Getting back on original topic - I am a retired Trading Standards Officer (cover blown now), and can assure you all that the pump does not lie (just tells little fibs). When testing pumps, using certified measures, we have to put the exact amount in, and can do it quite easily, as we are in no rush, and use the nozzle at slow speeds as the measure reaches the marked graduation. Most drivers fill at full nozzle speed, until the nozzle "clicks", and then try to put more in. The gentle squeeze is a knack to be learnt! As the pump is running full chat, the hose tends to dilate when the nozzle clicks, and that is why some find they cannot get the pump to stop at the exact point they want. It is best to fill the tank slowly, to avoid this happening and, (believe it or not) slow deliveries usually give slight over measure, which is why we test both fast and slow deliveries.
Quote from: Kipper on November 28, 2014, 09:03:22 PM
Getting back on original topic - I am a retired Trading Standards Officer (cover blown now), and can assure you all that the pump does not lie (just tells little fibs). When testing pumps, using certified measures, we have to put the exact amount in, and can do it quite easily, as we are in no rush, and use the nozzle at slow speeds as the measure reaches the marked graduation. Most drivers fill at full nozzle speed, until the nozzle "clicks", and then try to put more in. The gentle squeeze is a knack to be learnt! As the pump is running full chat, the hose tends to dilate when the nozzle clicks, and that is why some find they cannot get the pump to stop at the exact point they want. It is best to fill the tank slowly, to avoid this happening and, (believe it or not) slow deliveries usually give slight over measure, which is why we test both fast and slow deliveries.
And, as a retired service station manager, .... what he says!
While we are on the subject of fuel/petrol prices. Over the last three months the benchmark price
of oil 'Brent Crude' has dropped from $118.40 per barrel to $78.42 per barrel. Has anyone seen a
real drop in fuel prices in proportion to the actual base cost :-\
Allowing for the fixed duty rate and VAT, we should (if the drop is passed on) be paying at the pumps
109.9p per Ltr. That's not allowing for 'promotional' price reductions by the garage/outlet.
Roger
Petrol station in Sutton Road, Huthwaite (Notts), just off J28 of the M1, is selling unleaded at £117.9/litre. Anyone on the motorway would do well to divert off a coupe of miles. Not a mainstream brand, but still fuel, and works in my car OK!
Quote from: Oldun on November 29, 2014, 02:11:01 AMOver the last three months the benchmark price
of oil 'Brent Crude' has dropped from $118.40 per barrel to $78.42 per barrel.
We received our latest delivery yesterday
Unleaded was at the cost price of £1.13 per litre, Diesel was at the cost price of £1.19, based on the cost price of 11 November
We then put our unleaded and diesel prices down 2p per litre, £1.18 and £1.20, which rarely put us to the same price as our two marker sites (Asda and Tesco)
Deliveries can be anything between 6 and 28 days behind the cost price, as stock is consumed
It tends to be longer at the beginning of winter
Quote from: mjkerr on December 01, 2014, 12:51:57 PM
Deliveries can be anything between 6 and 28 days behind the cost price, as stock is consumed
It tends to be longer at the beginning of winter
I agree, the lower price of the base product is slow in manifesting itself as it filters through the system.
The bit that makes me and others think/know there is a fiddle going on with the oil companies is the
immediate rise in the fuel we buy as and when the base price increases :veryangry:
Roger
thank you all for paying the extra - and subsudising my bus pass :D
the car has been off the road sorn for 10 year and I have 2 galls (10ltr) of 4 star - one in metal ready can and the other in plastic ready can , the metal can is still full but the plastic can is half full both caps are tight - even left both cans upside down for a couple of weeks - but not leaking , so the plastic can must be porous .
Alan
Quote from: mr bachmann on December 01, 2014, 08:43:06 PM
the car has been off the road sorn for 10 year and I have 2 galls (10ltr) of 4 star - one in metal ready can and the other in plastic ready can , the metal can is still full but the plastic can is half full both caps are tight - even left both cans upside down for a couple of weeks - but not leaking , so the plastic can must be porous .
You are correct Alan, plastic is porous but, it takes so long you don't actually notice it over a short period of time.
Over 10 years as you say it did show.
Roger
And yogurt pots will dissolve on contact with petrol - as i found, many years ago, when cleaning my Ford Consul carburettor, and trying to save the small amount of fuel in it!